No Time To Die- Reviews with SPOILERS

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  • LoeffelholzLoeffelholz The United States, With LovePosts: 8,898Quartermasters

    I would hope that such a thing might be renegotiable after all these years, if effectively pitched to the Estate. I agree that the novel itself gets quite good once Bond is on the scene.

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  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 18,323MI6 Agent
    edited October 12

    Can really a story about a young woman in a cabin with some brutes who gets saved by a surprise guest be copyright protected? It's a very basic story. I imagine one can change the names (other than James Bond), the location and the dialoge and you're home free. You can probably guess I'm not a copyright expert ....

  • Glidrose007Glidrose007 Posts: 31MI6 Agent


    Totally. They have disregarded Fleming rapidly with the past 3 films, and instead retconned it and given us `Fleming reimagined' garbage instead. Bond's family home, Kincaid, Blofeld being Bond's brother, and now Bond knowing he has a daughter, and then dying.

    Babs has always quoted her father as saying `whenever in doubt, go back to Fleming'. If this is what she thinks is `going back to Fleming' she clearly needs to step down and let someone else take over the reigns at the top.

  • James SuzukiJames Suzuki New ZealandPosts: 2,400MI6 Agent
    edited October 12

    NO TIME TO DIE REVIEW

    No time to die, the 25th official Bond film, arriving into cinemas just shy of the film series 60th anniversary, was a blast from start to finish revealing a perfect marriage between the series popular tropes and ideas mixed in with the recent film’s tendencies towards deconstruction, character, and continuity. 

    Daniel Craig’s offers his best performance as James Bond, playing the character on all possible levels of emotion, in which I don’t think any other Bond actor has done before him. He plays relaxed Bond, dangerous Bond, angry Bond, furious Bond, fully-in-love Bond and subdued to his fate Bond. You get the idea. Having watched Craig’s four Bond films before No Time To Die, I really was impressed with the progression in his character. In Caisno Royale he’s cocky and arrogant. Here, he comes across as a little humbler, and wiser. (Though he does insist on Nomi calling him Commander Bond which was both funny and a nice callback to Bond’s often neglected Naval background).

    Now I was in the minority of people who appreciated Lea Seydoux’s performance of Madeline in Spectre. I found the conflict concerning her father something new and fresh in the Bond series, and I also appreciated the fact that they made Bond’s next great love not a carbon copy of Vesper. While Vesper had the quips and the self-assurance, Madeline seemed far more world-weary and closed off. Quite like Bond himself in that regard. Yet in this film, she carries a huge amount of the emotional weight in the movie. I totally believe her as a character, I believe her and Bond’s romance. The flashback showing a young Madeline shoot Safin was a thrilling opening.

    I liked Nomi a lot more than I thought I would. She was sassy and funny, and appreciated her insecurity as a character. Made her more sympathetic. (her “time to die” line was a bit too cheesy for me). It also helped that they dressed her like Sir Roger Moore. 

    Felix was the best he’s been since License to Kill. I truly believed his friendship with Bond, and some of his quips made me laugh out loud (“I don’t think Ash is on our side”). His death was abrupt, I don’t mind it, I just wished he was in the film a little more beforehand to make it more impactful.

    Paloma was a lot of fun. And they were clever to leave us wanting more from her character. And hopefully she will be a sign of the sort of tone they will take the Bond films next with the new guy in the tux.

    As far as the MI6 crew go. Moneypenny seemed much closer to Maxwell here. Full of warmth and fun. Loved seeing her and Bond sipping wine at Q’s apartment. M was angry and morally dubious. Which I appreciated. Q was Q. I can almost see him aging into Desmond’s character! Also the idea of Bond bunking at Q’s place in London is hilarious. And Bill Tanner, alas the most forgotten member of the crew, provided some nice lines of dialogue (mad as a bag of bees) and seemed to be good friends with Bond like in the books

    I appreciated Blofeld in this, that they brought him back, and found him as menacing as ever. And Bond snapping and starting to strangle him was very much like You Only Live Twice the novel. Just wished they kept him from the trailers. His death scene, although perfect at conveying the weapon the MI6 crew were up against, did seem a bit flippant. 

    It felt like a deliberate choice to make Safin mysterious and slight. Like a horror character in many ways rather than a cat-stroking Bond villain. We get his presence, we get him obsessed with Madeline, and poisoning Bond and wanting revenge on Spectre, but we don’t get a proper reason for the virus except for “people want oblivion.” Which, I don’t know, maybe I’m just too busy enjoying the cake they’re giving me, but I accept that. There comes a point when the lust for power isn’t rational. How many people would launch a nuke just because they could? Probably more people than who would like to admit. And that explains why Safin let’s Mathilde go. He was only using her to threaten Bond, and to show power over him by threatening his daughter. He had no use for her after that.

    Now I’m a John Barry fan through and through, and I also believe that David Arnold is the natural successor to Barry and should do as many Bond scores as possible. Sign him up for the next ten films! Yet I appreciate other composer’s work on the series such as Bill Conti’s masterfully 80’s score for For Your Eyes Only, and Kamen’s thrilling score for License to Kill. How can I forget George Martin’s funky score for Live and Let Die. And I am pleased to say that I am sure Hans Zimmer will be remembered for a truly terrific score, full of the best of what Zimmer is known for: that is big cinematic sounds with a heartbeat pulse in the action sequences. Yet he also incorporates Barry’s lush strings such as in Matera and Arnold’s brass in the action scenes. The reintroduction of the Majesty’s theme and We Have All the Time in the World I love because they’re not only fan-pleasing, but they work within their respective scenes. It’s also so nice to hear Barry’s music on the big screen again and to see his name in the credits. Zimmer’s stirring, filthy Bond riff he uses in a few tracks are greatly appreciated also (It plays in Square Escape, Cuba Chase and Opening The Doors whenever Bond does something truly Bondian). But I also really appreciate how he weaved in Billie Eillish’s title song throughout the film, not just in once occasion, and its done in masterful fashion making it both romantic and heroic.

    All in all, No Time To Die was a stellar ending to Craig’s tenure yet controversial. It all depends on the fan being able to come to terms with two rather large pills, which I won’t deny, are difficult to swallow. One, Bond becoming a family man. Two, Bond dying at the end. As far as Bond becoming a family man, I buy it. From Bond chopping up that apple to his daughter, to him tying his jersey around her neck, I’m there, believing it. The reason why the relationship and Bond’s death works, is because Seydoux and Craig sell it. Fukanaga’s directing gives them the time in front of the camera and they bring their aim game. 

    As far as Bond’s death goes: I think it really shows them understanding the Fleming character, and the fact that Bond is ultimately a tragic man, who can never be happy for long because he’s a spy and he’s not just any old spy, he’s a 00. And in the words of Bond himself in Casino Royale, 00’s have a very short life expectancy. I do think when they recast Bond and move back to a Brosnan type feel, some fans who struggle with the ending will relax a bit more. After I saw the film in the cinema I got talking to someone who was quite sad by the ending. I told him about those four little words at the end of the credits and he relaxed and became quite calm. Indeed, Daniel Craig will not come back to the role but James Bond Will Return!

    “The scent and smoke and sweat of a casino are nauseating at three in the morning. "
    -Casino Royale, Ian Fleming
  • chrisno1chrisno1 LondonPosts: 1,366MI6 Agent

    @James Suzuki thanks James, always good to read your opinions.

    I don't agree with much, but I do agree with you re: Lea Seydoux, she's much underrated on this forum and I think that's because she compares unfavourably with the sassy, mouthy, all action girls we've had through Craig's reign. I say unfavourably, what I mean is she's more of an intellectual presence, more the traditional damsel even if she's fundamental to both movies. I think she's very good with Craig, but I also see her role as underdeveloped both times. Curiously when I look back at my one view of NTTD, the sequence which harbours most emotion is the pensive, cloying, uncertain discussion Bond and Madeleine have in the hotel at Matera. Burning those secrets was the moment their lives were going to open up. It was a well directed and performed moment if quiet in very busy film.

  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 18,323MI6 Agent

    I agree on Madeleine too. She should've been given a scene or two more in SP to flesh out the character and her relationship to Bond, but Madeleine is underrated. NTTD did a lot to help the character and I think Lea Seydoux was glad to return in the role.

  • urhashurhash USPosts: 942MI6 Agent

    The movie didn't quite work for me. I quite enjoyed the first 2/3rds or so and the action was well crafted and suspenseful. Overall though I felt like it was too much for one film. Killing Felix, killing Bond, killing Blofeld, Bond having a daughter, etc. I mean, if every Bond film could be distilled to "the one where ____", then this would have too many to name.

  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 9,277MI6 Agent

    Yeah, but there's one big 'the one where....' you haven't mentioned @urhash - you didn't walk out before the end did you!

    That said, in terms of look and theme you may be right, the idea where it could be 'the one in Japan' or 'the one with the underwater car' or 'the one with Grace Jones and the Eiffel Tower' - they are arguably long gone, there's a lot going on these days.

    "This is where we leave you Mr Bond."

    Roger Moore 1927-2017
  • MarkOOMarkMarkOOMark Posts: 91MI6 Agent


    I 100% agree with your thoughts. This was the perfect end for DC's tenure, and I loved every minute of it.

    I'm delighted the red faced 'gammons' can't stand this film... Their time is over, never to return.

  • James SuzukiJames Suzuki New ZealandPosts: 2,400MI6 Agent

    Thanks Chrisno1, means a lot coming from you. I've always appreciated your well-written reviews, especially your novel reviews. I'm glad we both agree on Lea Seydoux.

    I think she's in my top 5 best Bond Girls now.

    “The scent and smoke and sweat of a casino are nauseating at three in the morning. "
    -Casino Royale, Ian Fleming
  • LexiLexi LondonPosts: 3,000MI6 Agent
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  • JKingJKing LondonPosts: 8MI6 Agent

    Watch again for an exceptional Bond movie

    I was frustrated and in angry disbelief when it became clear they were about to kill off Bond, our Bond. I knew I had witnessed some incredible moments during the film but this was a deal breaker. Most seemed to agree from their initial reviews.

    Nonetheless I heard other Bond fans profess the utility of a second viewing so I went again to see what all of the hype was about. I’ve now seen it three times and am convinced this is a fantastic Bond movie- although not perfect.

    Analysing my reaction and disappointment after the first viewing, I now accept it was more than disbelief. It was a perhaps a validly held concern about the future of the longest running franchise in movie history- despite the promise Bond would return. During a time when nothing historic or of cultural relevance is fashionably allowed to be celebrated, I have sympathy for those stubbornly remaining in this camp. 

    But surely similar sentiments must have been felt by the audience back in 1969 after they watched the latest Bond instalment end in heartbreak? ‘This isn’t a Bond movie’ they would have said. Yet Bond continued, rebooted, refreshed and revitalised with Live and Let Die. Diamonds didn’t happen..   

    Watching the movie again forces you to evaluate the experience in its own right. 

    The direction is perhaps the best of any Bond movie and I believe is a key factor in how a nearly 3 hour movie feels like it flies by. Special mention to  Cary for providing the most kickass action scenes in Bond history. 

    I challenge you to name a movie in the franchise with better acting by our lead and the main Bond girl, perhaps only Casino Royale could be seriously viewed as a rival in this regard. 

    Rami Malek is exceptional and haunting for every moment he’s on screen. Albeit a trick was clearly missed with the specific nature of Safin’s plan not disclosed, nor any seeming particular motivation. Perhaps that would pass in a fun Bond film focussed on gags and action, but not in this quasi horror/thriller/love story. 

    Repeat viewings also settle the case that Zimmer’s soundtrack holds up to scrutiny.  Somehow even Noemie becomes less unbearable. She is entirely unnecessary to the plot and feels like a last minute add-on to an already completed story. At the same time I’m left not caring all that much after a third viewing. 

    We are also saturated with references to movie and literary Bond, enough to satisfy any obsessed Bond fan. 

    Beyond the undercooked villain plot, the biggest fault is clearly the scant disregard for any semblance of continuity. We all know it can’t possibly be the ‘same’ Bond since the 60s, but literally killing off the character takes some coming back from and I’m honestly concerned for how they will possibly bring back a ‘classic’ Bond, although I have faith they will.

    It also must be said that killing off Bond is quite easy (albeit daring) and doesn’t exactly require much creativity. A true one trick pony. 

    Repeat viewing transforms your experience of this movie. As will I believe, the subsequent reboot getting back to classic Bond, allowing us to enjoy this heart wrenching but magnificent movie in its own right in full knowledge that our licensed troubleshooter returned.

  • ChicoChico Posts: 14MI6 Agent

    I remember a question being asked to Daniel in a press junket if his movies before NTTD are now prequels. He said sure, yes.

    Now I will see the past movies in a new light, a pre Bond not yet a complete man as the one we see in NTTD, but a great yet compassionate soldier when the time called for it.

    That may be what he wanted, a flawed human being who’s only torture was not sacrificing himself enough for something bigger than him. And each movie was a progression to that excellence.

    Definitely going to get a Steelbook Blu-ray Collection of the Daniel Craig era and watch them again. If anyone has insight on any pre release, let us know in the chat.

  • Glidrose007Glidrose007 Posts: 31MI6 Agent
    edited October 13

    When you say red faced gammons, are you referring to die hard Fleming fans?

  • Jflynn2112Jflynn2112 Posts: 64MI6 Agent

    Surely the advantage of having such a vast movie franchise is that it gives you scope to try out new ideas. Like Bond dying at the end of a story?

  • ClassicBondFanClassicBondFan Posts: 6MI6 Agent

    Spoilers

    You can count me as one those traditional Bond fans who hated the ending of it. My username was created in protest of the ending.

    Craig’s Bond deviated so much from the classic Bond formula, and it was hard to accept that Casino Royale, despite it being a good film, and especially when I saw it yesterday.

    I drove back from the theater just numb inside, just empty. I went in without spoilers. They sure surprised and evoked emotion in me, to which I congratulate them on that.

    I disagree with the people who say Bond isn’t a superhero. He’s not a superhero in the Marvel sense, like Avengers, per se, but saving the world and overcoming the odds after adversity and vulnerability is the Bond we all love.

    Much of the movie was good and enjoyable. I noticed recycled materials from past Bond films, which I enjoyed. An unpopular opinion was I enjoyed the title song and the opening credits. It gave me goosebumps.

    I didn’t like the gunbarrel except it was at the beginning of the movie. Another unpopular opinion is I would probably call Spectre my favorite of Craig’s movies because that was the closest we got to traditional Bomd, in my opinion. That includes the gunbarrel, which may have had the gun visible, but I’ll take it.

    If Bond dying was a condition of Craig coming back, then I would rather have just had a recast. Thank you for some great moments and performances, but it would’ve been time to move on.

    Sure, things are going to be more technologically advanced, plots may be more sophisticated, but Bond movies had the same formula more or less for 40 years. They made it work all of that time.

    Now, since were likely to get another reboot after the 2006 reboot, I just don’t know anymore. I personally like the standalone movies. One thing I didn’t like about Spectre was bringing back Blofeld and making him Bond’s brother. I’ll take new characters with new adventures, please. I’d rather have had Blofeld left in the past.

    The scenes with Bond, Madeleine and their daughter were touching. I enjoyed the opening sequence. When it came to the new 007, I don’t feel anybody should have that code name except Bond himself.

    However, I was able to accept it more after Bond regained his 00 status and got his code name back. If Nomi was 007 the entire movie, that would’ve been harder to accept.

    The thing about Craig’s Bond is I think they were good movies. I just didn’t think they were good Bond movies. There were times throughout Craig’s run that I recognized the Bond of old, but a lot of times, it didn’t feel like Hond at all.

    They said James Bond will return, I can only hope James Bond as we know him will also return.

  • humbusterhumbuster Posts: 5MI6 Agent

    I did like the music, thinking this has been the best since David Arnold left.

  • GymkataGymkata Minnesota, USAPosts: 3,424MI6 Agent

    Agreed, the score by Zimmer was great. Loved the use of callbacks to prior themes, especially OHMSS.

    Current rankings:
    OHMSS>FRWL>CR>TSWLM>YOLT>MR>SF>FYEO>GE>OP>DN>
    TWINE>TND>QOS>TB>TMWTGG>GF>LALD>TLD>AVTAK>SP>DAF>LTK>DAD
    Bond rankings: Lazenby>Moore>Connery>Craig>Brosnan>Dalton
  • JTBondJTBond Posts: 56MI6 Agent

    Just watched it for the first time. When the credits rolled I've never seen a more deflated audience at a Bond film in my life. This was a real crusher. The hero I've idolized for so long was just killed with nothing left at the end to give fans a "pick me up". Barbara and Michael and Cary all have said in interviews that it's all about the fans. Killing James Bond is not what the fans come to the theaters to see. I plan on watching once or twice more but this honestly feels like one that I'm not even sure I want to own a copy of. I will buy it just because I love the franchise, but it's going to be difficult to casually watch this knowing what the ending holds.

    Having said that, I enjoyed 95% of this movie but felt there were some plot holes. Particularly with Bond being "infected". They could have easily written a segment in where Q has developed an antidote for Bond based on Madeline and Mathildes DNA. Ah well, it is what it is. Perhaps I've written all of this too quickly, but for now, I have a sinking feeling in my stomach that a Bond film has never given me.

    And finally, I do not understand the name of the movie or the song. What about this movie screams "No Time to Die"? Leiter, Blofeld, and Bond...all dead. There's apparently plenty of time to die! And the song is written based on Bond believing Madeline betrayed him in the beginning which turns out not to be true.

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  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 9,277MI6 Agent

    All these fans saying, I hated it - I'd only see it twice more at the cinemas!

    If all the women I'd bedded had said, well, that was rubbish - only two more shags for you my friend, just to be sure! I might have had a decent sex life! Ah well.

    "This is where we leave you Mr Bond."

    Roger Moore 1927-2017
  • ThomoThomo ReadingPosts: 924MI6 Agent

    Didn’t hate it at all. Loved 99% of it. Had it not been for the last 1% it would be right up there. But Bond giving up and dying 😞

  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 9,277MI6 Agent

    Ah - then you are like my past lovers! 99%! 😀

    "This is where we leave you Mr Bond."

    Roger Moore 1927-2017
  • JTBondJTBond Posts: 56MI6 Agent

    Never once said I hated it. I enjoyed all of the film except for the dejecting ending. The reason I'll watch it again in theaters is because I have some family members that haven't been able to watch yet and want to attend with me next week. I assure you it isn't just so I can get another satisfying dose of Bond dying.

  • Sir MilesSir Miles The Wrong Side Of The WardrobePosts: 25,369Chief of Staff

    Bond gives up? 🤔

    Haven't seen that version…the one I’ve seen - several times - Bond sacrifices himself for Madeleine and his daughter.

    YNWA 97
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 18,323MI6 Agent

    Yes, I saw the same version as Sir Miles.

  • ThomoThomo ReadingPosts: 924MI6 Agent

    Yes I get what you are saying. But all the films and books I always thought he’d try and survive and see what happens - only an opinion of course

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