No Time To Die- Reviews with SPOILERS

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  • HalfMonk HalfHitmanHalfMonk HalfHitman USAPosts: 2,036MI6 Agent


    It's an intentional time cut/transition, and to me felt in keeping with the early spirit of the franchise.

  • GymkataGymkata Minnesota, USAPosts: 3,488MI6 Agent

    Just finished watching NTTD again for the second time. If anything, my positive opinion of the film has only increased. With this second viewing, I was able to sit back and admire the acting and a lot of the technical aspects of the filmmaking. There's a lot of really great work being done here, regardless of your opinion of the film.

    One thing: I do stand corrected on my interpretation of the vial at the end. I thought it was a doomsday vial, targeted to kill everyone. This time, I realized it was specifically keyed to Madeleine and, by proxy, Mathilde. That still works for me as Bond would be a walking death sentence to M and M in the real world...even if he never touched them directly, the nanobots would eventually find their way to them via proxy.

    Another thing: this film sealed it...the V8 Vantage is officially my favorite Bond car. It replaces the '69 DBS at the top of the list.

    Current rankings:
    OHMSS>FRWL>CR>TSWLM>YOLT>MR>SF>FYEO>GE>OP>DN>
    TWINE>TND>QOS>TB>TMWTGG>GF>LALD>TLD>AVTAK>SP>DAF>LTK>DAD
    Bond rankings: Lazenby>Moore>Connery>Craig>Brosnan>Dalton
  • Barry NelsonBarry Nelson ChicagoPosts: 1,508MI6 Agent
    edited November 14

    Been a long time since I was on this site, but I just saw NTTD and thought I would share my thoughts. I thoroughly enjoyed the film, it may be my favorite Craig Bond film. The pre-title sequence was excellent, but I hated the title song, thought it dragged, and the title art work was acceptable, I will always miss the girls in the titles but I understand that is not coming back. The film, despite it's length, held my interest throughout. Action sequences were well done and the storyline had some good plot twists. I enjoyed the love story between Bond and Madeleine and found it believable. Have always enjoyed Jeffrey Wright as Leiter and Naomi Harris as Moneypenny and they did not disappoint in this film. I would have Wright as my all-time favorite Leiter. Ana de Armas was a total delight and I wish she had more screen time. Rami Malek was not the most menacing villain, but his understated emotions and body/facial movements were creepy. I thought this may have been Craig's best acting and also thought Lea Seydoux was outstanding. I like films where I can feel for the characters, Bond, Madeleine, Safin, all had suffered loss and all were pained by their loss. I felt the pain each character had endured and that increased my enjoyment of the film.

    Couple quick comments, liked how they worked the poison garden from Fleming's novel YOLT into the film and also liked the use of the OHMSS We Have All The Time in the World music into the film. I left the theater very happy, although I did wonder how the producers approach the next film, it will be interesting.

    Ranking the Craig films, top to bottom NTTD, Skyfall, Spectre, CR, QOS. My opinion only, I know others think differently.

  • TonyDPTonyDP Inside the MonolithPosts: 4,162MI6 Agent

    BARRY!!!!!!! It's great to see you on the site again. I sincerely hope you're doing well and staying safe and healthy.

    By odd coincidence, my brother and I just finished watching the movie as well. Alas, I cannot say we shared your sentiments. Maybe it was the fact that we already knew what to expect but the movie really fell flat for me and elicited no emotions whatsoever.

    I thought the pre-credits sequence was serivceable at best. While I didn't mind the flashback and Bond's initial run-in with the SPECTRE thugs, the Aston Martin section felt too short; one donut, a few bullets, some smoke and it was all over. Also, Bond really comes across as a complete idiot here, stupidly falling for an orgy of evidence without once questioning whether it was all a manipulation, especially as he already knows that Blofeld has a penchant for this sort of thing.

    The title song is probably the worst one in the series for me and that's saying something after Madonna's fingernails on the chalkboard rendition of Die Another Day. At least that had some energy to it; this sounded like it was delivered after a bottle of scotch and a handful of Prozac.

    The Cuba scenes were ok but to be honest while Ana DeArmas' anxiety was mildly amusing, the action had an odd pace to it that never really took off for me. The death of Leiter was well done and he and Craig had a good rapport. I actually felt more empathy for Leiter's death than Bond's (more on that later).

    From there until reveal of Mathilde the film felt like just a parade of exposition to advance the plot, show us how stupid M has become and generally start to stack the deck for the inevitable conclusion.

    The domestic scenes of Bond reconnecting with Madeleine and making his daughter breakfast (let's not kid ourselves, he knows she's his daughter) were boring to me. I know they were an attempt at character building but quite frankly that's the last thing I want from a Bond movie.

    The assault on the island was similarly oddly paced with the action coming in fits and starts and never really falling into any kind of a rhythm.

    Bond's scenes with Safin did not resonate with me at all. The dialog was hard to understand (a recurring problem with characters constantly whispering, mumbling and generally talking under their breath) and I really didn't understand Safin's motivation for wanting to kill millions. There was some mumbo jumbo about people not really wanting to be safe or some such nonsense but it fell flat and didn't seem genuine.

    And then we come to Bond's death. In watching the scenes leading up to it, as the deck is stacked, I could not escape the feeling that I was watching Daniel Craig trying to cement his legacy as Bond by doing something no other actor in the role ever had. It all felt manufactured and disingenuous and when he says "I'm not going to make it" I felt absolutely nothing, other than a simmering resentment at Barbara Broccoli for going there with one of my favorite fictional characters.

    Overall, as I watched NTTD, I struggled to equate it with a Bond movie, especially the last third. The attempts at manipulating my emotions failed miserably and all the callbacks to other, in my opinion, better movies felt out of place. I switched it off as soon as the credits started to roll, not even caring enough to wait for the inevitable "James Bond will return" tag at the end. As far as I'm concerned, the creative decisions made by the filmmakers send this one right to the bottom of the heap but that should come as no surprise to anyone who knows my taste in Bond movies. So long Daniel Craig, don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.

  • Barry NelsonBarry Nelson ChicagoPosts: 1,508MI6 Agent

    Hi Tony, good to hear from you and I am doing fine, thanks for asking. Nice to see you are still on the site. I realized a long time ago that everyone's taste in Bond differs, for example, I did not like CR, but most Bond fans do. Craig is not my favorite Bond, but he has grown on me and I thought he did a nice job in this film. I have mixed thoughts on Bond's death in this film. As I mentioned to my wife after seeing the film, in the past, when a new Bond was introduced, it was just a new actor playing Bond and Bond was sent off on a new mission. The fact that he is supposedly dead, makes me wonder how the producers will move forward. The more I think about it, the more I think the death scene was a mistake.

    In many of of the Bond films, Bond supposedly falls in love. In most, I never believed the love between the characters. I believed it in OHMSS with Tracy and actually believed it in TND with Paris. Never believed it in CR with Vesper. In the last two films, I did feel Bond loved Madeleine and that may have helped my investment in the story.

    Being a long time (old) Bond fan, my Bond film rankings tend to change over time. I initially did not care for OHMSS but the film has really grown on me. LTK continues to grow on me, so I imagine my feelings on this film will evolve, for better or worse, over time.

    Good to hear from you Tony and you still write better reviews than I do. 😉

  • SnorpleySnorpley Posts: 80MI6 Agent

    I'm loving reading all the reviews here (thanks guys), having seen the film here in Australia only a few days ago on it's first full day or release. It felt like a long 5 or 6 weeks (after international release), but we go there in the end.

    I'd like to share some brief thoughts below.

    Overall:

    • Despite having watched all the trailers (despite a promise to myself to the contrary), I still found the film quite thrilling for the most part.
    • At this moment, NTTD for me sits 3rd in the DC-era Bonds behind CR and SF, though I need additional viewings to see if it can challenge for that second spot. My gut feel is that Silva is keeping Safin in 3rd ('...only as good as their villains'?)

    Some Specifics:

    • The pre-titles sequences, particularly Matera, were the highlight for me. despite seeing the motorcycle jump and donut a bazillion times ahead of seeing the movie, I was completely thrilled by how it played out, in particularly with the moments Bond takes as the car is getting smashed by bullets.
    • I got heart 'pangs' at DC's delivery of 'I miss you' to Vesper, LS's reaction as the train doors close, Felix's 'It's a good life isn't it?' and with Zimmer's 'Final Ascent' strings.
    • I'm sadder at the death of JB now, than I was coming out of the cinema, when I think I was 'OK with it' because it was something I did not expect to see (without ambiguity anyway), and I enjoy being surprised. There are thousands of bigger Bond fans among these pages and I'm thinking that if this is staying with me like it is, then there are many of you that must have done it tough digesting those final scenes.( I hope you're all ok!).
    • I loved the more casual (and $$$ accessible) wardrobe, and I've been charmed by Suttirat, particularly in DZ's recent (awesome) discussion. For the record I've only picked up a couple of things, the Avery neck tie and the RGT jacket. There will be other purchases down the track, and in several cases, being down here in Aus (no stockists for many things) has made it marginally easier not to buy things. I'll get those freakin combat pants one day. If I was 6 foot or above I'd probably give the Duster a go too. I could go on...
    • Cary did a good job. I felt like SF and SP were more Mendes-y than NTTD was Fukunaga-y, but given he was a little late to the game, perhaps there were some limitations on what he good bring (just spitballin').

    The extended delays in getting this one to theatres have meant I've definitely spent much more time reading from the AJB than I might have on any other 'cycle' between films. Thanks to you all for helping build the excitement. I look forward to more years as a part of the community (I hope!)

    All the best,

    Snorpley (aka Paul)

    ...a brother from Sydney
  • chrisno1chrisno1 LondonPosts: 1,505MI6 Agent

    @TonyDP says:

    The dialog was hard to understand (a recurring problem with characters constantly whispering, mumbling and generally talking under their breath) 

    AHA ! So it wasn't only me who has this opinion. I hate having to watch a film twice simply to understand what people are saying. Are actors not trained to annunciate properly anymore?

  • TonyDPTonyDP Inside the MonolithPosts: 4,162MI6 Agent
    edited November 15

    I'm experiencing this more and more in modern movies. I think part of the problem is that the dialog seems to get a lower priority to the sound effects in the overall mix a lot of times so you really have to crank up the volume to hear what people are saying only to then have your eardrums shattered every time there is an explosion.

    Some directors also more apt to do this than others; Christopher Nolan has gotten really bad in this regard recently. Bane was often unintelligible in Dark Knight Rises and Tenet had a horribly bad audio mix. I've actually started using closed captions more even though I generally hate doing it because focusing on the text means I sometimes miss the visuals on the screen.

    With NTTD Lea Seydoux and Rami Malek in particular would just mumble a lot or speak barely above a whisper. The oddball accent Malek decided to use didn't help either.

  • GymkataGymkata Minnesota, USAPosts: 3,488MI6 Agent

    I'll absolutely agree that the sound mix on a lot of recent movies is terrible in terms of understanding the dialog. Christopher Nolan is particularly frustrating in this regard.

    That said, I personally thought the sound mix in this film was fine. Not sure if it was the theater or what but it played just fine. My wife, who has a harder time than I do with hearing dialog, also thought it was fine. Watching it again at home a few days ago, I again thought that the sound mix was fine. Perhaps the sound was simply bad in your theater? I've definitely stopped going to certain theaters in my area because the sound was bad OR the projection was consistently too dim.

    Current rankings:
    OHMSS>FRWL>CR>TSWLM>YOLT>MR>SF>FYEO>GE>OP>DN>
    TWINE>TND>QOS>TB>TMWTGG>GF>LALD>TLD>AVTAK>SP>DAF>LTK>DAD
    Bond rankings: Lazenby>Moore>Connery>Craig>Brosnan>Dalton
  • HalfMonk HalfHitmanHalfMonk HalfHitman USAPosts: 2,036MI6 Agent
    edited November 15

    In three theatrical viewings, the sound was only good in the IMAX theater; and at home it also sounded fine (though any dialogue hurdles were probably also cleared by it being a fourth viewing 😂).

  • GymkataGymkata Minnesota, USAPosts: 3,488MI6 Agent

    I regret not seeing this (or DUNE) in IMAX. All that's available now is ETERNALS and that is one that I'm skipping entirely.

    Current rankings:
    OHMSS>FRWL>CR>TSWLM>YOLT>MR>SF>FYEO>GE>OP>DN>
    TWINE>TND>QOS>TB>TMWTGG>GF>LALD>TLD>AVTAK>SP>DAF>LTK>DAD
    Bond rankings: Lazenby>Moore>Connery>Craig>Brosnan>Dalton
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,055MI6 Agent
    edited November 15

    Here's my review:

    No Time To Die.

    Warning, spoiler city.

    Great photography, some witty dialogue, seriously good action scenes & a fine score are all wasted on this soap opera that employs a science fiction world domination nanobot plot with Stargate-level technology. And you thought the vanishing car in Die Another Day was a bit much? Or the space laser? Nah, that was nothun'.

    So, this movie is all serious & stuff, but I hadda deal with nanobots? Oh, and they infect Bond so he can't stay with his new love from the previous movie, SPECTRE, or they'll kill her. Steal ideas from the TV series Dark Angel much?

    Wait- it gets worse. More of the following trends s**t instead of setting them here:

    Remember recent movies with Luke Skywalker, Han Solo, Princess Leia, Tony Stark, Black Widow...???

    Lemme quote Tiffany Case from 1971's Diamonds Are Forever, "YOU'VE JUST KILLED JAMES BOND!"

    Thanks, Dan. Now you've gone to show us no one's indestructible.

    Is this the Bond who never gives up trying in the face of almost certain failure?

    No, this is Dan trying to give us the mythic end to the hero's journey. Facing his end bravely.

    If any reading this can take it as such, I am truly envious.

    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.QOS 4.GF 5.DN/GE 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/SP
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 31,983Chief of Staff
    edited November 16

    Here's mine, finally.

    A gimmick-filled movie. Gimmicks employed in place of plot and characters.

    What do I mean by gimmicks? Shocks to the viewing audience that they (hopefully, in the filmmakers' eyes) weren't expecting.

    Gimmick 1- Bond is no longer 007, that number has been given to another agent. Subgimmick- she's female. Subgimmick- she's of colour.

    Gimmick 2- Felix Leiter, Bond's best friend and a frequent supporting character, is killed. He doesn't have an arm and a leg chewed off by a shark, allowing him to return with prostheses as in Fleming (or as implied in LTK), he's killed. This is given more weight by his absence from the preceding two movies and his being played by an actor many Bond fans have accepted and enjoyed as Felix and (I'm going out on a limb here, but I think many will agree) consider the best Felix ever so were looking forward to his return.

    Gimmick 3- Blofeld is killed. This is slightly less of a gimmick, since Blofeld has been killed before and I have no doubt will be again- I only hope I'm still around to see that. For back-up to this theory, see Moriarty in Sherlock Holmes- he was killed several times (eg "Sherlock Holmes And The Secret Weapon", 1942) and returned in later films with little or no explanation.

    Gimmick 4- Mathilde. After all these years (decades?) Bond finally has a child. It's sprung on him and the audience simultaneously. His world view changes. It becomes more realistic.... just like we don't watch James Bond films for. She's a gimmick.

    Gimmick 5- Bond dies. The entire end portion of the film sets this up. Whether you like it, agree with it or not, I stand by my view- it's a gimmick.

    The rest of the film is just connecting these points, like a dot-to-dot puzzle.

    At the same time, the score (always one of the essential parts for me) takes the Bond Theme, "We Have All The Time In The World", a few notes of Vesper's Theme, an instrumental version or two of the title song, "Over And Out" from OHMSS, repeat a couple of these, do an original piece or two, then finish with Louis Armstrong's vocal WHATTITW. Just connect the dots.

    In summary, I felt it mechanical rather than organic. This isn't to say that there weren't parts I enjoyed (Paloma's sequence, of course, the PTS, the interplay with M, Moneypenny, Q, Tanner) and Cary Fukunaga is a director I'd love to see on a Bond film again- but on a Bond film proper which I don't believe this is.

  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,055MI6 Agent

    Sadly, agreed.

    And the use of WHATTITW was particularly irritating. So, new timeline, but recycled music from a more emotionally engaging movie/era? Lame.

    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.QOS 4.GF 5.DN/GE 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/SP
  • RevelatorRevelator Posts: 353MI6 Agent

    I enjoyed the first two-thirds and overall craftsmanship of NTTD, but "mechanical rather than organic" is a perfect summation of the film's major weakness.

  • caractacus pottscaractacus potts Orbital communicator, level 10Posts: 2,596MI6 Agent

    @Gymkata youre skipping a Marvel Cinematic Universe film?!!

    has the real Gymkata been replaced by a Skrull?

  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,055MI6 Agent

    Well, nanobots ARE more mechanical than organic, eh?

    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.QOS 4.GF 5.DN/GE 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/SP
  • chrisno1chrisno1 LondonPosts: 1,505MI6 Agent

    Thanks @Barbel, a neat summary. Nice gimmick to the essay format BTW.

  • GymkataGymkata Minnesota, USAPosts: 3,488MI6 Agent

    ...maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaybe...

    it just holds no interest for me, and most of the people that I know who've seen it didn't care for it. I'll wait for blu ray.

    Current rankings:
    OHMSS>FRWL>CR>TSWLM>YOLT>MR>SF>FYEO>GE>OP>DN>
    TWINE>TND>QOS>TB>TMWTGG>GF>LALD>TLD>AVTAK>SP>DAF>LTK>DAD
    Bond rankings: Lazenby>Moore>Connery>Craig>Brosnan>Dalton
  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 9,365MI6 Agent

    'Well if we release the film in Scotland we may not hear from them for a couple of months...'

    "This is where we leave you Mr Bond."

    Roger Moore 1927-2017
  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 9,365MI6 Agent

    NTTD may return to Imax in the New Year. I have no evidence to suggest this, except it did with Spectre, some time around February for a month or more. Might not occur this time round with the rush release of the new film on DVD, or with other films upcoming.

    "This is where we leave you Mr Bond."

    Roger Moore 1927-2017
  • IcePakIcePak Perth, Western AustraliaPosts: 154MI6 Agent

    So we finally got the film here in Australia. I got to see No Time to Die last night and came back with mixed feelings.

    The review below CONTAINS SPOILERS for those who haven't seen the film.

    The opening memory sequence is quite dark for a Bond film and more akin to a horror film, but it was entertaining and i enjoyed it for what it was.

    The scenes in the various Italy locations are great, with the love between Bond and Madeleine blossoming but there being some trust issues developing. The attempted killing of Bond is great, and the following chase scenes, especially with the DB5, are some of the best in the series. Bond putting Madeleine on the train and leaving her is heartbreaking, but certainly works within the context of what has been set up.

    The title sequence seems like a mess, drawing from other films' title sequences, such as Goldeneye and Casino Royale, rather than having its own identity. But I don't really care about title sequences. Like the last three title songs, I don't care for this one. But it's not offensive.

    The Jamaica and Cuba scenes are fantastic, and are probably my favourite scenes in the film. Paloma is an excellent character and it's a shame we don't see more of her. Nonetheless, she is fantastic in the action scenes and the ploy of Valdo to switch the nanobots to kill the SPECTRE agents is an interesting one that, unfortunately, doesn't really lead anywhere. Valdo is an interesting and fun character, especially in these scenes, but they could have done more with him. I also really enjoyed the interplay between Bond and Nomi. Felix's death is saddening and adds some weight to what is to come despite not feeling deserved.

    The ensuing MI6 scenes are good, and I loved seeing the DB7 again, which is often maligned in favour of the DB5. I enjoyed seeing how MI6 had moved on from Bond and that M wants nothing to do with him. It's great to see Moneypenny and Q helping him again. M designing Heracles in secret adds some depth to this character who comes across as more despicable in the early part of the film and makes sense given what we know of him from earlier films and the state of the world. It could have given him an interesting character arc, but after it's revealed he created it this sub-plot is dropped, which is disappointing given the potential it had to lead to something more sinister and compelling.

    Safin's reveal as the villain and same man who attacked and saved Madeleine is chilling, but predictable thanks to the make up and promotional material I wish I hadn't watched prior to the film.

    The scene with Blofeld is okay, but a waste of the character and Christoph Waltz, and the outcome was predictable, leading to a disappointing death of an iconic villain. In his review of the film, David Zaritsky suggested Blofeld should have been the mastermind behind this plot, and I agree with this, given how disappointing of a villain Safin is.

    While the scenes with Madeleine and Mathilde are nice, they feel out of place in a Bond film. I don't understand why Madeleine lies to Bond about Mathilde being his daughter, but can run with it because she's upset with him for how their relationship ended and she doesn't entirely trust him.

    It's a shame the DB7 isn't used in the ensuing car chase, but the scene is great on its own. The fight and resourcefulness of Bond in the forest is excellent, if a little overly violent, and really enjoyable.

    Bond and Nomi teaming up and working with Q is a great sequence. Their infiltration of Safin's complex is enjoyable, even if it is reminiscent of Bond videogames. The base itself is a fantastic location. But once Bond encounters Safin, this is where the film deteriorates for me. Safin is not a great villain, being someone who simply wants revenge. This worked for killing SPECTRE, but for killing the whole world? It seems excessive to me and without any great motive. Indeed, as much as I like how the scene between them hearkens back to Dr No, his "plan" feels shallow. This really should have been a showdown between Bond and Blofeld instead. Although I understand Bond "submitting" to him as part of his tactic to get Mathilda back, it seems out of character for Bond, especially Craig's Bond.

    Safin just letting go of Mathilde after working so hard to use her against Bond and Madeleine so far seems out of character and just a way for the writers to get her back to them for the purpose of the plot.

    The opening the silos sequence is excellent, and I appreciate Bond and Safin's final blows in the poison chamber, but it has no pathos. Even Safin ensuring Bond could never be with Madeleine and Mathilde, while a cool twist, feels shoehorned in to give what's to come some pathos.

    Bond's sacrifice and ultimate death has no weight. The Bond I know, the Bond of the Craig era, is resourceful and would have found a way to escape. This is my major problem with the film. The one thing all Bond films have is that Bond survives, even if its only by the skin of his teeth. Bond films are about hope and goodness prevailing despite all the darkness he faces. It doesn't fit the series, especially considering the film ends with "James Bond will return" and feels shoehorned in to give audiences a shock and something different more akin to Game of Thrones (where death of lead characters was set up from the beginning). It really soured the film for me.

    The whole nanobot storyline really delved into the science-fiction side of Bond. It was more believable than the space fight in Moonraker and the plane fight in Die Another Day, but the stakes weren't as high as they needed to be. To give Bond's death and this storyline more pathos, it needed to be established that other countries were after Heracles earlier on so the ticking clock mechanism had more weight and tension.

    Madeleine telling Mathilde about Bond at the end is a nice way to end the film, and I wonder if Mathilde will be the next James Bond 007 in the series. The producers set up a female 007 with Nomi, and I wonder if this was an intentional way to soften audiences to a female 007. Time will tell...

    The use of an instrumental version of We Have All the Time in the World works in the PTS, but feels shoehorned in at the end. As does the use of the On Her Majesty's Secret Service theme when Bond and M speak near the river. This film needed its own identity and the reuse of these cues doesn't help that. Apart from that, on the whole, Zimmer's soundtrack is excellent and suits the film.

    I think the actors do a great job with the material they are given. The locations are some of the best in the series. There's some fantastic action scenes. The characters and their dilemma are interesting. But like most of Purvis and Wade's scripts, it has a lot of weaknesses. Why they keep hiring them to write Bond films when they said they were finished with the series over a decade ago is beyond me. Still, there is a lot to love about this film. But the ending really spoils it for me.

    What's more, while I think its a mostly good film, it doesn't feel like a Bond film. Sure, some of the iconography is there - the Aston Martins, the vodka martinis, Blofeld, the tux - but it feels shoehorned in to an action film with science-fiction elements.

    I've only seen it once so far, so my opinion may change with subsequent viewings. But from my initial viewing, it's a disappointing film that I would rank on par with or just under SPECTRE.

    1. CR 2. OHMSS 3. SF 4. TLD 5. TSWLM 6. GE 7. FRwL
    8. TMwtGG 9. FYEO 10. OP 11. TND 12. LtK 13. GF 14. DN
    15. AVtak 16. SP 17. MR 18 . LaLD 19. NTtD 20. TWiNE 21. YOLT
    22. TB 23. QoS 24. DAD 25. DaF
  • chrisno1chrisno1 LondonPosts: 1,505MI6 Agent

    Thanks @IcePak did you take a pen and paper into the cinema with you? Very detailed.

    Your feelings gel similarly to mine. It's a good film, but a disappointing Bond film. You also highlight some of my sticking points with the narrative. It's interesting you used the word SHOEHORNED several times and the movie does feel as if it had a decent plot which was then bastardised to allow all the extraneous character details to be crammed in. I agree most wholeheartedly with your point that Blofeld should be the villain. He really should. It isn't lazy to utilise am arch villain in a movie. It does feel lazy to introduce him and them kill him off within five minutes.

  • Gassy ManGassy Man USAPosts: 2,908MI6 Agent

    Yes, excellent write up.

    I’d been thinking about Blofeld as the villain for some time, too. To me, it would have been stronger if Saffin had stolen the nanobots (or some better macguffin because I think they’re kind of dumb) and demanded the British turn Blofeld over to him after Saffin wipes out SPECTRE conventionally. His organization is just worse, a megalodon compared to a great white shark. The island is SPECTRE’s headquarters, not his, but Saffin takes over. He kidnaps Swann and Mathilde as insurance, demanding Bond bring Blofeld to him for revenge. The British balk, but then Saffin uses the weapon to wipe out the crew of a British warship and reluctantly agree. Once released, Blofeld escapes but Bond recaptures him — fights, chases, etc. Ultimately, they end up on the island, but it turns out SPECTRE is not dead. Blofeld merely sacrificed some of his people, and those in Saffin’s organization who are double agents along with others fight Saffin for control. Blofeld kills Saffin and plans to go through with his threat, which is fire nanobots missiles into Hong Kong or Australia or wherever, He gives Bond a choice. He can try to stop Blofeld in the control room or rescue Swann and Mathilde from the bottom of a missile, but he can’t do both. If he rescues Swann and Mathilde, millions will still die from the missiles. If he detonates them, Swann and Mathilde will die. Either way, Bond will suffer, the ultimate pain. Blofeld doesn’t know that with Bond’s secret message (with a Q watch if something), Nomi rescues Swann and Mathilde. Now, Bond and Blofeld fight to the death. But the countdown can’t be stopped and Blofeld has destroyed the autodestruct. The only way to save the day is a Royal Navy missile strike and Bond to manually hold the silo doors open by staying on the lever in the control room . . .

  • IcePakIcePak Perth, Western AustraliaPosts: 154MI6 Agent

    Yes, I like that plot line better than the one we got.

    I appreciate them trying to do something different, but not at the expense of a character who they haven't been able to use since the early 70s.

    1. CR 2. OHMSS 3. SF 4. TLD 5. TSWLM 6. GE 7. FRwL
    8. TMwtGG 9. FYEO 10. OP 11. TND 12. LtK 13. GF 14. DN
    15. AVtak 16. SP 17. MR 18 . LaLD 19. NTtD 20. TWiNE 21. YOLT
    22. TB 23. QoS 24. DAD 25. DaF
  • Gassy ManGassy Man USAPosts: 2,908MI6 Agent

    Gimmick is a great word to use. We could argue all Bond films are manipulative, of course, and yet the best of them do so with an organic feel. The worst are formulaic, and their less organic execution makes the formula more obvious. NTTD is manipulative, of course, but the first hour or so feels organic. The pace, stunts, writing, and acting blur the seams. It’s essentially a genuine Bond experience, but then it veers into other territory. The plot feels constructed, for example (I’d argue poorly at times). The dialogue is creaky and muddled. Even the acting changes. Craig’s line delivery throughout the previous four movies has been pretty consistent in its beats, his tone. Here, he sometimes slips out of being Bond, especially during the flat and laborious domestic scenes. (interestingly, I felt the same way about Jeffrey Wright’s Leiter, who isn’t quite the cool cat we experience earlier). To me, that’s a large part of what makes them feel gimmicky,

  • MailfistMailfist Posts: 169MI6 Agent

    My daughter saw NTTD before I did and her comment was 'its a good action movie its just not a Bond move'. Having seen it I totally agree with her. When I came out of the movie my wife asked me did I enjoy it and I honestly don't know. (She's more of a Mission Impossible fan and I'm beginning to see her point).

    The Matera and Cuba sequences were good. Can't quite work out why Vesper was buried in an Italian town. Paloma was a good character and I would have liked to see more screen time. It was amusing watching them try to do a Spectre orgy on 12A rating.

    I was really disappointed when they killed Felix (it was bad enough when they killed Mathis) but it sort of made sense at the end when they killed Bond.

    After Cuba it all fell flat.

    Rami Malik wasted as Safin. Another Dominic Greene. Christoph Waltz wasted again as Blofeld. He should have been the villain not Safin. Don't tell me SPECTRE didn't have the resources to break him out of Belmarsh.

    Never really got Safin's motivation and the end fight between him and Bond was pathetic. Again echoes of Dominic Greene.

    The end sequence with Bond running down the corridors shooting anything that moved looked more like a video game and after he had shot the 200th henchman I was getting bored and wondering if the bar was still open.

    And Bond's death. Bond does not give up. Bond always finds a way out that's why he's Bond.

    At least he will return so the question is - resurrection or reboot.

  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 18,602MI6 Agent

    I've seen the comment "it's not a Bond movie" several times now. Why does NTTD fail to be a Bond movie to those people? Is it Bond's death, the child or something else?

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