That sounds very interesting. I'm especially intrigued by the references to Gardner. I believe Charlie Higson gives the pronunciation of both of the more unusual names in the second interview with Catching Bullets posted below:
I've watched both interviews and they're great and spoiler free. It's nice to know a bit of the background before you delve into the story. Caiboche is a good name. Gardner similarly had Caber while Faulks had Chagrin.
"The tough man of the world. The Secret Agent. The man who was only a silhouette." - Ian Fleming, Moonraker (1955).
Le Chiffre doesn't get a mention. OHMSS isn't mentioned by name, obviously, just Bond recalling that he learned about heraldry for a job a few years ago. Quite a few, as we know.
I think Caiboche is a wonderful name for a Bond baddie 😁 Does it have any meaning for US readers? I'm not sure if they use it there.
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I think ... to put the Kibosh on someone is to put an end to their run of luck
I'm in the next Colony over, but its certainly a phrase used in plenty of American films and tv shows. I'm sure Seinfeld said it, maybe even Bogart.
its a bit similar to Jinx, isnt it, also a Bond character name
how is this unpronounceable BondGirl's name spelt?
barbel sez:
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OHMSS isn't mentioned by name, obviously, just Bond recalling that he learned about heraldry for a job a few years ago.
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this makes sense, the sliding timeline. keep dates vague so long as theres no real-world context needed. Blofeld's bioterror plot could just as easily have happened yesterday, maybe even more likely as genetic monocultures have become so prevalent in agriculture round the world, cashcrops today would be even more vulnerable,
and I can see why Bond'd be reminiscing about his heraldry training given the context of this book, even if he doesnt mention the rest of the adventure with Blofeld.
I think ... to put the Kibosh on someone is to put an end to their run of luck
I'm in the next Colony over, but its certainly a phrase used in plenty of American films and tv shows. I'm sure Seinfeld said it, maybe even Bogart.
Ah great, thanks; I couldn't think of hearing it in a US context but was aware I may have just missed it.
how is this unpronounceable BondGirl's name spelt?
It's Ragnheiður, which seems to be pronounced Rrrag-n-heydur I think.
Curiously her full name is Ragnheiður Ragnarsdóttir, which is the name of a famous Icelandic swimmer-turned-actress. Not quite sure why he's done that.
@caractacus potts, it has a probably unique character in it which is not on my keyboard so I'm not going to try.
I should have mentioned above that there are a few expies of real life people in it. This is as active people in the book,as opposed to mention being given to, say, Putin, Macron, Trump, etc. I have what I hope are good guesses as to who they're based on, but opinions may differ. The only real person with an active part is, of course, King Charles.
here's Crazy Joe Devola accusing Jerry of putting the kibosh on him in a classic episode of Seinfeld (seriously I could recite the dialog of most of this episode from memory, its the one where they go to the opera)
Seinfeld may use a wider range of exotic vocabulary than the typical American sitcom, though. Theres another one where Elaine says "blimey" for no apparent reason.
One slight criticism - it could have done with another proofreading but given the timescale involved that's easily overlooked.
Yes, @Barbel, I think CH mentions this in his interview with DZ, that he wishes he'd had more time to proofread, or it contains a few errors or words to that effect.
While Norwegian and Icelandic obviously are related, the two languages are so different I have to speak English when speaking to Icelanders. Icelandic is much closer to Old Norse than the modern Scandinavian languages. However when I visited the country I found I could understand (or guess at) a good portion of the written language. I also learned a bit about Old Norse at school. So I'll try:
Icelandic uses hard consonants, for example the R's will be closer to a Scottish pronounciation (and then some). When it comes to vowels the A is pronounced much like in "barn". EI is said like in "Geiger". The letter that looks like small D only exists in Old Norse and modern Icelandic and it's said like TH in "the". U is said like the last sound in "new". The ò in dòttir (daughter) I think is pronounced like the O in "born". The I is like the I in ..... "in".
I don't know if it matters, but the name means something like "luminous/pure decision" and "daughter of Ragnar".
Now I'll cross my fingers and hope no-one who really knows Old Norse or Icelandic ever reads this ... 😂
I've read the novel on and off over the last couple of days, finished it and liked it. It's a good short read. Despite the topicality and contemporary setting of the novel, Higson's new Bond feels like Fleming's Bond to me, reassuringly familiar. The book tries to be as faithful in spirit to Fleming, in its way, as those Bond novels by others - principally Horowitz - which are conceived as period pieces and imagined as insertions in/ extensions to Fleming's continuity. Indeed, post-Horowitz, Higson's different method of transposing to today a determinedly Flemingesque Bond, M and OO section (section, surely, rather than "department"), in a re-booted continuity, seems like the most viable way forward for Bond fiction.
Higson's reference to a previous case involving knowledge of heraldry suggests a past for his new Bond which, though not the same as Fleming's Bond's past - how could it be, given the generational difference? - somehow mirrors it. That's clever. And Higson seems to go out of his way to emphasise that Bond and the new Bond girl are not the marrying kind. This not only sets out a marker of difference from Fleming's 'On Her Majesty's Secret Service' but also, possibly, fires a literary shot across Barbara Broccoli's bows, given Eon's installation of Craig-Bond (dec.) in a family unit.
Critics and material I don't need. I haven't changed my act in 50 years.
Thanks, @chrisno1 I've Just read your own thoughtful review, from earlier in the thread. I'd go along with most of your criticisms, though the novel's flaws probably bother me less.
There's a deep vein of satirical comedy to Higson's conception of the villain, AEthelstan, an almost (Boris) Johnsonian, self-aggrandising caricature, mendaciously trucking - for cynical, selfish ends - with extreme right-wingers (themselves imagined like sponsors of some para-military wing of the Tory ERG!)
Had the novel been longer there might even have been scope for including a Liz Truss figure, perhaps as an Irma Bunt-type consort for AEthelstan. Indeed, at one point, when conveying AEthelstan's secretly held, contemptuous opinion of his acolytes, Higson uses the phrase, "useful idiots", echoing the insult reportedly used about Kwasi Kwateng in 2022 by city traders who saw the opportunity to make a killing from his/ Truss's disastrous fiscal project. (Incidentally, Higson's AEthelstan devotee Lord Bonkers, in his pink trousers, somehow conjures in my mind, probably unfairly, an image of the Johnsonite Rt. Hon. Member for Lichfield!)
Pitching Bond against AEthelstan - and against the fruitcake stall of extremists and mercenaries AEthelstan aims to deploy and exploit - Higson vaguely situates our hero, by contrast with the villain, in the conservative (with a small c) centre ground of politics, the most appropriate place for him and implicitly where the films have tended to locate him too (sexual licentiousness and license to kill aside). Higson's characterisation of Bond is, as we agree, largely Flemingesque, yet his centre-ground positioning sheds from Bond personally the excesses of an imperialist mentality sometimes evident in Fleming's OO7, transposing the lion's share of reactionary rhetoric to the villain - and his ridiculous entourage - instead.
This is a more sophisticated, satirical work of its title (a title which ajb-ers had predicted last year, albeit for a film, when Charles III succeeded to the throne) than the humourless, 'The Day Of The Jackal' type of approach to Coronation Day that one might have expected or got. In the coda, Higson's dramatic business with the poisoned ink pen flirts as closely with an actual 'royal incident' as the Palace might be happy with. ("King Charles III became frustrated with a leaking pen when signing a book at Hillsborough Castle, an official residence in Northern Ireland ... remarking on how the pen was leaking." - BBC News, 14th September, 2022) This is all part of the joke, making Bondian fantasy out of nothing of consequence, using something trivial that had already occurred before the book's publication rather than depicting mayhem on Coronation Day itself.
Critics and material I don't need. I haven't changed my act in 50 years.
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Barbel said;
Finished it about 90 minutes ago. Rapid pace, plenty references to Fleming (OHMSS, of course, but others too) and more surprisingly Gardner.
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how do the Fleming references work if this Bond is 30something in 2023?
did he still play cards with le Chiffre in 1951 or so, for example, or has that event been moved to somewhere in the relatively recent past?
That sounds very interesting. I'm especially intrigued by the references to Gardner. I believe Charlie Higson gives the pronunciation of both of the more unusual names in the second interview with Catching Bullets posted below:
I must watch that, I'd like to see an in-depth with him.
I think Caiboche is a wonderful name for a Bond baddie 😁 Does it have any meaning for US readers? I'm not sure if they use it there.
I've watched both interviews and they're great and spoiler free. It's nice to know a bit of the background before you delve into the story. Caiboche is a good name. Gardner similarly had Caber while Faulks had Chagrin.
Le Chiffre doesn't get a mention. OHMSS isn't mentioned by name, obviously, just Bond recalling that he learned about heraldry for a job a few years ago. Quite a few, as we know.
I have no idea how to say her name! I kept thinking he was going to hit us with a clever nickname but it never arrived.
mtm sez:
I think Caiboche is a wonderful name for a Bond baddie 😁 Does it have any meaning for US readers? I'm not sure if they use it there.
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I think ... to put the Kibosh on someone is to put an end to their run of luck
I'm in the next Colony over, but its certainly a phrase used in plenty of American films and tv shows. I'm sure Seinfeld said it, maybe even Bogart.
its a bit similar to Jinx, isnt it, also a Bond character name
how is this unpronounceable BondGirl's name spelt?
barbel sez:
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OHMSS isn't mentioned by name, obviously, just Bond recalling that he learned about heraldry for a job a few years ago.
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this makes sense, the sliding timeline. keep dates vague so long as theres no real-world context needed. Blofeld's bioterror plot could just as easily have happened yesterday, maybe even more likely as genetic monocultures have become so prevalent in agriculture round the world, cashcrops today would be even more vulnerable,
and I can see why Bond'd be reminiscing about his heraldry training given the context of this book, even if he doesnt mention the rest of the adventure with Blofeld.
I think ... to put the Kibosh on someone is to put an end to their run of luck
I'm in the next Colony over, but its certainly a phrase used in plenty of American films and tv shows. I'm sure Seinfeld said it, maybe even Bogart.
Ah great, thanks; I couldn't think of hearing it in a US context but was aware I may have just missed it.
how is this unpronounceable BondGirl's name spelt?
It's Ragnheiður, which seems to be pronounced Rrrag-n-heydur I think.
Curiously her full name is Ragnheiður Ragnarsdóttir, which is the name of a famous Icelandic swimmer-turned-actress. Not quite sure why he's done that.
@caractacus potts, it has a probably unique character in it which is not on my keyboard so I'm not going to try.
I should have mentioned above that there are a few expies of real life people in it. This is as active people in the book,as opposed to mention being given to, say, Putin, Macron, Trump, etc. I have what I hope are good guesses as to who they're based on, but opinions may differ. The only real person with an active part is, of course, King Charles.
here's Crazy Joe Devola accusing Jerry of putting the kibosh on him in a classic episode of Seinfeld (seriously I could recite the dialog of most of this episode from memory, its the one where they go to the opera)
Seinfeld may use a wider range of exotic vocabulary than the typical American sitcom, though. Theres another one where Elaine says "blimey" for no apparent reason.
how to pronounce Ragnheiður Ragnarsdóttir ???
I think this may be a mission for @Special Agent TwoFour, he's friends with all them Vikings
One slight criticism - it could have done with another proofreading but given the timescale involved that's easily overlooked.
Yes, @Barbel, I think CH mentions this in his interview with DZ, that he wishes he'd had more time to proofread, or it contains a few errors or words to that effect.
While Norwegian and Icelandic obviously are related, the two languages are so different I have to speak English when speaking to Icelanders. Icelandic is much closer to Old Norse than the modern Scandinavian languages. However when I visited the country I found I could understand (or guess at) a good portion of the written language. I also learned a bit about Old Norse at school. So I'll try:
Icelandic uses hard consonants, for example the R's will be closer to a Scottish pronounciation (and then some). When it comes to vowels the A is pronounced much like in "barn". EI is said like in "Geiger". The letter that looks like small D only exists in Old Norse and modern Icelandic and it's said like TH in "the". U is said like the last sound in "new". The ò in dòttir (daughter) I think is pronounced like the O in "born". The I is like the I in ..... "in".
I don't know if it matters, but the name means something like "luminous/pure decision" and "daughter of Ragnar".
Now I'll cross my fingers and hope no-one who really knows Old Norse or Icelandic ever reads this ... 😂
Thanks, TRK, I haven't seen that one yet.
I've read the novel on and off over the last couple of days, finished it and liked it. It's a good short read. Despite the topicality and contemporary setting of the novel, Higson's new Bond feels like Fleming's Bond to me, reassuringly familiar. The book tries to be as faithful in spirit to Fleming, in its way, as those Bond novels by others - principally Horowitz - which are conceived as period pieces and imagined as insertions in/ extensions to Fleming's continuity. Indeed, post-Horowitz, Higson's different method of transposing to today a determinedly Flemingesque Bond, M and OO section (section, surely, rather than "department"), in a re-booted continuity, seems like the most viable way forward for Bond fiction.
Higson's reference to a previous case involving knowledge of heraldry suggests a past for his new Bond which, though not the same as Fleming's Bond's past - how could it be, given the generational difference? - somehow mirrors it. That's clever. And Higson seems to go out of his way to emphasise that Bond and the new Bond girl are not the marrying kind. This not only sets out a marker of difference from Fleming's 'On Her Majesty's Secret Service' but also, possibly, fires a literary shot across Barbara Broccoli's bows, given Eon's installation of Craig-Bond (dec.) in a family unit.
All that is true, @Shady Tree A nicely observed swift review
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Thanks, @chrisno1 I've Just read your own thoughtful review, from earlier in the thread. I'd go along with most of your criticisms, though the novel's flaws probably bother me less.
There's a deep vein of satirical comedy to Higson's conception of the villain, AEthelstan, an almost (Boris) Johnsonian, self-aggrandising caricature, mendaciously trucking - for cynical, selfish ends - with extreme right-wingers (themselves imagined like sponsors of some para-military wing of the Tory ERG!)
Had the novel been longer there might even have been scope for including a Liz Truss figure, perhaps as an Irma Bunt-type consort for AEthelstan. Indeed, at one point, when conveying AEthelstan's secretly held, contemptuous opinion of his acolytes, Higson uses the phrase, "useful idiots", echoing the insult reportedly used about Kwasi Kwateng in 2022 by city traders who saw the opportunity to make a killing from his/ Truss's disastrous fiscal project. (Incidentally, Higson's AEthelstan devotee Lord Bonkers, in his pink trousers, somehow conjures in my mind, probably unfairly, an image of the Johnsonite Rt. Hon. Member for Lichfield!)
Pitching Bond against AEthelstan - and against the fruitcake stall of extremists and mercenaries AEthelstan aims to deploy and exploit - Higson vaguely situates our hero, by contrast with the villain, in the conservative (with a small c) centre ground of politics, the most appropriate place for him and implicitly where the films have tended to locate him too (sexual licentiousness and license to kill aside). Higson's characterisation of Bond is, as we agree, largely Flemingesque, yet his centre-ground positioning sheds from Bond personally the excesses of an imperialist mentality sometimes evident in Fleming's OO7, transposing the lion's share of reactionary rhetoric to the villain - and his ridiculous entourage - instead.
This is a more sophisticated, satirical work of its title (a title which ajb-ers had predicted last year, albeit for a film, when Charles III succeeded to the throne) than the humourless, 'The Day Of The Jackal' type of approach to Coronation Day that one might have expected or got. In the coda, Higson's dramatic business with the poisoned ink pen flirts as closely with an actual 'royal incident' as the Palace might be happy with. ("King Charles III became frustrated with a leaking pen when signing a book at Hillsborough Castle, an official residence in Northern Ireland ... remarking on how the pen was leaking." - BBC News, 14th September, 2022) This is all part of the joke, making Bondian fantasy out of nothing of consequence, using something trivial that had already occurred before the book's publication rather than depicting mayhem on Coronation Day itself.