Yep, point made, you don't like her, got it. I mention her again because she's in the Bond singer mould, British, bit jazzy, does big emotional orchestral songs, has a powerful voice; is currently popular and zeitgeisty (she won more Brits last year than any other artist has ever won), and has now performed at the Oscars so obviously has US presence, and is clearly not averse to singing a Bond song. She's kind of the current answer to Adele, if not quite at the height she was at in 2012 (yet?). She just seems the most likely candidate to me, subjective opinions on whether you like her or not aside. Maybe she'll disappear by the time the next film is made, who knows.
As opposed to St Vincent (who is great, but not exactly at the top of her wave of popularity, and not really hugely Bondish) or Last Dinner party (who are fun, but kind of one hit wonders at the moment and again, not really typical Bond artists- not exactly Bassey-style in terms of holding a note) she just seems more likely to be one they've got their eyes on.
I actually wonder if Eon had a hand in the singer choices for the Oscars, I wonder if they're artists they've had their eyes on and were hoping to hint to Amazon a bit.
Maybe it was an off night for Raye. I don't have any issues with her personally or professionally beyond the performance that I saw at the Oscars (which I thought was awful), so I'd be willing to give her another chance.
As to the Oscars selecting artists to perform songs: I recall the ceremony when, in horror, Phil Collins had to sit in the audience aghast while Ann Reinking butchered a performance art version of 'Against All Odds'.
I'd like to see a return to a harder more rockin' Bond theme like the CR theme. We've had enough sad laments, shoe gazing, and torch songs. I want something that announces the bad assed blunt instrument is back and if you get in his way there will be blood.
Historically, there have been too many instances of other artists covering great songs and/or making them into song and dance numbers at the Oscars and much of the results have been cringeworthy. Either get the actual artist to perform the song or if that isn't possible, just play the actual song over a montage of clips from the film.
They need to really rethink The Oscars, it's a terrible show every year. And if movie companies aren't advertising actual films in the advert breaks, what does that tell you about them.
Honestly, whatever it is you want to argue about, sure, yes you're right. You win at whatever this is. It's apparently hilarious to even mention her in the same sentence as Adele and she's rubbish at singing; your only comments about her have been critical but it's of course awful of me to have assumed that means you're not keen on her... honestly, fine, sure - hence my 'whatever' over the page. I've tried to agree to disagree but you keep going, so I'm sure you'll want the last word, even though I'm not sure what it is you're trying to argue about. But yes, well done, you win, can we stop now?
I'm just here talking about prospective Bond artists as per the title of the thread, I'm not trying to ridicule anyone or catch anyone out about 'truths'. I don't have a crystal ball so I can't say who's going to be doing well two years from now; all we can do here is talk about is people on the up right now, and she is that. St Vincent was probably at the peak of her popularity about eight to ten years ago so it's not going to be her, great though she is. And I agree, Muse are well past their time to do one as well, it will be either someone who is at full timeless international legend status (by which I mean, I dunno, the Stones or Beyonce, that kind of established) or someone currently popular; the likes of St Vincent and Muse don't fit either category. Personally I think it makes sense to go with someone a bit current as it brings a bit of relevancy and vitality to your movie and you'll probably get more promotion that way. They don't really go for 'legend' artists all that much anyway; the last one was probably, what, Tina Turner? Even Madonna was coming out of a bit of a purple patch of popularity at the time she did hers and was pretty current.
I heard this by Lady Blackbird on the radio before Christmas and I thought it even sounded like a Bond song, maybe she'll get big by the next movie, who knows.
Luke Spiller, lead singer of The Struts recently released a song called 'Love will probably kill me before Cigarettes and Wine'. It has echoes of Nobody Does it Better with a huge orchestra behind it. Definitely a contender for a new Bond theme.
In all honesty I've always championed Justin Hawkins as he's done a video on what it takes to create a Bond theme and he clearly understands the assignment and would satisfy the rock/campy element. He's not to everyone's taste but he's so much more than just a high pitched **** rocker.
How dare I take a contrary stance and actually voice an opinion 🙄
You think it’s better to go with someone “a bit more current”….what..?…like Matt Munro, Shirley Bassey, Tom Jones, Nancy Sinatra, Lulu, Carly Simon, Rita Coolidge, Gladys Knight, Chris Cornell…and I’m giving you a pass on a couple of others…yea finger on the pulse right there 🤣🤣
Sigh, as expected you can't let it go. I'm not touchy about this nonsense; as before my response to your childish provocations remains: whatever.
Strange point to try and make. When they were picked to do their songs most of them were extremely current, yes: Tom Jones had literally had his first hit ('It's Not Unusual') just months before Thunderball was released- how much more current do you want? You're trying to be sarcastic about 'finger on the pulse' but that was probably the most finger on the pulse they've ever been with a singer selection. You can put all the laughing emojis on it you like but it still shows very little insight into the subject: it's not even the first time I've mentioned that about Jones in this thread, you didn't have far to look.
I agree Cornell was an odd pick, I never quite understood that, but even he had just had a number one album on the Billboard chart when he sang his Bond song, so not exactly off the pulse either. You think Matt Munro, Tom Jones, Shirley Bassey, Nancy Sinatra ('Boots are made for walking' one year before YOLT), Paul McCartney, Duran Duran, a-Ha, Sheryl Crow, Sam Smith, Adele, Sheena Easton, Madonna, Billie Eilish etc. etc. weren't selling rather well at the times they did they songs? For example Matt Munro started recording/being popular about three years before FRWL and was at his most popular then, I'm not sure what you mean. They're not all very current artists now, no, but they haven't been picked to do the song now.
Right back at you…this is your MO…take offence at absolutely nothing at all and then bleat on about it the whole time, trying to play the wounded party 🙄 get over yourself. You have to always try and belittle the other person…claiming they have little insight or knowledge…while trying to ingratiate yourself with someone else on the thread!
I purposely didn’t mention Wings, Duran Duran, a~ha, et al because they were current…but once again - you had to bring them in as though I had dismissed them to try and prove whatever point you are trying to make.
As I said, it’s what you do.
As a~ha said…Touchy.
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Sir MilesThe Wrong Side Of The WardrobePosts: 30,881Chief of Staff
Okay, ignoring the usual provocation stuff (and I’m going to suggest again: agree to disagree on Raye), I’m not only saying Wings and a-Ha were current, I’m saying pretty much all of the others you named were too. You sarcastically said Tom Jones was ‘finger on the pulse right there’ (I can’t paraphrase as you see any deviation from your exact words as yet another bit of ammo for abuse) and I pointed out exactly how fresh and newly minted he was as a star when they picked him. And that was only one example from your list- I’m not going to go through them one by one, but I’ve already addressed several. You seem to have missed that bit for some reason and mischaracterised my point as if I only talked about artists not on your list. I wonder why you suggest he wasn’t ’finger on the pulse’.
You say ‘whatever point I’m trying to make’.. it’s really not a very complicated one, despite that you seem to be responding to things I haven’t said.
Here is the bit I said which you leapt upon as if it were the most controversial statement: “I think it makes sense to go with someone a bit current” I didn’t say they always have done, I didn’t say the artists were always as fresh as Jones was, I was in fact making no comment on the previous artists chosen even though I think they do mostly fit that mould (which, I know I need to specify with you, means there were exceptions), I just said they don’t go for the legends all that often.
My completely unprovable theory re: Chris Cornell - a song by his band Audioslave was used to great effect in Michael Mann's 2004 film Collateral, and that got him on Eon's radar. The final result (which was as much David Arnold as it was Cornell) was very different, of course, but it was Cornell playing in a similar space, genre-wise.
Raye seems a decent singer with a couple strikes against her on Oscar night-
1: She and the orchestra needed another rehearsal or two. The timing was off;
2: Skyfall is too recent a song to be, uh, reinventing it to that degree. The other two songs have been covered to hell and back, so I gave them both more leeway (and the K-Pop girl Lisa did fine).
Sure, Doja Cat was no Shirley Bassey, but no one is. That's on the Oscars for not booking Shirley Bassey (who was performing on stage as of two weeks ago).
Showmanship-wise, what would have been cool is to have the younger singers start things off, and then end with Dame Shirley taking the stage.
Oh yes, that would have been a cracking finale, you're right.
I've never hugely rated Dame Shirley- she's a bit strident for my liking, - give me Dionne Warwick's Kiss Kiss Bang Bang over hers any day. But I did go to the 60th anniversary 007 concert, and I must admit that finally seeing her do Goldfinger and Diamonds in person was pretty amazing and worth going in itself: I didn't expect to be blown away quite as much as I was.
Sir MilesThe Wrong Side Of The WardrobePosts: 30,881Chief of Staff
What is it you think that table shows? I see a number one gold-selling, debut single (top ten in the US) and two in the top twenty (one going to no.3 in the US), and they get him to do a Bond song within a few months. What's your definition of 'finger on the pulse'? I'm genuinely baffled as to what you're arguing here. You're saying he wasn't a current artist in 1965? Despite having had three international hit singles in his first year?
Sir MilesThe Wrong Side Of The WardrobePosts: 30,881Chief of Staff
Then stop asking questions and showing yourself up 🙄
For a start that table shows you can’t read a table 🤣🤣 his debut single doesn’t even chart 🤣 and I’d hardly call number 42 a ‘hit’ single…then a complete miss and a number 125…but if you do 🤗
I'm not arguing in the slightest…but if that’s the spin you want to put on it - as it’s only when people disagree with you then they are ‘arguing’ 🙄
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Irina held a note better 🤣
See, not everything I say is bad 😌
Honestly, I'd love to hear U2 sing a Bond theme! Bono and Edge have written a Bond theme. Now let them perform one.
I'd still like to see Muse rip out a Bond theme.
Yep, point made, you don't like her, got it. I mention her again because she's in the Bond singer mould, British, bit jazzy, does big emotional orchestral songs, has a powerful voice; is currently popular and zeitgeisty (she won more Brits last year than any other artist has ever won), and has now performed at the Oscars so obviously has US presence, and is clearly not averse to singing a Bond song. She's kind of the current answer to Adele, if not quite at the height she was at in 2012 (yet?). She just seems the most likely candidate to me, subjective opinions on whether you like her or not aside. Maybe she'll disappear by the time the next film is made, who knows.
As opposed to St Vincent (who is great, but not exactly at the top of her wave of popularity, and not really hugely Bondish) or Last Dinner party (who are fun, but kind of one hit wonders at the moment and again, not really typical Bond artists- not exactly Bassey-style in terms of holding a note) she just seems more likely to be one they've got their eyes on.
I actually wonder if Eon had a hand in the singer choices for the Oscars, I wonder if they're artists they've had their eyes on and were hoping to hint to Amazon a bit.
Maybe it was an off night for Raye. I don't have any issues with her personally or professionally beyond the performance that I saw at the Oscars (which I thought was awful), so I'd be willing to give her another chance.
As to the Oscars selecting artists to perform songs: I recall the ceremony when, in horror, Phil Collins had to sit in the audience aghast while Ann Reinking butchered a performance art version of 'Against All Odds'.
The worst thing is that Phil was actually there, present at the Oscars.
I'd like to see a return to a harder more rockin' Bond theme like the CR theme. We've had enough sad laments, shoe gazing, and torch songs. I want something that announces the bad assed blunt instrument is back and if you get in his way there will be blood.
Historically, there have been too many instances of other artists covering great songs and/or making them into song and dance numbers at the Oscars and much of the results have been cringeworthy. Either get the actual artist to perform the song or if that isn't possible, just play the actual song over a montage of clips from the film.
They need to really rethink The Oscars, it's a terrible show every year. And if movie companies aren't advertising actual films in the advert breaks, what does that tell you about them.
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Hence my desire to see Muse kick out a banger.
Did I say that? 🤔 Oh no, I didn’t…I said she was awful at the Oscars and not Shirley Bassey. But don’t let the truth spoil your ‘fun’.🙄
If she’s the current answer to Adele then I’m not really sure what the question is? 🤣
Yep, very much like yourself - I was mentioning acts that were riding a wave back then…will Raye still be a name in a couple of years time?
Are Muse still going?
To the best of my knowledge, yes. I know the bassist is doing a solo project but the band still exists.
That last album of theirs was dog fertilizer, though.
Honestly, whatever it is you want to argue about, sure, yes you're right. You win at whatever this is. It's apparently hilarious to even mention her in the same sentence as Adele and she's rubbish at singing; your only comments about her have been critical but it's of course awful of me to have assumed that means you're not keen on her... honestly, fine, sure - hence my 'whatever' over the page. I've tried to agree to disagree but you keep going, so I'm sure you'll want the last word, even though I'm not sure what it is you're trying to argue about. But yes, well done, you win, can we stop now?
I'm just here talking about prospective Bond artists as per the title of the thread, I'm not trying to ridicule anyone or catch anyone out about 'truths'. I don't have a crystal ball so I can't say who's going to be doing well two years from now; all we can do here is talk about is people on the up right now, and she is that. St Vincent was probably at the peak of her popularity about eight to ten years ago so it's not going to be her, great though she is. And I agree, Muse are well past their time to do one as well, it will be either someone who is at full timeless international legend status (by which I mean, I dunno, the Stones or Beyonce, that kind of established) or someone currently popular; the likes of St Vincent and Muse don't fit either category. Personally I think it makes sense to go with someone a bit current as it brings a bit of relevancy and vitality to your movie and you'll probably get more promotion that way. They don't really go for 'legend' artists all that much anyway; the last one was probably, what, Tina Turner? Even Madonna was coming out of a bit of a purple patch of popularity at the time she did hers and was pretty current.
I heard this by Lady Blackbird on the radio before Christmas and I thought it even sounded like a Bond song, maybe she'll get big by the next movie, who knows.
Luke Spiller, lead singer of The Struts recently released a song called 'Love will probably kill me before Cigarettes and Wine'. It has echoes of Nobody Does it Better with a huge orchestra behind it. Definitely a contender for a new Bond theme.
In all honesty I've always championed Justin Hawkins as he's done a video on what it takes to create a Bond theme and he clearly understands the assignment and would satisfy the rock/campy element. He's not to everyone's taste but he's so much more than just a high pitched **** rocker.
I've not heard that before, that's a good song, thanks. I can definitely see what you mean about the Nobody Does it Better thing too.
Wow…touchy much 🤣
How dare I take a contrary stance and actually voice an opinion 🙄
You think it’s better to go with someone “a bit more current”….what..?…like Matt Munro, Shirley Bassey, Tom Jones, Nancy Sinatra, Lulu, Carly Simon, Rita Coolidge, Gladys Knight, Chris Cornell…and I’m giving you a pass on a couple of others…yea finger on the pulse right there 🤣🤣
Sigh, as expected you can't let it go. I'm not touchy about this nonsense; as before my response to your childish provocations remains: whatever.
Strange point to try and make. When they were picked to do their songs most of them were extremely current, yes: Tom Jones had literally had his first hit ('It's Not Unusual') just months before Thunderball was released- how much more current do you want? You're trying to be sarcastic about 'finger on the pulse' but that was probably the most finger on the pulse they've ever been with a singer selection. You can put all the laughing emojis on it you like but it still shows very little insight into the subject: it's not even the first time I've mentioned that about Jones in this thread, you didn't have far to look.
I agree Cornell was an odd pick, I never quite understood that, but even he had just had a number one album on the Billboard chart when he sang his Bond song, so not exactly off the pulse either. You think Matt Munro, Tom Jones, Shirley Bassey, Nancy Sinatra ('Boots are made for walking' one year before YOLT), Paul McCartney, Duran Duran, a-Ha, Sheryl Crow, Sam Smith, Adele, Sheena Easton, Madonna, Billie Eilish etc. etc. weren't selling rather well at the times they did they songs? For example Matt Munro started recording/being popular about three years before FRWL and was at his most popular then, I'm not sure what you mean. They're not all very current artists now, no, but they haven't been picked to do the song now.
Ha! Yes I think he needs to book in there. 😅
Right back at you…this is your MO…take offence at absolutely nothing at all and then bleat on about it the whole time, trying to play the wounded party 🙄 get over yourself. You have to always try and belittle the other person…claiming they have little insight or knowledge…while trying to ingratiate yourself with someone else on the thread!
I purposely didn’t mention Wings, Duran Duran, a~ha, et al because they were current…but once again - you had to bring them in as though I had dismissed them to try and prove whatever point you are trying to make.
As I said, it’s what you do.
As a~ha said…Touchy.
It will go on for days with him 🙄
Okay, ignoring the usual provocation stuff (and I’m going to suggest again: agree to disagree on Raye), I’m not only saying Wings and a-Ha were current, I’m saying pretty much all of the others you named were too. You sarcastically said Tom Jones was ‘finger on the pulse right there’ (I can’t paraphrase as you see any deviation from your exact words as yet another bit of ammo for abuse) and I pointed out exactly how fresh and newly minted he was as a star when they picked him. And that was only one example from your list- I’m not going to go through them one by one, but I’ve already addressed several. You seem to have missed that bit for some reason and mischaracterised my point as if I only talked about artists not on your list. I wonder why you suggest he wasn’t ’finger on the pulse’.
You say ‘whatever point I’m trying to make’.. it’s really not a very complicated one, despite that you seem to be responding to things I haven’t said.
Here is the bit I said which you leapt upon as if it were the most controversial statement: “I think it makes sense to go with someone a bit current” I didn’t say they always have done, I didn’t say the artists were always as fresh as Jones was, I was in fact making no comment on the previous artists chosen even though I think they do mostly fit that mould (which, I know I need to specify with you, means there were exceptions), I just said they don’t go for the legends all that often.
My completely unprovable theory re: Chris Cornell - a song by his band Audioslave was used to great effect in Michael Mann's 2004 film Collateral, and that got him on Eon's radar. The final result (which was as much David Arnold as it was Cornell) was very different, of course, but it was Cornell playing in a similar space, genre-wise.
Raye seems a decent singer with a couple strikes against her on Oscar night-
1: She and the orchestra needed another rehearsal or two. The timing was off;
2: Skyfall is too recent a song to be, uh, reinventing it to that degree. The other two songs have been covered to hell and back, so I gave them both more leeway (and the K-Pop girl Lisa did fine).
Sure, Doja Cat was no Shirley Bassey, but no one is. That's on the Oscars for not booking Shirley Bassey (who was performing on stage as of two weeks ago).
Showmanship-wise, what would have been cool is to have the younger singers start things off, and then end with Dame Shirley taking the stage.
Oh yes, that would have been a cracking finale, you're right.
I've never hugely rated Dame Shirley- she's a bit strident for my liking, - give me Dionne Warwick's Kiss Kiss Bang Bang over hers any day. But I did go to the 60th anniversary 007 concert, and I must admit that finally seeing her do Goldfinger and Diamonds in person was pretty amazing and worth going in itself: I didn't expect to be blown away quite as much as I was.
Tom Jones was current 🤣 now who is lacking insight? 👀
Hardly a “finger on the pulse” artist…but go ahead and twist it whatever way you wish…that’s what you always do 🙄
Keep on bleating and playing the wounded party though 👍🏻
As I said, and I repeat - touchy much☺️
I understand why political threads go wrong and become personal, but I see no reason why this thread isn't good-natured ....
Oh gosh, he's still going.
What is it you think that table shows? I see a number one gold-selling, debut single (top ten in the US) and two in the top twenty (one going to no.3 in the US), and they get him to do a Bond song within a few months. What's your definition of 'finger on the pulse'? I'm genuinely baffled as to what you're arguing here. You're saying he wasn't a current artist in 1965? Despite having had three international hit singles in his first year?
Then stop asking questions and showing yourself up 🙄
For a start that table shows you can’t read a table 🤣🤣 his debut single doesn’t even chart 🤣 and I’d hardly call number 42 a ‘hit’ single…then a complete miss and a number 125…but if you do 🤗
I'm not arguing in the slightest…but if that’s the spin you want to put on it - as it’s only when people disagree with you then they are ‘arguing’ 🙄
VERY touchy 😶