No Time To Die

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  • bonded123bonded123 Posts: 291MI6 Agent
    edited August 2019
    005 wrote:
    For the first minute or so I didn't like it because it sounds generic.

    Didn't take long for me to come around. I love it now. Yes, it has 'die' in the title. But I like that it has multiple meanings:
    - This is no time to die! - I have a mission to complete!
    - I have no time to die! - I'm busy with stuff!
    - Dr No time to die?
    - There is no good time to die..

    Ultimately the film will be judged on it's quality rather than it's title. I'm sure if the spy who loved me was awful we'd hate that title, and if die another day was great we'd love that one.

    Ian Fleming wrote one Bond novel with the word 'die' included: LIVE AND LET DIE. He never referenced the word again. LIVE AND LET DIE was a clever twist on the adage 'Live and Let Live'. Ian Fleming was clever and imaginative. The Bond producers (Babs and MG), however, are not clever nor imaginative. They have rehashed the word 'die' three times.

    TOMORROW NEVER DIES
    DIE ANOTHER DAY
    NO TIME TO DIE

    Proof they have zero imagination. I don't know if the writers come up with the titles or it's all down to the producers but it's the same lack of imagination. Zero desire to do anything different. I suppose we should be grateful we had a title like SKYFALL. That sounded a bit Fleming and it was an integral part of the plot - the family home of Bond. But NO TIME TO DIE is so generic and proof Eon are creatively bankrupt. Let's hope the film has a modicum of freshness or if not freshness, some old stuff done in a different way. Given the generic title, I have my doubts.
  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,529MI6 Agent
    bonded123 wrote:
    005 wrote:
    For the first minute or so I didn't like it because it sounds generic.

    Didn't take long for me to come around. I love it now. Yes, it has 'die' in the title. But I like that it has multiple meanings:
    - This is no time to die! - I have a mission to complete!
    - I have no time to die! - I'm busy with stuff!
    - Dr No time to die?
    - There is no good time to die..

    Ultimately the film will be judged on it's quality rather than it's title. I'm sure if the spy who loved me was awful we'd hate that title, and if die another day was great we'd love that one.

    Ian Fleming wrote one Bond novel with the word 'die' included: LIVE AND LET DIE. He never referenced the word again. LIVE AND LET DIE was a clever twist on the adage 'Live and Let Live'. Ian Fleming was clever and imaginative. The Bond producers (Babs and MG), however, are not clever nor imaginative. They have rehashed the word 'die' three times.

    TOMORROW NEVER DIES
    DIE ANOTHER DAY
    NO TIME TO DIE

    Proof they have zero imagination. I don't know if the writers come up with the titles or it's all down to the producers but it's the same lack of imagination. Zero desire to do anything different. I suppose we should be grateful we had a title like SKYFALL. That sounded a bit Fleming and it was an integral part of the plot - the family home of Bond. But NO TIME TO DIE is so generic and proof Eon are creatively bankrupt. Let's hope the film has a modicum of freshness or if not freshness, some old stuff done in a different way. Given the generic title, I have my doubts.

    It's true that they have no imagination when it comes to this title. It's not only similar to other Bond titles, it's a title that the Broccoli family previously gave one of their films. But it sounds like a Bond title, and that counts for a lot. Even though Quantum of Solace was an original Fleming title, it didn't have the kind of Bond title that people expected, and I think that hurt the film. I had the new logo on my screen at work, and someone came up to me and said, "So that's the new Bond film?" She knew right away it was a Bond film from that title, and she didn't even notice the 007 logo in it. Being that it was my screen may have given away that I was looking at something Bond related, but she liked the title because it sounded like a Bond title. Sometimes generic helps.
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  • superadosuperado Regent's Park West (CaliforniaPosts: 2,560MI6 Agent
    I like the title and the way it sounds and hope it’s actually relevant to the plot, just like TND :)) ...and it’s not just a rehash of “die,” it states it with a negative modifier to negate death, as in TND, by postponing it, as in DAD. Hmmmm?
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  • HarveyMushmanHarveyMushman Posts: 289MI6 Agent
    Has anyone managed to identify the suit, shoes, socks and underpants he is wearing yet? I want to buy them all :))
  • superadosuperado Regent's Park West (CaliforniaPosts: 2,560MI6 Agent
    Has anyone managed to identify the suit, shoes, socks and underpants he is wearing yet? I want to buy them all :))

    :))
    "...the purposeful slant of his striding figure looked dangerous, as if he was making quickly for something bad that was happening further down the street." -SMERSH on 007 dossier photo, Ch. 6 FRWL.....
  • 005005 Posts: 138MI6 Agent
    bonded123 wrote:
    005 wrote:
    For the first minute or so I didn't like it because it sounds generic.

    Didn't take long for me to come around. I love it now. Yes, it has 'die' in the title. But I like that it has multiple meanings:
    - This is no time to die! - I have a mission to complete!
    - I have no time to die! - I'm busy with stuff!
    - Dr No time to die?
    - There is no good time to die..

    Ultimately the film will be judged on it's quality rather than it's title. I'm sure if the spy who loved me was awful we'd hate that title, and if die another day was great we'd love that one.

    Ian Fleming wrote one Bond novel with the word 'die' included: LIVE AND LET DIE. He never referenced the word again. LIVE AND LET DIE was a clever twist on the adage 'Live and Let Live'. Ian Fleming was clever and imaginative. The Bond producers (Babs and MG), however, are not clever nor imaginative. They have rehashed the word 'die' three times.

    TOMORROW NEVER DIES
    DIE ANOTHER DAY
    NO TIME TO DIE

    Proof they have zero imagination. I don't know if the writers come up with the titles or it's all down to the producers but it's the same lack of imagination. Zero desire to do anything different. I suppose we should be grateful we had a title like SKYFALL. That sounded a bit Fleming and it was an integral part of the plot - the family home of Bond. But NO TIME TO DIE is so generic and proof Eon are creatively bankrupt. Let's hope the film has a modicum of freshness or if not freshness, some old stuff done in a different way. Given the generic title, I have my doubts.

    You confuse proof with evidence. The title proves nothing.
  • 005005 Posts: 138MI6 Agent
    MrZareba wrote:
    The font they used is Futura Black if anyone is wondering!

    https://www.myfonts.com/fonts/bitstream/futura-black/

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  • James SuzukiJames Suzuki New ZealandPosts: 2,390MI6 Agent
    So I talked to two Non Bond films about the title.
    They both liked it.
    "It's Classic Bond."
    Another said.
    "The title is OK but the art design is ace."
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  • Mr SnowMr Snow Station "J" JamaicaPosts: 1,733MI6 Agent
    bonded123 wrote:
    I think the title is awful. In terms of originality - or lack of! - I'd rate it the worst title of the franchise. It's like Eon are taking the piss coming up with such a generic 'die' title. Here are some alternative titles. Perhaps Eon will consider them for Bond 26? :D

    TIME FOR THE FRANCHISE TO DIE

    DIE, BOND, DIE!

    DIE ANOTHER DAY - PART TWO

    DIE PIE SKY

    :D

    Totally agree, as you mentioned this is the 4th time the word 'DIE' has been used. Personally I would have liked 'Shaken, not Stirred' but each to their own.

    Who knows what Bond 26 will be called? I'll speculate with 'DIE A REAR'. (I'll get my coat)
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  • Golrush007Golrush007 South AfricaPosts: 3,100Quartermasters
    My reaction to the title has been pretty positive.

    Firstly, I'm glad that the name Bond 25 can now be retired.

    Secondly, although it is somewhat generic, it sounds Bondish, almost like a Fleming chapter title.

    Thirdly, I like the chunky retro font style a lot. It's a nice break from the typefaces that have been used for the Craig films so far. I suspect that it will carry over to the movie posters. In fact I will be a little disappointed if it doesn't.
  • zaphod99zaphod99 Posts: 1,405MI6 Agent
    Couldn't give a stuff about the Font. Ithink its a symptom of how starved of news we are that its had so much discussion here.
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  • emtiememtiem SurreyPosts: 4,225MI6 Agent
    Revelator wrote:
    emtiem wrote:
    The graphic design is very contemporary and now

    The font is the same as that used on The Love Boat...a TV show from the 1970s. Just as the title is the same as that of a Columbo episode from 1992. God knows how contemporary the rest of the film will be!

    A lot of fonts are very old; I think this one is from the 20s. It’s the choice and how it’s used that is a big part of design.
  • emtiememtiem SurreyPosts: 4,225MI6 Agent
    Revelator wrote:
    Matt S wrote:
    the title is from a Terence Young/Cubby Broccoli film from 1958.

    I'm guessing if Bond 26 will be titled Zarak then.

    Haven’t you done that gag already? I swear I’ve read it before, which is ironic.
  • JTMJTM Posts: 2,977MI6 Agent
    edited August 2019
    OGG007 wrote:
    bonded123 wrote:
    I think the title is awful. In terms of originality - or lack of! - I'd rate it the worst title of the franchise. It's like Eon are taking the piss coming up with such a generic 'die' title. Here are some alternative titles. Perhaps Eon will consider them for Bond 26? :D

    TIME FOR THE FRANCHISE TO DIE

    DIE, BOND, DIE!

    DIE ANOTHER DAY - PART TWO

    DIE PIE SKY

    :D

    Totally agree, as you mentioned this is the 4th time the word 'DIE' has been used. Personally I would have liked 'Shaken, not Stirred' but each to their own.

    Who knows what Bond 26 will be called? I'll speculate with 'DIE A REAR'. (I'll get my coat)

    I'm really not sure what the issue you blokes have with "Die" being used again for NTTD—it's only the fourth time it's in a title...out of 25 films...16 percent.

    Just be glad each title doesn't start with "James Bond: ..." like so many other series are now stuck with. Bond films don't need to mention Bond in the title, they're in a unique position where certain words/phrasing used have the ability to more or less shout out to the public that "this is the title of a James Bond film"—one of those words being "die", something that I definitely don't think is of place in a series where the main character is essentially an assassin. I'm actually quite surprised it hasn't been used in more of the titles TBH.

    Anyway, whatever the title ended up being, we would have had people arguing, that's just the nature of the beast. I like it and it's made me even more excited for some additional info though some set pics or the teaser trailer.
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 18,133MI6 Agent
    Matt S wrote:
    Number24 wrote:
    emtiem wrote:

    The graphic design is very contemporary and now, and I can't think of many other films that look that stylish with their typography.

    Is that graphic design really that contemporary? It looks retro to me.

    It can be contemporary if that retro look is fashionable.

    Absolutely, but is that retro look fashinable?
  • Smithers500Smithers500 Spectre IslandPosts: 1,038MI6 Agent
    I don’t like it, bland, by the numbers, as someone said sounds more like a fan fiction title or one of those Bond comics from the 90’s. It doesn’t even have a Fleming type vibe, which at least Die Another Day did have (as in live to fight another day). I was hoping the delayed announcement for the title meant that they were coming up with something special, whereas it seems more likely that this title had long been mooted but not agreed upon and the time constraints meant they had to finally go with it...
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  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 18,133MI6 Agent
    So I talked to two Non Bond films about the title.
    They both liked it.
    "It's Classic Bond."
    Another said.
    "The title is OK but the art design is ace."

    You're talking to movies? Are you sure you don't spend too much time in the cinema? :D
  • emtiememtiem SurreyPosts: 4,225MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    Matt S wrote:
    Number24 wrote:

    Is that graphic design really that contemporary? It looks retro to me.

    It can be contemporary if that retro look is fashionable.

    Absolutely, but is that retro look fashinable?

    I don’t think it is retro.
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 18,133MI6 Agent
    To me the font looks inspired by both the 1920's (google 1920's + FONTS and see what I mean) and the letters the military use …. a picture says more than my English vocabulary:

    image-450w-781199641.jpg
  • The Red KindThe Red Kind EnglandPosts: 2,011MI6 Agent
    I like it. Unimaginative, yes. But I like the link to the 1958 (Bond team) film.

    The font is the same as a 1970's Raleigh Commando, so that works for me! :D {[]

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  • emtiememtiem SurreyPosts: 4,225MI6 Agent
    I like it. Unimaginative, yes. But I like the link to the 1958 (Bond team) film.

    The font is the same as a 1970's Raleigh Commando, so that works for me! :D {[]

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/dreamtargets/3426432239


    Ha! Awesome! You can’t get more rugged than that.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,697MI6 Agent
    Just watched the Jeremy Vine show and everyone loved the new font style,
    very 60s seemed to be the main opinion.
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  • bonded123bonded123 Posts: 291MI6 Agent
    I can imagine the scene when they came up with the title. None of Eon's writing team could think up anything remotely fresh or exciting or with subtext and someone suggested "how about something with die in it?" And Babs said "yeah, let do that!"

    They came up with the following titles:

    A DAY TO DIE

    ALWAYS LIVE TO DIE

    NEVER SAY DIE

    A REASON TO DIE

    MG Wilson was getting bored and looked at his watch.

    "I know, how about NO TIME TO DIE?"

    Babs smiled and said "brilliant, Michael!" You're a genius!"


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  • Miles MesservyMiles Messervy Posts: 1,580MI6 Agent
    I’ll take “generic Bond title” over some of the atrocities that were tossed about any day. Stuff like of “Genome of a Woman”, or “James Bond” or even “Shatterhand” we’re all absolute rubbish. And although “die” is in the title, which brings obvious comparisons to mind, this title is actuallymuch better than TND or DAD.
  • James SuzukiJames Suzuki New ZealandPosts: 2,390MI6 Agent
    It's a Bondian title and the art design is fantastic.
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    -Casino Royale, Ian Fleming
  • CheverianCheverian Posts: 1,172MI6 Agent
    I like it.

    Fleming was one of the great titling geniuses of all time. He’s a high benchmark. This one falls short of him but is fine by most standards.

    But ultimately, a title is a piece of marketing and it’s NOT aimed at the people in this forum. It’s aimed at American Gen Z kids who think Bond is old man ****. And it’s aimed at audiences in Shanghai and Paris and Buenos Aires. It’s aimed for the millions of people who might or might not make this film a billion dollar grosser.
  • Dirty PunkerDirty Punker ...Your Eyes Only, darling."Posts: 2,586MI6 Agent
    Maybe "No Time To Die" means that Bond can't die. Bond will always return.
    More of a statement than a title?
    a reasonable rate of return
  • HowardBHowardB USAPosts: 2,590MI6 Agent
    I like it. Unimaginative, yes. But I like the link to the 1958 (Bond team) film.

    The font is the same as a 1970's Raleigh Commando, so that works for me! :D {[]

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/dreamtargets/3426432239

    That brings back a lot of childhood memories for me. Raleigh bikes back then were hot stuff. My best friend had a Raleigh Bronco and we were all drooling over the Raleigh Chopper. My first full size bike was a 26" Dunelt. That style of bike was known in the States at the time as an "English Racer"....which it was far from. Not exactly the hot style of the day, but still made in England, indestructible and pretty much impervious to city streets, curbs, etc.
  • Quentin QuigleyQuentin Quigley Terminal One, Hamburg AirportPosts: 964MI6 Agent
    Is the NTTD logo font a nod to LALD? Previously seen on various LALD Schick adverts, except the 'M' and 'N' are altered. One example here:

    48590612621_c733d180f1_z.jpg
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  • JET007JET007 Austin, TXPosts: 167MI6 Agent
    Is the NTTD logo font a nod to LALD? Previously seen on various LALD Schick adverts, except the 'M' and 'N' are altered. One example here:

    48590612621_c733d180f1_z.jpg

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