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welshboy78 · January 2020

Would they even have finished a final cut yet to even determine run time

walther p99 · January 2020

HowardB wrote:

PPK 7.65mm wrote:

@ Howard B, Yes, from the 1960's until recent years a movies soundtrack would hit retail ahead of the movies opening in theatres as part of the promotional campaign.

That's what I remember. Back in the vinyl days, I looked forward to getting the soundtrack album to the latest Bond film....you weren't just getting the music, but some great artwork also.

I remember Zimmer specifically had Interstellar's score (except for two tracks not in the movie) held back until two weeks after the films release so audiences would experience the music on the big screen first. Ever since then I usually see scores released on the day of or after a films premiere instead of before. I'm guessing NTTD will be the same.

Someone · January 2020

welshboy78 wrote:

Would they even have finished a final cut yet to even determine run time

Maybe not down to the minute but the difference between the normal 2h 20-something minutes and the apparent 2h 54min NTTD running time is huge. The approved production script would have indicated a final running time and we know the scenes go up to 254 because of clapperboard pictures, so based on that alone it's going to be a 2h 50-something minute movie.

And we now know that the script was a Purvis & Wade, Fukunaga collaboration (with polishing by Scott Burns and Phoebe Waller-Bridge). The NTTD scenes 205 to 255 (144 minutes to 178 minutes) do not exist because Fukunaga took an axe to an earlier Boyle script and added rafts of his own third act scenes; every scene in the NTTD script was planned and crafted, an outcome of Fukunaga and P&W's work together.

Gymkata · January 2020

Someone wrote:

More evidence that NTTD will be 2h 54mins long, Latvian cinema chain and country's distributor both publish the running time.
https://twitter.com/antovolk/status/1220114247696502785?s=20

NO TIME TO PEE.

Number24 · January 2020

Gymkata wrote:

Someone wrote:

More evidence that NTTD will be 2h 54mins long, Latvian cinema chain and country's distributor both publish the running time.
https://twitter.com/antovolk/status/1220114247696502785?s=20

NO TIME TO PEE.

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Shatterfang · January 2020

That number could include 30 minutes of trailers for a more reasonable 144min.

Someone · January 2020

Indian IP law firm claims that there is a "limited edition packaging" planned for the Heineken 0.0 NTTD marketing campaign.
https://www.bananaip.com/ip-news-center/zomato-acquires-uber-eats-india-heineken-partners-with-james-bond-apple-signs-nba-deal-and-more/

Jarvio · January 2020

What are people's thoughts on the Blofeld DOB thing? Do you think it's a mistake, or do you think there's far more to it?

HowardB · January 2020

Jarvio wrote:

What are people's thoughts on the Blofeld DOB thing? Do you think it's a mistake, or do you think there's far more to it?

No thoughts myself.....but could that be more for the spoiler thread?

Barbel · January 2020

Jarvio wrote:

What are people's thoughts on the Blofeld DOB thing? Do you think it's a mistake, or do you think there's far more to it?

Here's mine:

Barbel wrote:

Did anyone else notice that Blofeld's DoB is given as 1946, ie 10 years older than Christoph Waltz really is and 20+ years older than Craig/Bond? Seems strange. Oberhauser/Blofeld is supposed to be a few years older than Bond, fair enough, but not 20 years.

PS Golrush007 points out that Calvin has noticed this too.

caractacus potts · January 2020

Jarvio wrote:

What are people's thoughts on the Blofeld DOB thing? Do you think it's a mistake, or do you think there's far more to it?

It's a perfect excuse to undo BrotherGate. Please use it!

Only question is why would CraigBond mistake Blofeld for Oberhauser Jr?
More clone stuff? maybe Oberhauser Jr was a clone of this unrelated old guy named Blofeld?
then why was Oberhauser Sr raising him?

If so, hopefully Blofeld from SPECTRE was a second clone who just happened to look exactly like Bond's old foster brother, and he was deliberately messing with Bond by exploiting the confusion.
But that's still too much of a coincidence for my tastes, still annoying.

Matt S · January 2020

Do people here like the idea of cloning in Bond? Do we want another over-the-top Bond film?

caractacus potts · January 2020

It all sounds very X-Files to me, the way I'm imagining it. (Mulder's sister was cloned, and it turned out his father was in on the big conspiracy)

Also like an update to Diamonds are Forever, which featured at least four Blofelds. Which Die Another Day already did, and neither of those are the best Bond film ever.

Miles Messervy · January 2020

Matt S wrote:

Do people here like the idea of cloning in Bond? Do we want another over-the-top Bond film?

I watched a 60 Minutes piece not too long ago about genetic engineering that was quite shocking. Depending on what exactly they’re going for, it might not be too far from reality.

HowardB · January 2020

Miles Messervy wrote:

Matt S wrote:

Do people here like the idea of cloning in Bond? Do we want another over-the-top Bond film?

I watched a 60 Minutes piece not too long ago about genetic engineering that was quite shocking. Depending on what exactly they’re going for, it might not be too far from reality.

If done well...without too much over the top stuff, it could be a nice return to Bond bringing something more cutting edge, although the cloning thing has been done before many times.

walther p99 · January 2020

HowardB wrote:

Miles Messervy wrote:

Matt S wrote:

Do people here like the idea of cloning in Bond? Do we want another over-the-top Bond film?

I watched a 60 Minutes piece not too long ago about genetic engineering that was quite shocking. Depending on what exactly they’re going for, it might not be too far from reality.

If done well...without too much over the top stuff, it could be a nice return to Bond bringing something more cutting edge, although the cloning thing has been done before many times.

It does seem a pretty outlandish idea for the "grounded" Craig Bond films, but its also never been done before so its fertile ground for the franchise. And with Fuknanaga at the helm it would probably be less cheesy and more scary. The Bond series understandably rarely steps into the horror/supernatural genres but it would be a welcome change of pace then the usual death laser/big bomb/etc.

emtiem · January 2020

Seems to me the algae-growing in the trailer is probably closer to the mark. Something to do with food or, most likely, biological warfare as per all of the missing scientist stuff. Maybe some sort of super toxin grown in the algae?

Jarvio · January 2020

walther p99 wrote:

The Bond series understandably rarely steps into the horror/supernatural genres but it would be a welcome change of pace then the usual death laser/big bomb/etc.

The Garden Of Death would have been the perfect fit for this

HowardB · January 2020

Jarvio wrote:

walther p99 wrote:

The Bond series understandably rarely steps into the horror/supernatural genres but it would be a welcome change of pace then the usual death laser/big bomb/etc.

The Garden Of Death would have been the perfect fit for this

May be we will get something akin to the Garden of Death....we really don't know much about what was shot at Pinewood other than a gun battle and some stuff in the water tank.

caractacus potts · January 2020

walther p99 wrote:

And with Fuknanaga at the helm it would probably be less cheesy and more scary. The Bond series understandably rarely steps into the horror/supernatural genres but it would be a welcome change of pace then the usual death laser/big bomb/etc.

Jarvio wrote:

The Garden Of Death would have been the perfect fit for this

having just watched True Detective, I would so love to see the Garden of Death visualised with the aesthetics of the ritual murder sites from that show.

emtiem · January 2020

How cinematic can a garden be though? It's hardly an action scene.

Number24 · January 2020

A tropical garden can be very cinematic, especially if it's full of poisonous plants, insects and snakes. It will tie in with some of the bizzare and scary imagery in some Bond stories such as the vodoo in LALD.

caractacus potts · January 2020

emtiem wrote:

How cinematic can a garden be though? It's hardly an action scene.

it's inherently visual! there's plenty of nice gardens in the world that people travel just to photograph, the difference is Blofeld's garden was scary. Make it a bit gothic, a bit decadent, and film it at night with lots of shadows, just like in the book.
I could easily imagine a vast scary garden when I read the book, with many distinct sections to be explored, it'd make for a good extended series of film sequences.

HowardB · January 2020

caractacus potts wrote:

emtiem wrote:

How cinematic can a garden be though? It's hardly an action scene.

it's inherently visual! there's plenty of nice gardens in the world that people travel just to photograph, the difference is Blofeld's garden was scary. Make it a bit gothic, a bit decadent, and film it at night with lots of shadows, just like in the book.
I could easily imagine a vast scary garden when I read the book, with many distinct sections to be explored, it'd make for a good extended series of film sequences.

Especially if there are things in there that are toxic and deadly including bad guys trying to kill Bond. There were a lot of really creepy,
odd and strange foreboding locations in the first season of Fukunaga's True Detective.......so Fukunaga is adept at that type of thing.
It's also something that lends itself very well to shooting on one of Pinewood's massive sound stages which could contribute an uncomfortable claustrophobic feel and otherworldly sense of danger.

Someone · January 2020

Billie Eilish won five grammys.
https://www.grammy.com/grammys/artists/billie-eilish

She didn't sing her Bond theme at the show.

emtiem · January 2020

caractacus potts wrote:

emtiem wrote:

How cinematic can a garden be though? It's hardly an action scene.

it's inherently visual! there's plenty of nice gardens in the world that people travel just to photograph, the difference is Blofeld's garden was scary. Make it a bit gothic, a bit decadent, and film it at night with lots of shadows, just like in the book.
I could easily imagine a vast scary garden when I read the book, with many distinct sections to be explored, it'd make for a good extended series of film sequences.

Having somewhere look great isn’t the same as having a good scene though: a scene of Bond walking through a garden making sure not to touch the plants... that’s not exciting stuff. He walked along the edge of a rooftop in the last film without blinking: why would he care about some nettles? Even having a fight with another person set in there where he has to take care not to fall over into a static, passive bush is like a sort of comedy version of the laser fight from DAD. It’s inherently uncinematic.

Basically you’re asking for a creepy garden. Well yeah, okay, I don’t mind that; but it’s not really anything to get excited about or stress as being important. I don’t think there’s really an interesting scene in the concept, but as a location of a story they tell each other it’s fine.

Number24 · January 2020

There will also be snakes and large spiders there, and while avoiding those Bond also has to avoid detection. On top of that there's Blofeld in a bizzare samurai armour. That's cinematic to me.

Jarvio · January 2020

The Garden Of Death is one of the most cinematic things ever. I can't believe we're having to justify this.

Someone · January 2020

Twitter accounts @trailertrack and @ImAFilmEditor are expecting a trailer with the Super Bowl which takes place on the evening of Monday 3 Feb and that the music for it will be by Hans Zimmer as apparently he does do his movies' trailer music.
https://twitter.com/trailertrack/status/1221745447498371073?s=20
https://twitter.com/ImAFilmEditor/status/1221773654457012226?s=20

And, allegedly Netflix and Apple TV are in talks to buy MGM. Is this repeating previous stories?
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/24/mgm-leads-2020-media-acquisition-targets.html

Asp9mm · January 2020

Garden of death is very dated. There’s nothing really scary about snakes and spiders and poisonous veg since people are far more educated about these things than they were in the 50,s. You don’t get bitten by these venomous animals and keel over in 5 seconds like people believed back then. Filming would be a problem and CGI never really cuts it with these things however much money you throw it it.

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