Ranking the Brosnan Films

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  • wakwak007wakwak007 Apopka, Fl.Posts: 35MI6 Agent
    I think I have tog o with:
    1) TND
    2) Goldeneye
    3) DAD
    4) TWINE
  • Sweepy the CatSweepy the Cat Halifax, West Yorkshire, EnglaPosts: 986MI6 Agent
    edited April 2009
    Just thought I'd bring an old topic back from the dead as I think it could be interesting. I think that brozzer bond films got worse as they went along (switch TND for TWINE ;)).

    1. GE - 9/10
    2. TWINE - 9/10
    3. TND - 7/10
    4. DAD - 3/10
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  • JarvioJarvio EnglandPosts: 4,236MI6 Agent
    On average I think the Brosnan era was overall the worst. He was an ok Bond, but his films (except Goldeneye) let him down.
    Goldeneye is brilliant and very promising. Great story, good villain, great sequences.
    Then it all went down hill. The other three films just seemed tired and uninspired and relied too heavily on action. TWINE I think has some interesting parts and interesting characters, and I liked how Zukovsky returned, and that's why I rank it second, but I think it's also exremely boring and unoriginal. TND was slightly less boring, but there was no character development whatsoever. TND falls in third place for me, but it's a very tough call with TWINE.
    DAD was just dire. end of.

    So, here's my list...

    1 GE - Great Bond film
    2 TWINE - Below average
    3 TND - Below average
    4 DAD - Pants
    1 - LALD, 2 - AVTAK, 3 - LTK, 4 - OP, 5 - NTTD, 6 - FYEO, 7 - SF, 8 - DN, 9 - DAF, 10 - TSWLM, 11 - OHMSS, 12 - TMWTGG, 13 - GE, 14 - MR, 15 - TLD, 16 - YOLT, 17 - GF, 18 - DAD, 19 - TWINE, 20 - SP, 21 - TND, 22 - FRWL, 23 - TB, 24 - CR, 25 - QOS

    1 - Moore, 2 - Dalton, 3 - Craig, 4 - Connery, 5 - Brosnan, 6 - Lazenby
  • SpectreBlofeldSpectreBlofeld AroundPosts: 364MI6 Agent
    You know, I think one of the the things that made the Brosnan films suffer a bit was the weakness of the villians. Goldeneye was the only movie to have a strong, threatening villain.

    TND at least had decent henchmen, but Jonathan Pryce was not very imposing.

    TWINE's Renard was a complete waste and disappointment. The way he's introduced in the MI6 briefing leads us to expect a truly hardcore, dangerous enemy - yet his inability to feel pain was more or less forgotten when it came down to the combat sequences.

    And DAD's villains were too cartoonish.

    Hard to make a good hero story without good villains.
  • MailfistMailfist Posts: 241MI6 Agent
    PB is my second favourite Bond after SC. I would rank his movies as:

    GE - One of my favourite Bond movies in general, and my favourite PB movie. Good plot, excellent villians, a realistic Bond girl and some great locations. The fight with 006 at the end is superb. A great kickstart for the franchise after the long wait and PB must be congratulated for giving such a confident performance in his first outing.

    TWINE - Good story with Electra being a great villian/Bond girl. Some great set pieces only let down by:

    1. Wasting Renard's imperviousness to pain. Very little sign of this in the final fight with JB.
    2. Casting Denise Richards as Christmas Jones. No creditibility at all as a nuclear scientist.

    TND - Only works for about the first three quarters. Flags at what should be the most exciting bit - the fight on the stealth ship. Jonathan Pryce totally miscast as Carver, and Stamper wasted as a villian. Should have been a good end fight between JB and Stamper. Wai Lin good Bond girl and Dr. Kaufman a little jem of a villian. Also plot paper thin.

    DAD - A crying shame that PB should have gone out on such a weak entry into the series as this. Suffers a bit of an identity crises. Nice twist at the start with Bond being captured and tortured (laying the groundwork for CR) but then tries to be YOLT or TSWLM. The invisible car (oh please) and the CGI work was lamentable.

    Leaving aside DAD PB's tenour was among the highlights of the series.
  • bluemanblueman PDXPosts: 1,667MI6 Agent
    Like TND and GE much better than TWINE and DAD. All suffer from a weak lead, silly villains (the wonderful Miss Janssen excepted), and too much recycled material.
  • GeorgiboyGeorgiboy Posts: 632MI6 Agent
    1. Goldeneye
    2. Tomorrow Never Dies
    3. The World Is Not Enough
    4. Die Another Day
  • Honey RiderHoney Rider Posts: 211MI6 Agent
    1)TWINE
    2)GE
    3)TND
    4)DAD
  • Blood_StoneBlood_Stone Posts: 183MI6 Agent
    The World Is Not Enough

    Goldeneye

    Tomorrow Never Dies

    Die Another Day (this would be higher on my list had it not turned into a science fiction movie)
  • Q-Branch_2012Q-Branch_2012 Posts: 80MI6 Agent
    GoldenEye
    The World is Not Enough
    Tomorrow Never Dies
    Die Another Day
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  • JarvioJarvio EnglandPosts: 4,236MI6 Agent
    Jarvio wrote:
    On average I think the Brosnan era was overall the worst. He was an ok Bond, but his films (except Goldeneye) let him down.
    Goldeneye is brilliant and very promising. Great story, good villain, great sequences.
    Then it all went down hill. The other three films just seemed tired and uninspired and relied too heavily on action. TWINE I think has some interesting parts and interesting characters, and I liked how Zukovsky returned, and that's why I rank it second, but I think it's also exremely boring and unoriginal. TND was slightly less boring, but there was no character development whatsoever. TND falls in third place for me, but it's a very tough call with TWINE.
    DAD was just dire. end of.

    So, here's my list...

    1 GE - Great Bond film
    2 TWINE - Below average
    3 TND - Below average
    4 DAD - Pants

    Hmm, since this old post of mine, it looks like my middle 2 have changed:

    My order is now:
    1 GE
    2 TND
    3 TWINE
    4 DAD

    The reason why TND now edges TWINE is because IMO it's simply less boring. However, it has always been, and still is, a close call between these two for me.... Part of me wants to rank TWINE higher because of Elektra King.... but no, I must resist. I just mostly found TWINE too boring. Don't know why.
    1 - LALD, 2 - AVTAK, 3 - LTK, 4 - OP, 5 - NTTD, 6 - FYEO, 7 - SF, 8 - DN, 9 - DAF, 10 - TSWLM, 11 - OHMSS, 12 - TMWTGG, 13 - GE, 14 - MR, 15 - TLD, 16 - YOLT, 17 - GF, 18 - DAD, 19 - TWINE, 20 - SP, 21 - TND, 22 - FRWL, 23 - TB, 24 - CR, 25 - QOS

    1 - Moore, 2 - Dalton, 3 - Craig, 4 - Connery, 5 - Brosnan, 6 - Lazenby
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,061MI6 Agent
    Jarvio wrote:

    1 GE
    2 TND
    3 TWINE
    4 DAD
    I flip flop. When I watch GE, it's #1. When I watch TND, IT'S #1...
    All in all, I guess TND wins out for me, better music, better Bond girl....
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • James SuzukiJames Suzuki New ZealandPosts: 2,406MI6 Agent
    1. Goldeneye- The best Brosnan and defiently in my Top Five, way ahead of the other three by far, as the script was better and I reckon Brosnan looked the best in this film, I didn't like his look in DAD.

    2. TWINE- In second spot for the boat chase which wins, IMHO, the best pre-title sequence ever in Bond, Elecktra King livens up the film and the theme tune is good, as well as the score.

    3. TND- Harshly underrated, this film may have an absurd plot, but have you, film critics, heard of the word fun. The pre-title sequence is brilliant, and the high point of the Brosnan films is that they know what the pre-title sequences are suppose to be like. Stamper, is a character I like.

    4. DAD, I really loathe this film, and I am aware that we have mentioned all of our PURE hate of this film, so lets just leave it at AWFUL
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  • BIG TAMBIG TAM Wrexham, North Wales, UK.Posts: 773MI6 Agent
    Difficult this. My placings keep changing every few months, but at present I'd rate as follows:-

    1. THE WORLD IS NOT ENOUGH
    2. TOMORROW NEVER DIES
    3. GOLDENEYE
    4. DIE ANOTHER DAY

    I've knocked Pierce on previous posts, principally classifying him as being over-rated. I'd like to revise that opinion in light of recent interviews I've read with the bloke. I think Pierce was a very good Bond for his era, being the bridge between Connery & Moore. One can't really devalue what he brought to the series but I still think he was lucky in being the right man at the right time.

    But his films seem a bit indistinct from one another. They're all on one level for me; very well made with a good slickness of style but they're missing something. I can't quite put my finger on it, but I'd be a liar if I said I didn't derive tremendous enjoyment from them.
  • FelixLeiter ♀FelixLeiter ♀ Staffordshire or a pubPosts: 1,286MI6 Agent
    GE
    TND
    TWINE
    DAD

    Goldeneye is one of my favourite Bond films and I'm really fond of it, a re-watch seems like meeting up with an old friend. The PTS is great and a fantastic way of introducing Brosnan. It becomes the little things, like the way he just flicks his head as a bullet whizzes past and the squeaking trolley moment. :007)
    As a kid watching this, I was horrified by the idea of a 00 agent betraying Bond and England. It suddenly made me question the trust of any of Bond's so called 'allies' when watching a film. I love the character of Trevelyan, I think he makes a fantastic villain. The graveyard scene stands out for me, as does "tastes like strawberries" "I wouldn't know" "I would!" to see Alec knows all the right buttons to push. So often I am annoyed that the main villain of a film doesn't get much of an ending but I really love it when there's a big fight, such as Bond and Trevelyan's. It was a fitting end for the character.
    Several other things top it off me. The tank chase is wonderful and so is the bit on board the train. I'm also fond of this film's Q Branch scene. I guess the only thing I can fault it on is the lack of a car chase, but this being replaced by the tank chase is fitting enough.

    Tomorrow Never Dies seems like a film I shouldn't like and yet do. For starters, another storming PTS. The action scenes are unbelievably brilliant and I love them. It is less of a Bond film and more of an action film but that doesn't bother me. I love the car park sequence, especially the moment where Bond is seen grinning in the back of the car. It was just nice to see that him caught up in the moment and that he actually does enjoy the gadgets. They are usually only seen as a necessary tool and whilst we as the audience are afterwards dreaming of getting our hands on some of them, just for the fun of them, this isn't something we often see of Bond.
    Of course, this contrasts massively with the previous scene in the hotel bedroom. It doesn't seem to be rated much amongst other members, but I like this scene with Dr Kauffman, especially their last exchange of words "I am just a professional doing a job" "Me too"
    The character of Carver could have been used far better, but I still rather like him. He is clearly a dedicated villain or perhaps just a very jealous one, killing his own wife. His plan is a realistic one and he goes to suitably OTT means to achieve it, which IMO means its perfect place is within a Bond movie.
    Stamper is a bit rubbish and I'm not that keen on Wai Lin.

    I last watched The World Is Not Enough a couple of weeks ago and have been mulling over it a fair bit ever since. It's low on my Brosnan list, but actually it does have some good features.
    It's the best role of M in a movie, I adore the PTS (messing with the tie underwater was a superb touch) and Bond's relationship with Elektra is very interesting as the movie progresses. The chair torture scene was nicely done and I was glad to see the return of Robbie Coltrane, as I'd really liked his character in GE. As for little things, I'd go with the x-ray specs. Nice idea for a gadget and Bond eyeing up women in their underwear seemed very suitable for the character. :))

    I enjoy Die Another Day for about an hour, but good grief even then it still isn't great. All of Brosnan's films have brilliant PTS and this is no exception. The images in the TS that follows are used very well to carry the plot.
    On the positive side, I like the sword fight sequence and the character of Miranda Frost. I like Bond and Jinx's relationship, though am not overly keen on the character of Jinx. I think the idea of the signet ring which destroys glass was great and I really loved the appearance of the breathalyzer from Thunderball. I like Bond's use of the ejector seat to flip the car back over. I like that Bond and Jinx decide to lie on a bed with all the diamonds (because I'd like to too!).
    Positives done with so I'm not going to bother with negatives. There are too many and most have already been stated.
    Relax darling, I'm on top of the situation -{
  • JarvioJarvio EnglandPosts: 4,236MI6 Agent
    Jarvio wrote:
    Jarvio wrote:
    On average I think the Brosnan era was overall the worst. He was an ok Bond, but his films (except Goldeneye) let him down.
    Goldeneye is brilliant and very promising. Great story, good villain, great sequences.
    Then it all went down hill. The other three films just seemed tired and uninspired and relied too heavily on action. TWINE I think has some interesting parts and interesting characters, and I liked how Zukovsky returned, and that's why I rank it second, but I think it's also exremely boring and unoriginal. TND was slightly less boring, but there was no character development whatsoever. TND falls in third place for me, but it's a very tough call with TWINE.
    DAD was just dire. end of.

    So, here's my list...

    1 GE - Great Bond film
    2 TWINE - Below average
    3 TND - Below average
    4 DAD - Pants

    Hmm, since this old post of mine, it looks like my middle 2 have changed:

    My order is now:
    1 GE
    2 TND
    3 TWINE
    4 DAD

    The reason why TND now edges TWINE is because IMO it's simply less boring. However, it has always been, and still is, a close call between these two for me.... Part of me wants to rank TWINE higher because of Elektra King.... but no, I must resist. I just mostly found TWINE too boring. Don't know why.

    Actually, my order has changed AGAIN.

    Yet again, TND and TWINE flipped around...

    So my new order (which was my original order anyway) is:

    1 - GE
    2 - TWINE
    3 - TND
    4 - DAD
    1 - LALD, 2 - AVTAK, 3 - LTK, 4 - OP, 5 - NTTD, 6 - FYEO, 7 - SF, 8 - DN, 9 - DAF, 10 - TSWLM, 11 - OHMSS, 12 - TMWTGG, 13 - GE, 14 - MR, 15 - TLD, 16 - YOLT, 17 - GF, 18 - DAD, 19 - TWINE, 20 - SP, 21 - TND, 22 - FRWL, 23 - TB, 24 - CR, 25 - QOS

    1 - Moore, 2 - Dalton, 3 - Craig, 4 - Connery, 5 - Brosnan, 6 - Lazenby
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,061MI6 Agent
    Jarvio wrote:
    So my new order (which was my original order anyway) is:

    1 - GE
    2 - TWINE
    3 - TND
    4 - DAD
    I liked your last order better... :))
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • JarvioJarvio EnglandPosts: 4,236MI6 Agent
    chrisisall wrote:
    Jarvio wrote:
    So my new order (which was my original order anyway) is:

    1 - GE
    2 - TWINE
    3 - TND
    4 - DAD
    I liked your last order better... :))

    lol, those 2 films are always switching like there's no tomorrow... But I think I've settled on TWINE being better for now, which I re-watched last night. Might re-watch TND sometime soon...
    1 - LALD, 2 - AVTAK, 3 - LTK, 4 - OP, 5 - NTTD, 6 - FYEO, 7 - SF, 8 - DN, 9 - DAF, 10 - TSWLM, 11 - OHMSS, 12 - TMWTGG, 13 - GE, 14 - MR, 15 - TLD, 16 - YOLT, 17 - GF, 18 - DAD, 19 - TWINE, 20 - SP, 21 - TND, 22 - FRWL, 23 - TB, 24 - CR, 25 - QOS

    1 - Moore, 2 - Dalton, 3 - Craig, 4 - Connery, 5 - Brosnan, 6 - Lazenby
  • Bond SeamasterBond Seamaster SpainPosts: 19MI6 Agent
    Tomorrow Never Dies
    Die Another Day
    Goldeneye
    The World is Not Enough

    I've recently re-watched all Brosnan Bond films and I've changed the ranking a little bit. I know that most people don't like DAD, but IMO it has very good moments such as: Pre Title Sequence, Sword Fight, the relationship Bond-Jinx, the Car chase on the ice and inside the frozen palace and the epilogue with Bond and Jinx lying with the diamonds. Of course, I don't like at all the whole DNA changing thing, which is more adequate for sci-fi films.

    Though Goldeneye is ranked on third place it doesn't mean that I don't like it, just that I like TND and DAD better. Actually, GE was my number one / two until recently.

    On the other hand, I've never really liked TWINE much. The plot isn't very interesting for me and the two things that I find interesting are the relevance of M and the beauty of Denise Richards :x .
  • JarvioJarvio EnglandPosts: 4,236MI6 Agent
    Jarvio wrote:
    chrisisall wrote:
    Jarvio wrote:
    So my new order (which was my original order anyway) is:

    1 - GE
    2 - TWINE
    3 - TND
    4 - DAD
    I liked your last order better... :))

    lol, those 2 films are always switching like there's no tomorrow... But I think I've settled on TWINE being better for now, which I re-watched last night. Might re-watch TND sometime soon...

    And since this, I have just re-watched TND. Very close with TWINE, but I prefer TWINE, so my order still stands
    1 - LALD, 2 - AVTAK, 3 - LTK, 4 - OP, 5 - NTTD, 6 - FYEO, 7 - SF, 8 - DN, 9 - DAF, 10 - TSWLM, 11 - OHMSS, 12 - TMWTGG, 13 - GE, 14 - MR, 15 - TLD, 16 - YOLT, 17 - GF, 18 - DAD, 19 - TWINE, 20 - SP, 21 - TND, 22 - FRWL, 23 - TB, 24 - CR, 25 - QOS

    1 - Moore, 2 - Dalton, 3 - Craig, 4 - Connery, 5 - Brosnan, 6 - Lazenby
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,061MI6 Agent
    TWINE has a more adult sensibility to it, and I love that. But Wai Lin is SO much better than Christmas Jones that it tips it for me in TND's favour.
    Basically, Brosnan's first three rocked, maybe not as hard as Dalton's two, but that's a script thing... -{
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • Helpful chap77Helpful chap77 Posts: 26MI6 Agent
    Goldeneye (A classic which is a million times better than all of his other Bond films, it's my second favorite Bond film)

    The World Is Not Enough (By far Brosnan's second best in my opinion, there's more emotion to his portrayal of Bond than in TND and the story and characters are far greater, it's an underated film to me)

    Tomorow Never Dies (A rather dull film with bad casting in my opinion, I've never liked it although it's not too bad, better than Die Another Day anyway.

    Die Another Day (They tried too hard with this and went way OTT with CGI, it was a fun mess)
    aaahhgh!...Thud..(sorts out tie) what a helpful chap
  • Jimmy BondJimmy Bond Posts: 324MI6 Agent
    GoldenEye
    The World Is Not Enough
    Die Another Day
    Tomorrow Never Dies
  • moonraker84moonraker84 Posts: 48MI6 Agent
    1. Goldeneye - Great debut by Pierce and 006 is one of my fave villains. liked Xenia too and Jack Wade is a great replacement for the permanently injured Felix Leiter, shame he only appeared in two films.

    2. The World Is Not Enough - This one was pretty good, Elekra was particularly great.

    3. Die Another Day - Not as bad as a lot of people make out, but its not that good either though entertaining in parts.

    4. Tomorrow Never Dies - Decent, but decent isn't good enough for Bond standards, i rewatched this recently and found myself really enjoying Carvers comical performance.
  • icsics Posts: 1,413MI6 Agent
    23. DAD
    22. TND
    21. TWINW
    20. GE

    1. TLD -{

    sorry !
  • Jimmy BondJimmy Bond Posts: 324MI6 Agent
    What does the 23. 22., etc. mean?
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,061MI6 Agent
    Jimmy Bond wrote:
    What does the 23. 22., etc. mean?
    Means bottom of the entire list of movies.
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • Jimmy BondJimmy Bond Posts: 324MI6 Agent
    chrisisall wrote:
    Jimmy Bond wrote:
    What does the 23. 22., etc. mean?
    Means bottom of the entire list of movies.
    Hm, so it is as fanboy-ish as I thought.

    Look, can you honestly say any Moore film, aside from maybe TSWLM and FYEO, could ever be better than GoldenEye? Or TWINE? It just seems to me that you're letting a possible personal dislikeness of Brosnan override your judgement.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,061MI6 Agent
    Jimmy Bond wrote:
    Look, can you honestly say any Moore film, aside from maybe TSWLM and FYEO, could ever be better than GoldenEye? Or TWINE? It just seems to me that you're letting a possible personal dislikeness of Brosnan override your judgement.
    Yeah, I like each & every actor to some degree or other, and can't understand any extreme dislike for any one...
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • Dalkowski110Dalkowski110 Posts: 1,314MI6 Agent
    chrisisall wrote:
    Yeah, I like each & every actor to some degree or other

    ::Ducks in thread::

    I hope you're not including Woody Allen in that statement (at least as Bond)! :))

    ::Ducks out of thread::
    By the way, are you gonna eat that?
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