It has a blooper worthy of The Saint in that scene, with the camera crew clearly visible in the mirror in the fight scene.
Just watched AVTAK. Well, I still found it entertaining enough. Cut the comedic bits (the 'California Girls' bit, which is awful, the shouting taxi driver, the goofball American cops) and it would stand up better. But, Stacey Sutton has to be, without doubt, the worst Bond girl of the lot.
TMWTGG always struck me as a hurried production. I don't know if that's true or not, but the script seemed flimsy and meandering, like it was an early draft while writers were still throwing ideas at the wall.
I feel the plot had potential- I love the idea of Bond tracking down a potential, deadly assassin- but so little of TMWTTGG works. Actually in retrospect, it is the weaker of my two worst- TMWTTGG and Moonraker. At least in Moonraker, you can tell there was a lot of effort put into everything else BUT the script. Here, the script and everything else is lacking. This film has to have the most pathetically half hearted action scenes in the series- not one really stands out. And the comedy is really awful, made even worse by the fact the second half runs more like a parody than the 1967 Casino Royale did! It's no funnier than that was, either.
I feel real potential was missed with Scaramanga- they could really have gone far with the 'dark side of 007' angle, but really, Scaramanga as a character isn't as good or as nasty as he could have been. Christopher Lee put in more effort than the script required- if not for him, there would actually be hardly anything worth watching.
As resident AVTAK expert, I encourage everyone to go back and watch AVTAK. It's really not that bad when you see it, IMO, just watch out for the things I enjoy about the movie, and hopefully it will raise from the lower tier of your rankings.
Not that I'm putting any pressure, I'm just recommending...
Given a choice between the 2 I would pick AVTAK to be the worst. I think that TMWTGG is a decent movie. If we were picking from the Moore era I would chose OP as the worst, and if it was between all of them, well they are all gold compared to DAD.
I find AVTAK to be average, rather than bad. There are some great performances- Christopher Walken, Grace Jones, Patrick Macnee, Fiona Fullerton- and some enjoyable scenes. I don't find this as cringeworthy or as embarassing as TMWTTGG or Moonraker, or as stupidly bombastic as Die Another Day. Roger Moore was WAY over the hill (and I speak as a fan) by then though, something he now admits. And Tanya Roberts' role and performance are the weakest of any Bond girl. Still, the good just about outweighs the bad in this.
AVTAK and TMWTGG are both pretty crappy (on the Bond scale), and similar in that they both feature amazing actors named Christopher (Lee and Walken) who make for compelling villains. It's just that the product around them didn't measure up to them.
AVTAK has its moments. It's a silly Moore movie with a derivative plot ripped off from GF. And Moore looks way too old here. He looks pretty creepy bedding all these women (at least the preceding OP played well to his age). He was right to call it a day as Bond after this. I like the theme song, though.
I haven't seen TMWTGG in ages, since it's never really on TV much anymore. From what I remember, I know why. This is not very good. Sure, Christopher Lee is good, and I've always liked Maud Adams (especially in OP), but Nick Nack is a terrible henchman and Britt Eckland is one of the worst leading ladies in the whole series. Plus they all drive those butt-ugly AMC cars. What's sad is that this could have been made into a great movie, but it was ruined. Oh, and the theme song was beyond awful. Lulu's a good singer, but the song has some of the worst arrangements I've ever heard. So much potential wasted in this one.
So, my least-favorite EON-produced Bond film of all time? Moonraker, of course! Bond in space? With laser guns? Come on! Michael Lonsdale was good as Drax, the women were good, and the first half of the movie was pretty good, but the rest was dreck.
Oh, and to the previous poster who mentioned Lonsdale? Imagine my surprise when I saw "Munich" the other night, and the man who played "Papa" was none other than...
He must feel proud, after all he did do 7. Why not call it his second crappest Bond gig?
Because I don't think it was crappy. I consider it to be the sixth best of the twenty-one different Bond performances. The only performances which I consider to be superior are Connery's first four perfromances and Brosnan's in TWINE. I won't describe DAF as a crappy performance precisely because I consider it to be a brilliant performance.
1) Connery is too old and in too bad a physical condition to be Bond. He's now overweight, clearly balding and he looks less like he could take you in a fight than what Moore could in his final appearence. Addtionally, LALD Moore was 5 years older than Connery in this outing and he looked considerably better.
I'm sorry but he didn't look that bad. Yes, he wasn't in great shape, but after watching DAF recently, I truly don't think he was in such horrible shape.
I may be a minority here, but I loved DAF. It was quite silly, it had alot of plotholes, but I thought Connery was brilliant, I loved Wint and Kidd, I thought there were several brilliant scenes (the fight in the elevator, the crematorium scene, Bambi and Thumper, the last scene) and I just thought it was alot of fun. It's eleventh on my list, partly because I think it has some great things going for it (Connery, Wint and Kidd, the fight in the elevator, the crematorium scene, Bambi and Thumper, the final scene) but mostly because I always have a great time watching it.
I actually like DAF. Sure, it's a flawed movie. The locations (except Amsterdam) are pretty ugly. Las Vegas is not an attractive setting in this film, and neither is the oil rig. And Connery, while only 41, looks a lot older, and his bad wardrobe and equally bad hairpiece lend proof to this.
I realize that this movie was intended to be light-hearted, and this more comedic approach is what coaxed Connery back (that and the huge paycheck). The dialogue is pretty funny, and this is probably the raunchiest Bond film to date.
And don't forget one of the best PTS's in the series and the Shirley Bassey theme song. Both are terrific.
All of this more than makes up for ugly sets and Blofeld in drag.
I don't think AVTAK is that bad. Grace Jones was the only thing I didn't like. Walken played Zorin perfectly, Moore may have been old but he was still good. AVTAK is my favorite ending of all the bond films. The music, the insanity of Zorin, and the crazy old guy with dynamite is great. So I believe TMWTGG is the worst.
I think that AVTAK is definitely the worst Bond film of all time. After that would come TLD and DAD. While I don't love TMWTGG, I don't hate it, and I would never put it in the same company of AVTAK.
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To my taste, DAF is the worst. Sean looks much older than Roger in AVTAK and the entire movie is boring.
I used to dislike TWMTGG when I have been younger the more I see it, the mo(o)re I like it. Especially the asian locations are marvellously captured, maybe, it is because of the looks (not the brain) of Mary Goodnight.
President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
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At the moment...TMWTGG. It's just boring, the only thing holding it up is Christopher Lee. It is completely stupid, a brilliant car stunt ruined by a dodgy sound effect. A midgit henchman. A bimbo bond girl who almost killsa herself and bond. etc. The list is so long I'd be here till xmas.
Got to say my favourite for the worst JB movie of all time is without a doubt MR. It epitimises all that was wrong with the films during the RM era.
However, as the thread is between TMWTGG and AVTAK then it a AVTAK. TMWTGG was a pretty good movie for the first three quarters and really failed where it should have been exciting - at the end. The locations were great, and any film with Christopher Lee in it can't be all bad, but it fell down on the following points:
It never really explored properly the premis that Bond and Scaramanga were two sides of the same coin. Would have taken a better script and a better actor than RM to really pull that one off.
Mary Goodnight being written and acted as a blonde bimbo rather than a compotent member of MI6 and a worthwhile assistant to Bond.
Bringing J W Pepper back.
The duel between Bond and Scaramanga lacking anything vaguely like tension.
The final fight on the junk with Nic Nak - embarassing or what.
As far as AVTAK is concerned it main failing was having RM as JB. He looked like he had been embalmed. This adversely affected the whole movie. A tired Bond actor makes the entire film look tired. You only have to look at the fight scenes. The fight with the guards on the chip production line, the fight with the goons at Stacey's house and the final fight with Zorin on the bridge. Slow and tired with no real threat.
You only have to compare these with the subsequent fights in TLD. Bond looks young and like he knows how to handle himself.
The plot is also a rethread of GF which with a younger actor playing Bond they might have got away with.
Both films have two things in common:
1. Hire excellent actors to play the villians and then waste them with poor scripts.
2. Hire blonde bimbos to play the main Bond girls.
Both films also suffer from the silliness and misplaced comedy which ran through the RM movies, but it is worse in AVTAK.
Sorry to all Americans but IMHO the worst Bonds were the ones with too many scenes in the US and too many American accents. Goldfinger was good..until they flew to Fort Knox.
I think Bond and USA don`t match.
Welcome to the board mendes, and with a controversial opener! You could be right, the US Bond girls like Stacey Sutton, Jinx and Tiffany Case and Christmas Jones get a bum rap, maybe coindentally. A bimbo with a European accent is a mysterious goddess, with a US accent, is just a bimbo (not counting Ruby, that Lancastrian from OHMSS)....
ah well..american dialect, spew, whatever you want to call it.
By the way i live close to Hotel Palacio where Lazenby stayed at the start of «On her majesty secret service».
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Sorry to all Americans but IMHO the worst Bonds were the ones with too many scenes in the US and too many American accents. Goldfinger was good..until they flew to Fort Knox.
I think Bond and USA don`t match.
Somebody should have told Ian Fleming...he insisted upon sending his man there, as early as the second novel---which is probably where poor, misguided Eon initially got the idea )
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"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
TMWTGG or AVTAK?
hmmm, not giving us much room for manoevre there.
i dont think either are that bad, GG actually has some very good scenes in it, e.g Bond meets Andrea, Bond meets Hip, the garden of ghouls. AVTAK has excellent photography and also Grace Jones (nice ass on Jenny Flex as it happens, who the hell played her in the movie, I must find out)
These polls are all very personal, for me TLD and DAD are pretty terrible. Of the two requested, I would say for me TMWTGG is probably worst if only for the ridiculous Fun House sections which we not only have to endure through the tedious pre-credit sequence but need to sit through at the climax... writers really lost all ideas on that one.
Chrisno1: We have here a forum member and his name is JennyFlexFan. He will be happy to tell you everything about the love of his life.
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Sometimes a bit boring if you are asking me ;% but always entertaining!
You can find him here for example:
http://www.ajb007.co.uk/index.php?topic=26476&cpage=1
I am a bit puzzled that he did not show up already. He usually bites after such posts like a dog into a sausage, his absence must be explained by serious illness or so.
President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Yes, Alison Doody is indeed quite the morsel. Her appearance in AVTAK is usually a crowning jewel for the people who aren't too keen on it (and the ones that do love it!). She went on to star in Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade and even had the opportunity to be in the LOTR movies, but pulled out due to the fact she'd be away from her family too long (she could've been part of 3 successful franchises!).
At the moment, there is speculation she is being considered for the part of Narcissa in HP6 which would be so wonderful due to the fact Alison has been playing icy cool women throughout her entire career, playing a Nazi twice!
But yes, Jenny Flex is indeed amazing, as in Alison and I hope to see her in movies soon.
I don't think any Bond film is bad, but I feel frustrated with the dreariness of many Bond films made after Octopussy. I find their visual style depressing. Licence To Kill, GoldenEye, Casino Royale, and The World Is Not Enough which is the worst offender of all, have this dark, dreary, and plain look that have nothing which jumps out at you. Die Another Day has very nice cinematography and was a great change of pace. But whatever happened to the visually colorful and crisp photography we got in Dr. No, Thunderball, The Man With the Golden Gun, For Your Eyes Only, and most of the classic Bond films?
Back to The World Is Not Enough. It is my choice for the worst Bond film. It has an interesting story and the drama between Bond, Electra, M, and Renard is done well. However, the action scenes are uninteresting and do not fit into the story well, the film looks like coffee, Brosnan is dull dull dull, and Denise Richards is quite bad. I prefer Bond to have some spark and the film to be more visually colorful.
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Just watched AVTAK. Well, I still found it entertaining enough. Cut the comedic bits (the 'California Girls' bit, which is awful, the shouting taxi driver, the goofball American cops) and it would stand up better. But, Stacey Sutton has to be, without doubt, the worst Bond girl of the lot.
I feel real potential was missed with Scaramanga- they could really have gone far with the 'dark side of 007' angle, but really, Scaramanga as a character isn't as good or as nasty as he could have been. Christopher Lee put in more effort than the script required- if not for him, there would actually be hardly anything worth watching.
Not that I'm putting any pressure, I'm just recommending...
AVTAK and TMWTGG are both pretty crappy (on the Bond scale), and similar in that they both feature amazing actors named Christopher (Lee and Walken) who make for compelling villains. It's just that the product around them didn't measure up to them.
AVTAK has its moments. It's a silly Moore movie with a derivative plot ripped off from GF. And Moore looks way too old here. He looks pretty creepy bedding all these women (at least the preceding OP played well to his age). He was right to call it a day as Bond after this. I like the theme song, though.
I haven't seen TMWTGG in ages, since it's never really on TV much anymore. From what I remember, I know why. This is not very good. Sure, Christopher Lee is good, and I've always liked Maud Adams (especially in OP), but Nick Nack is a terrible henchman and Britt Eckland is one of the worst leading ladies in the whole series. Plus they all drive those butt-ugly AMC cars. What's sad is that this could have been made into a great movie, but it was ruined. Oh, and the theme song was beyond awful. Lulu's a good singer, but the song has some of the worst arrangements I've ever heard. So much potential wasted in this one.
So, my least-favorite EON-produced Bond film of all time? Moonraker, of course! Bond in space? With laser guns? Come on! Michael Lonsdale was good as Drax, the women were good, and the first half of the movie was pretty good, but the rest was dreck.
Oh, and to the previous poster who mentioned Lonsdale? Imagine my surprise when I saw "Munich" the other night, and the man who played "Papa" was none other than...
I actually like DAF. Sure, it's a flawed movie. The locations (except Amsterdam) are pretty ugly. Las Vegas is not an attractive setting in this film, and neither is the oil rig. And Connery, while only 41, looks a lot older, and his bad wardrobe and equally bad hairpiece lend proof to this.
I realize that this movie was intended to be light-hearted, and this more comedic approach is what coaxed Connery back (that and the huge paycheck). The dialogue is pretty funny, and this is probably the raunchiest Bond film to date.
And don't forget one of the best PTS's in the series and the Shirley Bassey theme song. Both are terrific.
All of this more than makes up for ugly sets and Blofeld in drag.
TMWTGG
YOLT
DAD
I used to dislike TWMTGG when I have been younger
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
However, as the thread is between TMWTGG and AVTAK then it a AVTAK. TMWTGG was a pretty good movie for the first three quarters and really failed where it should have been exciting - at the end. The locations were great, and any film with Christopher Lee in it can't be all bad, but it fell down on the following points:
It never really explored properly the premis that Bond and Scaramanga were two sides of the same coin. Would have taken a better script and a better actor than RM to really pull that one off.
Mary Goodnight being written and acted as a blonde bimbo rather than a compotent member of MI6 and a worthwhile assistant to Bond.
Bringing J W Pepper back.
The duel between Bond and Scaramanga lacking anything vaguely like tension.
The final fight on the junk with Nic Nak - embarassing or what.
As far as AVTAK is concerned it main failing was having RM as JB. He looked like he had been embalmed. This adversely affected the whole movie. A tired Bond actor makes the entire film look tired. You only have to look at the fight scenes. The fight with the guards on the chip production line, the fight with the goons at Stacey's house and the final fight with Zorin on the bridge. Slow and tired with no real threat.
You only have to compare these with the subsequent fights in TLD. Bond looks young and like he knows how to handle himself.
The plot is also a rethread of GF which with a younger actor playing Bond they might have got away with.
Both films have two things in common:
1. Hire excellent actors to play the villians and then waste them with poor scripts.
2. Hire blonde bimbos to play the main Bond girls.
Both films also suffer from the silliness and misplaced comedy which ran through the RM movies, but it is worse in AVTAK.
I think Bond and USA don`t match.
Roger Moore 1927-2017
By the way, mendes, Americans don't have accents...Portuguese do.
By the way i live close to Hotel Palacio where Lazenby stayed at the start of «On her majesty secret service».
Somebody should have told Ian Fleming...he insisted upon sending his man there, as early as the second novel---which is probably where poor, misguided Eon initially got the idea
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
hmmm, not giving us much room for manoevre there.
i dont think either are that bad, GG actually has some very good scenes in it, e.g Bond meets Andrea, Bond meets Hip, the garden of ghouls. AVTAK has excellent photography and also Grace Jones (nice ass on Jenny Flex as it happens, who the hell played her in the movie, I must find out)
These polls are all very personal, for me TLD and DAD are pretty terrible. Of the two requested, I would say for me TMWTGG is probably worst if only for the ridiculous Fun House sections which we not only have to endure through the tedious pre-credit sequence but need to sit through at the climax... writers really lost all ideas on that one.
....entry: JFF, please
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
hmmm cant say thats familiar at all....
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Sometimes a bit boring if you are asking me ;% but always entertaining!
You can find him here for example:
http://www.ajb007.co.uk/index.php?topic=26476&cpage=1
I am a bit puzzled that he did not show up already. He usually bites after such posts like a dog into a sausage, his absence must be explained by serious illness or so.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Yes, Alison Doody is indeed quite the morsel. Her appearance in AVTAK is usually a crowning jewel for the people who aren't too keen on it (and the ones that do love it!). She went on to star in Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade and even had the opportunity to be in the LOTR movies, but pulled out due to the fact she'd be away from her family too long (she could've been part of 3 successful franchises!).
At the moment, there is speculation she is being considered for the part of Narcissa in HP6 which would be so wonderful due to the fact Alison has been playing icy cool women throughout her entire career, playing a Nazi twice!
But yes, Jenny Flex is indeed amazing, as in Alison and I hope to see her in movies soon.
Back to The World Is Not Enough. It is my choice for the worst Bond film. It has an interesting story and the drama between Bond, Electra, M, and Renard is done well. However, the action scenes are uninteresting and do not fit into the story well, the film looks like coffee, Brosnan is dull dull dull, and Denise Richards is quite bad. I prefer Bond to have some spark and the film to be more visually colorful.
Thats an interesting way to describe a film chris, how do you mean?
Same color.
oh ! i thought you meant disposable in a plastic cup!