The 20 Greatest Comic Book Movies

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  • TonyDPTonyDP Inside the MonolithPosts: 4,280MI6 Agent
    edited September 2011
    By way of AICN, here's a nice clear shot of Superman's new outfit. Note that the classic red shorts are no more. The belt is also missing and the suit's colors seem duller than prior versions. Looks better than in the prior version but I'm not sure I care for the general dullness of the colors. More pics can be seen here: http://www.aintitcool.com/node/51029

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  • darenhatdarenhat The Old PuebloPosts: 2,029Quartermasters
    Now that I have a closer look at it...I think it sucks.

    I'll be watching the whole movie thinking 'how does he put that suit on?'
  • HardyboyHardyboy Posts: 5,882Chief of Staff
    Looks like Clark Kent and Peter Parker have the same tailor. . .
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  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 10,274MI6 Agent
    That is pretty awful.

    You think they'd get round the red underpants by giving him a thick red belt or something to break it up.

    Though as a kid I never really got that he did have red underpants, thought it was all seamless.
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  • Mr MartiniMr Martini That nice house in the sky.Posts: 2,699MI6 Agent
    I don't like it either. And looking at the pictures from the link provided is what sealed it for me. Superman still has his red boots. Why couldn't they give him the red undies or a red belt?
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  • TonyDPTonyDP Inside the MonolithPosts: 4,280MI6 Agent
    The costume is clearly inspired by Superman's new duds in the comic book which also ditched the red shorts (ironically, Batman lost his black shorts in the comics several years ago as well). The comic version does give him a red belt which helps to balance the suit a bit more.

    While I don't hate the cinematic version, I do think that the absence of the red trunks and/or a belt, make it look a little too much like a jumpsuit and as previously mentioned, I also don't care for the dulled colors.

    Here's his new comic book suit:

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  • AlexAlex The Eastern SeaboardPosts: 2,694MI6 Agent
    More proof that Stan Lee is a money grubbing douche, since Jack Kirby's heirs are suing Marvel I guess one needs moola. It's ironic since initially SL didn't want to adapt Conan in 1969. How he can now claim the rights to a 1930s pulp adventure character is beyond me. To begin with most of Howard's stories are public domain. "100 percent of the proceeds" indeed!


    Stan Lee Media, Inc. files suit against 'Conan'

    by Annie Barrett

    Stan Lee Media, Inc., a company founded by comic book legend Stan Lee, wants a judge to rule that it is still the rightful owner of the character Conan the Barbarian. In a lawsuit filed Aug. 19 in federal court in L.A. and obtained by EW, SLMI is demanding 100 percent of the film’s proceeds. The company claims its bankruptcy in 2001 would have prevented anyone from taking the rights to the Conan character away. In the suit, Stan Lee Media, Inc. claims the company was betrayed by a former lawyer who made an illegal deal to transfer the rights to another company that would later green-light this summer’s Conan movie. The poorly reviewed remake earned $10 million on its opening weekend, barely beating the debut of the original Conan the Barbarian in 1982.
  • AlexAlex The Eastern SeaboardPosts: 2,694MI6 Agent
    TonyDP wrote:
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  • HardyboyHardyboy Posts: 5,882Chief of Staff
    Alex wrote:
    More proof that Stan Lee is a money grubbing douche. . .

    Nah, he's just mad 'cause a muscle-bound movie came out and he didn't get a cameo!
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  • Sir MilesSir Miles The Wrong Side Of The WardrobePosts: 26,569Chief of Staff
    TonyDP wrote:
    The costume is clearly inspired by Superman's new duds in the comic book which also ditched the red shorts (ironically, Batman lost his black shorts in the comics several years ago as well). The comic version does give him a red belt which helps to balance the suit a bit more.

    While I don't hate the cinematic version, I do think that the absence of the red trunks and/or a belt, make it look a little too much like a jumpsuit and as previously mentioned, I also don't care for the dulled colors.

    Here's his new comic book suit:

    jl01c.jpg

    Okay....I'm the other side of the pond and don't really feal any 'connection' with Superman as such....but that oufit really needs a red belt (at least) to 'break-up' the look of the suit...without it, it just doesn't 'look' right....
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  • TonyDPTonyDP Inside the MonolithPosts: 4,280MI6 Agent
    Hardyboy wrote:
    Alex wrote:
    More proof that Stan Lee is a money grubbing douche. . .

    Nah, he's just mad 'cause a muscle-bound movie came out and he didn't get a cameo!

    Poor Stan Lee; with each passing year he just gets more and more embarrassing. I thought the low point came when he went to a strip joint and came up with the the idea for a new heroine: Stripperella (later famously drawn to look like Pam Anderson).

    As for his wanting 100% of the proceeds from the new Conan movie, I say let him have it. After all, 100% of nothing is still nothing.
  • AlexAlex The Eastern SeaboardPosts: 2,694MI6 Agent
    I did see the film and character development stank to high heaven. What do you expect from Marcus Nispel? The most uninspiring, unoriginal director out there. The guy sucks so bad he should rent out as a Hoover. X-(


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    Stick 'em up ;)
  • RogueAgentRogueAgent Speeding in the Tumbler...Posts: 3,676MI6 Agent
    Trailer for THE AVENGERS is finally online:

    http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/168594-the-trailer-for-the-avengers-is-here


    I just love the old school feel of the tension between Iron Man and Cap. Reminded me of the comics as a kid. Love Stark's comeback. B-)
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  • JamesbondjrJamesbondjr Posts: 462MI6 Agent
    I've just seen The Avengers trailer and I thought it was really dull. It played just like every other Super-hero film trailer. I'm sure the film will be great and I can't wait to see it but that teaser was boooooooring! :#
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    I'm not a huge fan of the whole superhero genre, so my vote for best comic book movie would be "American Splendor," based on the comics of the same name by the late Harvey Pekar.
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  • darenhatdarenhat The Old PuebloPosts: 2,029Quartermasters
    RogueAgent wrote:
    Trailer for THE AVENGERS is finally online:

    http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/168594-the-trailer-for-the-avengers-is-here


    I just love the old school feel of the tension between Iron Man and Cap. Reminded me of the comics as a kid. Love Stark's comeback. B-)


    Sad to say that the trailer left me a little cold...but admittedly it's early and footage for a trailer is probably limited. Unfortunately, I'm not quite seeing any chemistry between the cast at this point. A couple of things that worry me is that because of the success of the Iron Man movies, there will be a disproportionate focus on Robert Downey Jr and the movie will seem more like Iron Man 2 1/2 and less like The Avengers. I'm also a little concerned that, based on the preview and the post-credit sequence in Captain America, Steve Rogers seems to have some sort of chip on his shoulder which was never really there in the 'original' comics. I know that the Civil War storyline pretty much cemented the fact that Rogers and Stark were foils of each other, but in my mind, that was never what the Avengers was about.
  • HardyboyHardyboy Posts: 5,882Chief of Staff
    What I'm wondering is why Cap never seems to wear his cowl. . .perhaps because he's got a well-known history everyone knows who he is, or is it just because Chris Evans is so darned hunky? As for the chip on his shoulder. . .well, remember, at the end of Captain America he was kind of cheesed-off about missing that date 66 years ago. . .
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  • RogueAgentRogueAgent Speeding in the Tumbler...Posts: 3,676MI6 Agent
    darenhat wrote:
    RogueAgent wrote:
    Trailer for THE AVENGERS is finally online:

    http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/168594-the-trailer-for-the-avengers-is-here


    I just love the old school feel of the tension between Iron Man and Cap. Reminded me of the comics as a kid. Love Stark's comeback. B-)


    Sad to say that the trailer left me a little cold...but admittedly it's early and footage for a trailer is probably limited. Unfortunately, I'm not quite seeing any chemistry between the cast at this point. A couple of things that worry me is that because of the success of the Iron Man movies, there will be a disproportionate focus on Robert Downey Jr and the movie will seem more like Iron Man 2 1/2 and less like The Avengers. I'm also a little concerned that, based on the preview and the post-credit sequence in Captain America, Steve Rogers seems to have some sort of chip on his shoulder which was never really there in the 'original' comics. I know that the Civil War storyline pretty much cemented the fact that Rogers and Stark were foils of each other, but in my mind, that was never what the Avengers was about.

    Actually, darenhat, you'd have to go back much further than that dreaded Civil War mess to know that there was a tinge of animosity on Cap's behalf towards Iron Man. It was in the original comics to my knowledge.

    Don't know if you've ever read Jim Shooter's story arc THE KORVAC SAGA from way back in the 70s but even then Cap and Iron Man were bumping heads on how the team should be lead but that was way before any of IM's teammates knew that he was Stark. They nearly came to blows in one instance but made a half-hearted effort to make ammends after the Scarlet Witch ripped into Cap for his attitude (at least that's how it was perceived to me). Now I haven't read that book since I was a kid but I remember that very clearly.

    I do agree that the trailer didn't give me goosebumps either and this was just something to whet alot of comic geeks appetites until a proper trailer is seen...probably around the Christmas holiday? My son went crazy over it though for obvious reasons. Please pardon me if I misunderstood your post though...

    Whedon worries me as the director on this; it's such an ambitious venture and I keep thinking that this is over his head.
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  • darenhatdarenhat The Old PuebloPosts: 2,029Quartermasters
    RogueAgent wrote:
    Actually, darenhat, you'd have to go back much further than that dreaded Civil War mess to know that there was a tinge of animosity on Cap's behalf towards Iron Man. It was in the original comics to my knowledge.

    Don't know if you've ever read Jim Shooter's story arc THE KORVAC SAGA from way back in the 70s but even then Cap and Iron Man were bumping heads on how the team should be lead but that was way before any of IM's teammates knew that he was Stark. They nearly came to blows in one instance but made a half-hearted effort to make ammends after the Scarlet Witch ripped into Cap for his attitude (at least that's how it was perceived to me). Now I haven't read that book since I was a kid but I remember that very clearly.

    I do agree that the trailer didn't give me goosebumps either and this was just something to whet alot of comic geeks appetites until a proper trailer is seen...probably around the Christmas holiday? My son went crazy over it though for obvious reasons.

    Whedon worries me as the director on this; it's such an ambitious venture and I keep thinking that this is over his head.

    Admittedly, I never got into the Avengers comics...I think I own one issue, but I'm not even sure it actually has Iron Man as a team member. As a kid, I followed Cap's and Iron Man's solo titles. So I'll take your lead regarding the veracity of the conflict undertones.

    Anyway...my one hope for this movie is that it sticks real close those famous Hostess Snack ads where the heroes stop the villian by throwing them a handful of Hostess Fruit Pies and thus saving the world...
  • TonyDPTonyDP Inside the MonolithPosts: 4,280MI6 Agent
    My only concern with the trailer is that it all seems a little talky, a criticism that has been leveled at a lot of director Joss Whedon's projects. The action looks good and the characters all look cool (except for Black Widow, who's down on one knee posture was old back in Iron Man II) but I just hope Whedon doesn't drown the film in dialog and exposition.
  • Barry NelsonBarry Nelson ChicagoPosts: 1,508MI6 Agent
    Went to a comic book store today with my son and noticed that all the DC comics have started their numbering over. All the various Batman's, Green Lantern etc, were numbered 1 through 5 (5 being the latest) They also had a little banner on the comics that said "The New 52" So my question is, what's up with that? Why start the numbering all over?

    My son picked up the Detective Comics Batman issues 1, 4 and 5. Two and three were out, although I should be able to pick them up at another store. I always thought the Detective Comics series was the best Batman.
  • TonyDPTonyDP Inside the MonolithPosts: 4,280MI6 Agent
    Went to a comic book store today with my son and noticed that all the DC comics have started their numbering over. All the various Batman's, Green Lantern etc, were numbered 1 through 5 (5 being the latest) They also had a little banner on the comics that said "The New 52" So my question is, what's up with that? Why start the numbering all over?

    My son picked up the Detective Comics Batman issues 1, 4 and 5. Two and three were out, although I should be able to pick them up at another store. I always thought the Detective Comics series was the best Batman.

    I haven't followed comics in years but from what I've read, the DC universe was basically rebooted again and all the books set to No. 1; its not an uncommon practice to do this periodically both for marketing reasons ("Here's your chance to own a genuine Batman #1!") as well as to clean up the many continuity issues that comics suffer from so many overlapping storylines.
  • Mr BeechMr Beech Florida, USAPosts: 1,749MI6 Agent
    The Dark Knight, Sin City, and Watchmen are the only three I really like. Not a huge fan of the average "superhero in our world with superpowers"plots. I like Watchmen as one of the darker stories with a cast of heroes and antiheroes in a deeper alternate history instead of our standard timeline.
  • TonyDPTonyDP Inside the MonolithPosts: 4,280MI6 Agent
    Mr Beech wrote:
    The Dark Knight, Sin City, and Watchmen are the only three I really like. Not a huge fan of the average "superhero in our world with superpowers"plots. I like Watchmen as one of the darker stories with a cast of heroes and antiheroes in a deeper alternate history instead of our standard timeline.

    The more I watch Watchmen, the more I think it's the best comic book adaptation yet made. While I wasn't much of a fan of the original comic, I thought Zack Snyder did an outstanding job of adapting such a complex book into a relatively short 3 hour film. Its always nice when a filmmaker embraces the source material so strongly (one of the few complaints I have of Nolan's Batman films) and I'm hopeful that, despite the so-so images released so far, Snyder will be able to do Superman justice next year as well.

    If you gravitate towards the superhero without superpowers, you may want to check out Marvel's "The Punisher". Frank Castle can best be described as Batman's dark half, as he is another vigilante who has lost his family but has no qualms about killing his adversaries (in often gruesome ways). Its not particularly my cup of tea but fans of Batman and more "grounded" heroes seem to get some mileage out of him. There have also been a few movie adaptations made of the book though none of them are particularly memorable.
  • Mr BeechMr Beech Florida, USAPosts: 1,749MI6 Agent
    TonyDP wrote:
    Mr Beech wrote:
    The Dark Knight, Sin City, and Watchmen are the only three I really like. Not a huge fan of the average "superhero in our world with superpowers"plots. I like Watchmen as one of the darker stories with a cast of heroes and antiheroes in a deeper alternate history instead of our standard timeline.

    The more I watch Watchmen, the more I think it's the best comic book adaptation yet made. While I wasn't much of a fan of the original comic, I thought Zack Snyder did an outstanding job of adapting such a complex book into a relatively short 3 hour film. Its always nice when a filmmaker embraces the source material so strongly (one of the few complaints I have of Nolan's Batman films) and I'm hopeful that, despite the so-so images released so far, Snyder will be able to do Superman justice next year as well.

    If you gravitate towards the superhero without superpowers, you may want to check out Marvel's "The Punisher". Frank Castle can best be described as Batman's dark half, as he is another vigilante who has lost his family but has no qualms about killing his adversaries (in often gruesome ways). Its not particularly my cup of tea but fans of Batman and more "grounded" heroes seem to get some mileage out of him. There have also been a few movie adaptations made of the book though none of them are particularly memorable.

    I sort of feel like people didn't "get" Watchmen. Some people dismissed it for not covering all the content in the Graphic Novel, some dismissed it for being strange, and some said it was too much going on and tried too hard to delve into its own darkness without considering audiences. I personally think it may indeed be the best, at the very least one of them. Several critics have looked back and related it to a sort of Blade Runner (not that I am saying Watchmen is better or its equal) situation where it gets shuffled away and under-appreciated and that it may take time for the message and its bold and unique place in comic book films to be recognized.

    It even says in the Rotten Tomatoes aggregate: "Gritty and visually striking, Watchmen is a faithful adaptation of Alan Moore's graphic novel, but its complex narrative structure may make it difficult for it to appeal to viewers not already familiar with the source material." I can't say the complexity was at all off-putting for me, who didn't read the graphic novel until after seeing the film.

    I really love Watchmen and hope it gets more open reception eventually. Compared to other comic book movies, I am unsure of how you can't see its strength.

    I'll look into The Punisher as well. I find Marvel to be on the shallower side, but I'm no diehard. I just happened to notice that the comic films I like are from DC usually. The Punisher is not the usual Marvel lead, so I may enjoy that.
  • TonyDPTonyDP Inside the MonolithPosts: 4,280MI6 Agent
    Watchmen's problem was that is never really found an audience, and was probably doomed to fail given all the unrealistic expectations of those involved.

    The hardcore fans of the book nitpicked it to death before it even premiered, condemning Snyder for slightly changing the ending and dropping certain subplots. The problem with most fanboys is that they've already formed preconceptions about how the film should look, who should be cast, and what parts should be retained and jettisoned. So of course, the movie would not be able to meet their expectations.

    Alan Moore (who co-wrote the book) pretty much condemned it before a single frame was shot, his rationale being that Hollywood had screwed up prior adaptations of his work and that in his mind the book was unfilmable.

    The general moviegoing audience probably, as you said, didn't get it because you had all these flawed characters and this deeply layered plot (though in fairness to the screenwriters, my brother had no trouble following the story and he'd never read the books).

    I remember more than a few critics taking the film to take because all the leads were damaged, completely missing the point of the film: that anyone who dresses up in tights to go fight crime would be by definition, somewhat damaged.

    The analogy to Bladerunner is a pretty good one as Watchmen is the kind of film that is best enjoyed at home, where you can take the time to analyze it and enjoy it at your own pace and in the long run I think that is where it will find its audience and following.


    If you're more into DC than Marvel, another book may want to check out is Green Arrow. GA is another hero without superpowers; his specialty is that he is a master archer and his bag of tricks involves specialized arrows. Again, not really my thing (I enjoyed the superpowered heroes more when I followed the books) but as a contemporary of Batman he's another one that you may get some enjoyment out of.
  • Mr BeechMr Beech Florida, USAPosts: 1,749MI6 Agent
    TonyDP wrote:
    Watchmen's problem was that is never really found an audience, and was probably doomed to fail given all the unrealistic expectations of those involved.

    The general moviegoing audience probably, as you said, didn't get it because you had all these flawed characters and this deeply layered plot (though in fairness to the screenwriters, my brother had no trouble following the story and he'd never read the books).

    A point here, that is actually something I love about Watchmen, is that the heroes do some morally dark things that make it so you can't just say you like them without question (I believe I have read that it is one of the points of the Watchmen, to be different in that way from most hero stories). The Comedian saves people, but he hurts and kills others. Doctor Manhattan has no human emotions of his own and relies on attempts to understand it, which leads to some brutal kills and a lack of commitment to humanity in ways. Rorschach is an antihero throughout. Ozymandias will kill some to save others while he climbs in power. We are left with Silk Spectre and Nite Owl to relate to, but their very human faults pushes the temptation to idolize the other members still.

    And the opening credits are one of my favorite parts of any movie. The first slo-mo shot is quite a good DC reference to another of their most famous heroes, too.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uj_QfMEEr8
  • TonyDPTonyDP Inside the MonolithPosts: 4,280MI6 Agent
    An extended teaser from The Avengers is up; this is the Superbowl spot with some additional footage tacked on at the end....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=bGt-saFvkNk
  • Mr MartiniMr Martini That nice house in the sky.Posts: 2,699MI6 Agent
    TonyDP wrote:
    An extended teaser from The Avengers is up; this is the Superbowl spot with some additional footage tacked on at the end....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=bGt-saFvkNk


    Was that Loki I saw talking to Tony Stark? His he the villain?
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  • TonyDPTonyDP Inside the MonolithPosts: 4,280MI6 Agent
    Mr Martini wrote:
    TonyDP wrote:
    An extended teaser from The Avengers is up; this is the Superbowl spot with some additional footage tacked on at the end....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=bGt-saFvkNk


    Was that Loki I saw talking to Tony Stark? His he the villain?

    Yup; as far as I know he is one of the villains.
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