I agree we should stop this (off-)topic soon, but I can't help posting one more comment.
Hypenated americans are usually named after this system: ethnic group or non-american origin nationality + american. In other words the first part signifies what ethnic group or non-american nationality your family comes from. It makes no sense to use the "american nation + american"- system. I reacted because I suspect the origin of the cuban-american hypenation (is that a word?) comes from a notion that The United States of America IS America. I have heard of latin- americans being asked by US citisens if they plan to move to America....
I'm planning to return to the topic of James Bond now. If you have more comments to this off-topic topic I started, feel free to do so. I feel I have made the comments I wanted to make.
Fair enough. I'm also getting tired of this off-topic discussion, and want to get back to discussing Bond-related matters. So, I'll just refer to Ms. Santiago as a "hot babe who lives in the US, who is an actress, and whose family came from Cuba". Now, I'm sure I'll get some flames from someone because of my "hot babe" joke
Perhaps it will be shorter to call her "the hot latino babe"? It's shorter and wonderfully un-PC!
A good candidate, by the way. (But Paz Vega is better )
I reacted because I suspect the origin of the cuban-american hypenation (is that a word?) comes from a notion that The United States of America IS America. I have heard of latin- americans being asked by US citisens if they plan to move to America....
You've hit the nail on the head, No. 24. In the western hemisphere, "American" does indeed mean someone from the United States. Though the two continents are both called America, it's only those from the U.S. who use the name of the continent as part of the name of the country and as a national identification. It isn't something we do because we think we own the name and arrogantly insist others follow suit: it's just the way it is. People from Canada think of themselves as Canadians, not Americans or as les Americains; those from Mexico are Mexicans (well, Mexicanos/Mexicanas) and not Americanos. Same is true of Brazilians, Venuezalans, Costa Ricans, etc. Likewise, when someone says they are going to America, they are indeed talking about the U.S. and not, say, Brazil.
And that's all I'll say. As for "Hot," that word is appropriate no matter the nationality or ethnicity of the babe in question!
. . .And here's what we need to (slightly) change the subject: more babe buzz! Stax at IGN is reporting on Babs' desire for a Latina actress (hmmmm--that doesn't sound right), and is also reporting that the producers are in Israel looking for a--I kid you not--Spanish actress. Here's the pertinent info:
FilmJerk.com claims, "According to casting notices sent out this morning, producers Barbara Broccoli and Michael G. Wilson are looking for a Latina actress in her late twenties, preferably with South American roots. Despite their plea that prospective talent not be worried about fitting the traditional Bond Girl look, since this is the 'new' Bond series, she must be quite beautiful, able to handle what promises to be a physically demanding role, fluent in English and, last but most certainly not least, a great actress."
Meanwhile, YnetNews.com reports, "The producers of the next Bond film are now looking for the next Bond girl to star in the 22nd film in the series. This time around, their search has also brought them to Israel. ... Unfortunately, the character of the new girl in the script will not be Israeli but Spanish, yet according to the producers a dark-skinned Israeli girl could also fit the role."
The site adds that "casting director Bruria Elback will be in charge of Israeli casting," and that Bond 22 "will primarily be shot on location in Italy."
So, we could have the Spanish Paz Vega as a Latin American and an Israeli actress as a Spaniard--sort of like the French Scotsman and Scottish Spaniard from Highlander. Oh, and the Stax article also mentions something about Daniel Radcliffe playing Young Bond, but the less said about that, the better.
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So, we could have the Spanish Paz Vega as a Latin American and an Israeli actress as a Spaniard--sort of like the French Scotsman and Scottish Spaniard from Highlander.
Oh, and the Stax article also mentions something about Daniel Radcliffe playing Young Bond, but the less said about that, the better.
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After the way EON casted CR, I'm pretty sure of two things: the Latina they cast will be awesome--and not to Barry's liking.
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edited September 2007
I'm sorry to go on about this, I know it is off- topic, but I just read it today and I felt a dire need to respond considering the error made in this comment that is made way to often in my opinion. Seeing as where I'm from I hope you all can understand and don't mind the correction. I won't go on any further about it from here.
But what is Cuban-american? If a person is Cuban there is no reason to ad that he/she is american, because Cuba is an american country! It's like saying someone is canadian-american, USA-American, argentinian-american or in my case ... norwegian-european ...
Don't take this personally, but I can see you are from Norway. Cuba is in NO way shape or form an American country. Despite the fact that it is about 900 miles off the coast of southern Florida it is in fact a part of the Antilles and a Caribbean country.
It is not your fault for making this mistake, many people aren't really taught much about the Caribbean unless their country had some involvement with the colonization of an island. I live in Puerto Rico and I can tell you 2 things about being from the Caribbean. Firstly, when I tell people from other countries where I'm from they usually ask me where it is and sometimes they ask me if we have cars and electricity here. Secondly, from the fraternal relationship that PR used to have with Cuba and their disdain for the fact that we remain an American colony, it would be quite insulting to a Cuban to call their country American, especially considering 2 important facts. 1 the US tried to invade Cuba and 2 the US put an embargo on Cuba to prevent it from doing business internationally with the US's allies. Now I know when you say America you mean it as the whole continent (I'm assuming) but generally people on the other side of the pond interpret that as the USA. So if you are of Cuban parents but were born in the USA, then yes, you can be Cuban-american. Hope this cleared some things up for you.
I'm sorry to go on about this, I know it is off- topic, but I just read it today and I felt a dire need to respond considering the error made in this comment that is made way to often in my opinion. Seeing as where I'm from I hope you all can understand and don't mind the correction. I won't go on any further about it from here.
But what is Cuban-american? If a person is Cuban there is no reason to ad that he/she is american, because Cuba is an american country! It's like saying someone is canadian-american, USA-American, argentinian-american or in my case ... norwegian-european ...
Don't take this personally, but I can see you are from Norway. Cuba is in NO way shape or form an American country. Despite the fact that it is about 900 miles off the coast of southern Florida it is in fact a part of the Antilles and a Caribbean country.
It is not your fault for making this mistake, many people aren't really taught much about the Caribbean unless their country had some involvement with the colonization of an island. I live in Puerto Rico and I can tell you 2 things about being from the Caribbean. Firstly, when I tell people from other countries where I'm from they usually ask me where it is and sometimes they ask me if we have cars and electricity here. Secondly, from the fraternal relationship that PR used to have with Cuba and their disdain for the fact that we remain an American colony, it would be quite insulting to a Cuban to call their country American, especially considering 2 important facts. 1 the US tried to invade Cuba and 2 the US put an embargo on Cuba to prevent it from doing business internationally with the US's allies. Now I know when you say America you mean it as the whole continent (I'm assuming) but generally people on the other side of the pond interpret that as the USA. So if you are of Cuban parents but were born in the USA, then yes, you can be Cuban-american. Hope this cleared some things up for you.
I really thought this discussion is over, but there you go. I'll have to ask you:
-If the Caribbean isn't american, what continent is it a part of? Europe, Africa, Antartica perhaps? ?:) Or it is a continent by itself?
Is it not a part of America because it consists of islands? By the same logic the United Kingdom and Iceland isn't european and Madagascar isn't african.
Having been or being a colony doesn't exclude a country or island from a continent because a continent is a geographical entity and not a political one. Panama has been a colony of the US, but it's still in america last time I checked. Nicaragua was boycoted by the US in the 80's but it's still in an american country.
If you don't consider yourself american and if most people in latin america don't consider themself american, I can't argue with that part. That's sosial mentality and it is what it is.
Sorry I got dragged into this discussion again. I'm a weak soul and I know it.
Perhaps it will be shorter to call her "the hot latino babe"? It's shorter and wonderfully un-PC!
A good candidate, by the way. (But Paz Vega is better )
No J. Lo, please. She's had too much exposure, and I can't think of her as "exotic" any more. I prefer someone who is not too well-known, so that she can bring an element of freshness and mystery to the mix.
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Works for me :x
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Josie recently had to take a quick exit out of the "Dancing With the Stars" show, a dance competition on US TV. She seemed to take that rather hard. (Those judges were brutal with her; if I were a judge, she would have gotten some "style" points from me ).
Anyway, being picked as the next Bond girl would cheer her up considerably .
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MI6 is reporting that three Brazilian actresses are going to test for Bond #22:
Of the three, the first one, Camila Alves, would be my first choice, :x and Fernanda Lima would be my second favourite.
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This is what I've been hoping for since the latina rumour started! Beautifull, internationally unknown and good actresses (?)
When I first read the rumour I thought it was a matter of hours before a small group of Hollywood superstars with more or less latina blood would be suggested by everyone and his brother.I'm pleased to say that didn't really happen.
Of the three, the first one, Camila Alves, would be my first choice, :x and Fernanda Lima would be my second favourite.
Fantastic. I agree with you Loeff on Alves and Lima. I think both would be absolutely fantastic, although I probably would prefer Lima.
"He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
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I agree with you Loeff on Alves and Lima. I think both would be absolutely fantastic, although I probably would prefer Lima.
Wouldn't it be lovely to not fight over an aspect of the next Bond film---especially the Bond girl? {[]
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Wouldn't it be lovely to not fight over an aspect of the next Bond film---especially the Bond girl? {[]
Trust me, when it comes to these particular potential Bond girls, I'm not fighting with you. )
"He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
I think the best way for Eon to screen-test them is in a Dating Game scenario. Get Dan (Craig not Same), to dress up in his tux and ask questions to the three girls while in character. Michael Wilson can be the Chuck Barris-style host.
"My first question is for contestant number 1. I’m in a casino. You’re in a casino. I move towards you and make several remarks that could be considered as sexual innuendo. Do you?
a) Return the innuendo; agree to accompany me on a really dangerous mission; promise to get jiggy in a submarine just as MI6 establish a visual connection and beam back pictures of us at it to the British Prime Minister.
b) Give me a lecture on the role of the modern girl in a post-feminist world, before slapping my face and emptying my vodka-martini over my nice Italian loafers.
Of the three, the first one, Camila Alves, would be my first choice, :x and Fernanda Lima would be my second favourite.
Fantastic. I agree with you Loeff on Alves and Lima. I think both would be absolutely fantastic, although I probably would prefer Lima.
I would rate Fernanda Lima #1, followed by Camila Alves, and would be happy if either one is chosen.
Somehow, I'm not too impressed with Juliana Paes, though.
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Somehow, I'm not too impressed with Juliana Paes, though.
I agree. She looks rather 'prepackaged,' like scenery for a game show. The other two seem more 'real' to me.
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They all look good, but the question is, can they act? I think Eva Green really raised the stakes for Bond girls--a supermodel (which all three women could be) just doesn't cut it any more.
I think the best way for Eon to screen-test them is in a Dating Game scenario. Get Dan (Craig not Same), to dress up in his tux and ask questions to the three girls while in character. Michael Wilson can be the Chuck Barris-style host.
"My first question is for contestant number 1. I’m in a casino. You’re in a casino. I move towards you and make several remarks that could be considered as sexual innuendo. Do you?
a) Return the innuendo; agree to accompany me on a really dangerous mission; promise to get jiggy in a submarine just as MI6 establish a visual connection and beam back pictures of us at it to the British Prime Minister.
b) Give me a lecture on the role of the modern girl in a post-feminist world, before slapping my face and emptying my vodka-martini over my nice Italian loafers.
c) "Say, “Actually, I used to be a man.”
) I really wish that c would happen. I would love to see Bond's reaction. )
"He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
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They all look good, but the question is, can they act? I think Eva Green really raised the stakes for Bond girls--a supermodel (which all three women could be) just doesn't cut it any more.
Or as JFF would put it, Eva Green has given hope to all those women of the undead who aspire to become Bond girls. )
Hardyboy is absolutely right. The latest batch of lovelies, rumored to be considered for Bond #22, are all incredibly beautiful. But if they can't act their way out of a paper bag, they're unusable as far as I'm concerned. Uh...for the film anyway.
"My acting range? Left eyebrow raised, right eyebrow raised..."
They all look good, but the question is, can they act? I think Eva Green really raised the stakes for Bond girls--a supermodel (which all three women could be) just doesn't cut it any more.
I agree with you, Hardy. Eva Green definitely set the bar higher for those to follow. Hopefully the standard can be maintained...
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Hypenated americans are usually named after this system: ethnic group or non-american origin nationality + american. In other words the first part signifies what ethnic group or non-american nationality your family comes from. It makes no sense to use the "american nation + american"- system. I reacted because I suspect the origin of the cuban-american hypenation (is that a word?) comes from a notion that The United States of America IS America. I have heard of latin- americans being asked by US citisens if they plan to move to America....
I'm planning to return to the topic of James Bond now. If you have more comments to this off-topic topic I started, feel free to do so. I feel I have made the comments I wanted to make.
A good candidate, by the way. (But Paz Vega is better
You've hit the nail on the head, No. 24. In the western hemisphere, "American" does indeed mean someone from the United States. Though the two continents are both called America, it's only those from the U.S. who use the name of the continent as part of the name of the country and as a national identification. It isn't something we do because we think we own the name and arrogantly insist others follow suit: it's just the way it is. People from Canada think of themselves as Canadians, not Americans or as les Americains; those from Mexico are Mexicans (well, Mexicanos/Mexicanas) and not Americanos. Same is true of Brazilians, Venuezalans, Costa Ricans, etc. Likewise, when someone says they are going to America, they are indeed talking about the U.S. and not, say, Brazil.
And that's all I'll say. As for "Hot," that word is appropriate no matter the nationality or ethnicity of the babe in question!
FilmJerk.com claims, "According to casting notices sent out this morning, producers Barbara Broccoli and Michael G. Wilson are looking for a Latina actress in her late twenties, preferably with South American roots. Despite their plea that prospective talent not be worried about fitting the traditional Bond Girl look, since this is the 'new' Bond series, she must be quite beautiful, able to handle what promises to be a physically demanding role, fluent in English and, last but most certainly not least, a great actress."
Meanwhile, YnetNews.com reports, "The producers of the next Bond film are now looking for the next Bond girl to star in the 22nd film in the series. This time around, their search has also brought them to Israel. ... Unfortunately, the character of the new girl in the script will not be Israeli but Spanish, yet according to the producers a dark-skinned Israeli girl could also fit the role."
The site adds that "casting director Bruria Elback will be in charge of Israeli casting," and that Bond 22 "will primarily be shot on location in Italy."
So, we could have the Spanish Paz Vega as a Latin American and an Israeli actress as a Spaniard--sort of like the French Scotsman and Scottish Spaniard from Highlander. Oh, and the Stax article also mentions something about Daniel Radcliffe playing Young Bond, but the less said about that, the better.
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
Don't take this personally, but I can see you are from Norway. Cuba is in NO way shape or form an American country. Despite the fact that it is about 900 miles off the coast of southern Florida it is in fact a part of the Antilles and a Caribbean country.
It is not your fault for making this mistake, many people aren't really taught much about the Caribbean unless their country had some involvement with the colonization of an island. I live in Puerto Rico and I can tell you 2 things about being from the Caribbean. Firstly, when I tell people from other countries where I'm from they usually ask me where it is and sometimes they ask me if we have cars and electricity here. Secondly, from the fraternal relationship that PR used to have with Cuba and their disdain for the fact that we remain an American colony, it would be quite insulting to a Cuban to call their country American, especially considering 2 important facts. 1 the US tried to invade Cuba and 2 the US put an embargo on Cuba to prevent it from doing business internationally with the US's allies. Now I know when you say America you mean it as the whole continent (I'm assuming) but generally people on the other side of the pond interpret that as the USA. So if you are of Cuban parents but were born in the USA, then yes, you can be Cuban-american. Hope this cleared some things up for you.
I'm glad I was not mistaken with my original remark
I really thought this discussion is over, but there you go. I'll have to ask you:
-If the Caribbean isn't american, what continent is it a part of? Europe, Africa, Antartica perhaps? ?:) Or it is a continent by itself?
Is it not a part of America because it consists of islands? By the same logic the United Kingdom and Iceland isn't european and Madagascar isn't african.
Having been or being a colony doesn't exclude a country or island from a continent because a continent is a geographical entity and not a political one. Panama has been a colony of the US, but it's still in america last time I checked. Nicaragua was boycoted by the US in the 80's but it's still in an american country.
If you don't consider yourself american and if most people in latin america don't consider themself american, I can't argue with that part. That's sosial mentality and it is what it is.
Sorry I got dragged into this discussion again. I'm a weak soul and I know it.
[img=http://xboxmedia.gamespy.com/xbox/image/article/663/663500/need-for-speed-most-wanted-20051101040732201-000.jpg]Here's another one that I like:[/img]
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
Anyway, being picked as the next Bond girl would cheer her up considerably
http://www.mi6.co.uk/sections/articles/bond_22_preprod_diary14.php3?t=&s=
Of the three, the first one, Camila Alves, would be my first choice,
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
When I first read the rumour I thought it was a matter of hours before a small group of Hollywood superstars with more or less latina blood would be suggested by everyone and his brother.I'm pleased to say that didn't really happen.
Wouldn't it be lovely to not fight over an aspect of the next Bond film---especially the Bond girl? {[]
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
I think the best way for Eon to screen-test them is in a Dating Game scenario. Get Dan (Craig not Same), to dress up in his tux and ask questions to the three girls while in character. Michael Wilson can be the Chuck Barris-style host.
"My first question is for contestant number 1. I’m in a casino. You’re in a casino. I move towards you and make several remarks that could be considered as sexual innuendo. Do you?
a) Return the innuendo; agree to accompany me on a really dangerous mission; promise to get jiggy in a submarine just as MI6 establish a visual connection and beam back pictures of us at it to the British Prime Minister.
b) Give me a lecture on the role of the modern girl in a post-feminist world, before slapping my face and emptying my vodka-martini over my nice Italian loafers.
c) "Say, “Actually, I used to be a man.”
I would rate Fernanda Lima #1, followed by Camila Alves, and would be happy if either one is chosen.
Somehow, I'm not too impressed with Juliana Paes, though.
I agree. She looks rather 'prepackaged,' like scenery for a game show. The other two seem more 'real' to me.
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
Or as JFF would put it, Eva Green has given hope to all those women of the undead who aspire to become Bond girls.
Hardyboy is absolutely right. The latest batch of lovelies, rumored to be considered for Bond #22, are all incredibly beautiful. But if they can't act their way out of a paper bag, they're unusable as far as I'm concerned. Uh...for the film anyway.
-Roger Moore
I agree with you, Hardy. Eva Green definitely set the bar higher for those to follow. Hopefully the standard can be maintained...
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM