An idea I had for the ending, harking back to those old pitched battles.
Once Bond finds the villain's base, and just as the villain is calibrating his laser toy, have a SAS assault force storm the base, coming to 007's rescue. Bond kills the villain of course.
Why is it Bond isn't allowed to capture the villain for once?
The villain can escape in a film or two's time for a sequel. And Bond did catch Rosa Klebb in the book version of From Russia with Love.
O/t for a sec, in the film FRWL, why was Kronsteen killed for failure? The choice of the girl was Klebb's.
Tee HeeCBT Headquarters: Chicago, ILPosts: 917MI6 Agent
I have mentioned "Dreamfall" as a possible title in the past. Here is a small plot idea that might fit that title:
The finish communications company (Not Nokia, but I still think Sony might like this ...) has made the next generation of mobile phone (not iPhone, but this is getting better and better for Sony!)
It could be something else, like the next central processor for PC's or operative system for PC's and mobile phones. Whatever it is, it must promise to revolutionize private communication and likely to be the next industry standard. What the public don't know is that this McGuffin makes it extremly easy for the manufacturer to surveilance anything near the devices. It would in reality be the end of privacy (this is the "dreamfall" of the title). Inteligence agencies, crimminal organisations, media corporations. There are many who would be interested in this ability.
I think surveilance and loss of personal privacy is a very good topic, and very much an issue today.
I'd like to see them make Moonraker. It would be a perfect follow up to CR. Cards, action, intrigue, and you still wouldn't have to put a finger on the enemy organization, just continue to allude to it.
Of course, I'm not entirely against them using the FSB as bad guys. The Russians have certainly been stepping up their international spying and Putin is old KGB. It's the same old game, the monograms are just different. It could be whatever the new equivalent to SMERSH is. Two words: Alexander Litvinenko.
Yes, and do it right this time- unlike the two previous financially winning but critically losing versions. Having used a plot already has never stopped EON before!
Some interesting thoughts, Clarky. But first of all, the title Moonraker is probably out of the question anyway, because that reminds people of the kind of Bond film they don't want to make.
And FSB is a much more powerfull version of MI5/FBI. The foreign inteligence serice is FSR.
Some interesting thoughts, Clarky. But first of all, the title Moonraker is probably out of the question anyway, because that reminds people of the kind of Bond film they don't want to make.
And FSB is a much more powerfull version of MI5/FBI. The foreign inteligence serice is FSR.
You are probably right the name Moonraker is out but the storyline is tight and I would love to see them use Ian Flemings stories instead of the completely or nearly completely random stories that have been done. In my opinion, they would do well to just redo the movies that departed from the originals.
In that case, Most of the Sean Connery movies could stay intact. I'd like to see them remake Live and Let Die and the rest after that. Ok, I know what you are thinking. They could do without remaking The Spy Who Loved Me like the book.
Now as for the Russians: The Russian foreign intelligence agency is the SVR. They split from the FSB shortly after FSB's reformation from the KGB. Having said that, I still think that if there were a modern version of SMERSH it would fall under the auspices of the FSB not SVR, being that its mission statement would be issues of internal security rather than foreign security.
Having said that my conclusions are merely suppositional and I don't know definitively the structure of a modern SMERSH, if there is one. But, I think Ian Fleming wrote the truth about the global espionage for the most part. I think there is no reason to not just update it for modern times. The scenarios of the intelligence community are, in some ways, closer to the early 50's than the post Kennedy and Macmillan Cold War.
Clearly the further the EON Producers stray from "The Master's" materials, the worse the films get and the essential James Bond whom everyone loves gets lost.
In a perfect world the next film should be "Live and Let Die" and not some madeup piffle. The original novel was barely utilized in the Moore version. Repetition is nothing new in Bond films and oo7 could almost be used as a metaphor for "formula film".
Since we can't expect Fleming's work to be refreshed to any great extent, look to the end of CR. Bond is ready to toss Vesper's handbag into the canals of Venice, but he fingers a seashell and checks her "electronic device" - which leads him to Mr. White in the same way Dimitrios lead to Le Chiffre...
There is only one title suitable for the next film - "The Property of a Lady".
They should use Risico, Quantum of Solace and Property of A Lady as future film titles. There's going to be a Moonraker remake and the rumour is that Roger Moore has been approached to play Bond in the remake. Just like Sean Connery in Never Say Never Again.
There's going to be a Moonraker remake and the rumour is that Roger Moore has been approached to play Bond in the remake. Just like Sean Connery in Never Say Never Again.
Where did you hear this?
"He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
I think one of the things that is positive about my "Dreamfall" idea (see previous post), is the Helsinki, Finland location. It is a classic cold war location but unused by the Bond films. Now this cold war location can appear in a different kind of plot. First look at the city centre: http://www.touringcars.fi/uploadkuvat/2006_images/Helsinki.gif
It looks right, doesn't it? I also think it's a good excuse for a return to the something remicent of the classic Ken Adam interior designs. Finland is famous for its arcitecture and design, so it will make very good sense to dream up some magnificent houses.
I’m cribbing some plot points from an earlier idea I posted in another thread, but here’s a scenario I like. I could envision a number of dramatic “character” moments as well as plenty of action. And it would go well with Gassy Man and others' “For Queen and Country” title.
Bond is assigned by M to seek out and learn as much as possible about the terrorist organization behind LeChiffre and Mr. White. Bond relishes the task, but not so much because he understands how important information concerning this shadowy group is to the world: what M referred to as the “Big Picture” in Casino Royale. He figures that while he’s at it, he’ll exercise his license to kill in the line of duty and put a bullet in whoever it was who drew Vesper into the Casino Royale caper. That person should not be the organization’s Number One guy, but a pretty important planner for the group. It could be the Algerian boyfriend, as some have suggested. He’s a real ******* who used a woman who loved him and that Bond loved in a plot that got her killed. Bond wants to kill him so badly he can taste it.
But during the course of his investigation (perhaps Bond infiltrates the group), he discovers something about the guy — this is some sort of Hitchcokian “mcguffin” — that makes him supremely important to the security of the world and that the Organization itself has marked him for death for some reason (an internal power struggle perhaps, like Hamas and Fatah). These developments force Bond to see the Big Picture. And so, “for Queen and Country,” Bond sets aside his personal feelings and risks his own life to protect the boyfriend and, against impossible odds, bring him back to Britain.
The film could end with the boyfriend being promised a lavish lifestyle in the West in exchange for cooperating, which he does gladly. Somehow, the film conveys that Bond is surprised that he isn't angry. We are left with the knowledge that Bond has accepted the fact that espionage is a cold, amoral business.
Very, very good Highhopes! I think that guy should be the algerian boyfriend. But I think Bond should find out later that the guy has/will play both sides and it becomes neccesary to kill him.
I have a plot point I hope people will like, particularely because it brings back Moneypenny. I see it introduced in Bond 22 and resolved in Bond 23:
M's personal assistant Villiers finds some crucial information (perhaps that the boyfriend has a bigger plan than the one Bond fights in Bond 22) and hurries to inform M. But he is killed before he can share it. He might even be done away with in such a way the MI6 must consider the possibility he might have been bent.
The new information should not be shown to the audience or in such a way the audience don't understand what it means. This way the central idea of Highhopes plot and title will not be ruined. The new personal assistance (played by Honeysucle Weeks http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0917320/) steps inn.
In Bond 23 they discover what Villiers found a piece of in Bond 22, and the plot evolves from there.
Very, very good Highhopes! I think that guy should be the algerian boyfriend. But I think Bond should find out later that the guy has/will play both sides and it becomes neccesary to kill him.
I have a plot point I hope people will like, particularely because it brings back Moneypenny. I see it introduced in Bond 22 and resolved in Bond 23:
M's personal assistant Villiers finds some crucial information (perhaps that the boyfriend has a bigger plan than the one Bond fights in Bond 22) and hurries to inform M. But he is killed before he can share it. He might even be done away with in such a way the MI6 must consider the possibility he might have been bent.
The new information should not be shown to the audience or in such a way the audience don't understand what it means. This way the central idea of Highhopes plot and title will not be ruined. The new personal assistance (played by Honeysucle Weeks http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0917320/) steps inn.
In Bond 23 they discover what Villiers found a piece of in Bond 22, and the plot evolves from there.
That could make a fine segue into Bond 23, Number 24. Just like Mr. White in the CR finale. Maybe Bond doesn't kill the boyfriend. Maybe it's a coda to the main story , with one of those "One Year Later" tags. Western intelligence officials for some reason have to contact the boyfriend again, who is enjoying his ill-gotten gains on some island paradise somewhere after giving the Western powers what they want. He's in a kind of a witness protection program for terrorist traitors. He's had extensive plastic surgery. He's constanly with bodyguards. Villiers is among the officials as M and MI-6's representative. Men burst into the meeting place and kill them all. The meeting led to the boyfriend's cover being blown. This could even be off camera. Cue the new assistant, who calls Bond -- who perhaps is on holiday at the time -- to M's office. Bond flirts with her, asks who she is. She says she's Villiers replacement. Bond makes a joke about him being a bit young to retire. She tells him he's dead.
M on the intercom then cuts in and says: "Come in 007, I have a job for you ..." Cue the credits
Something like that.
I like most of your ideas, Highhopes. I lie the witnes protection program angle and I like the "I have a job for you"- scene. But I think Villiers should be asassinated because he has important information, not the chance victim of a raid.
Perhaps someone contacts Villiers one late night because he is less high profile and less likely to be shadowed than M herself. Villiers hurries to M's appartment to deliver the horrifying news eye-to-eye, but he is asassinated quietly at the front door of the appartment complex. The method should be something origional, but low-tec.
Villiers should phone M saying he has very disturbing information (essentially the plot of Bond 23, or at least knowledge of the algerian's true lojalty). He will not say any more out of fear of the phone being tapped. Perhaps he is murdered in the elevator. The elevator doors slide open, the killer is gone but a shocked M sees Villiers dead on the floor of the elevator?
I like most of your ideas, Highhopes. I lie the witnes protection program angle and I like the "I have a job for you"- scene. But I think Villiers should be asassinated because he has important information, not the chance victim of a raid.
Perhaps someone contacts Villiers one late night because he is less high profile and less likely to be shadowed than M herself. Villiers hurries to M's appartment to deliver the horrifying news eye-to-eye, but he is asassinated quietly at the front door of the appartment complex. The method should be something origional, but low-tec.
I see what you're saying about the important info. Maybe there's an even BIGGER organization behind the one behind LeChiffre. But it should probably be something else, just for variety's sake.
But does it have to be Villiers? I believe he's Bond's best friend in the Service in the books. I'd wouldn't mind that being developed a bit more. It's not like Bond lacks romantic interests. But if your heart is set on Moneypenny ... )
As far as I know (not very far ...), Villiers isn't in the books. I think he's an invention for the Craig Bond. I think Bill Tanner is Bonds closest friend in the service. It has to be Villiers because he has the closest thing to Moneypenny's job there is. I have nothing against him personally.
As far as I know (not very far ...), Villiers isn't in the books. I think he's an invention for the Craig Bond. I think Bill Tanner is Bonds closest friend in the service. It has to be Villiers because he has the closest thing to Moneypenny's job there is. I have nothing against him personally.
That's right, the chief of staff, I think. I was under the impression that was what Villiers was, but it's not real clear what his job is.
Yes. Perhaps Villiers death will be even more shocking to M than we realize....
It's really morbid, but I can't stop thinking of good ways to kill him (perhaps I'm just jealous?).
It has to be inventive and striking, but still something can't be pre planned by the asassin(s).
I thought of poisonous gas comming from the calling system by the front door, but that makes no sense at all in that situation.
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Two good chapter titles from the YOLT novel, both of which work as movie titles for me:
"Magic 44"
"The Death Collector"
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"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
"He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
LoeffelholzThe United States, With LovePosts: 8,993Quartermasters
A good question! Of course Casino Royale was revealed as a title very early on---months before principal photography began---whereas Die Another Day wasn't unveiled as a title until they were in the midst of production (if I remember correctly).
With #22 being lensed starting in December this year, it's anyone's guess...although I'd venture that the longer we have to wait for it, the less likely it's a 'Fleming'
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"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
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Once Bond finds the villain's base, and just as the villain is calibrating his laser toy, have a SAS assault force storm the base, coming to 007's rescue. Bond kills the villain of course.
Why is it Bond isn't allowed to capture the villain for once?
The villain can escape in a film or two's time for a sequel. And Bond did catch Rosa Klebb in the book version of From Russia with Love.
O/t for a sec, in the film FRWL, why was Kronsteen killed for failure? The choice of the girl was Klebb's.
But Tania was completely oblivious to the plan. She was being played for a fool herself. How did she exactly ruin things? She didn't know anything.
Bond was the reason that their plan failed. As it was Kronsteen's plan, he was really the only one left to blame. Grant was dead.
-Roger Moore
The finish communications company (Not Nokia, but I still think Sony might like this ...) has made the next generation of mobile phone (not iPhone, but this is getting better and better for Sony!)
It could be something else, like the next central processor for PC's or operative system for PC's and mobile phones. Whatever it is, it must promise to revolutionize private communication and likely to be the next industry standard. What the public don't know is that this McGuffin makes it extremly easy for the manufacturer to surveilance anything near the devices. It would in reality be the end of privacy (this is the "dreamfall" of the title). Inteligence agencies, crimminal organisations, media corporations. There are many who would be interested in this ability.
I think surveilance and loss of personal privacy is a very good topic, and very much an issue today.
Of course, I'm not entirely against them using the FSB as bad guys. The Russians have certainly been stepping up their international spying and Putin is old KGB. It's the same old game, the monograms are just different. It could be whatever the new equivalent to SMERSH is. Two words: Alexander Litvinenko.
Yes, and do it right this time- unlike the two previous financially winning but critically losing versions. Having used a plot already has never stopped EON before!
And FSB is a much more powerfull version of MI5/FBI. The foreign inteligence serice is FSR.
You are probably right the name Moonraker is out but the storyline is tight and I would love to see them use Ian Flemings stories instead of the completely or nearly completely random stories that have been done. In my opinion, they would do well to just redo the movies that departed from the originals.
In that case, Most of the Sean Connery movies could stay intact. I'd like to see them remake Live and Let Die and the rest after that. Ok, I know what you are thinking. They could do without remaking The Spy Who Loved Me like the book.
Now as for the Russians: The Russian foreign intelligence agency is the SVR. They split from the FSB shortly after FSB's reformation from the KGB. Having said that, I still think that if there were a modern version of SMERSH it would fall under the auspices of the FSB not SVR, being that its mission statement would be issues of internal security rather than foreign security.
Having said that my conclusions are merely suppositional and I don't know definitively the structure of a modern SMERSH, if there is one. But, I think Ian Fleming wrote the truth about the global espionage for the most part. I think there is no reason to not just update it for modern times. The scenarios of the intelligence community are, in some ways, closer to the early 50's than the post Kennedy and Macmillan Cold War.
Bullet The Blue Sky (A U2 song, but I think it would make a good title and theme)
New Year's Day (See above)
Time Is Running Out (Muse song, which I think would make good title and themetune)
And here's some I thought of...
One Life Left
Star City (Just think it sounds cool lol... could be where it's set)
Trail Of Blood
Always The Last Man Standing
Live Fast, Die Young
Catch The Corpse (Ok, that one's a bit cheesey)
Burning The Evidence
A Disease Called Death
1 - Moore, 2 - Dalton, 3 - Craig, 4 - Connery, 5 - Brosnan, 6 - Lazenby
In a perfect world the next film should be "Live and Let Die" and not some madeup piffle. The original novel was barely utilized in the Moore version. Repetition is nothing new in Bond films and oo7 could almost be used as a metaphor for "formula film".
Since we can't expect Fleming's work to be refreshed to any great extent, look to the end of CR. Bond is ready to toss Vesper's handbag into the canals of Venice, but he fingers a seashell and checks her "electronic device" - which leads him to Mr. White in the same way Dimitrios lead to Le Chiffre...
There is only one title suitable for the next film - "The Property of a Lady".
Bond’s Beretta
The Handguns of Ian Fleming's James Bond
Quantum Of Solace
The Hildebrand Rarity
Knight Of Shadows
Smokeheart
A Conservative Estimate Of Death
AJB has a lot of strong plots for Bond in the fan fic section.
At least, that's who signed the check.
http://www.touringcars.fi/uploadkuvat/2006_images/Helsinki.gif
It looks right, doesn't it? I also think it's a good excuse for a return to the something remicent of the classic Ken Adam interior designs. Finland is famous for its arcitecture and design, so it will make very good sense to dream up some magnificent houses.
Here are some images I found on the net to illustrate my point:
http://www.travel-images.com/photo-fin27.html
http://www.travel-images.com/photo-fin28.html
Bond is assigned by M to seek out and learn as much as possible about the terrorist organization behind LeChiffre and Mr. White. Bond relishes the task, but not so much because he understands how important information concerning this shadowy group is to the world: what M referred to as the “Big Picture” in Casino Royale. He figures that while he’s at it, he’ll exercise his license to kill in the line of duty and put a bullet in whoever it was who drew Vesper into the Casino Royale caper. That person should not be the organization’s Number One guy, but a pretty important planner for the group. It could be the Algerian boyfriend, as some have suggested. He’s a real ******* who used a woman who loved him and that Bond loved in a plot that got her killed. Bond wants to kill him so badly he can taste it.
But during the course of his investigation (perhaps Bond infiltrates the group), he discovers something about the guy — this is some sort of Hitchcokian “mcguffin” — that makes him supremely important to the security of the world and that the Organization itself has marked him for death for some reason (an internal power struggle perhaps, like Hamas and Fatah). These developments force Bond to see the Big Picture. And so, “for Queen and Country,” Bond sets aside his personal feelings and risks his own life to protect the boyfriend and, against impossible odds, bring him back to Britain.
The film could end with the boyfriend being promised a lavish lifestyle in the West in exchange for cooperating, which he does gladly. Somehow, the film conveys that Bond is surprised that he isn't angry. We are left with the knowledge that Bond has accepted the fact that espionage is a cold, amoral business.
I have a plot point I hope people will like, particularely because it brings back Moneypenny. I see it introduced in Bond 22 and resolved in Bond 23:
M's personal assistant Villiers finds some crucial information (perhaps that the boyfriend has a bigger plan than the one Bond fights in Bond 22) and hurries to inform M. But he is killed before he can share it. He might even be done away with in such a way the MI6 must consider the possibility he might have been bent.
The new information should not be shown to the audience or in such a way the audience don't understand what it means. This way the central idea of Highhopes plot and title will not be ruined. The new personal assistance (played by Honeysucle Weeks http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0917320/) steps inn.
In Bond 23 they discover what Villiers found a piece of in Bond 22, and the plot evolves from there.
That could make a fine segue into Bond 23, Number 24. Just like Mr. White in the CR finale. Maybe Bond doesn't kill the boyfriend. Maybe it's a coda to the main story , with one of those "One Year Later" tags. Western intelligence officials for some reason have to contact the boyfriend again, who is enjoying his ill-gotten gains on some island paradise somewhere after giving the Western powers what they want. He's in a kind of a witness protection program for terrorist traitors. He's had extensive plastic surgery. He's constanly with bodyguards. Villiers is among the officials as M and MI-6's representative. Men burst into the meeting place and kill them all. The meeting led to the boyfriend's cover being blown. This could even be off camera. Cue the new assistant, who calls Bond -- who perhaps is on holiday at the time -- to M's office. Bond flirts with her, asks who she is. She says she's Villiers replacement. Bond makes a joke about him being a bit young to retire. She tells him he's dead.
M on the intercom then cuts in and says: "Come in 007, I have a job for you ..." Cue the credits
Something like that.
Perhaps someone contacts Villiers one late night because he is less high profile and less likely to be shadowed than M herself. Villiers hurries to M's appartment to deliver the horrifying news eye-to-eye, but he is asassinated quietly at the front door of the appartment complex. The method should be something origional, but low-tec.
I see what you're saying about the important info. Maybe there's an even BIGGER organization behind the one behind LeChiffre. But it should probably be something else, just for variety's sake.
But does it have to be Villiers? I believe he's Bond's best friend in the Service in the books. I'd wouldn't mind that being developed a bit more. It's not like Bond lacks romantic interests. But if your heart is set on Moneypenny ...
That's right, the chief of staff, I think. I was under the impression that was what Villiers was, but it's not real clear what his job is.
Maybe he's M's Monica Lewinsky
All I can say is: You go, girl ...
It's really morbid, but I can't stop thinking of good ways to kill him (perhaps I'm just jealous?).
It has to be inventive and striking, but still something can't be pre planned by the asassin(s).
I thought of poisonous gas comming from the calling system by the front door, but that makes no sense at all in that situation.
"Magic 44"
"The Death Collector"
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
A good question! Of course Casino Royale was revealed as a title very early on---months before principal photography began---whereas Die Another Day wasn't unveiled as a title until they were in the midst of production (if I remember correctly).
With #22 being lensed starting in December this year, it's anyone's guess...although I'd venture that the longer we have to wait for it, the less likely it's a 'Fleming'
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM