For the record, I don't like to consider myself anti-Craig, he just isn't my vision of Bond. He has the role now and he gave it everything he had in CR. Just about everyone on this board has a Bond they didn't care for, for me it is the current guy.
Just like Loeffs, Blue, HH and others were twisting in their chairs during Roger Moore's tenure, it is now my turn to sit and squirm.
I like 'em all! Must be a lucky one, I suppose. I have favourites, but they're all Bond when I'm watching them.
So it looks as though some of these Bond films will be under MGM yet again. Bond 23 to be the first back under the helm of the boys and girls at Metro. http://www.mi6.co.uk/news/index.php?itemid=5536
Plus, this story confirms the 5 bond movie deal Craig supposedly made. Exciting news, but I want to hear a Bond 22 title. C'mon people, I know its out there on the script...fulfill my wildest dreams.
Haggis' comments that the movie will have much in common with CR have wiped out what little curiosity I may have had and I can't even muster enough motivation to read any articles on it, either here or at other sites.
I kinda feel the same way. The Writer's Guild strike threatening to delay production on Bond 22 didn't even concern me all that much. I was never motivated to see a Bond film at the theaters until The Living Daylights came out. Since then, I've been faithful about going to the cinemas when a Bond film was released. When Roger Moore was Bond, I typically waited until they appeared on TV (or later) appeared on video. If the tone set by CR continues, I wouldn't be surprised if I have relapse and just sit still for the DVD releases.
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The odd thing for me is, outside of AJB, I haven't found anyone who thinks much of Craig. Friends, family, and co-workers just sort of shrug their shoulders. One guy hasn't even bothered to see CR since Craig held no real interest for him. Go figure.
That is odd; everyone I know who saw the film really enjoyed it---and Craig. Beyond AJB and the other Bond sites, I don't know anyone who was disappointed...but I guess that's just the way things go.
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LoeffelholzThe United States, With LovePosts: 8,991Quartermasters
He just didn't do it for me in CR and I find I have zero interest in Bond 22 right now. Maybe something will come up that will spur my interest again but Haggis' comments that the movie will have much in common with CR have wiped out what little curiosity I may have had and I can't even muster enough motivation to read any articles on it, either here or at other sites.
Sorry to hear that! Even when Bond was at its worst (in my own opinion), I was always there on opening day, eager to read every magazine article and novelization, and see every entertainment TV show featurette. It wasn't the sort of Bond I preferred, but it was the only game in town. I shudder to think how bad it would have had to have been for total apathy to have claimed me. If Bond sucks it that hard for you---because of Craig, the reboot or whatever--it's really a shame.
Maybe somebody will make Arthur C. Clarke's 2061: Oddyssey Three, sometime in the next decade or so, to help you 'over the hump' until Craig's successor is fitted for the tux :007)
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The odd thing for me is, outside of AJB, I haven't found anyone who thinks much of Craig. Friends, family, and co-workers just sort of shrug their shoulders. One guy hasn't even bothered to see CR since Craig held no real interest for him. Go figure.
That is odd; everyone I know who saw the film really enjoyed it---and Craig. Beyond AJB and the other Bond sites, I don't know anyone who was disappointed...but I guess that's just the way things go.
Well, to put things in extremes, very few people I know who saw it were "devasted," though there are some reservations about the first non-leading man Bond (I suppose my acquaintences aren't aware of TD). But I remember you posting your folks' feedback on CR/Craig that your Dad did enjoy the film overall, but didn't he have reservations about Craig?
"...the purposeful slant of his striding figure looked dangerous, as if he was making quickly for something bad that was happening further down the street." -SMERSH on 007 dossier photo, Ch. 6 FRWL.....
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The odd thing for me is, outside of AJB, I haven't found anyone who thinks much of Craig. Friends, family, and co-workers just sort of shrug their shoulders. One guy hasn't even bothered to see CR since Craig held no real interest for him. Go figure.
That is odd; everyone I know who saw the film really enjoyed it---and Craig. Beyond AJB and the other Bond sites, I don't know anyone who was disappointed*...but I guess that's just the way things go.
* This wouldn't include the vast number of people I know who don't watch movies at all, many of whom probably wouldn't know when Roger Moore stopped playing the character
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...I remember you posting your folks' feedback on CR/Craig that your Dad did enjoy the film overall, but didn't he have reservations about Craig?
About his looks, yeah. He compared him to Alfred E. Neuman ;% But once Craig started running through the construction side, leaping from cranes and busting through drywall, he was fine with it...plus he appreciated the trademark 'Bond Stuff,' like sneaking into the Ocean Club in broad daylight, the DB5, the gambling, etc.
He did enjoy the film...but I suspect his crush on Dame Judi (he watches endless reruns of that sitcom she did) might have contributed Plus, he's 'old school' Cinema Bond through and through. He loved Connery, hated Moore, disliked Dalton and thought Brozzer was 'okay.' So Craig's 'tough guy' thing appeals to him, but I'm pretty sure he's reserving final judgment until The New GuyTM does a couple more...
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Don't speak too soon Loeffs. Provided Bond 22 goes ahead as scheduled for an early November release date and we go see it together, this could very well happen to you FOR REAL this time. )
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Don't speak too soon Loeffs. Provided Bond 22 goes ahead as scheduled for an early November release date and we go see it together, this could very well happen to you FOR REAL this time. )
)
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Looks like our German is going to need another date for Bond 22! )
Fancy a meal before the show Loeffs... )
I might skip the Hooters Buffalo Shrimp this time
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Looks like our German is going to need another date for Bond 22! )
Fancy a meal before the show Loeffs... )
I might skip the Hooters Buffalo Shrimp this time
But I won't. And trust me, they taste even better on the way up (as well as partially digested). You'll see.
Ok, I'm done. )
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edited November 2007
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...I remember you posting your folks' feedback on CR/Craig that your Dad did enjoy the film overall, but didn't he have reservations about Craig?
About his looks, yeah. He compared him to Alfred E. Neuman ;% But once Craig started running through the construction side, leaping from cranes and busting through drywall, he was fine with it...plus he appreciated the trademark 'Bond Stuff,' like sneaking into the Ocean Club in broad daylight, the DB5, the gambling, etc.
He did enjoy the film...but I suspect his crush on Dame Judi (he watches endless reruns of that sitcom she did) might have contributed Plus, he's 'old school' Cinema Bond through and through. He loved Connery, hated Moore, disliked Dalton and thought Brozzer was 'okay.' So Craig's 'tough guy' thing appeals to him, but I'm pretty sure he's reserving final judgment until The New GuyTM does a couple more...
As I responded to that your original post (I think), your Dad's take on CR pretty much approximates my own...almost, though I'll keep an open mind about M when my tastes change in a couple or so decades. :x
"...the purposeful slant of his striding figure looked dangerous, as if he was making quickly for something bad that was happening further down the street." -SMERSH on 007 dossier photo, Ch. 6 FRWL.....
As for Craig, he hasn't had much commercial success outside of Bond lately. Invasion was a flop and Golden Compass doesn't look to be generating any vibe in America at least. Not sure if that's due to that fact that the movies aren't any good or if it's the Bond typecasting curse already rearing its head.
I live in America and I've been noticing plenty of vibe. INVASION got shot down before it had been released in theaters, when news circulated that of the changes subjected to the film.
Invasion was filmed 2 years ago, before Craig had even been announced as the 6th Bond. It's been in post-production hell; re-shoots, director removed, re-editing etc, and as CTrent points out critics were already wondering what was wrong with it before it got into the cinema. I don't think you can blame Craig alone for that debacle.
The Golden Compass hype is imminent. There has certainly been interest in the UK press with this production. The full-on stuff will start this month and carry on through the winter. I'd be surprised if this is not a huge success. There are two other books to be adapted and the studio behind it will want to push it as much as possible.
Why do you say that? I haven't been following the production, but it looks pretty decent from what I can see of it. I see the stuff is starting to hit the shops- Waterstones is full of Compass.
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edited November 2007
All actors with a career---i.e., they're lucky enough to work steadily---will have misfires and duds. Craig would seem to have this in common with all previous Bond actors (save for Lazenby, who didn't have an acting career to speak of).
As I said in the run-up to November '06: Best not write the postmortem too early---whether it's for a specific film, or an entire career
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Oooh, no it didn't, I mean CR only had bad press trouble after the press conference etc surely...
Oh I dunno; there was all that fuss about Vesper and le Chif not being cast until shooting was underway which was a bit of a storm in a teacup around here about it being a troubled production; all the stuff about driving/teeth etc. was while it was shooting, you know. Sometimes there are definite signs; as with The Invasion which took so long to be released, a couple of changes of title, and which had reshoots a year later or something- that didn't inspire confidence, but a bit of cutting doesn't sound too bad. I'm sure it'll do well as you say.
My feeling about this news hinges on one overriding question: Are we talking about five Casino Royales, or five The Man With the Golden Guns?
Frankly I agree. It isnt quantity but quality. Pierce Brosnan had a bit of a rocky ride with his 4 efforts; I like Casino Royale, but it could have been better, and I fear that it will be the less interesting facets of Bond21 (e.g. the spectacular chases and fights) that the producers will continue to rehash rather than the storyline and the character development.
My feeling about this news hinges on one overriding question: Are we talking about five Casino Royales, or five The Man With the Golden Guns?
Frankly I agree. It isnt quantity but quality. Pierce Brosnan had a bit of a rocky ride with his 4 efforts; I like Casino Royale, but it could have been better, and I fear that it will be the less interesting facets of Bond21 (e.g. the spectacular chases and fights) that the producers will continue to rehash rather than the storyline and the character development.
IMHO, the biggest difference from the Brosnan era to CR is vision. Post-DAD there was a significant shift in what EON wanted to do with Bond, both Babs and Wilson have been quoted extensively about it, and CR itself is the prove of that pudding: a Bond like we haven't seen in over 35 years. Doesn't mean that 35 year chunk of Bond won't creep back into this new era, but I suspect the reigning vision to remain firmly in place (success talks, lol), and temper all such incursions accordingly. Weird that the thing that is CR is getting compartmentalized much like Craig's initial casting, ie the negativity, the worries and concerns, the whole it's just not right for Bond. Seems like any port in a storm thinking, when the obvious just doesn't appeal. I know the feeling, lived in that anti-Bond bubble for a long time...doesn't change the thing itself though.
Save to expect more of the same, just as during say Brosnan's arc it was safe to expect more of that same. JMHO.
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I like Casino Royale, but it could have been better, and I fear that it will be the less interesting facets of Bond21 (e.g. the spectacular chases and fights) that the producers will continue to rehash rather than the storyline and the character development.
I don't think Craig's being retained/extended simpy to rehash chases and fights (although I must ask: what's a Bond movie without those things?)---I think they're keeping him around precisely because he brings a character-driven approach to the table, and Eon have expressed an interest in continuing to move this particular Bond in his own direction. I personally hope Eon holds their current course...to the extent they're able.
Of course, the best-laid plans, etc., etc...Time (as ever) will tell.
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edited November 2007
According to CBn, during a recent roundtable discussion with the cast of The Golden Compass, Daniel Craig has denied reports that he is signed for four more Bond films:
Daniel Craig: That’s what you said… I never said that. [laughter]
Q: You said that you thought about the first one eighteen months ago, before you finally said ‘I’m making this film’, so I thought this was quite a commitment to make?
Daniel Craig: Well, that’s what’s been said, it’s not that it’s not true, because I haven’t signed up. What I’ve done is I’ve signed up on the next movie, after that we’ll see. That’s the way I’m doing it, and certainly it’s not four more - that’s the truth. It’s certainly not four more.
There you have it. "It’s certainly not four more."
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mi6 reports that this is a direct contradict with some MGM reps. hmmmm? me wonders who is lying? i think DC probably isn't the liar. I was certainly surprised when the reports came out saying he had signed up for a total of five. I could only see him doing three and then boning out for an oscar and some other indie projects. anyways, next week we will probably get a report saying he is signed up to do a total of four! :v
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I like 'em all! Must be a lucky one, I suppose. I have favourites, but they're all Bond when I'm watching them.
http://www.mi6.co.uk/news/index.php?itemid=5536
Plus, this story confirms the 5 bond movie deal Craig supposedly made. Exciting news, but I want to hear a Bond 22 title. C'mon people, I know its out there on the script...fulfill my wildest dreams.
I kinda feel the same way. The Writer's Guild strike threatening to delay production on Bond 22 didn't even concern me all that much. I was never motivated to see a Bond film at the theaters until The Living Daylights came out. Since then, I've been faithful about going to the cinemas when a Bond film was released. When Roger Moore was Bond, I typically waited until they appeared on TV (or later) appeared on video. If the tone set by CR continues, I wouldn't be surprised if I have relapse and just sit still for the DVD releases.
That is odd; everyone I know who saw the film really enjoyed it---and Craig. Beyond AJB and the other Bond sites, I don't know anyone who was disappointed...but I guess that's just the way things go.
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
Maybe somebody will make Arthur C. Clarke's 2061: Oddyssey Three, sometime in the next decade or so, to help you 'over the hump' until Craig's successor is fitted for the tux :007)
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
Well, to put things in extremes, very few people I know who saw it were "devasted," though there are some reservations about the first non-leading man Bond (I suppose my acquaintences aren't aware of TD). But I remember you posting your folks' feedback on CR/Craig that your Dad did enjoy the film overall, but didn't he have reservations about Craig?
* This wouldn't include the vast number of people I know who don't watch movies at all, many of whom probably wouldn't know when Roger Moore stopped playing the character
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
About his looks, yeah. He compared him to Alfred E. Neuman ;% But once Craig started running through the construction side, leaping from cranes and busting through drywall, he was fine with it...plus he appreciated the trademark 'Bond Stuff,' like sneaking into the Ocean Club in broad daylight, the DB5, the gambling, etc.
He did enjoy the film...but I suspect his crush on Dame Judi (he watches endless reruns of that sitcom she did) might have contributed
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
Don't speak too soon Loeffs. Provided Bond 22 goes ahead as scheduled for an early November release date and we go see it together, this could very well happen to you FOR REAL this time.
-Roger Moore
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
Fancy a meal before the show Loeffs...?
-Roger Moore
I might skip the Hooters Buffalo Shrimp this time
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
But I won't. And trust me, they taste even better on the way up (as well as partially digested). You'll see.
Ok, I'm done.
-Roger Moore
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
As I responded to that your original post (I think), your Dad's take on CR pretty much approximates my own...almost, though I'll keep an open mind about M when my tastes change in a couple or so decades. :x
Invasion was filmed 2 years ago, before Craig had even been announced as the 6th Bond. It's been in post-production hell; re-shoots, director removed, re-editing etc, and as CTrent points out critics were already wondering what was wrong with it before it got into the cinema. I don't think you can blame Craig alone for that debacle.
The Golden Compass hype is imminent. There has certainly been interest in the UK press with this production. The full-on stuff will start this month and carry on through the winter. I'd be surprised if this is not a huge success. There are two other books to be adapted and the studio behind it will want to push it as much as possible.
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As I said in the run-up to November '06: Best not write the postmortem too early---whether it's for a specific film, or an entire career
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
Roger Moore 1927-2017
If that's happened perhaps it's made it work. CR was supposed to be in trouble too, and that didn't do too badly.
Agreed the hype for GC is coming along nicely... plus it's a kids film so that should help guarantee a holiday draw.
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Oh I dunno; there was all that fuss about Vesper and le Chif not being cast until shooting was underway which was a bit of a storm in a teacup around here about it being a troubled production; all the stuff about driving/teeth etc. was while it was shooting, you know. Sometimes there are definite signs; as with The Invasion which took so long to be released, a couple of changes of title, and which had reshoots a year later or something- that didn't inspire confidence, but a bit of cutting doesn't sound too bad. I'm sure it'll do well as you say.
Frankly I agree. It isnt quantity but quality. Pierce Brosnan had a bit of a rocky ride with his 4 efforts; I like Casino Royale, but it could have been better, and I fear that it will be the less interesting facets of Bond21 (e.g. the spectacular chases and fights) that the producers will continue to rehash rather than the storyline and the character development.
IMHO, the biggest difference from the Brosnan era to CR is vision. Post-DAD there was a significant shift in what EON wanted to do with Bond, both Babs and Wilson have been quoted extensively about it, and CR itself is the prove of that pudding: a Bond like we haven't seen in over 35 years. Doesn't mean that 35 year chunk of Bond won't creep back into this new era, but I suspect the reigning vision to remain firmly in place (success talks, lol), and temper all such incursions accordingly. Weird that the thing that is CR is getting compartmentalized much like Craig's initial casting, ie the negativity, the worries and concerns, the whole it's just not right for Bond. Seems like any port in a storm thinking, when the obvious just doesn't appeal. I know the feeling, lived in that anti-Bond bubble for a long time...doesn't change the thing itself though.
Save to expect more of the same, just as during say Brosnan's arc it was safe to expect more of that same. JMHO.
I don't think Craig's being retained/extended simpy to rehash chases and fights (although I must ask: what's a Bond movie without those things?)---I think they're keeping him around precisely because he brings a character-driven approach to the table, and Eon have expressed an interest in continuing to move this particular Bond in his own direction. I personally hope Eon holds their current course...to the extent they're able.
Of course, the best-laid plans, etc., etc...Time (as ever) will tell.
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
http://commanderbond.net/article/4686
Q: You’ve been signed for four more Bond films?
Daniel Craig: That’s what you said… I never said that. [laughter]
Q: You said that you thought about the first one eighteen months ago, before you finally said ‘I’m making this film’, so I thought this was quite a commitment to make?
Daniel Craig: Well, that’s what’s been said, it’s not that it’s not true, because I haven’t signed up. What I’ve done is I’ve signed up on the next movie, after that we’ll see. That’s the way I’m doing it, and certainly it’s not four more - that’s the truth. It’s certainly not four more.
There you have it. "It’s certainly not four more."
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