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  • theweymouththeweymouth Posts: 12MI6 Agent
    hi

    very nice photos listed here.
    thought i would post my original signed photos they are not fakes as my father was props master patrick weymouth from dr no up to man with golden so i have had everything at my house ....trust me i can tell some storys.
    hope you like and if there are any serious interested collectors i might be selling photos and props that i have so email me or look at my posts for links.
    many thanks
    gary weymouth
    the props masters son


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  • Tilly Masterson 007Tilly Masterson 007 UKPosts: 1,474MI6 Agent
    Some nice scans there. :) I particularly like that sought-after Harold Sakata, as you probably know, he is quite a tough signature to obtain! I'm lucky enough to have his autograph.

    Did you ever happen to get Yvonne Shima or Michel Mok's autograph who were the Sisters in Dr No? I notice your autographs appear to circulate the Dr No film.

    Keep us updated with your autographs, and yes, I'd love to hear some stories from back on the Dr No set. :)

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  • Disco VolanteDisco Volante Surrey, EnglandPosts: 544MI6 Agent
    Has Honor Blackman and Harold Sakata dedicated the pictures to 'Nigger' ?:o:o
  • Tilly Masterson 007Tilly Masterson 007 UKPosts: 1,474MI6 Agent
    Has Honor Blackman and Harold Sakata dedicated the pictures to 'Nigger' ?:o:o

    :)) :)) :))

    That's what it appears to look like Andy!! It could possibly be 'To Nigel' but I think I'm more inclined to say it looks like something else (what you think it says!) It's really hard to make out who it's written to.
  • Disco VolanteDisco Volante Surrey, EnglandPosts: 544MI6 Agent
    Nigel doesn't have two g's Jamie!!
  • Tilly Masterson 007Tilly Masterson 007 UKPosts: 1,474MI6 Agent
    Nigel doesn't have two g's Jamie!!

    Ok, smarty - of course it doesn't!! LOL :)) :D Only kidding mate.

    I'm really perplexed as to what is written on the Blackman & Sakata autograph. :#
  • Dr No07Dr No07 North AmericaPosts: 55MI6 Agent
    Prop master Patrick Weymouth's nickname was, in fact, 'Nigger', as I'm sure his son will confirm. While filming the LIVE AND LET DIE boat chase (which included many black stuntmen) in racially-charged Louisiana in the fall of 1972, Roger Moore and other crew suggested Weymouth change his nickname to 'Chalky'. The actor who played the Groom in the wedding scene told me this and it's also noted on page 31 of the paperback ROGER MOORE AS JAMES BOND: LIVE AND LET DIE (Pan Books).
  • gripgrip Posts: 14MI6 Agent
    I like all of those except the very last 'Connery' sig. Having studied examples of his signature from 1955 and onwards everything about the style of writing just seems wrong to me. Not just the signature but the dedication also. It features none of the usual Connery handwriting or signature characteristics. In fact I'm so confident that it is a secretarial signature I'd be willing to bet my left nut on it.
  • theweymouththeweymouth Posts: 12MI6 Agent
    hi

    all the above is all correct my dads nickname was nigger till roger heard someone shouting nigger nigger so then he said we need to change that due to where we are so the called him chalky as also stated in rogers book.
    i guess all the signatures are real even i have cross referenced them and thought they looked dodgy but why would i need to question them when my dad was props master and was very well known in the films from the 30's up to the early 80's.
    the only secretarial signature i have is from marlyn Monroe as it was a christmas card.
    i have alot of bond photos not signed too and many signed from stars from the 30's onwards.
    any questions feel free to ask.
    many thanks
    gary weymouth
    the prop masters son
  • gripgrip Posts: 14MI6 Agent
    edited May 2010
    Quoting theweymouth - "i have cross referenced them and thought they looked dodgy but why would i need to question them when my dad was props master and was very well known in the films from the 30's up to the early 80's"

    Because your opinion on whether a signature is genuine or not should be formed based on how the signature looks, not on the story behind it.

    Here's an example of where a story behind an autograph can be unintentionally misleading.

    My brother in law told me about his auntie who had an album signed by all four members of 'The Beatles'. I asked him if it was really genuine, because if so it would be worth a fortune. "Yes" he replied. He then explained how his Auntie Mary had it signed in person at a Beatles concert. I asked if he could possibly arrange for me to see it. Fast forward. We are at his aunties house and she confirms that she got it signed in person at a concert. I look at it and very quickly and come to the conclusion that all four sigs were signed by the same person. Not a genuine signature amongst them. I ask Mary if she is sure that the signatures are real. "Oh yes" she said and reiterated how the album was signed at the concert. I asked her whether she witnessed any of the Beatles actually signing the album. "No" was the answer. The album was taken back stage out of view and returned fully signed shortly afterwards.

    The signatures told me what I needed to know. Had I ignored my instincts and accepted the original story first told by my brother in law and then confirmed by his Auntie I may have been tempted to offer some serious cash on a worthless piece of rubbish.

    Stories and COA's never, ever count in my book. It's all about the signature, and nothing else. Research, research, research then trust your instinct.

    I would be very interested to know how others on this forum would answer the following question:-

    Here's the scenario. You're looking for a genuine Connery signature and you've done your homework. You find that last signed shot theweymouth put up of Connery on eBay for a very reasonable opening bid. Would you bid or not?

    This reference section is going to go to the dogs if questionable items are to be included. I think that there needs to be a consensus of opinion on photographs of signed items in this section without worrying about hurting peoples feelings. If a new collector cannot get correct guidance here what is the point? Surely I can't be the only one here who thinks that Connery never signed that photograph. Seasoned Bond collector's, where are you?
  • clown-andyclown-andy The NetherlandsPosts: 98MI6 Agent
    Here's the scenario. You're looking for a genuine Connery signature and you've done your homework. You find that last signed shot theweymouth put up of Connery on eBay for a very reasonable opening bid. Would you bid or not?


    I would not bid! Because it's a fake autograph of Connery, anyone who has done there homework could see this! It's written out in a woman's hand, and does not even come close to Connery's autograph! I fully agree with what you have written here Grip, well done!
  • lockerslockers CanberraPosts: 64MI6 Agent
    I have found a couple of shots up for sale and was just wanting to know what peoples thoughts are on how legit the autographs are


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    Thanks
  • gripgrip Posts: 14MI6 Agent
    lockers wrote:
    I have found a couple of shots up for sale and was just wanting to know what peoples thoughts are on how legit the autographs are


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  • Tilly Masterson 007Tilly Masterson 007 UKPosts: 1,474MI6 Agent
    Yes, those two there of Roger & Timothy are mosst certainly fake - avoid like the plague!
  • Tilly Masterson 007Tilly Masterson 007 UKPosts: 1,474MI6 Agent
    These are only a few of some of the Timothy Dalton's I have in my collection, but I wondered if anyone thought they looked 100% authentic?

    To me, they do look genuine, as the 1st, 3rd & 4th scan are typically sent out from his agency TTM (but he isn't known to sign by this method anymore, at least not genuinely.)

    The 2nd I bought from a dealer.

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  • Disco VolanteDisco Volante Surrey, EnglandPosts: 544MI6 Agent
    I consider all of those genuine Jamie - some of the fake ones of his out there are a million miles away from how he signs! With him, I consider the D the telling sign of a real or a fake one.

    Doesn't he look smarmy in the 2nd one!!

    On a separate note, I took the kids to see Toy Story 3 at the weekend and was looking forward to hearing Dalton as Mr Pricklepants. I assumed it was a relatively major part, but he only spoke about 30 words, so I was disappointed :(
  • Tilly Masterson 007Tilly Masterson 007 UKPosts: 1,474MI6 Agent
    Cheers Andy - yes some of the fakes I've seen are horrendous & so very different from his actual signature, very easy to spot! Your right about the 'D' being a giveaway between a real and fake, it's a common problem amongst the scammers. 8-)

    :)) he does look smarmy in the 2nd pic, suits the tash!! :))

    I didn't know his role of Mr Pricklepants was so minor, I knew certainly that he was in it & like you presumed he may have at least had a relatively bigish part in it - oh well!
  • minigeffminigeff EnglandPosts: 7,745MI6 Agent
    Hi guys,

    I've never been into collecting autographs, but recently came across the autobiography of des and couldn't resist buying.

    Can anyone confirm if the sig is genuine please?

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    Cheers,

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  • Tilly Masterson 007Tilly Masterson 007 UKPosts: 1,474MI6 Agent
    Sorry to disapoint you MG, but I think the signatures in your book are most definetaly fakes.

    It's a tough one, 50/50?

    The Llewelyn does look like his signature (to an extent) but it is too 'sloppy' a signature to deem it genuine. Below is an example of what a genuine looks like.

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  • DOUBLE-00DOUBLE-00 ESSEX, ENGLANDPosts: 165MI6 Agent
    I would say that is def. a real signature, and not a fake.
  • Dr No07Dr No07 North AmericaPosts: 55MI6 Agent
    I think the signature is authentic as well. It closely matches the signature in my signed limited edition as well as in-person signatures I got from Mr Llewelyn over the years. You have to realize the man sat down and signed hundreds of books, probably consecutively, so the signatures are going to vary slightly.
  • Tilly Masterson 007Tilly Masterson 007 UKPosts: 1,474MI6 Agent
    Dr No07 wrote:
    I think the signature is authentic as well. It closely matches the signature in my signed limited edition as well as in-person signatures I got from Mr Llewelyn over the years. You have to realize the man sat down and signed hundreds of books, probably consecutively, so the signatures are going to vary slightly.

    Very well........I think (looking back at the scan again now) that you & Double-00 are right!

    At a first glance it looked to be very sloppy and almost a rushed signature, but then again if he was signing a load of books, then time restraints etc would have affected his signature. 8-) :))
  • Dr No07Dr No07 North AmericaPosts: 55MI6 Agent
    The same applies with the stars that sign the Rittenhouse Archives trading cards. They must sign hundreds at a time so often the signatures are slightly inconsistent. I'm sure we've all had the experience of a star hurriedly signing a photo at a show so sloppily you're almost tempted to ask them to do it over.
  • minigeffminigeff EnglandPosts: 7,745MI6 Agent
    Thanks very much for your time and opinions guys, as i bought the book for the cheapest i could find, i was a little worried, so cheers for your thoughts.
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  • icsics Posts: 1,407MI6 Agent
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    Got this from a member of DOC who is a stuntman
  • Tilly Masterson 007Tilly Masterson 007 UKPosts: 1,474MI6 Agent
    Nice one - rare addition! -{
  • Number1Number1 Posts: 15MI6 Agent
    hi i was wondering if anyone knew whether these are both real the reason for the same pen is i sent both the pictures out to ask her to sign them to add to my bond collection but i was just wondering because i know there not preprint but they might be secreterial as i have only just started collecting autographs
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  • Disco VolanteDisco Volante Surrey, EnglandPosts: 544MI6 Agent
    They're both genuine - the lovely Judi Dench always signs TTM.
  • Tilly Masterson 007Tilly Masterson 007 UKPosts: 1,474MI6 Agent
    They're both genuine - the lovely Judi Dench always signs TTM.

    Indeed, they are both absolutely genuine like Andy says - Judi is a fantastic signer TTM & also IP (so I hear.)
  • Tilly Masterson 007Tilly Masterson 007 UKPosts: 1,474MI6 Agent
    What do you guys reckon to this Dalton signed pic?

    To me it looks ok & I'm sure it's 90% authentic - only that he sometimes signs 'T' rather than his full name, something he doesn't do as often as he used to 10-20 yrs ago! 8-)

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