I think the trailer looks fantastic. We also get some answers and new questions. The scene where 007 jumps into the very open train carriage is about as bondian as it gets :007)
Couldn't agree with you more.... -{
Bond is looking good, loving the few lines of dialogue we have, the scenery/locations and the introduction to the younger Q - ticks all my boxes and a few more besides.
And the subtle cuff gesture on the way in from the Tube explosion is just brilliant :007)
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Osris, I hesitate to engage with you because you are obviously a troll, but which Bond films do you like? And why? So far you've slagged the Craig films, the Brosnan films and the Moore films. That's quite a feat! Most people who like Craig, don't like Moore and vice versa. For the record I like the first four, OHMSS, TLD, and CR. I can stand YOLT, FYEO, GE, LTK, and QOS. The rest I don't like.
When you call him " troll", what do you mean? In Norway one would think of someone who is as large as a house, stupid, can smell christians, is incredibly ugly, turns into stone in the sun and normally turns up in fairy tales.
When you call him " troll", waht do you mean? In Norway one would think of someone who is as large as a house, stupid, can smell christians, is incredibly ugly, turns into stone in the sun and normally turns up in fairy tales.
Urban Dictionary's definition of "Troll": One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument.
But back onto topic, wasn't anyone else reminded of YOLT with the whole bond being 'dead' thing?
Osris, I hesitate to engage with you because you are obviously a troll, but which Bond films do you like? And why? So far you've slagged the Craig films, the Brosnan films and the Moore films. That's quite a feat! Most people who like Craig, don't like Moore and vice versa. For the record I like the first four, OHMSS, TLD, and CR. I can stand YOLT, FYEO, GE, LTK, and QOS. The rest I don't like.
I like all the films up to when Brosnan took over.
When you call him " troll", waht do you mean? In Norway one would think of someone who is as large as a house, stupid, can smell christians, is incredibly ugly, turns into stone in the sun and normally turns up in fairy tales.
Urban Dictionary's definition of "Troll": One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument.
But back onto topic, wasn't anyone else reminded of YOLT with the whole bond being 'dead' thing?
If someone is a troll for disagreeing with someone else, then I must be a troll. You must be, also, for disagreeing with me.
Osris, I hesitate to engage with you because you are obviously a troll, but which Bond films do you like? And why? So far you've slagged the Craig films, the Brosnan films and the Moore films. That's quite a feat! Most people who like Craig, don't like Moore and vice versa. For the record I like the first four, OHMSS, TLD, and CR. I can stand YOLT, FYEO, GE, LTK, and QOS. The rest I don't like.
I like all the films up to when Brosnan took over.
Up above you said "I never said Moore’s films were good. I was talking about the way the trailers then were more effective in showcasing Bond films."
I don't think you can keep track of your own bullsh!t.
When you call him " troll", waht do you mean? In Norway one would think of someone who is as large as a house, stupid, can smell christians, is incredibly ugly, turns into stone in the sun and normally turns up in fairy tales.
Urban Dictionary's definition of "Troll": One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument.
But back onto topic, wasn't anyone else reminded of YOLT with the whole bond being 'dead' thing?
If someone is a troll for disagreeing with someone else, then I must be a troll. You must be, also, for disagreeing with me.
Just for the record osris I wasn't disagreeing with you (I haven't even read your posts, or a bunch of others). I was just quoting the online definition of "troll" to Number24 who wasn't sure of it's meaning.
Any idea why Bond would be in a Merc?? Even if it's an S-Class, isn't that a bit leftfield since he has zero association with the brand or implied image? Any theories / inside knowledge?
Just my idea,but it looks to be in the shanghai part of the film,so I 'd say
alot of the high rollers would be in big Mercs and BMWs,
Then again Q is giving a voice over could be Bond is waiting for someone,
getting the gun ready. Mabey for the poor chap falling on to the street
in the trailer.
Sadly no knowledge, Just guessing.
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For the record, I'm 58 years of age and I, for one, am thrilled with the direction the Bond films have taken beginning with Craig in Casino Royal. I was also a fan of the way things were going when Dalton stepped in. So let's not make this an age thing ('oh they're just trying to appeal to the youngsters with the new Bourne-like Bond") or some such nonsense. This is the hard-edged, more reality-based Bond that I have been hoping for since I first read Casino Royale about 30 years ago. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed the lighter touch and the fantasical elements that made their way into the Connery Bonds, but honestly a lot of that had to do with the fact that Connery was such an appealing personification of 007. Looks aside, Craig is the type of world-weary, conflicted, and yes, brutal, chap that I envisioned from Fleming's novels and from the trailers Skyfall seems to lean more in that direction. I hope the movie lives up to those expectations.
I’m sorry, I just can’t share the premature enthusiasm for the film everyone is displaying here. I can imagine the same level of enthusiasm when you all saw the trailer for QoS. )
The trailer looks just like any other for any run-of-the-mill contemporary action thriller. And the synthesised music used in it is awful. I hope that’s not the actual soundtrack.
It looks like it could be the sort of film that only someone who hadn’t seen other Bond films would say was good.
You really are a little ray of light aren't you?! 8-) Whilst I fully respect your views (along with those of every other poster here), the more I read of your posts - I'm thinking your very negatively titled thread elsewhere in the forum in particular - make me suspect that you are definitely a WUM. By all means express your doubts and of course in life we are all different, but at least try to put some meat on the bone as to why this is merely a"run-of-the-mill" movie. How you can deduce this from a collection of the briefest snippets that form a trailer is beyond me. What is it you want to see in this trailer? What is so wrong in the trailers that have been released? Is Craig your problem? Are you wanting ridiculously cheesy lines and outrageous stunts to form the mainstay of the piece?
Would genuinely like to hear your reasons and thoughts please, so that I can get an understanding as to where you're really coming from.
I just think it looks like a trailer for any other action film out these days.
When you say “How you can deduce this from a collection of the briefest snippets that form a trailer is beyond me.” I could ask the same to those who think the film is going to be great based on the same trailer.
I would like to see a trailer with more Bond elements like the trailers for the 1970s and 1980s Bond films.
I don’t know what the average age group is of the people here who like the reboot, but I’m guessing it is from around 20 to 30. If so, then they wouldn’t be able to relate to the same cinematic experiences that I had growing up with the Bond films in the 70s. Such films were an “event” shown in the summer, and everyone saw them, whether they were Bond fans or not.
I’ve nothing against Craig as Bond. My problem is with the way the films have rebooted Bond. I wouldn’t mind if the reboot was to make the films more faithful to the novels, but it seems to me that the reboot is mainly to attract Bourne fans.
Osris, I hesitate to engage with you because you are obviously a troll, but which Bond films do you like? And why? So far you've slagged the Craig films, the Brosnan films and the Moore films. That's quite a feat! Most people who like Craig, don't like Moore and vice versa. For the record I like the first four, OHMSS, TLD, and CR. I can stand YOLT, FYEO, GE, LTK, and QOS. The rest I don't like.
I like all the films up to when Brosnan took over.
Up above you said "I never said Moore’s films were good. I was talking about the way the trailers then were more effective in showcasing Bond films."
I don't think you can keep track of your own bullsh!t.
Yes, I never said Moore’s films were good in and of themselves but as examples of the success formula that drew audiences to Bond, they were good. My favourite, Bond of all time, though, is Connery. That doesn’t mean I hate Dalton or Moore. Taste is more complex than you might realise.
Urban Dictionary's definition of "Troll": One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument.
But back onto topic, wasn't anyone else reminded of YOLT with the whole bond being 'dead' thing?
If someone is a troll for disagreeing with someone else, then I must be a troll. You must be, also, for disagreeing with me.
Just for the record osris I wasn't disagreeing with you (I haven't even read your posts, or a bunch of others). I was just quoting the online definition of "troll" to Number24 who wasn't sure of it's meaning.
Sorry, I confused you with Gala Brand.
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Just a general notice to all to play nice please. Anybody found being deliberately provacative will have their legs slapped !
For the record, I'm 58 years of age and I, for one, am thrilled with the direction the Bond films have taken beginning with Craig in Casino Royal. I was also a fan of the way things were going when Dalton stepped in. So let's not make this an age thing ('oh they're just trying to appeal to the youngsters with the new Bourne-like Bond") or some such nonsense. This is the hard-edged, more reality-based Bond that I have been hoping for since I first read Casino Royale about 30 years ago. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed the lighter touch and the fantasical elements that made their way into the Connery Bonds, but honestly a lot of that had to do with the fact that Connery was such an appealing personification of 007. Looks aside, Craig is the type of world-weary, conflicted, and yes, brutal, chap that I envisioned from Fleming's novels and from the trailers Skyfall seems to lean more in that direction. I hope the movie lives up to those expectations.
You really are a little ray of light aren't you?! 8-) Whilst I fully respect your views (along with those of every other poster here), the more I read of your posts - I'm thinking your very negatively titled thread elsewhere in the forum in particular - make me suspect that you are definitely a WUM. By all means express your doubts and of course in life we are all different, but at least try to put some meat on the bone as to why this is merely a"run-of-the-mill" movie. How you can deduce this from a collection of the briefest snippets that form a trailer is beyond me. What is it you want to see in this trailer? What is so wrong in the trailers that have been released? Is Craig your problem? Are you wanting ridiculously cheesy lines and outrageous stunts to form the mainstay of the piece?
Would genuinely like to hear your reasons and thoughts please, so that I can get an understanding as to where you're really coming from.
I just think it looks like a trailer for any other action film out these days.
When you say “How you can deduce this from a collection of the briefest snippets that form a trailer is beyond me.” I could ask the same to those who think the film is going to be great based on the same trailer.
I would like to see a trailer with more Bond elements like the trailers for the 1970s and 1980s Bond films.
I don’t know what the average age group is of the people here who like the reboot, but I’m guessing it is from around 20 to 30. If so, then they wouldn’t be able to relate to the same cinematic experiences that I had growing up with the Bond films in the 70s. Such films were an “event” shown in the summer, and everyone saw them, whether they were Bond fans or not.
I’ve nothing against Craig as Bond. My problem is with the way the films have rebooted Bond. I wouldn’t mind if the reboot was to make the films more faithful to the novels, but it seems to me that the reboot is mainly to attract Bourne fans.
I take your point, but for me the films have always had a separate life to the novels. If the novels were filmed page by page, I don’t think they would make good “Bond films”. The Bond films are a totally separate entity than the books, for me, anyway.
For the record, I'm 58 years of age and I, for one, am thrilled with the direction the Bond films have taken beginning with Craig in Casino Royal. I was also a fan of the way things were going when Dalton stepped in. So let's not make this an age thing ('oh they're just trying to appeal to the youngsters with the new Bourne-like Bond") or some such nonsense. This is the hard-edged, more reality-based Bond that I have been hoping for since I first read Casino Royale about 30 years ago. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed the lighter touch and the fantasical elements that made their way into the Connery Bonds, but honestly a lot of that had to do with the fact that Connery was such an appealing personification of 007. Looks aside, Craig is the type of world-weary, conflicted, and yes, brutal, chap that I envisioned from Fleming's novels and from the trailers Skyfall seems to lean more in that direction. I hope the movie lives up to those expectations.
I just think it looks like a trailer for any other action film out these days.
When you say “How you can deduce this from a collection of the briefest snippets that form a trailer is beyond me.” I could ask the same to those who think the film is going to be great based on the same trailer.
I would like to see a trailer with more Bond elements like the trailers for the 1970s and 1980s Bond films.
I don’t know what the average age group is of the people here who like the reboot, but I’m guessing it is from around 20 to 30. If so, then they wouldn’t be able to relate to the same cinematic experiences that I had growing up with the Bond films in the 70s. Such films were an “event” shown in the summer, and everyone saw them, whether they were Bond fans or not.
I’ve nothing against Craig as Bond. My problem is with the way the films have rebooted Bond. I wouldn’t mind if the reboot was to make the films more faithful to the novels, but it seems to me that the reboot is mainly to attract Bourne fans.
I take your point, but for me the films have always had a separate life to the novels. If the novels were filmed page by page, I don’t think they would make good “Bond films”. The Bond films are a totally separate entity than the books, for me, anyway.
When you call him " troll", waht do you mean? In Norway one would think of someone who is as large as a house, stupid, can smell christians, is incredibly ugly, turns into stone in the sun and normally turns up in fairy tales.
Urban Dictionary's definition of "Troll": One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument.
But back onto topic, wasn't anyone else reminded of YOLT with the whole bond being 'dead' thing?
If you think about it the two definitions are not mutually exclusive.
And yes, it is kind of a YOLT-esque element, but it looks like it's going to be good, perhaps more Bourne than Bond, but good none the less. Of course, trailers sometime show the best of the film, but I'm still looking forward to the November release.
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After watching the trailer several times I have a question to. Where is Kincade (Albert Finney)? Maybe he doesn't have a big part in the movie? Or are the producers leaving him out for some other reason? Perhaps Kincade is the real villain of the movie, and Silva is just his henchman? Only time will tell.
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Well, I love it! I will love the movie (as I have said before) unconditionally as a parent loves a child (most of the time).
With reference to some of the comments above: I think that all the movies are products of their time. I mean compare Dr No to say TSWLM...both brilliant, but both so different AND both now look very dated. SF will be very 2012, but I am guessing that in 20 years time it will look tired.
This looks fantastic. Incredibly excited. I have been pulling apart the HD version frame by frame (yeah, a quiet work day).
Where Bond looks at the PPK/S he is sat in a Mercedes, looks like a C Class. Yes, Im that sad!
Definitely a Mercedes S-Class and not a C-Class. We have both types of cars at home and the steering wheel is definitely from a S-Class. Agree with Thunderpussy; must be a scene from Shanghai as China is the biggest market for S-Class and the BMW 7-series.
Q says that the pistol handed over to Bond is a Walther PPK - S - 9mm short.
Now I know that the K refers to Kruz - the german for short. But I am a little unsure what the 'S' means.
Also I take it that the reference to 9mm short refers to the cartridge length of shell?
Q says that the pistol handed over to Bond is a Walther PPK - S - 9mm short.
Now I know that the K refers to Kruz - the german for short. But I am a little unsure what the 'S' means.
Also I take it that the reference to 9mm short refers to the cartridge length of shell?
Cheers in advance.
The 's' stands for sporting I believe.
Accoding to wikimakeitupasyougoalong, The standard PPK was too short in height to meet the US requirements to make the pistol eligable for import into the states (this much is true), as the pistol didn't have large enough dimensions and other 'sporting' features
As the PPK/s handles in the same manner as the PPK, im not sure what these 'sporting' features are, or how it makes a difference as the feature of both pistols is identical, its only the height of the grip that changes.
Anyhow, as its made to meet the US import req's, which mention sporting features I'd assume the 'S' stands for 'sporting'.
As for the round, 9mm short does refer to the cartridge length, there's a pic in the P99 thread in the skyfall sub forum of the 9 mil short compared against a 9mm parabellum.
it seems very 'British' or rather 'English'...that's a good thing (being a fan of all things English- Emily Blunt, Kiera Knightley, Rachel Weisz!)
...if there is one thing I appreciate about Craig's Bond is that there is a vulnerability absent in all the other Bonds...which of course makes his stories very interesting, this is the case again in Skyfall.
..Berenice...its going to be hard to not 'notice' HER if you bring your lovelies to the film!!
Any idea why Bond would be in a Merc?? Even if it's an S-Class, isn't that a bit leftfield since he has zero association with the brand or implied image? Any theories / inside knowledge?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Bond isn't even in a Mercedes in the trailer?? What are you talking about?
Any idea why Bond would be in a Merc?? Even if it's an S-Class, isn't that a bit leftfield since he has zero association with the brand or implied image? Any theories / inside knowledge?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Bond isn't even in a Mercedes in the trailer?? What are you talking about?
Do you mean the part where he is inside a car? Not sure if he's pulling up to M's pad there... But to me that could also be the interior of the Jaguar...
Q says that the pistol handed over to Bond is a Walther PPK - S - 9mm short.
Now I know that the K refers to Kruz - the german for short. But I am a little unsure what the 'S' means.
Also I take it that the reference to 9mm short refers to the cartridge length of shell?
Cheers in advance.
The PPK/S is the PPK made for the US market, it has the PPK short slide and barrel with the PP frame giving a bigger grip and a extra round in the magazine.
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Couldn't agree with you more.... -{
Bond is looking good, loving the few lines of dialogue we have, the scenery/locations and the introduction to the younger Q - ticks all my boxes and a few more besides.
And the subtle cuff gesture on the way in from the Tube explosion is just brilliant :007)
Urban Dictionary's definition of "Troll": One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument.
But back onto topic, wasn't anyone else reminded of YOLT with the whole bond being 'dead' thing?
1 - Moore, 2 - Dalton, 3 - Craig, 4 - Connery, 5 - Brosnan, 6 - Lazenby
And yes - thought of YOLT the moment I saw the trailer.
I like all the films up to when Brosnan took over.
If someone is a troll for disagreeing with someone else, then I must be a troll. You must be, also, for disagreeing with me.
Up above you said "I never said Moore’s films were good. I was talking about the way the trailers then were more effective in showcasing Bond films."
I don't think you can keep track of your own bullsh!t.
Just for the record osris I wasn't disagreeing with you (I haven't even read your posts, or a bunch of others). I was just quoting the online definition of "troll" to Number24 who wasn't sure of it's meaning.
1 - Moore, 2 - Dalton, 3 - Craig, 4 - Connery, 5 - Brosnan, 6 - Lazenby
alot of the high rollers would be in big Mercs and BMWs,
Then again Q is giving a voice over could be Bond is waiting for someone,
getting the gun ready. Mabey for the poor chap falling on to the street
in the trailer.
Sadly no knowledge, Just guessing.
Yes, I never said Moore’s films were good in and of themselves but as examples of the success formula that drew audiences to Bond, they were good. My favourite, Bond of all time, though, is Connery. That doesn’t mean I hate Dalton or Moore. Taste is more complex than you might realise.
Sorry, I confused you with Gala Brand.
Now please, carry on -{
I take your point, but for me the films have always had a separate life to the novels. If the novels were filmed page by page, I don’t think they would make good “Bond films”. The Bond films are a totally separate entity than the books, for me, anyway.
What's up with the scorpion? Is that a thing that people do? Is it the Greek equivalent of a tequila worm?
If you think about it the two definitions are not mutually exclusive.
And yes, it is kind of a YOLT-esque element, but it looks like it's going to be good, perhaps more Bourne than Bond, but good none the less. Of course, trailers sometime show the best of the film, but I'm still looking forward to the November release.
Reflections in a double bourbon...
With reference to some of the comments above: I think that all the movies are products of their time. I mean compare Dr No to say TSWLM...both brilliant, but both so different AND both now look very dated. SF will be very 2012, but I am guessing that in 20 years time it will look tired.
Definitely a Mercedes S-Class and not a C-Class. We have both types of cars at home and the steering wheel is definitely from a S-Class. Agree with Thunderpussy; must be a scene from Shanghai as China is the biggest market for S-Class and the BMW 7-series.
One for all you gun experts out there?
Q says that the pistol handed over to Bond is a Walther PPK - S - 9mm short.
Now I know that the K refers to Kruz - the german for short. But I am a little unsure what the 'S' means.
Also I take it that the reference to 9mm short refers to the cartridge length of shell?
Cheers in advance.
The 's' stands for sporting I believe.
Accoding to wikimakeitupasyougoalong, The standard PPK was too short in height to meet the US requirements to make the pistol eligable for import into the states (this much is true), as the pistol didn't have large enough dimensions and other 'sporting' features
As the PPK/s handles in the same manner as the PPK, im not sure what these 'sporting' features are, or how it makes a difference as the feature of both pistols is identical, its only the height of the grip that changes.
Anyhow, as its made to meet the US import req's, which mention sporting features I'd assume the 'S' stands for 'sporting'.
As for the round, 9mm short does refer to the cartridge length, there's a pic in the P99 thread in the skyfall sub forum of the 9 mil short compared against a 9mm parabellum.
MG -{
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...if there is one thing I appreciate about Craig's Bond is that there is a vulnerability absent in all the other Bonds...which of course makes his stories very interesting, this is the case again in Skyfall.
..Berenice...its going to be hard to not 'notice' HER if you bring your lovelies to the film!!
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Bond isn't even in a Mercedes in the trailer?? What are you talking about?
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the part where he pulls up outside M's pad.
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Do you mean the part where he is inside a car? Not sure if he's pulling up to M's pad there... But to me that could also be the interior of the Jaguar...
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The PPK/S is the PPK made for the US market, it has the PPK short slide and barrel with the PP frame giving a bigger grip and a extra round in the magazine.