PPK under his coat, etc for personal protection, P99 in the glovebox of the car for bigger game, small folding sniper rifle and/or small compact machine pistol hidden in the boot. That's your basic "OO" automotive travel kit for the field. -{
Well that was alluded to in CR. He had the PPK originally in the PTS, then he was issued the P99 in the DBS glovebox (albeit he had the P99 in his casual clothes post PTS). We can only assume the UMP came from the DBS too. Great combo.
Let me shed some light into the start of this thread. I had the opportunity to shoot the PPK and the PPS (and a PPQ for that matter) back to back to back.
The PPQ IMO is the logical next step from the P99. It's got better ergonomics, better trigger mechanics, and a rail for extras (if you're into that sort of thing). The only downside from the P99 is I feel it's a bit more 'boxy' than the P99.
Anyway, enough of that. The PPK is a fine shooting weapon. At 15' I can manage to group within 6" (one round after another with little to no space between shots). It's nice and slim and is easily concealable. The downsides of it though are that unless you **** the hammer back, that first shot will pull (right in my case) because of the heavier trigger pull. Also, because it's a metal frame gun, it can be heavy (though not as heavy as you might expect).
On the other hand, shooting the PPS, I have to say that (at least I did) found it much more natural in the hand. I was shooting the 9mm version, and I have to say that the kick might have been less than the .380 PPK. I found the lighter weight to be exceptionally nice (you can say all you want about polymer frames, having worked with the stuff in undergrad I personally prefer the stuff) and the quick action trigger mechanics to be amazing, not to mention something Bond would be particularly fond of. Also to note that 4 out of 5 of my groupings with the PPS beat out my PPK groupings, so (at least in my hands) the PPS seems to be a bit more accurate. Size wise, the PPS is only a few mm larger than the PPK and is still extremely easy to conceal.
I kept seeing 'tradition' being thrown around. Okay, you can't get rid of and just replace the PPK. But in the moments where Bond knows that shooting is more likely than not, I think a more modern Walther (notice I suggested only a walther) might be something to consider. When Fleming introduced the PPK in Dr. No (1958?), it was a modern gun. It was the top of the line for what Bond was going to be doing, up through at least the 60's if not into the 70's. But as traditional as it is (and if Bond is in a suit, he needs the PPK I'll conceed that) the PPK is aged. Fleming would have kept Bond up to date.
I agree that Bonds gun should stay up to date. Personally I love the PPK but I also thing introducing Craig with the P99 was a great choice. If I remember correctly, all these P-- models were designed for police use anyways, but the PPS seems a little too "mall cop" for me. I'd like it if he stuck with the PPK or P99
I would like to see a P99 or a standard German PPK, Not a newer S&W PPK
Well, that's what we have. He has never used a S&W PPK, and I don't see them ever doing that.
The ppk/s in skyfall was an s&w model.
Actually it wasn't, it's a common internet rumour fuelled by the totally incorrect IMFDB page. He used a post 1967 German PPK version in the PTS and a German PPK 1962 version in all the London scenes. The derma grip signature PPK/S was actually a 3D printed model PPK and was non working apart from the lights.
It was based on a PPK they scanned which had an Interarms slide and a German PPK body with the derma grips carved into the model after it was printed and then the finished gun was cast and molded in resin with radio or hidden micro switch controlled working LEDs in green only (the red was added post production). The live version with the signature grips was a regular German PPK with slip on oversized resin model grips (this had the radio activated LEDs). The only time you see that is in the car when Bond activates the lights for the first time while waiting for Patrice as he enters the lobby. Those grips looked too bulky and so they made the slim 3D printed version. A real PPK would have to have huge amounts of metal machined from the butt for the grips to be so slim as it appears on the resin versions used.
The resin PPK/S you see in the box Q gives him is the resin 3d model with applied Walther banner transfer. All slide markings were removed for the final version, so they had to add that. The PPK/S you see on the poster art with Bond lying back and shooting was airbrushed over a live fire German PPK Craig was holding and shooting when the still was originally taken (from a video). The Walther banner was sloppily photoshopped on there too. On the wrong side.
A PPK/S was never used and neither was the S&W version. Everytime you see Bond with a Walther, it is a PPK.
The LED impregnated beavertail on the prop was originally designed to slide off, and wasn't based on the S&W version beavertail at all. Reference to the PPK/S in the script was supposed to be due to the Signature designation and has nothing to do with the actual model PPK/S. The screenwriters at the time had no idea a PPK/S model existed as they are not prevalent over here.
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PPK under his coat, etc for personal protection, P99 in the glovebox of the car for bigger game, small folding sniper rifle and/or small compact machine pistol hidden in the boot. That's your basic "OO" automotive travel kit for the field. -{
Well that was alluded to in CR. He had the PPK originally in the PTS, then he was issued the P99 in the DBS glovebox (albeit he had the P99 in his casual clothes post PTS). We can only assume the UMP came from the DBS too. Great combo.
Well, that's what we have. He has never used a S&W PPK, and I don't see them ever doing that.
The ppk/s in skyfall was an s&w model.
Actually it wasn't, it's a common internet rumour fuelled by the totally incorrect IMFDB page. He used a post 1967 German PPK version in the PTS and a German PPK 1962 version in all the London scenes. The derma grip signature PPK/S was actually a 3D printed model PPK and was non working apart from the lights.
It was based on a PPK they scanned which had an Interarms slide and a German PPK body with the derma grips carved into the model after it was printed and then the finished gun was cast and molded in resin with radio controlled working LEDs in green only. The live version with the signature grips was a regular German PPK with slip on oversized resin model grips. The only time you see that is in the car when Bond activates the lights for the first time Bond while waiting for Patrice as he enters the lobby. Those grips looked too bulky and so they made the slim 3D printed version. A real PPK would have to have huge amounts of metal machined from the butt for the grips to be so slim as it appears on the resin versions used.
The resin PPK/S you see in the box Q gives him is the resin 3d model with applied Walther banner transfer. All slide markings were removed for the final version, so they had to add that. The PPK/S you see on the poster art with Bond lying back and shooting was airbrushed over a live fire German PPK Craig was holding and shooting when the still was originally taken (from a video). The Walther banner was sloppily photoshopped on there too. On the wrong side.
A PPK/S was never used and neither was the S&W version. Everytime you see Bond with a Walther, it is a PPK.
The LED impregnated beavertail on the prop was originally designed to slide off, and wasn't based on the S&W version beavertail at all. Reference to the PPK/S in the script was supposed to be due to the Signature designation and has nothing to do with the actual model PPK/S. The screenwriters at the time had no idea a PPK/S model existed as they are not prevalent over here.
Wow, thanks for the info! Very interesting. I had just assumed it was a S&W ppk/s because of the long beaver tail shown when Q hands Bond the box with the gun in it.
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I think everyone assumed it was, including me. But I can confirm 100% that it wasn't.
The gun in that pic was a solid resin model. The only thing that worked on it were the LEDs. That beavertail portion that housed the LEDs was originally part of a concept that allowed the beavertail to be removed by sliding the switches you see at the top of the grips. They never went with it though. The screen design has a much flatter and squarer profile than the real S&W beavertail.
I wish someone would update that IMFDB page with accurate information. In the stills on there you can clearly see it's a regular 7.65 PPK, yet they still describe it as a PPK/S X-(
I think he ought to carry a Glock 19,,,but that's just me..
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Yes it's like they were designed by a five year old with a black crayon, and limited time on his hands ...
Plus they're the weapon of choice of gangstas and (especially) wannabe gangstas. Bond deserves a weapon with class.
...and also the choice of the MOD having signed a £9m contract to provide the Armed Forces with more than 25,000 Glocks and holsters.
And the main reason for that and most other contracts is price ,not being the best, that is why the RUC/PSNI went Glock as the Sig out performed it in all other ways, I was involved in that evaluation and really preferred the Sig.
Plus they're the weapon of choice of gangstas and (especially) wannabe gangstas. Bond deserves a weapon with class.
...and also the choice of the MOD having signed a £9m contract to provide the Armed Forces with more than 25,000 Glocks and holsters.
And the main reason for that and most other contracts is price ,not being the best, that is why the RUC/PSNI went Glock as the Sig out performed it in all other ways, I was involved in that evaluation and really preferred the Sig.
Many thanks to ASP9MM for getting the straight "poop" on the Skyfall Walther.
I was actually quite disappointed when I thought EON was using a S&W PPK/S for Bond's pistol. To find out it was a resin copy of a real PPK was somehow quite reassuring. I found the whole "signature gun" BS boring and rather stupid in both License to Kill and Skyfall, but I am resigned that with the long history of special Bond gadgets, the producers feel compelled to have some kind of new device for Bond to showcase.
At least in Skyfall, after it's obligatory use the signature PPK-S got eaten by a CGI dragon and was hopefully disgested, never to return.
There really is no need for Bond to update his personal pistol. The PPK is the only traditional element left to the character, he can't smoke anymore and doesn't wear a Rolex. Got to leave him something....
There are plenty of opportunities to feature the newest and greatest firearms in a Bond film. oo7 doesn't have to carry them himself, just wrest one from a badguy and go to work! Heck one of the best Bond's is Goldfinger and he doesn't even fire the PPK in that movie and after the Walther's brief appearance in the PTS, it disappears for the rest of the film.
Glocks are very rarely used by our criminals, most of them use revolvers and cheap automatics made by companies like Jennings and Raven. (per FBI reports).
Glocks are well made, rarely malfunction, very accurate and businesslike..there's a reason 1000s of police departments in our country use them..
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'Just because nobody complains doesn't mean all parachutes are perfect.'- Benny Hill (1924-1992)
I think he should go back to the Walther p99 that he had in Casino Royale. it's a solid gun that can compete with the bigger magazine capacities that the villains may have and comes in a bigger caliber. all this talk made me go to the range the other day and Fire of my Ppk And my p99...always a blast.
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An ex-GF who was a gun nut and came from a long line of police and military insisted the PPK was a crap gun -- not very accurate past a fairly short distance, among other things. I favor keeping it for its iconic value if nothing else, however.
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Depends what PPK she had shot. The Interarms and S&W versions are often unfavourably talked about compared to the better made German versions. And they are very accurate pistols in that class. Any pistol loses accuracy past a fairly short distance. That is why we have rifles and carbines. Mossad still favours the .22 round for its assassination operatives, as do many other governments. A gun is only as good as the person shooting it.
Far from crap, the Euro Walther PPK has always been a top quality pistol. They are more accurate than 99% of shooters can take advantage of. The little .32 cartridge isn't much in the grand scheme, but I won't stand in front of one. Likely the GF was just parroting information she had heard from some ill-informed "expert".
But heck, I seem to be "parroting" ASP9mm here ... so I'll just end with a "Yaacck"!
Likely the GF was just parroting information she had heard from some ill-informed "expert".
But heck, I seem to be "parroting" ASP9mm here ... so I'll just end with a "Yaacck"!
Yeah, but that's OK cos' I'm right
There's a reason the British Army used the .32 PPK in high risk undercover roles for over 30 years. It's a bloody good gun. It's true that diplomatic protection dropped it in the 70's due to a jam during the famous kidnapping attempt on HRH Princess Anne. But it wasn't the PPK's fault and it's well document that it was down to user error preventing the slide from cycling correctly due to a higher familiarity with revolvers.
LAO's worldwide still use the PPK as a backup pistol, and sometimes the primary one when deep cover calls for it.
With my "brand new " 50 yr old .32 PPK I am getting constant 1.5 -2 inch groups using Remington ammo at 10 mtrs , apparently the US made ones are crap though. I wonder why all my guns, including the 1911 are Europe made
Depends what PPK she had shot. The Interarms and S&W versions are often unfavourably talked about compared to the better made German versions. And they are very accurate pistols in that class. Any pistol loses accuracy past a fairly short distance. That is why we have rifles and carbines. Mossad still favours the .22 round for its assassination operatives, as do many other governments. A gun is only as good as the person shooting it.
Oh, no arguments from me. I've never fired on nor had the desire to, but she's fired a variety of weapons. I'm a lover and not a fighter, which may be why we're not together anymore. )
I think it would be cool if DC used a Walther PPQ.
I agree, isn't that the upgrade from the P99?
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He had the P99 in the PTS. At Driedens.
What's the difference between the two PPKs?
I agree that Bonds gun should stay up to date. Personally I love the PPK but I also thing introducing Craig with the P99 was a great choice. If I remember correctly, all these P-- models were designed for police use anyways, but the PPS seems a little too "mall cop" for me. I'd like it if he stuck with the PPK or P99
S&w increased the length of the "beaver tail" to reduce/eliminate slide bite.
Which snags much more on clothing IMO.
Actually it wasn't, it's a common internet rumour fuelled by the totally incorrect IMFDB page. He used a post 1967 German PPK version in the PTS and a German PPK 1962 version in all the London scenes. The derma grip signature PPK/S was actually a 3D printed model PPK and was non working apart from the lights.
It was based on a PPK they scanned which had an Interarms slide and a German PPK body with the derma grips carved into the model after it was printed and then the finished gun was cast and molded in resin with radio or hidden micro switch controlled working LEDs in green only (the red was added post production). The live version with the signature grips was a regular German PPK with slip on oversized resin model grips (this had the radio activated LEDs). The only time you see that is in the car when Bond activates the lights for the first time while waiting for Patrice as he enters the lobby. Those grips looked too bulky and so they made the slim 3D printed version. A real PPK would have to have huge amounts of metal machined from the butt for the grips to be so slim as it appears on the resin versions used.
The resin PPK/S you see in the box Q gives him is the resin 3d model with applied Walther banner transfer. All slide markings were removed for the final version, so they had to add that. The PPK/S you see on the poster art with Bond lying back and shooting was airbrushed over a live fire German PPK Craig was holding and shooting when the still was originally taken (from a video). The Walther banner was sloppily photoshopped on there too. On the wrong side.
A PPK/S was never used and neither was the S&W version. Everytime you see Bond with a Walther, it is a PPK.
The LED impregnated beavertail on the prop was originally designed to slide off, and wasn't based on the S&W version beavertail at all. Reference to the PPK/S in the script was supposed to be due to the Signature designation and has nothing to do with the actual model PPK/S. The screenwriters at the time had no idea a PPK/S model existed as they are not prevalent over here.
He had the PPK in the PTS bathroom fight.
Wow, thanks for the info! Very interesting. I had just assumed it was a S&W ppk/s because of the long beaver tail shown when Q hands Bond the box with the gun in it.
The gun in that pic was a solid resin model. The only thing that worked on it were the LEDs. That beavertail portion that housed the LEDs was originally part of a concept that allowed the beavertail to be removed by sliding the switches you see at the top of the grips. They never went with it though. The screen design has a much flatter and squarer profile than the real S&W beavertail.
I wish someone would update that IMFDB page with accurate information. In the stills on there you can clearly see it's a regular 7.65 PPK, yet they still describe it as a PPK/S X-(
'Just because nobody complains doesn't mean all parachutes are perfect.'- Benny Hill (1924-1992)
Not a Glock, every movie since Die Hard 2 has featured them and they are the most boring pistol in the world to look at .
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Yes it's like they were designed by a five year old with a black crayon, and limited time on his hands ...
Plus they're the weapon of choice of gangstas and (especially) wannabe gangstas. Bond deserves a weapon with class.
...and also the choice of the MOD having signed a £9m contract to provide the Armed Forces with more than 25,000 Glocks and holsters.
1. People who hate things.
2. Irony.
3. Lists.
And the main reason for that and most other contracts is price ,not being the best, that is why the RUC/PSNI went Glock as the Sig out performed it in all other ways, I was involved in that evaluation and really preferred the Sig.
I'm sure you're right but you can only go by what the people testing it officially say right: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20978842
Personally, I'd like to see Bond stick with the Walther PPK after some thought.
1. People who hate things.
2. Irony.
3. Lists.
I was actually quite disappointed when I thought EON was using a S&W PPK/S for Bond's pistol. To find out it was a resin copy of a real PPK was somehow quite reassuring. I found the whole "signature gun" BS boring and rather stupid in both License to Kill and Skyfall, but I am resigned that with the long history of special Bond gadgets, the producers feel compelled to have some kind of new device for Bond to showcase.
At least in Skyfall, after it's obligatory use the signature PPK-S got eaten by a CGI dragon and was hopefully disgested, never to return.
There really is no need for Bond to update his personal pistol. The PPK is the only traditional element left to the character, he can't smoke anymore and doesn't wear a Rolex. Got to leave him something....
There are plenty of opportunities to feature the newest and greatest firearms in a Bond film. oo7 doesn't have to carry them himself, just wrest one from a badguy and go to work! Heck one of the best Bond's is Goldfinger and he doesn't even fire the PPK in that movie and after the Walther's brief appearance in the PTS, it disappears for the rest of the film.
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Glocks are well made, rarely malfunction, very accurate and businesslike..there's a reason 1000s of police departments in our country use them..
'Just because nobody complains doesn't mean all parachutes are perfect.'- Benny Hill (1924-1992)
"How did he die" "Your contact, not well" ~ DC in CR
Your ex GF was full of .... gas!
Far from crap, the Euro Walther PPK has always been a top quality pistol. They are more accurate than 99% of shooters can take advantage of. The little .32 cartridge isn't much in the grand scheme, but I won't stand in front of one. Likely the GF was just parroting information she had heard from some ill-informed "expert".
But heck, I seem to be "parroting" ASP9mm here ... so I'll just end with a "Yaacck"!
Bond’s Beretta
The Handguns of Ian Fleming's James Bond
Yeah, but that's OK cos' I'm right
There's a reason the British Army used the .32 PPK in high risk undercover roles for over 30 years. It's a bloody good gun. It's true that diplomatic protection dropped it in the 70's due to a jam during the famous kidnapping attempt on HRH Princess Anne. But it wasn't the PPK's fault and it's well document that it was down to user error preventing the slide from cycling correctly due to a higher familiarity with revolvers.
LAO's worldwide still use the PPK as a backup pistol, and sometimes the primary one when deep cover calls for it.
I agree, isn't that the upgrade from the P99?