So it did copy Austin Powers... (SPOILERS)

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  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,351MI6 Agent
    I'd leave this thread open - sooner or later someone else will pop up with that kind of theory again 8-)
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  • HatThrowingHenchmanHatThrowingHenchman Russia With LovePosts: 1,834MI6 Agent
    I find these theories rather amusing:
    Skyfall was called a copy of Home Alone
    now Spectre is being called a copy of Austin Powers

    now I'm really tempted to start a thread named: "name the movie each Bond is a copy of" :v
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  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,351MI6 Agent
    oh, that sounds like fun :D
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  • ACACIA_AVENUEACACIA_AVENUE UKPosts: 1,729MI6 Agent
    What a brilliant Idea {[]

    Then we can discuss the pros and cons of the copy against the Bond film, rank the copies against the Bond films, compare the actors, soundtrack, audience figures, what people ate in the cinema, what day they went to see it, who they saw it with.

    This should keep us going till Bond 25 {[] {[] ................... which will be a copy of ? any suggestions ?
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  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,351MI6 Agent
    edited November 2015
    I have things in my trainer closet that would keep us busy until Bond 26 :)) :))
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  • ACACIA_AVENUEACACIA_AVENUE UKPosts: 1,729MI6 Agent
    :)) :)) :))
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  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,351MI6 Agent
    Higgins wrote:
    I have things in my trainer closet that would keep us busy until Bond 26 :)) :))


    ... and Sir Miles until B28 :D
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  • Absolutely_CartAbsolutely_Cart NJ/NYC, United StatesPosts: 1,740MI6 Agent
    Then we can discuss the pros and cons of the copy against the Bond film, rank the copies against the Bond films, compare the actors, soundtrack, audience figures, what people ate in the cinema, what day they went to see it, who they saw it with.

    Don't give me ideas.
    I find these theories rather amusing:
    Skyfall was called a copy of Home Alone
    now Spectre is being called a copy of Austin Powers

    now I'm really tempted to start a thread named: "name the movie each Bond is a copy of" :v

    A part of Skyfall was inspired by a part in Home Alone. But making Blofeld's entire origin story really similar Dr. Evil's origins (as well as in following the pretentious pseudo-psychobabble trend in Hollywood) is another thing.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,696MI6 Agent
    Was home alone inspired by Straw dogs ? :))
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  • Sir MilesSir Miles The Wrong Side Of The WardrobePosts: 25,131Chief of Staff
    Higgins wrote:
    Higgins wrote:
    I have things in my trainer closet that would keep us busy until Bond 26 :)) :))


    ... and Sir Miles until B28 :D

    :o
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  • caractacus pottscaractacus potts Orbital communicator, level 10Posts: 2,186MI6 Agent
    so maybe the producers never had a meeting where they discussed maybe adapting unused Fleming source material, but decided to rip off Austin Powers instead...
    but how were they not aware that Goldmember already existed with a near enough identical plottwist, and the comparison would be made by any and everybody watching it?
    in the 1990s Mike Meyers was making better James Bond type movies than was Pierce Brosnan, most James Bond fans would be familiar, but not the producers?

    btw what is the Home Alone similarity? I'm a huge Catharine O'Hara fan but have somehow never seen those movies
  • Absolutely_CartAbsolutely_Cart NJ/NYC, United StatesPosts: 1,740MI6 Agent
    but how were they not aware that Goldmember already existed with a near enough identical plottwist, and the comparison would be made by any and everybody watching it?

    Exactly. Also, for that matter, how were they not aware that everyone basically knew Franz was Blofeld? How were they not aware we already knew the plot twist of them being brothers?
    in the 1990s Mike Meyers was making better James Bond type movies than was Pierce Brosnan, most James Bond fans would be familiar, but not the producers?

    Exactly. Some are shocked that I was an Austin Powers fan before I was even a Bond fan. I was born in '91. When I was growing up, James Bond's competition to Austin Powers was Die Another Day.
    btw what is the Home Alone similarity? I'm a huge Catharine O'Hara fan but have somehow never seen those movies

    In one scene, the boy (who is home alone) anticipates robbers coming and sets up the house with dozens of traps. Skyfall does use this. However, copying a core plot idea is a worse offense than copying an action scene. Moreover, it's more embarassing for James Bond to copy a James Bond parody than anything.
  • HatThrowingHenchmanHatThrowingHenchman Russia With LovePosts: 1,834MI6 Agent
    I don't think "copy" is the right expression. just because they have something similar, it doesn't mean they stole the idea. It fitts in Bond's story, so I don't see why it shouldn't have been used?!
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  • MilleniumForceMilleniumForce LondonPosts: 1,214MI6 Agent
    I think it's unfair to say the idea Home Alone had was original anyway. Nancy does the exact same thing - setting traps in her home - in Nightmare On Elm Street.
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  • Absolutely_CartAbsolutely_Cart NJ/NYC, United StatesPosts: 1,740MI6 Agent
    I don't think "copy" is the right expression. just because they have something similar, it doesn't mean they stole the idea. It fitts in Bond's story, so I don't see why it shouldn't have been used?!

    Except the Dr. Evil thing doesn't fit with Bond. It was just shoehorned into the whole psuedo-psychobabble trend of superheroes being fueled by events that happened to them as a child. Batman, for example, being an orphan makes sense. But if you told me was also The Joker's foster brother, I wouldn't take it seriously.
  • HatThrowingHenchmanHatThrowingHenchman Russia With LovePosts: 1,834MI6 Agent
    I don't think "copy" is the right expression. just because they have something similar, it doesn't mean they stole the idea. It fitts in Bond's story, so I don't see why it shouldn't have been used?!

    Except the Dr. Evil thing doesn't fit with Bond. It was just shoehorned into the whole psuedo-psychobabble trend of superheroes being fueled by events that happened to them as a child. Batman, for example, being an orphan makes sense. But if you told me was also The Joker's foster brother, I wouldn't take it seriously.

    you're right here, I'm not keen on this connection with the hero,too. But in SP it was so subtle, I hardly noticed it
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  • JagJag Posts: 1,166MI6 Agent
    How about an alternative hypothesis:

    Spectre does not copy Austin Powers. It's a spoof on Austin Powers!

    Does it make sense now? :))
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,696MI6 Agent
    :)) {[] suddenly everything becomes clear.
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  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,522MI6 Agent
    Does anyone remember when Daniel Craig said, "We had to destroy the myth because Mike Myers fucked us - I am a huge Mike Myers fan, so don't get me wrong - but he kind of fucked us; made it impossible to do the gags."

    http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Why-James-Bond-Franchise-Isn-t-Goofy-Anymore-68491.html

    Then Spectre went ahead to do all these things that Austin Powers parodied from Bond, like Blofeld and his cat. For people like me born in the 1980s, or 1990s, if you say "bald man with a facial scar and a cat" they will think of Dr. Evil rather than Blofeld. That was one of the big things that Austin Powers messed up for Bond. Spectre brought back the scar and the cat, but not the baldness. Craig must have known this, and the increased humour in Spectre, when he talked about how Mike Myers ruined things for Bond.
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  • jim78jim78 Posts: 30MI6 Agent
    I was disgusted after watching Spectre. These people who made this film live comfortably and are well paid yet don't know how to write good drama...so what are they earning money from it for?

    Personal connections doesn't equal depth of character and higher stakes narrative thrust.

    Seriously...what do you people think Ian Fleming would make of what they did to both Bond and Blofeld? It's lazy, amateurish writing. The fact that Austin Powers did it first ( which I always took to be Myers parody of the plot twist in The Empire Strikes Back ) only adds to how badly written Spectre was.

    I'm surprised more Bond fans aren't up in arms about this. Giving Bond and Blofeld even loose familial connections ruins the integrity of both characters. Oh it's personal so the stakes are higher...give me a break. I'm a relatively intelligent adult, I expect more from my entertainments.

    I guess 21st century Latte drinking hacks taking a character created in the 1950's and trying to add depth is asking too much. They obviously don't understand who Bond is. He's a professional but the writers obviously aren't.
  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,522MI6 Agent
    jim78 wrote:
    I was disgusted after watching Spectre. These people who made this film live comfortably and are well paid yet don't know how to write good drama...so what are they earning money from it for?

    Personal connections doesn't equal depth of character and higher stakes narrative thrust.

    Seriously...what do you people think Ian Fleming would make of what they did to both Bond and Blofeld? It's lazy, amateurish writing. The fact that Austin Powers did it first ( which I always took to be Myers parody of the plot twist in The Empire Strikes Back ) only adds to how badly written Spectre was.

    I'm surprised more Bond fans aren't up in arms about this. Giving Bond and Blofeld even loose familial connections ruins the integrity of both characters. Oh it's personal so the stakes are higher...give me a break. I'm a relatively intelligent adult, I expect more from my entertainments.

    I guess 21st century Latte drinking hacks taking a character created in the 1950's and trying to add depth is asking too much. They obviously don't understand who Bond is. He's a professional but the writers obviously aren't.

    Most Bond fans hate this about Spectre.

    I don't think the writers realise that the personal connection actually makes the stakes so much lower. It's no longer about Bond saving the world, only about him saving himself.
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  • jim78jim78 Posts: 30MI6 Agent
    True. This world building nonsense franchises do nowadays has become so contrived. They've just made both Blofelds' and Bonds' world so much smaller. Then again, there hasn't been a tight, character driven script for Bond since Goldeneye IMO. Sean Beans line about the martinis silencing the screams of all Bonds' kills or whatever it was says more about Bond than all the women leading Bond by the hand in Casino Royale ever said...and don't get me started on Skyfall. Silva was a second rate Joker from The Dark Knight rip off. At least the Jokers plans didn't seem contrived by the script the way Silva's did.

    All Craigs' films have demonstrated to me that they weren't written by true adults. Look at the scene that introduces Bond in Dr No. Can anyone point to one scene in any of the recent films that so economically drew character for it's audience? It's a lost art if you ask me ( although nobody asked but how and ever ).
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,696MI6 Agent
    I look forward to the next interpretation of Sherlock Holmes, as you could have Moriarty as in fact
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  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 30,802Chief of Staff
    jim78 wrote:
    Look at the scene that introduces Bond in Dr No. Can anyone point to one scene in any of the recent films that so economically drew character for it's audience? It's a lost art if you ask me ( although nobody asked but how and ever ).

    {[] And in the same movie, the scene where Bond meets Dr No himself.
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 30,802Chief of Staff
    I look forward to the next interpretation of Sherlock Holmes, as you could have Moriarty as in fact
    A third Brother ! ;)

    Well, it's better than Sherlock and Mycroft having a sister- that would be truly terrible! Oh, wait....
  • jim78jim78 Posts: 30MI6 Agent
    Yeah :)) . Maybe they should get the writers of Coronation Street to write a Bond or a Sherlock Holmes. They obviously want contrived, nonsensical rubbish. Who better?
  • jim78jim78 Posts: 30MI6 Agent
    Yeah Barbel. I love Dr No. The only thing I don't like about it is that stuff about the dragon.

    Blame Martin Cambell for how enjoyable Casino Royale is to watch. He took a badly written script and made a film so stylish very few people noticed.
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 30,802Chief of Staff
    I'd like to see Campbell back, of course. Even if there's a dragon...
  • jim78jim78 Posts: 30MI6 Agent
    :)) Yeah Barbel. Give Campbell a script as tight as Goldeneye and let him work his magic. Also get rid of Daniel Craig. He doesn't know how to play the character. I have a wine rack here that has more charisma than that Putin clone. Even at the most shallowest levels he fails. James Bond is supposed to look better than me in a suit...and what exactly were his choices as an actor? To keep it all contained or he simply doesn't know how to play the character? Fassebender would be perfect IMO. Watching Inglorious Basterds showed me that. Dangerous but charming.

    People ridicule Roger Moore but I was born in the seventies so he was my Bond. Him and Connery had something Craig lacks...charisma...oh...and humour. Moore was the second worst Bond but Christ...was he entertaining. They figured that Craig was good for a brute that Vesper Lynd had to teach how to dress himself. Emasculated males nowadays...even Bond. It's pathetic really. Give me Connery any day. He was his own man. Craig can blame the writing on everything except his performance. My inner child still wants to buy into the fantasy of Bond. Between the horrid writing and Craigs interpretation ( and his Polish boxer looks ) I can't buy into the fantasy anymore. On top of that the filmakers want us to believe it's gritty and realistic. Cubby Broccoli understood what the cinematic Bond was. The current producers don't IMO,
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 30,802Chief of Staff
    I like your line about how "James Bond is supposed to look better than me in a suit"! It reminds me of "Bond is what every man would like to be, and what every woman would like to have between her sheets"- when I was a boy ( a long time ago now) James Bond was Sean Connery; when I was a teenager he was Roger Moore. Charisma and humour, in varying degrees.
    I watched the movies and read the books- James Bond was who I wanted to be, and the actors fulfilled that. Later, Dalton and Brosnan could arguably be seen as continuing in that vein. Only with Craig did that fail for me- I didn't want to be him. I am looking forward to the next Bond as being closer to the classic image.

    This doesn't mean that I haven't enjoyed Craig's movies. I think CR06 is one of the classic Bond films, but that's because of ts Fleming content and despite Craig, and SF and to a lesser extent SP both work for me.
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