Next Bond after Craig: Rumours, etc

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  • JarvioJarvio EnglandPosts: 4,236MI6 Agent
    Some seem to have a strong hatred for Brosnan :# something I simply
    Can't understand. You may not be totally in love with some actors but poor
    Old Brozza seems to get some vitriol directed at him.

    To be fair, doesn't Moore get even more abuse around here?
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  • welshboy78welshboy78 Posts: 10,295MI6 Agent
    edited March 2016
    Be interesting to see who is next and how they perform.

    I guess if they are terrible then it will quite poss elevate Brozzers and DCs status as Bond.

    Its hard to say how much people love / hate DC - guessing I would say majority like him as Bond.

    I would also put Moore above Lazenby in the general public ranking. I think only hardcore Bond fans are fond of Lazenby and appreciate OHMSS whilst the casual viewer hates him as he is the odd one in the Bond lineup. I think people accept Moore due to the period and his overall light hearted take of the character and any cheese which goes with it!! :)
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  • LoeffelholzLoeffelholz The United States, With LovePosts: 8,993Quartermasters
    Jarvio wrote:
    Some seem to have a strong hatred for Brosnan :# something I simply
    Can't understand. You may not be totally in love with some actors but poor
    Old Brozza seems to get some vitriol directed at him.

    To be fair, doesn't Moore get even more abuse around here?

    Quite so...but although he's my least favourite Bond by a country mile, I have nothing but love and respect for him as an actor, humanitarian and gentleman :007)
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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    Could be true, I tend not to respond to any posts just attacking any actor.
    Simply roll my eyes and move on, to a more positive post. I hate any
    negative posts, as I'm a simple old Bond fan, I love the films, books and
    actors. I honestly can't understand some people at times, always "down",
    Eager to point out flaws and faults, pulling the films apart.
    I know it comes in waves ( especially after a new film) but at times, it can
    get so negative which seems odd for a " Fan" forum.
    If Craig does another I'll be happy and if a new guy takes over, I'll be happy. :D
    I love Connery, Dalton and Craig, as Bond but I also love the Films of Moore, Brosnan
    and Lazenby. I guess I'm a very lucky Fan, or I'm easily pleased. :))
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  • LoeffelholzLoeffelholz The United States, With LovePosts: 8,993Quartermasters
    I saw a page or so ago that someone posted that the success of SF had very little to do with Daniel Craig. I find that to be very interesting...and proof, really, that if you strongly disapprove of a particular Bond actor, he can do little right.

    Please, Dan...two more :v
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  • Sir MilesSir Miles The Wrong Side Of The WardrobePosts: 26,686Chief of Staff
    Matt S wrote:
    Sir Miles wrote:
    Chriscoop wrote:
    It's remarkable really...being attacked on a bond forum for being a fan of Bond??

    I'd like to think it was more a different viewpoint rather than being attacked...it's just some people struggle to get their thoughts across successfully when they type...

    I've been personally insulted for saying positive things about Brosnan here. That's more than the other person just having a different viewpoint.

    That's unacceptable...please give me a PM with more information please -{
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  • JagJag Posts: 1,167MI6 Agent
    Matt S wrote:
    Jag wrote:

    Please tell me you are not really suggesting that no-one can be considered Swiss or Scottish unless they are Caucasian. The reality is that there are thousands of people like that.

    I don't think he's suggesting that it's impossible, but it's highly improbable. The next Bond's parents would have been born in the 1940s or 1950s. At that time, how many non-Caucasians would have been born in Scotland and Switzerland? Considerably fewer than the small percentage in those countries today. It's not completely impossible for a non-caucasian to fit that criteria Fleming established, but it's highly unlikely.

    Precisely; thank you -{

    I tend to be pretty conservative (believe it or not) with regard to the physical appearance requirements for Bond, despite my affection for Daniel Craig - IMO, he's as far from the traditional norm as I hope they go, and fully expect them to veer back toward tradition with his replacement, whenever he comes. Either Hiddleston or Turner (despite the latter's nearness to Craig's height) would be a step in that direction. Cavill would be a leap back to convention: a physique even more impressive than Connery's...with Brosnan's pretty-boy looks. But again, I think Cavill has missed his opportunity.


    I think you are trying to have it both ways… conservative with regards to the physical appearance, and yet willing to make an exception for your favourite. As such an exception has been done, why stop, and even more, why go back? It’s been 60 years since Fleming and the setting of his stories, and the world has moved forward. Bond no longer smokes, for example. Even if we insist on Bond’s Scottish/Swiss parentage, by the middle of the 20th century there were already non-Caucasian people living in Scotland and Switzerland for generations, and mixed-ethnicity couples, though perhaps not common, existed too. Britain in was only beginning to lose its empire in which quite a lot of intermarriage happened. So it won’t even require much creative writing to make a multi-cultural Bond, who would be much more appealing to 21st century sensitivities. It’s interesting how in SPECTRE Oberhauser and Blofeld were merged into one, totally contrary to Fleming’s writing. A good writer will easily find a way to play with literary tradition and make it more relevant. That would be just one way of getting Bond out of the corner into which EON put him in recent movies.
  • MarcAngeDracoMarcAngeDraco Piz GloriaPosts: 564MI6 Agent
    I saw a page or so ago that someone posted that the success of SF had very little to do with Daniel Craig. I find that to be very interesting...and proof, really, that if you strongly disapprove of a particular Bond actor, he can do little right.

    Please, Dan...two more :v

    That would be me, but that was in response to someone who said that Daniel Craig was the $1bil Bond, and I was pointing out that there were other factors involved in Skyfall being the highest grossing Bond film. Daniel has done a lot right in my book. I especially like him in his reflective moments in his Bond films. Skyfall is also in my top 10 Bond films. I like all the Bonds, but Craig would have to be my least favourite.

    (For those who give two hoots -
    1. Connery/Brosnan
    2. Lazenby
    3. Moore
    4. Dalton
    5. Craig
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  • ToTheRightToTheRight Posts: 314MI6 Agent
    Matt S wrote:
    For the record, I'm a fan of Brosnan. I just attacked here every time I say something positive about him.

    I like hearing positive things said about Pierce. Some of my best cinema experiences were going to see the latest Brosnan Bond opening night....then seeing it again the next night. During the Brosnan era I could not imagine anyone else in the role. He owned it as far as I was concerned.
  • JagJag Posts: 1,167MI6 Agent
    ToTheRight wrote:
    Matt S wrote:
    For the record, I'm a fan of Brosnan. I just attacked here every time I say something positive about him.

    I like hearing positive things said about Pierce. Some of my best cinema experiences were going to see the latest Brosnan Bond opening night....then seeing it again the next night. During the Brosnan era I could not imagine anyone else in the role. He owned it as far as I was concerned.


    That's me as well, and have to add the since Pierce left the role I appreciate his contribution even more.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,061MI6 Agent
    Bye Craig, hello Turner;
    Press Release: Producers Michael G. Wilson and Barbara Broccoli, EON Productions; Gary Barber, Chairman & CEO, Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer; today announced that Daniel Craig will retire from playing Ian Fleming's James Bond, 007.

    Casino Royale, Quantum of Solace, Skyfall, and SPECTRE took in a combined gross of over $3 billion, were among the most critically successful Bond films, and immediately proved to both critics and fans that the franchise was in yet another golden era.

    Commenting on the announcement, Wilson and Broccoli said, "We are thrilled to have had such an extraordinary success with our last four films. While we are saddened that we will no longer be working with Daniel, a close collaborator and friend for over a decade, we look forward to working alongside another extraordinary actor to once again take the reins of Ian Fleming's ingenious creation.

    Barber added, "We consider ourselves privileged to have worked with such a phenomenal actor, and to have shared his chapter of Bond with audiences all over the world. Daniel was an integral part of this great franchise, who added a whole new layer to Bond, a side of the character we hadn't seen yet." He added, "We look forward to the future and to work alongside a new talent for years to come. Without a doubt, as evidenced by the phenomenal success of our last collaboration with EON Productions, the incredible legacy of this 54-year-old franchise will continue to amaze. We welcome Aidan Turner into our fold."
    :o
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  • ToTheRightToTheRight Posts: 314MI6 Agent
    Jag wrote:
    ToTheRight wrote:
    Matt S wrote:
    For the record, I'm a fan of Brosnan. I just attacked here every time I say something positive about him.

    I like hearing positive things said about Pierce. Some of my best cinema experiences were going to see the latest Brosnan Bond opening night....then seeing it again the next night. During the Brosnan era I could not imagine anyone else in the role. He owned it as far as I was concerned.


    That's me as well, and have to add the since Pierce left the role I appreciate his contribution even more.

    Same here. To be honest I'm hoping whoever eventually replaces Daniel has some of the qualities Brosnan had. Someone who just IS James Bond. Not some I have to try and picture in the role.
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 36,502Chief of Staff
    And a happy April 1st to you too, chrisisall! :)) :)) :))
    chrisisall wrote:
    Bye Craig, hello Turner;
    Press Release: Producers Michael G. Wilson and Barbara Broccoli, EON Productions; Gary Barber, Chairman & CEO, Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer; today announced that Daniel Craig will retire from playing Ian Fleming's James Bond, 007.

    Casino Royale, Quantum of Solace, Skyfall, and SPECTRE took in a combined gross of over $3 billion, were among the most critically successful Bond films, and immediately proved to both critics and fans that the franchise was in yet another golden era.

    Commenting on the announcement, Wilson and Broccoli said, "We are thrilled to have had such an extraordinary success with our last four films. While we are saddened that we will no longer be working with Daniel, a close collaborator and friend for over a decade, we look forward to working alongside another extraordinary actor to once again take the reins of Ian Fleming's ingenious creation.

    Barber added, "We consider ourselves privileged to have worked with such a phenomenal actor, and to have shared his chapter of Bond with audiences all over the world. Daniel was an integral part of this great franchise, who added a whole new layer to Bond, a side of the character we hadn't seen yet." He added, "We look forward to the future and to work alongside a new talent for years to come. Without a doubt, as evidenced by the phenomenal success of our last collaboration with EON Productions, the incredible legacy of this 54-year-old franchise will continue to amaze. We welcome Aidan Turner into our fold."
    :o
  • LoeffelholzLoeffelholz The United States, With LovePosts: 8,993Quartermasters
    Jag wrote:
    I think you are trying to have it both ways… conservative with regards to the physical appearance, and yet willing to make an exception for your favourite. As such an exception has been done, why stop, and even more, why go back? It’s been 60 years since Fleming and the setting of his stories, and the world has moved forward. Bond no longer smokes, for example. Even if we insist on Bond’s Scottish/Swiss parentage, by the middle of the 20th century there were already non-Caucasian people living in Scotland and Switzerland for generations, and mixed-ethnicity couples, though perhaps not common, existed too. Britain in was only beginning to lose its empire in which quite a lot of intermarriage happened. So it won’t even require much creative writing to make a multi-cultural Bond, who would be much more appealing to 21st century sensitivities. It’s interesting how in SPECTRE Oberhauser and Blofeld were merged into one, totally contrary to Fleming’s writing. A good writer will easily find a way to play with literary tradition and make it more relevant. That would be just one way of getting Bond out of the corner into which EON put him in recent movies.

    Nice try :)) This fish isn't biting; try another pond.
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  • LoeffelholzLoeffelholz The United States, With LovePosts: 8,993Quartermasters
    Barbel wrote:
    And a happy April 1st to you too, chrisisall! :)) :)) :))

    Yes indeed! :)) Well played.
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  • JagJag Posts: 1,167MI6 Agent
    ToTheRight wrote:
    Jag wrote:
    ToTheRight wrote:

    I like hearing positive things said about Pierce. Some of my best cinema experiences were going to see the latest Brosnan Bond opening night....then seeing it again the next night. During the Brosnan era I could not imagine anyone else in the role. He owned it as far as I was concerned.


    That's me as well, and have to add the since Pierce left the role I appreciate his contribution even more.

    Same here. To be honest I'm hoping whoever eventually replaces Daniel has some of the qualities Brosnan had. Someone who just IS James Bond. Not some I have to try and picture in the role.


    Looks like we're feeling exactly the same about at least the last two Bond actors. Here's to hoping we can agree on the one to follow too! -{
  • zaphod99zaphod99 Posts: 1,415MI6 Agent
    stag wrote:
    Just my tuppence worth. The site would be a pretty one dimensional place if we all liked or disliked the same things. A charge sometimes levelled here is that if you don't like one aspect of the JB world then you can't be a fan. If one supports a football team they are not duty bound to slavishly worship every manager who leads their team to victory or defeat. The same with Bond, no one can be expected to like everything associated with the films or the books nor agree with every opinion, a nodding dog culture wouldn't make for a stimulating forum for debate. It is absolutely everyone's right to speak as they find just so long as they remain within the boundaries of gentlemanly conduct & pay observance to the rules of the site. It is this diversity of opinion which creates the vibrancy upon which the site thrives. As far as I'm concerned & although I may not agree & say so, every point of view - just as long as it isn't done maliciously - is as valid as the next simply because it is personal opinion.


    Well said. AJB is home to a range of diverse opinions, but I share the concern regarding the notion of fandom. This has been particularly evident with discussing Spectre where criticism has been a bit unwelcome. The same is true of discussing Daniel. Hegemony is anathema to debate. I regard myself as a passionate fan, but not a 'fan-boy' and am not immune to the flaws and miss steps For example .I have come to appreciate Daniel, and believe that he was by far the best thing about Spectre but feel that any concerns run the risk of being branded a 'Hater' A small issue, but one that I'm glad you have tabled, as I have thought the same thing but was reluctant to give it direct voice as I have been critical in the past.
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  • MarcAngeDracoMarcAngeDraco Piz GloriaPosts: 564MI6 Agent
    ToTheRight wrote:
    Jag wrote:
    ToTheRight wrote:

    I like hearing positive things said about Pierce. Some of my best cinema experiences were going to see the latest Brosnan Bond opening night....then seeing it again the next night. During the Brosnan era I could not imagine anyone else in the role. He owned it as far as I was concerned.

    That's me as well, and have to add the since Pierce left the role I appreciate his contribution even more.

    Same here. To be honest I'm hoping whoever eventually replaces Daniel has some of the qualities Brosnan had. Someone who just IS James Bond. Not some I have to try and picture in the role.


    Good to see love for Brosnan here! Here's the only one after Connery who has ably amalgamated charm and brutality. Lazenby came very close, and then Dalton and Craig are too one sided, as is Moore though on the opposite end of the spectrum.
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  • always shakenalways shaken LondonPosts: 6,287MI6 Agent
    I for one am a big Brozzer fan ,and love all his work from Bond to Mrs Doubtfire , he is also (according to my friend ) a very genuine lovely man,with no airs and graces of the massive star that he is .When he was Bond,i could not imagine any one else playing the part ,and when he wasn't offered the next shot ,like most fans ,I was gutted for him (who is this Craig fellow) but as with Dan ,I could not imagine now ,who could replace him ,as he has become such a big part of my wardrobe and personal style :D ,im sure when the great names in football hung up their boots from Charlton ,Best,Moore,Hughes,Shilton,ect ect ,we all thought what now ,whos going to replace Dalgliesh ?? .But as they say life goes on . And for my 2 pence ,no one here should be attacking a fellow member for his personal point of view on which actor they prefer .that's just not cricket :)
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  • HowardBHowardB USAPosts: 2,745MI6 Agent
    I liked Brosnan as Bond. The writing was not kind to him. My theory: Brosnan fit the Bond mold on a surface level so pefectly that it allowed EON to be lazy and play it safe and not take enough advantage of his other attributes : his ability to be dark, cruel and flawed which he has displayed in some of his post Bond performances. In many ways, PB's performances in "The Thomas Crown Affair", "After the Sunset", "Tailer of Panama" and the "November Man" were his best "Bond" performances because he had more to work with. Brosnan has much more range than EON ever realized.
  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,597MI6 Agent
    ToTheRight wrote:
    Jag wrote:
    ToTheRight wrote:

    I like hearing positive things said about Pierce. Some of my best cinema experiences were going to see the latest Brosnan Bond opening night....then seeing it again the next night. During the Brosnan era I could not imagine anyone else in the role. He owned it as far as I was concerned.


    That's me as well, and have to add the since Pierce left the role I appreciate his contribution even more.

    Same here. To be honest I'm hoping whoever eventually replaces Daniel has some of the qualities Brosnan had. Someone who just IS James Bond. Not some I have to try and picture in the role.

    This is what I want too. That's why Brosnan was so popular to be chosen as Bond, since he proved he was Bond with over four years of Remington Steele. Moore proved he was Bond on The Saint. I haven't seen any of the current top picks in anything that showed me they were Bond. But I'm just talking about what I've seen, and I haven't seen Aidan Turner in anything yet.
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  • HalfMonk HalfHitmanHalfMonk HalfHitman USAPosts: 2,338MI6 Agent
    Jai Courtney is an absolute black hole of charisma. Please no.
  • HowardBHowardB USAPosts: 2,745MI6 Agent
    edited April 2016
    Re: Aidan Turner. Have seen photos of him (definately needs a shave and the proper Bond haircut) but never in a film or TV show that I could judge his suitability. Even Craig had some Bond-like moments in the awful Lara Croft film and the much, much better Layer Cake.
    Jai Courtney is a slam dunk based upon looks, physical attributes, age and action cred (unlike some of the other names bandied about, Courtney would actually need to lose some muscular bulk for Bond). I have not seen him in a role that needed the chameleon like blend of charm, grace, coldness and cruelty that makes for a good Bond....but that's what screen tests are for. Dan Stevens (when he hits the gym as in "The Guest") might have all the tools to be an excellent contemporary Bond. Stevens brings to mind a much more classically handsome (but still rugged), less muscled up version of Craig who would be better served in the role if they would do away with dredging up any more back story other than possibly some connection to Bond's military past which could actually make more sense.
  • HalfMonk HalfHitmanHalfMonk HalfHitman USAPosts: 2,338MI6 Agent
    Jai Courtney's face looks like he's Tom Hardy's slow cousin.

    Eric-Jai-Courtney-has-some-serious-facial-jewelry.jpg
  • HowardBHowardB USAPosts: 2,745MI6 Agent
    Bad picture with the piercings and Pee Wee Herman haircut. Many better pictures of him on the 'net. The Tom Hardy reference is actually valid in many ways. Looking at his pictures, like Hardy, Courtney is one of those people who depending on hair style/length, facial hair and body weight can look completey different. Courtney is a big guy. At least 6'1" with a large frame that can hold a lot of muscle mass and has a tall appearence on screen (check him out on the Stars "Spartacus" series he looks huge and far from Bond-like). For Bond he'd actually have to slim down like he did for "Terminator: Genisys". Just another name I've thrown out there but I think he has potential.
  • Miles MesservyMiles Messervy Posts: 1,760MI6 Agent
    Yeah, Jai Courtney (like Hardy) is a non-starter for me. I want some elegance, not just a brute.
  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,597MI6 Agent
    sniperUK wrote:

    Perfect! He has my vote. If you told me he was Timothy Dalton's son I'd believe it.
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  • HowardBHowardB USAPosts: 2,745MI6 Agent
    edited April 2016
    Yeah, Jai Courtney (like Hardy) is a non-starter for me. I want some elegance, not just a brute.

    Remember what Cubby and Harry did with Connery. Sometimes it works out better to make the brute into a gentleman than trying to make weak into tough.

    Turner reminds me a bit of James Purefoy. Turner is not at the top of my list but not a disaster by any means. Trying to keep an open mind but Turner is just not doing it for me at this point. If Craig isn't coming back and I had to pick right now, other than Fassbender, Dan Stevens would be my choice.....but there could be someone out there completely off the radar screen who might be great.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,061MI6 Agent
    Barbel wrote:
    And a happy April 1st to you too, chrisisall! :)) :)) :))
    :))
    Thanks.
    I really DO want Turner to get Bond though.
    Badly.
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