After being so down on these Bond candidates, and making sarcastic remarks like " Kenny Rogers would make a better OO7 than these guys", I'm finally seeing some potential here. Turner in that period piece comes off as someone Fleming might have approved of. Good voice, and look about him, Dalton esque. Excellent haircut I might add, and he has screen presence. Tom Hiddleson I'm thinking could be cool as well. I'd really like Craig to do one more, then pass the torch on.
After being so down on these Bond candidates, Tom Hiddleson I'm thinking could be cool as well. I'd really like Craig to do one more than maybe either of those guys step in for Bond 26.
Edited your post here for the relevant part with regards to my reply - I'm just catching up watching the much lauded Night Manager with Tom Hiddleston. This guy was a big no no for me and the first episode falsely confirmed it. However I think I'm onto episode 4 now and his character has changed into a undercover agent and I strangely admit he has impressed me. Def smooth and believable with the ladies despite me originally thinking he looks a bit meh. He talks very well and looks pretty dapper dressed up. Think he would have to bulk up just a little bit but nothing too much. Not a high contender for me but can see the potential and poss a actor who could continue the current Bond style but with a more relaxed vibe
PS - enjoying the storyline on this drama, not sure how close it is to the original novel. Overall its something EON could learn from, Not so silly / sensible plot (arms dealing) / realism without world domination and the series has some nice tension. Confirms to me that EON's biggest problem is script writing regardless how much money they blow
PS - enjoying the storyline on this drama, not sure how close it is to the original novel. Overall its something EON could learn from, Not so silly / sensible plot (arms dealing) / realism without world domination and the series has some nice tension. Confirms to me that EON's biggest problem is script writing regardless how much money they blow
You're spot on there. The next story has to be believable. New actor and a new direction for the story. You can keep some of the Bond tropes, but make it more realistic.
PS - enjoying the storyline on this drama, not sure how close it is to the original novel. Overall its something EON could learn from, Not so silly / sensible plot (arms dealing) / realism without world domination and the series has some nice tension. Confirms to me that EON's biggest problem is script writing regardless how much money they blow
You're spot on there. The next story has to be believable. New actor and a new direction for the story. You can keep some of the Bond tropes, but make it more realistic.
For me, the realism have to come from great dialogue and great performances. I doesn't matter how close the story is to the real world, the film just has to make me think it's real. That's my biggest problem with CR. The atrocious dialogue throughout makes the realistic story difficult to believe. Well-written sci-fi is more believable than a down-to-earth plot with a poorly written script.
PS - enjoying the storyline on this drama, not sure how close it is to the original novel. Overall its something EON could learn from, Not so silly / sensible plot (arms dealing) / realism without world domination and the series has some nice tension. Confirms to me that EON's biggest problem is script writing regardless how much money they blow
You're spot on there. The next story has to be believable. New actor and a new direction for the story. You can keep some of the Bond tropes, but make it more realistic.
For me, the realism have to come from great dialogue and great performances. I doesn't matter how close the story is to the real world, the film just has to make me think it's real. That's my biggest problem with CR. The atrocious dialogue throughout makes the realistic story difficult to believe. Well-written sci-fi is more believable than a down-to-earth plot with a poorly written script.
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And Bond isn't Bond without a sense of bizarre. Goldfinger wants to break into Fort Knox, aided by a hat-throwing servant killer and a lesbian pilot called Pussy Galore. In the mean time, Bond plays golf with him, gets his opposition's escort painted gold and is nearly sliced in half by a laser. And GF is considered to be one of, if not the, best of James Bond films. Realistic, not quite, but you buy into it because everything else is brilliantly crafted, from the words, to the music, sets and performances.
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You're spot on there. The next story has to be believable. New actor and a new direction for the story. You can keep some of the Bond tropes, but make it more realistic.
For me, the realism have to come from great dialogue and great performances. I doesn't matter how close the story is to the real world, the film just has to make me think it's real. That's my biggest problem with CR. The atrocious dialogue throughout makes the realistic story difficult to believe. Well-written sci-fi is more believable than a down-to-earth plot with a poorly written script.
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And Bond isn't Bond without a sense of bizarre. Goldfinger wants to break into Fort Knox, aided by a hat-throwing servant killer and a lesbian pilot called Pussy Galore. In the mean time, Bond plays golf with him, gets his opposition's escort painted gold and is nearly sliced in half by a laser. And GF is considered to be one of, if not the, best of James Bond films. Realistic, not quite, but you buy into it because everything else is brilliantly crafted, from the words, to the music, sets and performances.
Well said. Goldfinger is a great example of completely believing the plot and situations because the writing is spot on, and Frobe, Sakata, and of course Sean are convincing. To be honest I find Moonraker more believable than, say Quantum of Solace or SkyFall.
This may be an unfair comment but I think the rise/appeal of Tom Hiddleston as the next James Bond is down to good fortune. The Night Manager is about a British soldier and it's set in a spy world and it just happens to have been broadcast a few months after SPECTRE's release. Hiddleston and his agent must be thanking the stars (orr BBC1's scheduler!) ) for this.
Imagine if Joe Shmoe from some soap opera quit his role, then got signed up to some high profile BBC or ITV spy drama and it was shown just after SPECTRE's theatrical release. I'm sure The Daily Mail would be running with:
Soap star rumored to be next Bond! Hot favourite!
This may be an unfair comment but I think the rise/appeal of Tom Hiddleston as the next James Bond is down to good fortune. The Night Manager is about a British soldier and it's set in a spy world and it just happens to have been broadcast a few months after SPECTRE's release. Hiddleston and his agent must be thanking the stars (orr BBC1's scheduler!) ) for this.
Imagine if Joe Shmoe from some soap opera quit his role, then got signed up to some high profile BBC or ITV spy drama and it was shown just after SPECTRE's theatrical release. I'm sure The Daily Mail would be running with:
Soap star rumored to be next Bond! Hot favourite!
That analogy is more appropriate for Aidan Turner's situation than Hiddleston, who is much more well known. In any event, they are my two favorites out of everyone who has been mentioned thus far.
The media and the whole "next bond" speculation has gotten rid of him, hasn't it?
The media have no effect on whether or not Craig returns. But in the public's mind, the media has certainly gotten rid of him. And Craig helped that happen.
So it seems there is word that the next Bond film is a back to the beginning reboot being developed under the working title of Bond 1 http://www.joblo.com/movie-news/taron-egerton-to-succeed-daniel-craig-in-james-bond-franchise-reboot-242
I'm hoping this is April 1St joke??
In other news seemingly babs broccoli is impressed with tom hiddleston make of these what you will?!?
A word on jai Courteney, I can't have a James bond whos been beaten to death by ethan hunt! ( in the movie Jack Reacher)
The media and the whole "next bond" speculation has gotten rid of him, hasn't it?
The media have no effect on whether or not Craig returns. But in the public's mind, the media has certainly gotten rid of him. And Craig helped that happen.
True. Just about everyone I've spoken to has pretty much written Craig off on the next one saying " I think he doesn't want to do it anymore, or "he's done". I've even had people tell me " You didn't hear? They got that guy from The Wire".
Until Craig officially steps down or we hear any official news regarding BOND 25, as far as I'm concerned it's all speculation.
Kind of a shame- it took 9 years and 4 films to finally get a Craig Bond film that structurally plays out like a traditional Bond movie. Now the public pretty much assume he's out.
The media and the whole "next bond" speculation has gotten rid of him, hasn't it?
The media have no effect on whether or not Craig returns. But in the public's mind, the media has certainly gotten rid of him. And Craig helped that happen.
True. Just about everyone I've spoken to has pretty much written Craig off on the next one saying " I think he doesn't want to do it anymore, or "he's done". I've even had people tell me " You didn't hear? They got that guy from The Wire".
Until Craig officially steps down or we hear any official news regarding BOND 25, as far as I'm concerned it's all speculation.
Kind of a shame- it took 9 years and 4 films to finally get a Craig Bond film that structurally plays out like a traditional Bond movie. Now the public pretty much assume he's out.
Even a year before Spectre came out, people were telling me about how Idris Elba was going to be starring in the next Bond film. They automatically assumed Craig's "trilogy" was it for him. People really fall for the rumours. I agree about it being a shame it took 4 films to get Craig into a more traditional Bond film. I didn't even start to accept him as Ian Fleming's character until Spectre.
The media have no effect on whether or not Craig returns. But in the public's mind, the media has certainly gotten rid of him. And Craig helped that happen.
True. Just about everyone I've spoken to has pretty much written Craig off on the next one saying " I think he doesn't want to do it anymore, or "he's done". I've even had people tell me " You didn't hear? They got that guy from The Wire".
Until Craig officially steps down or we hear any official news regarding BOND 25, as far as I'm concerned it's all speculation.
Kind of a shame- it took 9 years and 4 films to finally get a Craig Bond film that structurally plays out like a traditional Bond movie. Now the public pretty much assume he's out.
Even a year before Spectre came out, people were telling me about how Idris Elba was going to be starring in the next Bond film. They automatically assumed Craig's "trilogy" was it for him. People really fall for the rumours. I agree about it being a shame it took 4 films to get Craig into a more traditional Bond film. I didn't even start to accept him as Ian Fleming's character until Spectre.
I felt his 2nd film should have been when we'd get back to the tried and true formula. I remember after seeing Quantum my friends all wishing they should go back to the formula and make a BOND film. Tampering with little details; gunbarrel, Bond theme music, etc and doing so over and over again ...especially with these long gaps in between films make for a somewhat empty era.
I think the general public have been so accustomed to trilogies, story arcs, Dark Knight, and what not that the fact that the Bonds are a different entity is becoming forgotten. It's a pity the Craigs have fallen into that trap of following the current trends. Otherwise we might still have a Bond series that produces a new film every 2 years with a Bond actor who potentially might have 6 or 7 films under his belt. Each movie being distinctly different from the last, but still fitting in with the Bond formula. I hate to rant too much, but I do feel 10 years after Casino Royale- the re-boot was a mistake Cubby would probably have never made.
I hope whoever replaces Craig gets to star in a series of Bond films that go back to the classic style, and can reintroduce audiences to what was so great and timeless about the series.
I hope whoever replaces Craig gets to star in a series of Bond films that go back to the classic style, and can reintroduce audiences to what was so great and timeless about the series.
Its still prob a good direction for them to have gone in - its gives diversity to the Bond catalogue. Sucks if you dont like this era but in a few years time it might be all different again - thats what I love about the series in general!
I was in the same boat on Brozzers last few - had enough of it (Love the man himself though, just the films got worse).
I hate to rant too much, but I do feel 10 years after Casino Royale- the re-boot was a mistake Cubby would probably have never made.
Aside from the financial success, which speaks for itself, the general public has really embraced Craig as Bond. Even if the last few films were not to your taste, it's pretty hard to defend the view that it was a mistake. Craig has definitely left the series better than he found it.
Nobody really knows what's going on except EON, MGM, Craig and those truly in their trust. This is serious business for EON to ponder. Miles summed it up very well. Like him or not like him Craig was a huge success as Bond. When EON decided to move on without Brosnan, who had also resuscitated the francise and been very successful I am sure they had doubts but were probably pretty resolute in their belief that they needed to move in a different direction and had a very specific plan in mind that went beyond just re-casting but a re-boot. I just have a gut feeling that isn't the case this time. My theory (and if this is not in line with anyone else who posts here and may be really tuned in to what is actually going on I'm not looking to pick a fight or challenge what they know or believe to be true) is that neither Craig nor EON have made any etched in stone decision as to Bond 25. Questions to ponder: Is Craig only willing to come back for a price so high that EON is not comfortable with paying? Is Craig still not sure he wants to come back and EON making sure they cover their butts and have a viable replacement if he moves on? Does EON actually want to move on without Craig and a new Bond but can't decide whether or not to do a full re-boot or a more traditional "soft"re-boot? Could the level of re-boot be based upon who actually replaces Craig? Is this all a bunch of tab and internet fueled nonsense that EON doesn't mind because it gives them free publicity and keeps the Bond brand out there in the minds of the general public while they hammer out a deal with Craig and begin early prep for Bond 25? Buckle up Bond fans, it could be a bumpy ride.
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Nobody really knows what's going on except EON, MGM, Craig and those truly in their trust. This is serious business for EON to ponder. Miles summed it up very well. Like him or not like him Craig was a huge success as Bond. When EON decided to move on without Brosnan, who had also resuscitated the francise and been very successful I am sure they had doubts but were probably pretty resolute in their belief that they needed to move in a different direction and had a very specific plan in mind that went beyond just re-casting but a re-boot. I just have a gut feeling that isn't the case this time. My theory (and if this is not in line with anyone else who posts here and may be really tuned in to what is actually going on I'm not looking to pick a fight or challenge what they know or believe to be true) is that neither Craig nor EON have made any etched in stone decision as to Bond 25. Questions to ponder: Is Craig only willing to come back for a price so high that EON is not comfortable with paying? Is Craig still not sure he wants to come back and EON making sure they cover their butts and have a viable replacement if he moves on? Does EON actually want to move on without Craig and a new Bond but can't decide whether or not to do a full re-boot or a more traditional "soft"re-boot? Could the level of re-boot be based upon who actually replaces Craig? Is this all a bunch of tab and internet fueled nonsense that EON doesn't mind because it gives them free publicity and keeps the Bond brand out there in the minds of the general public while they hammer out a deal with Craig and begin early prep for Bond 25? Buckle up Bond fans, it could be a bumpy ride.
All good questions, well-put forth -{
Assuming that Craig is departing the franchise (which trusted sources here have asserted), I honestly don't have a gut feeling that any sort of 'reboot' is in the offing, save for a new face. There would be no reason to change out any of the supporting players, IMHO, now that they've spent literally a decade setting this table.
If our source is correct, Eon have known since last summer that Craig has done his last as Bond, and would certainly have been making (at least!) preliminary arrangements for a successor. Idris Elba's name came up in a hacked Amy Pascal Sony email; Pascal (as I understand it) is no longer in the position she held with that company...and in fact Sony's distribution deal is also up in the air, as they're between contract deals, so anyone sorely pining for Elba might want to begin to adjust their expectations, as I would hope they would cast an actor younger than his mid-forties next time round {:) Apart from that, or rather in addition to it, all speculation about the next James Bond is fair game, really.
The rumours about Waltz being amenable to returning as Blofeld put some spin on the fastball (to toss out a Yank baseball analogy on opening day B-) ), and I for one would like to see Craig and Waltz continue their dance ( ) in another SPECTRE-based story or two...I still feel that the more time passes without an announcement, the more likely Eon is searching their sofa cushions for coin to throw at Craigger. That said, if it is over with Craig, it's over, and Eon might as well keep Bond on the public's mind by making some sort of announcement to that effect sooner rather than later.
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I agree that a reboot at this time would be wrong. While the staff around 007 sometimes changed a bit when a new Bond startd out (and they all brought their own style to the series) there was no real reboot until Craig. Since the SPECTRE/Blofeld story has just started, it would be best to continue the series as if it was the same Bond, just younger and with darker hair
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Edited your post here for the relevant part with regards to my reply - I'm just catching up watching the much lauded Night Manager with Tom Hiddleston. This guy was a big no no for me and the first episode falsely confirmed it. However I think I'm onto episode 4 now and his character has changed into a undercover agent and I strangely admit he has impressed me. Def smooth and believable with the ladies despite me originally thinking he looks a bit meh. He talks very well and looks pretty dapper dressed up. Think he would have to bulk up just a little bit but nothing too much. Not a high contender for me but can see the potential and poss a actor who could continue the current Bond style but with a more relaxed vibe
PS - enjoying the storyline on this drama, not sure how close it is to the original novel. Overall its something EON could learn from, Not so silly / sensible plot (arms dealing) / realism without world domination and the series has some nice tension. Confirms to me that EON's biggest problem is script writing regardless how much money they blow
You're spot on there. The next story has to be believable. New actor and a new direction for the story. You can keep some of the Bond tropes, but make it more realistic.
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For me, the realism have to come from great dialogue and great performances. I doesn't matter how close the story is to the real world, the film just has to make me think it's real. That's my biggest problem with CR. The atrocious dialogue throughout makes the realistic story difficult to believe. Well-written sci-fi is more believable than a down-to-earth plot with a poorly written script.
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And Bond isn't Bond without a sense of bizarre. Goldfinger wants to break into Fort Knox, aided by a hat-throwing servant killer and a lesbian pilot called Pussy Galore. In the mean time, Bond plays golf with him, gets his opposition's escort painted gold and is nearly sliced in half by a laser. And GF is considered to be one of, if not the, best of James Bond films. Realistic, not quite, but you buy into it because everything else is brilliantly crafted, from the words, to the music, sets and performances.
Yes, well put Matt.
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1 - Moore, 2 - Dalton, 3 - Craig, 4 - Connery, 5 - Brosnan, 6 - Lazenby
Well said. Goldfinger is a great example of completely believing the plot and situations because the writing is spot on, and Frobe, Sakata, and of course Sean are convincing. To be honest I find Moonraker more believable than, say Quantum of Solace or SkyFall.
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Imagine if Joe Shmoe from some soap opera quit his role, then got signed up to some high profile BBC or ITV spy drama and it was shown just after SPECTRE's theatrical release. I'm sure The Daily Mail would be running with:
Soap star rumored to be next Bond! Hot favourite!
The media and the whole "next bond" speculation has gotten rid of him, hasn't it?
1 - Moore, 2 - Dalton, 3 - Craig, 4 - Connery, 5 - Brosnan, 6 - Lazenby
That analogy is more appropriate for Aidan Turner's situation than Hiddleston, who is much more well known. In any event, they are my two favorites out of everyone who has been mentioned thus far.
The media have no effect on whether or not Craig returns. But in the public's mind, the media has certainly gotten rid of him. And Craig helped that happen.
I'm hoping this is April 1St joke??
In other news seemingly babs broccoli is impressed with tom hiddleston make of these what you will?!?
A word on jai Courteney, I can't have a James bond whos been beaten to death by ethan hunt! ( in the movie Jack Reacher)
Avoid all the speculation - Grey Wilson has been the only official source so far and all he said was that they are brain storming
True. Just about everyone I've spoken to has pretty much written Craig off on the next one saying " I think he doesn't want to do it anymore, or "he's done". I've even had people tell me " You didn't hear? They got that guy from The Wire".
Until Craig officially steps down or we hear any official news regarding BOND 25, as far as I'm concerned it's all speculation.
Kind of a shame- it took 9 years and 4 films to finally get a Craig Bond film that structurally plays out like a traditional Bond movie. Now the public pretty much assume he's out.
Even a year before Spectre came out, people were telling me about how Idris Elba was going to be starring in the next Bond film. They automatically assumed Craig's "trilogy" was it for him. People really fall for the rumours. I agree about it being a shame it took 4 films to get Craig into a more traditional Bond film. I didn't even start to accept him as Ian Fleming's character until Spectre.
{[] Agreed!
I felt his 2nd film should have been when we'd get back to the tried and true formula. I remember after seeing Quantum my friends all wishing they should go back to the formula and make a BOND film. Tampering with little details; gunbarrel, Bond theme music, etc and doing so over and over again ...especially with these long gaps in between films make for a somewhat empty era.
I think the general public have been so accustomed to trilogies, story arcs, Dark Knight, and what not that the fact that the Bonds are a different entity is becoming forgotten. It's a pity the Craigs have fallen into that trap of following the current trends. Otherwise we might still have a Bond series that produces a new film every 2 years with a Bond actor who potentially might have 6 or 7 films under his belt. Each movie being distinctly different from the last, but still fitting in with the Bond formula. I hate to rant too much, but I do feel 10 years after Casino Royale- the re-boot was a mistake Cubby would probably have never made.
I hope whoever replaces Craig gets to star in a series of Bond films that go back to the classic style, and can reintroduce audiences to what was so great and timeless about the series.
Its still prob a good direction for them to have gone in - its gives diversity to the Bond catalogue. Sucks if you dont like this era but in a few years time it might be all different again - thats what I love about the series in general!
I was in the same boat on Brozzers last few - had enough of it (Love the man himself though, just the films got worse).
Aside from the financial success, which speaks for itself, the general public has really embraced Craig as Bond. Even if the last few films were not to your taste, it's pretty hard to defend the view that it was a mistake. Craig has definitely left the series better than he found it.
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All good questions, well-put forth -{
Assuming that Craig is departing the franchise (which trusted sources here have asserted), I honestly don't have a gut feeling that any sort of 'reboot' is in the offing, save for a new face. There would be no reason to change out any of the supporting players, IMHO, now that they've spent literally a decade setting this table.
If our source is correct, Eon have known since last summer that Craig has done his last as Bond, and would certainly have been making (at least!) preliminary arrangements for a successor. Idris Elba's name came up in a hacked Amy Pascal Sony email; Pascal (as I understand it) is no longer in the position she held with that company...and in fact Sony's distribution deal is also up in the air, as they're between contract deals, so anyone sorely pining for Elba might want to begin to adjust their expectations, as I would hope they would cast an actor younger than his mid-forties next time round {:) Apart from that, or rather in addition to it, all speculation about the next James Bond is fair game, really.
The rumours about Waltz being amenable to returning as Blofeld put some spin on the fastball (to toss out a Yank baseball analogy on opening day B-) ), and I for one would like to see Craig and Waltz continue their dance (
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM