Craig is back: Discuss Bond 25 here

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  • LicencetochatLicencetochat Posts: 71MI6 Agent
    For the record, I have no concerns about Craig’s age. My concern is about his appearance. Roger in AVTAK has been invoked, but Connery in DAF is the better comparison. Perhaps I’m just shallow, but to me Bond is an aspirational character. The broken-down 007 in Skyfall was a bit of a wink and a nod because, aside from a bad haircut and needing a shave for a third of the film, Craig still looked the part. That’s the difference between Craig then and Craig now.

    On the bright side, we might finally be rid of the too-tight suits!

    At this stage i don't think Craig will start to have a little exercise before his christmas dinner. I guess his priority is with his family around that time. But after that i agree that he needs to have at least one jog ride before the bond film start filming.
  • Gassy ManGassy Man USAPosts: 2,972MI6 Agent
    Don‘t know where that‘s coming from. Looking at pics of him during the early to mid 2000s, his hair looks in the movie as it did in real life 

    You don’t think if he does wear something there’s a chance he wears it in real life, too?

    I actually think he doesn‘t wear anything at all :v
    He doesn't. Craig and I are almost exactly the same age and we both have high foreheads and a full head of fine, straight hair. Such always looks thin even though the density is the same or more than people with thicker or curlier strands. What he needs to do is comb it with more lift -- more like in Casino Royale -- rather than a flat, Hitler-style side part that looks like someone cut around a bowl on his head and pushed everything over.
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 36,339Chief of Staff
    The discussion was about Brosnan, though.
  • Gassy ManGassy Man USAPosts: 2,972MI6 Agent
    Barbel wrote:
    The discussion was about Brosnan, though.
    Ah, I came to it in the middle. Yeah, he could use some help to look like his old self.
  • Gala BrandGala Brand Posts: 1,172MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    It's not official, that's true. But the story comes from a journalist who writes about film in Variety, one of the most prestigious movie trade magazines out there, so the story can be called a believable rumour. Well worth talking about, because as a fan forum we haven't and can't restrict ourselves to only talking about official news.

    The location news is official, because EON has applied to film Bond25 in Norway.

    I would call it an almost quasi-credible, semi-believable rumor, which should be enough for a a couple of dozen posts on AJB.
  • HowardBHowardB USAPosts: 2,744MI6 Agent
    It seems like a lot of folks are jumping to a lot of conclusions as to whether Craig is working out based upon a photo from the set of Knives Out where his face appears a bit round and less chiseled. I don't know when filming on Knives Out will conclude....or at least Craig's scenes. Filming began around October 31st so I am guessing things should be wrapping up by the end of December if not a bit earlier. I am guessing that Craig will have a good two months until Bond 25 begins shooting to finish getting himself into shape. With proper diet and exercise it's not unrealistic to think that Craig could drop 15 pounds in eight weeks. We don't need Craig running around with no shirt looking ripped at 50. He just needs to look fit and formidable in his wardrobe. Make up and lighting will take care of the rest. Hell, they used CGI to make Brad Pitt look convincingly 30 in Allied.
  • SomeoneSomeone Posts: 1,544MI6 Agent
    Gala Brand wrote:
    EON hasn't officially confirmed Sandgren as cinematographer, and it seems up in the air at the moment, based only on an unsourced Tweet. It may end up being Sandgren, but at this point it barely rises to the level of a rumor.

    I searched 007.com and @007 and neither show any official announcement specifically for DPs. They only get mentioned in the start of filming press conference press releases. Based on past DP rumours, I'd be surprised if it wasn't Sandgren.

    http://www.007.com/skyfall-announced-in-london/

    http://www.007.com/bond-returns-in-spectre/
  • SomeoneSomeone Posts: 1,544MI6 Agent
    As for this obsession with DC's look in the Knives Out pics. It's MAKE-UP!

    They can even de-age people now. See Michael Douglas in Ant-Man.

    I am not worried about DC's appearance at all. He'll look good, even if it is 'work' he has had done.

    Remember what DC looked like at the BAFTAs? Cosmetic 'surgery' is not only surgery anymore. They have what's called hyaluronic acid dermal fillers.

    Tom Cruise had a similar puffy, shiny facial look at another BAFTA event.

    I think DC has had some subtle hair follicle transplantation to maintain the hairline also.
  • HowardBHowardB USAPosts: 2,744MI6 Agent
    Someone wrote:
    As for this obsession with DC's look in the Knives Out pics. It's MAKE-UP!

    They can even de-age people now. See Michael Douglas in Ant-Man.

    I am not worried about DC's appearance at all. He'll look good, even if it is 'work' he has had done.

    Remember what DC looked like at the BAFTAs? Cosmetic 'surgery' is not only surgery anymore. They have what's called hyaluronic acid dermal fillers.

    Tom Cruise had a similar puffy, shiny facial look at another BAFTA event.

    I think DC has had some subtle hair follicle transplantation to maintain the hairline also.

    I'm with Someone on this. I really don't care how they manage to get DC to look good, as long as it looks natural. It's the movies folks, it's all about the illusion.
  • SomeoneSomeone Posts: 1,544MI6 Agent
    BOOM!

    Casting news.

    It happened a lot earlier with Spectre and Skyfall, but now we know Ralph Fiennes is back as M. According to an Associated Press report: https://www.boston25news.com/news/ralph-fiennes-sophie-okonedo-spar-in-antony-and-cleopatra/883706674
    Next year he'll return to the cloak-and-dagger world of James Bond for a third outing as spymaster M.

    Fiennes is not about to let any 007 secrets slip. He says Bond filming - delayed by the departure of director Danny Boyle and his replacement by Cary Fukunaga - is supposed to start in spring. He insists he has yet to see a script.

    The spring reference is a bit odd, as filming is supposed to start on 4 March and I wouldn't call that spring. Maybe he is being asked to film in April?

    This follows news that Linus Sandgren is DP and Norway is a hot contender for a location.

    And tomorrow, 7 December, Grammy nominations! Bond theme tune singers have been multiple Grammy award winners for a while now. Adele and Sam Smith both being multiple Grammy award winners and Smith has been tipped to be nominated for the 2019 awards.
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 21,797MI6 Agent
    Earlier today I was thinking: now we probably know the DoP and one country where they want to film, I guess casting news will be next. I had no idea it would be so soon. All in one week! Fiennes was of cource obvious, but it's nice to know he'll be back. I think we'll get good rumours, if not confirmation, of more cast members and locations in December and January. I'm looking forward to it. :007)
  • Arbogast 777Arbogast 777 Minneapolis Posts: 595MI6 Agent
    Just remember not to get too married to early location rumors - Skyfall was shooting in India until the last minute when it had to change to Turkey, the Spectre funeral location changed, and part of the Rome chase was supposed to shoot in front of the Quattro Fontane but the govt nixed that...
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 21,797MI6 Agent
    I know. The appliction to Norwegian authorities is best seen as a declaration of intent to shoot here, but several things can make them shoot elsewhere. Perhaps the authorities for example won't give permission to film a high speed car chase on the Atlantic Sea Road, or they can't find exactly the right location or the cost of filming gets too high even with the expenses refund. It's even possible they won't get the refund or get a too small part of it, but I highly doubt it. The largest and best known productions are usually picked.
  • Arbogast 777Arbogast 777 Minneapolis Posts: 595MI6 Agent
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 21,797MI6 Agent
    So Baz Bamigoye was told this by Fukunaga himself? That's pretty much gospel then. I wonder if this means the plot will go in a OHMSS/YOLT direction? A part of me wants her to survive, but at the same time I want The Garden of Death story. I guess we can have both if it's done right.
  • Arbogast 777Arbogast 777 Minneapolis Posts: 595MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    So Baz Bamigoye was told this by Fukunaga himself? That's pretty much gospel then.

    Absolutely. This might be our first bit of solid news.
  • ToTheRightToTheRight Posts: 314MI6 Agent
    I personally don't really want to know what happened to Dr Swann or any main Bond girl after the film ends. I far prefer the stand alone tradition.
    Although I do like Lea and her character grew on me over the past couple viewings.

    But damn I'm getting a bad feeling about this already.
  • HowardBHowardB USAPosts: 2,744MI6 Agent
    Nice to hear some unofficial news. I wonder if EON is starting to allow some information to leak out to start creating some early "buzz".
    The probable return of Lea Seydoux is really big news. There's so much unused YOLT material from the novel that it would constitute an entirely different film.....and of course, The Garden of Death would be a great title. I could see the pre-title sequence being Bond's wedding followed by an assasination attempt on Bond by Hinx (fitted with some bizarre electronic neck brace) that results in the murder of Madeleine.
  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,596MI6 Agent
    I don't know if I'm glad about Seydoux's return, but it would have been unexpected for her not to return. Characters don't just disappear in Craig's Bond film. She has to die in this film. I don't think she's going to die immediately at the start. Her death will have more impact if it's a third or more into the film, and because it's a new director he's not going to care about how she was established in Spectre; he will want to establish her in his own way to set up her death. Most people won't have watched Spectre immediately before Bond 25, and if Madeleine dies too soon people aren't going to care. I gather that most people here wouldn't care either.
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  • lotusguy2001lotusguy2001 Posts: 132MI6 Agent
    I’m pretty happy because at least we know that the movies are connected and Craig’s tenure should be one story. I think that’s great and if the movies continue on, they can explore getting back to a loosely connected universe or more stand alone adventures in the future.
  • SomeoneSomeone Posts: 1,544MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    So Baz Bamigoye was told this by Fukunaga himself? That's pretty much gospel then. I wonder if this means the plot will go in a OHMSS/YOLT direction? A part of me wants her to survive, but at the same time I want The Garden of Death story. I guess we can have both if it's done right.

    It can't be anything else can it?

    Now we know that she knew all along, she could not keep a straight face when asked if she would be in Bond25 when doing the publicity for Spectre, indicating she would be in Bond25.
    Watch this at 4min 50 seconds https://youtu.be/l3KAPj5pWbc
    Watch this at 3min 10 seconds https://youtu.be/5CmenJ8acg8

    Cinemablend said it was rumoured Lea Seydoux would be back 10 months ago...
    https://www.cinemablend.com/news/2314502/james-bond-25-may-have-found-its-director

    One wonders if these Monica Belluci comments have weight now too?
    https://variety.com/2017/film/news/will-monica-bellucci-return-bond-girl-bond-25-1202609803/

    For me, however, the only news I want to hear is, that David Arnold is back doing the score. For me, soundtracks are 50% of the film and if he's on-board, Bond25 is already good.
  • zaphod99zaphod99 Posts: 1,415MI6 Agent

    Delighted 're Fiennes and Wishaw. Luke warm about Harris (a minority view I know) Decidedly jaded about Lea. Found her flat dull and uninteresting. It depends how it's done. I really fear another 'this time it's personal ' shtick. If she dies in the PTS it might not be so bad.
    It seems that we now have a degree of confirmation that its the Purvis and Wade script. Also no reason to be doing cartwheels I'm afraid.

    At least there is some news, even if it is a mixed bag.
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  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 21,797MI6 Agent
    I wonder if it means anything that Jeffrey Wright isn't mentioned?

    What's more important is the fact that Christoph Waltz isn't mentioned. If he is returning it would be natural to make it oublic at the same time as Lea Seydoux's return is made public. It's not a guarantee he won't be in Bond25, but his absence is interesting.
  • SomeoneSomeone Posts: 1,544MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    I wonder if it means anything that Jeffrey Wright isn't mentioned?

    What's more important is the fact that Christoph Waltz isn't mentioned. If he is returning it would be natural to make it oublic at the same time as Lea Seydoux's return is made public. It's not a guarantee he won't be in Bond25, but his absence is interesting.

    I think confirming the scooby gang would be no surprise to anyone.

    Lea's return is big news. I think for fans we know what that means.

    I don't see any need to announce Waltz. Perhaps it's Mark Strong as Blofeld in this one?

    Remember, Waltz did say that there is a "tradition" regarding the villain.
    https://www.facebook.com/talkymovie/videos/vb.266976880351330/490859154629767/

    As for Leiter. With Fukunaga's comments about Bond's arc since Casino I think it is more than likely that Jeffrey Wright will be back, but in what capacity? He wasn't in Casino and Quantum much. A few scenes. Don't get your hopes up.

    For the people saying Swann will die in the PTS. It seems too obvious to me. I don't think Fukunaga would want to do that. They took an entire film to kill off M, and Vesper. I think they know for Bond's loved one, you need that screen time to give the death weight and meaning.
  • AugustWalkerAugustWalker Posts: 880MI6 Agent
    Certainly not too keen on Lea Seydoux‘s return.
    Whilst I really don‘t mind her as a Bond-girl, I‘m afraid of them going the personal vendetta/ rouge-Rambo-Bond-path again which has been done ever since Casino Royale....
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  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 21,797MI6 Agent
    edited December 2018
    I agree killing Madeleine early in the film would be very obvious. It's also a problem that he's already had a love of his life killed and then gone on a revenge spree. But if they remain together in the whole film it will force Bond to be faithful too. This isn't 1969 and he can't bed half a dozen women while remaining in love with her. Perhaps she breaks up with him? Perhaps they should get back together again at the end? That would open up for Bond womanizing in act two.

    It's a possibility Blofeld manages to send out a message from prison that he wants Madeleine killed. Partly because she's Mr. White's daughter, but mostly to get revenge on Bond. The move could then be about keeping Madeline alive, not revenging her. There would have to be some other plot line too, one with a grander goal.

    Here is a third idea: SPECTRE kidnaps Madeline (in the PTS where she is on holiday in Norway with Bond). They send a message to Bond that she will be killed if he doesn't deliver them Blofeld. A very reluctant Bond breaks Blofeld out of jail. Does Madeline survive? I'd probably say yes, but she doesn't have to. She might break up With him at this point because of what he did for her. Then Bond sets out to kill Blofeld and destroy SPECTRE, partly because MI6 now can't trust him. They might even hunt him because they don't know why he freed Blofeld. Bond finds Blofeld in a castle in Japan and we basically get the end of YOLT.
    It's a crazy plot, but it could work and it would be different.
  • StiffassBritStiffassBrit United KingdomPosts: 219MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    I agree killing Madeleine early in the film would be very obvious. It's also a problem that he's already had a love of his life killed and then gone on a revenge spree. But if they remain together in the whole film it will force Bond to be faithful too. This isn't 1969 and he can't bed half a dozen women while remaining in love with her. Perhaps she breaks up with him? Perhaps they should get back together again at the end? That would open up for Bond womanizing in act two.

    It's a possibility Blofeld manages to send out a message from prison that he wants Madeleine killed. Partly because she's Mr. White's daughter, but mostly to get revenge on Bond. The move could then be about keeping Madeline alive, not revenging her. There would have to be some other plot line too, one with a grander goal.

    Here is a third idea: SPECTRE kidnaps Madeline (in the PTS where she is on holiday in Norway with Bond). They send a message to Bond that she will be killed if he doesn't deliver them Blofeld. A very reluctant Bond breaks Blofeld out of jail. Does Madeline survive? I'd probably say yes, but she doesn't have to. She might break up With him at this point because of what he did for her. Then Bond sets out to kill Blofeld and destroy SPECTRE, partly because MI6 now can't trust him. They might even hunt him because they don't know why he freed Blofeld. Bond finds Blofeld in a castle in Japan and we basically get the end of YOLT.
    It's a crazy plot, but it could work and it would be different.


    I like it. Certainly more plausible storyline than Spectre. {[]
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  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 21,797MI6 Agent
    edited December 2018
    Thank you. I think it has merits. Perhaps Blofeld has surgery between Bond getting him out of jail and him turning up as Shatterhand in Japan, so he could be recast. But what would be the point if Bond kills him in the castle? I also got images of Bond and Madeline waking up in bed ina cabin somewhere around here. Then they go skiing and SPECTRE turns up on snowmobiles and a helicopter ...
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 21,797MI6 Agent
    edited December 2018
    92% of Esquire readers are happy Lea Seydoux is returning to Bond25: :D

    https://www.esquire.com/uk/latest-news/a25433130/lea-seydoux-ben-whishaw-ralph-fiennes-and-the-gang-will-return-for-bond-25/


    In other news, Ben Whishaw will be on the Graham Norton Show on Friday 21st of December.


    Ralph Fiennes:
    https://washingtonpost.com/entertainment/celebrities/ralph-fiennes-sophie-okonedo-spar-in-antony-and-cleopatra/2018/12/05/fdaf6004-f8a6-11e8-8642-c9718a256cbd_story.html

    Next year he’ll return to the cloak-and-dagger world of James Bond for a third outing as spymaster M.

    Fiennes is not about to let any 007 secrets slip. He says Bond filming — delayed by the departure of director Danny Boyle and his replacement by Cary Fukunaga — is supposed to start in spring. He insists he has yet to see a script.
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