Craig is back: Discuss Bond 25 here

12357276

Comments

  • caractacus pottscaractacus potts Orbital communicator, level 10Posts: 2,285MI6 Agent
    edited August 2017
    Chriscoop wrote:
    Back in 2014 Brosnan said how he thought he was never good enough as James Bond, in later interviews he talks about how he wished his Bond films had gone grittier and darker and was disappointed when the scripts arrived and it was " the same outlandish stuff" he goes on " but you just accept it and go along for the ride "
    this makes complete sense to me, Brosnan's Bond may have walked through recycled Moore-type plots, but the way he played the character is closer to Dalton. I never see his Bond smiling much except in the grimmest way. He seems to lead a dark life, some bad things happen and he has to deal with them. He also argues with M a lot more than his predecessors did. Connery and Moore both played it like their job was a permanent holiday, whereas Brosnan does suggest its the damn dirty business its supposed to be. Just too bad they didn't give him more scripts appropriate to that sort of characterization.
    Chriscoop wrote:
    Die Another Day budget 140 million usd, casino royale budget 150 million usd
    yes but it was allocated differently. $140million spent on CGI space-lasers vs $150million spent on Masterpiece Theatre style reverence to the source material.
  • welshboy78welshboy78 Posts: 9,855MI6 Agent
    Really enjoyed November Man despite it being a flop. Showed Brozzer really could play nasty
    Instagram - bondclothes007
  • ChriscoopChriscoop Belize Posts: 10,435MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:

    I'm sure he means the wrist-slashing, etc. Not everyone can be Roger Moore with the press {:)

    But Craig never claimed to be misquoted on that did he? What did you mean, JBJ007?

    People claim that Craig got misquoted when he did not (imho) but the same people misuse Brosnan's words to claim Brosnan was not a good Bond or his films hadn't been any good. It's double standard imho. But I won't say anything more on the matter now. Not in this thread anyway.

    Still looking for a proper thread. I get across as aggressive sometimes because I am passionate about Bond, I am harmless as a lamb though :))

    Craig was repeatedly quoted out of context which is a misquote had the question been would you ever want make another bond film then we would have got a different answer, but he was asked if he wanted to make another now!
    I havnt taken Brosnans quotes out of context, I've read and watched rhe entire original interviews.
    It was either that.....or the priesthood
  • ChriscoopChriscoop Belize Posts: 10,435MI6 Agent
    welshboy78 wrote:
    Really enjoyed November Man despite it being a flop. Showed Brozzer really could play nasty
    +1
    It was either that.....or the priesthood
  • welshboy78welshboy78 Posts: 9,855MI6 Agent
    Chriscoop wrote:
    Number24 wrote:

    But Craig never claimed to be misquoted on that did he? What did you mean, JBJ007?

    People claim that Craig got misquoted when he did not (imho) but the same people misuse Brosnan's words to claim Brosnan was not a good Bond or his films hadn't been any good. It's double standard imho. But I won't say anything more on the matter now. Not in this thread anyway.

    Still looking for a proper thread. I get across as aggressive sometimes because I am passionate about Bond, I am harmless as a lamb though :))

    Craig was repeatedly quoted out of context which is a misquote had the question been would you ever want make another bond film then we would have got a different answer, but he was asked if he wanted to make another now!
    I havnt taken Brosnans quotes out of context, I've read and watched rhe entire original interviews.

    Indeed - the tabloids took out the "Now??" at the beginning of his reply. Changed the context completely - though still a blunt and daft reply as DC acknowledged the other day.
    Instagram - bondclothes007
  • ChriscoopChriscoop Belize Posts: 10,435MI6 Agent
    Chriscoop wrote:
    Back in 2014 Brosnan said how he thought he was never good enough as James Bond, in later interviews he talks about how he wished his Bond films had gone grittier and darker and was disappointed when the scripts arrived and it was " the same outlandish stuff" he goes on " but you just accept it and go along for the ride "
    this makes complete sense to me, Brosnan's Bond may have walked through recycled Moore-type plots, but the way he played the character is closer to Dalton. I never see his Bond smiling much except in the grimmest way. He seems to lead a dark life, some bad things happen and he has to deal with them. He also argues with M a lot more than his predecessors did. Connery and Moore both played it like their job was a permanent holiday, whereas Brosnan does suggest its the damn dirty business its supposed to be. Just too bad they didn't give him more scripts appropriate to that sort of characterization.
    Chriscoop wrote:
    Die Another Day budget 140 million usd, casino royale budget 150 million usd
    yes but it was allocated differently. $140million spent on CGI space-lasers vs $150million spent on Masterpiece Theatre style reverence to the source material.

    My point is in response to bjb006 saying Dc's films enjoy a bigger budget.
    It was either that.....or the priesthood
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 SwitzerlandPosts: 870MI6 Agent
    DC's films have considerably bigger budgets. Even CR because it was way simpler to shoot than DAD.
    Dalton Rulez™
  • ChriscoopChriscoop Belize Posts: 10,435MI6 Agent
    DC's films have considerably bigger budgets. Even CR because it was way simpler to shoot than DAD.
    10 million four years later is not considerably bigger in movie making budgets, it's neither Brosnans or Craig's responsibility to allocate budgets. as we've come to see bigger budgets do not make better films
    It was either that.....or the priesthood
  • welshboy78welshboy78 Posts: 9,855MI6 Agent
    CR is his best and hardly a larger % budget especially considering inflation
    Instagram - bondclothes007
  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,524MI6 Agent
    Chriscoop wrote:
    Die Another Day budget 140 million usd, casino royale budget 150 million usd
    yes but it was allocated differently. $140million spent on CGI space-lasers vs $150million spent on Masterpiece Theatre style reverence to the source material.

    DAD had some fantastic sets in Iceland, though CR took advantage of beautiful location shooting in the Bahamas and in Venice. But the heart of CR was filmed in a cheap, uninspired casino set that looks like one of Donald Trump's hotels. They could have done much better.
    Visit my blog, Bond Suits
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 17,751MI6 Agent
    edited August 2017
    Number24 wrote:

    I'm sure he means the wrist-slashing, etc. Not everyone can be Roger Moore with the press {:)

    But Craig never claimed to be misquoted on that did he? What did you mean, JBJ007?

    People claim that Craig got misquoted when he did not (imho) but the same people misuse Brosnan's words to claim Brosnan was not a good Bond or his films hadn't been any good. It's double standard imho. But I won't say anything more on the matter now. Not in this thread anyway.

    Still looking for a proper thread. I get across as aggressive sometimes because I am passionate about Bond, I am harmless as a lamb though :))
    I can't remember anyone claiming Craig was misquoted on that comment.
  • ChriscoopChriscoop Belize Posts: 10,435MI6 Agent
    Matt S wrote:
    Chriscoop wrote:
    Die Another Day budget 140 million usd, casino royale budget 150 million usd
    yes but it was allocated differently. $140million spent on CGI space-lasers vs $150million spent on Masterpiece Theatre style reverence to the source material.

    DAD had some fantastic sets in Iceland, though CR took advantage of beautiful location shooting in the Bahamas and in Venice. But the heart of CR was filmed in a cheap, uninspired casino set that looks like one of Donald Trump's hotels. They could have done much better.

    Would that be the hotel splendide trump?
    It was either that.....or the priesthood
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 SwitzerlandPosts: 870MI6 Agent
    I find consolation with the knowledge that in 10 years the Craig era will not be seen as superior to the Brosnan era. It's just different.
    SF and SP will age terribly due to the colour filters and other stuff. In the end CR will remain as the one classic Craig film that can be rewatched endlessly. That is my firm believe. QOS will/has the same fate as DAD. So both actors had their low point.
    It can even be argued that Craig has two as QOS and SP got about the same audience reaction while Brosnan's four films were all universally welcomed with praise at the time!

    You'll see.

    Bond 25 could change how the Craig era will be viewed upon in the future, to the worse or to the better.

    Connery, Moore, Brosnan and Craig will always be viewed as different but all equally loved and viewed upon in general.
    Lazenby has the one film that many regard to be the best in the series or one of the best.
    Dalton, unfortunately is the only Bond actor, whose tenure never resonated with the audience in general and still doesn't. He has his avid followers though nowadays which is great, I am one of those, even obsessed with him a bit :))
    Dalton Rulez™
  • walther p99walther p99 NJPosts: 3,394MI6 Agent
    I find consolation with the knowledge that in 10 years the Craig era will not be seen as superior to the Brosnan era. It's just different.
    SF and SP will age terribly due to the colour filters and other stuff. In the end CR will remain as the one classic Craig film that can be rewatched endlessly. That is my firm believe. QOS will/has the same fate as DAD. So both actors had their low point.
    It can even be argued that Craig has two as QOS and SP got about the same audience reaction while Brosnan's four films were all universally welcomed with praise at the time!

    You'll see.

    Bond 25 could change how the Craig era will be viewed upon in the future, to the worse or to the better.

    Connery, Moore, Brosnan and Craig will always be viewed as different but all equally loved and viewed upon in general.
    Lazenby has the one film that many regard to be the best in the series or one of the best.
    Dalton, unfortunately is the only Bond actor, whose tenure never resonated with the audience in general and still doesn't. He has his avid followers though nowadays which is great, I am one of those, even obsessed with him a bit :))
    How will SF age terribly?
  • Miles MesservyMiles Messervy Posts: 1,566MI6 Agent
    How does any of this constitute discussion of Bond 25? Stop feeding the troll or, if you must, go do battle in an appropriate thread. -{
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,370MI6 Agent
    Matt S wrote:
    But the heart of CR was filmed in a cheap, uninspired casino set that looks like one of Donald Trump's hotels. They could have done much better.

    +1! {[] {[]

    And the bodyworld set was similarly uninspired and boring
    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 SwitzerlandPosts: 870MI6 Agent
    How does any of this constitute discussion of Bond 25? Stop feeding the troll or, if you must, go do battle in an appropriate thread. -{


    Thanks for using the troll word. It's common practice to call people that who criticise Craig.
    Dalton Rulez™
  • superdaddysuperdaddy englandPosts: 865MI6 Agent
    Back on topic of Bond 25, would love Katherine Winnick of Vikings to be the Bond girl very age appropriate for a 50 year old Bond and IMO one of the sexist ladies on the planet :x ;% :x
  • Miles MesservyMiles Messervy Posts: 1,566MI6 Agent
    How does any of this constitute discussion of Bond 25? Stop feeding the troll or, if you must, go do battle in an appropriate thread. -{


    Thanks for using the troll word. It's common practice to call people that who criticise Craig.

    I have been critical of Craig and EON at times. A person only crosses over into troll territory once it's off topic, non-constructive, and intended mainly to provoke a response from others.
  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,524MI6 Agent
    Higgins wrote:
    Matt S wrote:
    But the heart of CR was filmed in a cheap, uninspired casino set that looks like one of Donald Trump's hotels. They could have done much better.

    +1! {[] {[]

    And the bodyworld set was similarly uninspired and boring

    I don't have a problem with the Body Worlds set since it's not even in the film for two minutes! But it's either poorly shot or shot in a way to hide that it's not that impressive on camera.
    Visit my blog, Bond Suits
  • The Bond ExperienceThe Bond Experience Newtown, PAPosts: 5,472Quartermasters
    Winner of the most depressing thread goes to....
  • ChriscoopChriscoop Belize Posts: 10,435MI6 Agent
    The Mantis wrote:
    Winner of the most depressing thread goes to....
    Pretty accurate synopsis, who'd have thought after being so pumped about dc confirming his return this would happen?
    It was either that.....or the priesthood
  • LoeffelholzLoeffelholz The United States, With LovePosts: 8,854Quartermasters
    Chriscoop wrote:
    The Mantis wrote:
    Winner of the most depressing thread goes to....
    Pretty accurate synopsis, who'd have thought after being so pumped about dc confirming his return this would happen?

    I'm reminded of the parable of the 99 year-old Japanese soldier who's been alone on a desert island since 1945, and is still fighting the war.
    "Blood & Ashes"...AVAILABLE on Amazon.co.uk: Get 'Jaded': Blood & Ashes: The Debut Oscar Jade Thriller
    "I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
    "Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 17,751MI6 Agent
    I think he (actually I think there were three different examples of this) was found and returned to Japan in the 1970's, but I see your point.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,697MI6 Agent
    Why did they send Jason to Japan ?
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • walther p99walther p99 NJPosts: 3,394MI6 Agent
    The Mantis wrote:
    Winner of the most depressing thread goes to....
    Yeah as excited as most people are about Craig's return there's a lot who are disappointed. I suppose Bond actor fatigue sets in eventually no matter how beloved you are in the role. This year it was made pretty obvious there's a growing itch for a new actor in the role. I'm just glad we have Craig for one final film before we begin a new era.
  • HowardBHowardB USAPosts: 2,567MI6 Agent
    I find consolation with the knowledge that in 10 years the Craig era will not be seen as superior to the Brosnan era. It's just different.
    SF and SP will age terribly due to the colour filters and other stuff. In the end CR will remain as the one classic Craig film that can be rewatched endlessly. That is my firm believe. QOS will/has the same fate as DAD. So both actors had their low point.
    It can even be argued that Craig has two as QOS and SP got about the same audience reaction while Brosnan's four films were all universally welcomed with praise at the time!

    You'll see.

    Bond 25 could change how the Craig era will be viewed upon in the future, to the worse or to the better.

    Connery, Moore, Brosnan and Craig will always be viewed as different but all equally loved and viewed upon in general.
    Lazenby has the one film that many regard to be the best in the series or one of the best.
    Dalton, unfortunately is the only Bond actor, whose tenure never resonated with the audience in general and still doesn't. He has his avid followers though nowadays which is great, I am one of those, even obsessed with him a bit :))

    Getting a bit angry and bitter. I do appreciate your passion. -{
  • superdaddysuperdaddy englandPosts: 865MI6 Agent
    Wondering what do you guys hope 25 is, a follow up to SP or a standalone adventure with. No reference to previace film? Personally I would like a follow up with our hero finally killing Blofeld and destroying Spectre! Would love to know what you guys think and get this thread back on topic and upbeat!!
  • ChriscoopChriscoop Belize Posts: 10,435MI6 Agent
    Definitely a stand alone sanctioned mission, given to bond by M. I think Blofeld should be kept out of the way for the time being, maybe brought back after dc. It would also be good to see bond using some guile as well as guns.
    It was either that.....or the priesthood
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,697MI6 Agent
    Would love old Blofeld to return , infact I'd love Hinx to return too :)) for a big finish and
    send off for DC -{
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
Sign In or Register to comment.