I think the parkour chase from CR was the last truly memorable action scene in a Bond film. Hopefully B25 comes up with something as exciting and innovative as that scene was.
I think the parkour chase from CR was the last truly memorable action scene in a Bond film. Hopefully B25 comes up with something as exciting and innovative as that scene was.
I would beg to differ. The airport scene and the stairwell fight were both very good in CR. The PTS in QOS was good. The PTS in Skyfall was good.
The parkour chase was sublime.
And I'm not a big fan of action scenes. Most go on for too long.
I think the parkour chase from CR was the last truly memorable action scene in a Bond film. Hopefully B25 comes up with something as exciting and innovative as that scene was.
I would beg to differ. The airport scene and the stairwell fight were both very good in CR. The PTS in QOS was good. The PTS in Skyfall was good.
The parkour chase was sublime.
And I'm not a big fan of action scenes. Most go on for too long.
I didn't say those other scenes were bad, certainly not. The parkour chase is just more often then not the single action scene from a Bond film in the last decade that's continually mentioned and praised outside of the Bond community. Its an example of an exciting and innovative scene that stuck with audiences far after the credits rolled. I also love the opening car chase from QOS but most non Bond fans forget that movie even exists.
I do like the Parkour sequence. The airport sequence in CR is the classic example of an action sequence that goes on for too long, and it really drags down the film. It's expensive filler. The QOS action sequences also just feel like filler. The recent Bond action sequences mostly feel like that, with no suspense, no "wow" moments and simply no fun.
For Bond films, I much prefer smaller, stylish scenes over the big action set pieces. I’m thinking of the CR stairwell fight, QoS’s Opera scene and the scene at the hotel where Bond escapes, Skyfall’s silhouette fight with Patrice, etc. That’s what Bond is to me. Scenes like the CR airport chase, the QoS boat chase, and the Spectre plane chase all bore me.
For Bond films, I much prefer smaller, stylish scenes over the big action set pieces. I’m thinking of the CR stairwell fight, QoS’s Opera scene and the scene at the hotel where Bond escapes, Skyfall’s silhouette fight with Patrice, etc. That’s what Bond is to me. Scenes like the CR airport chase, the QoS boat chase, and the Spectre plane chase all bore me.
I agree with this 1000%. The QoS opera scene is actually one of my all time favorites in a Bond film. The way it was shot is brilliant.
For Bond films, I much prefer smaller, stylish scenes over the big action set pieces. I’m thinking of the CR stairwell fight, QoS’s Opera scene and the scene at the hotel where Bond escapes, Skyfall’s silhouette fight with Patrice, etc. That’s what Bond is to me. Scenes like the CR airport chase, the QoS boat chase, and the Spectre plane chase all bore me.
Yep, I agree with this too, although I can't say I've been bored during the big set pieces... I could do without them though; style over scale any-day.
I would have preferred the parkour chase scene straight after the gun barrel (which of course wasn't at the start of CR). I didn't like Bond fighting in a toilet. Didn't feel, well... I guess "classy" enough. Can you imagine Terence Young and Cubby Broccoli saying "hey's let introduce our new Bond in a toilet."
8-)
Given the new interest in the Mission Impossible franchise it's not a good idea for EON to undersell the big action set pieces. Big may not be better but fans expect some big action scenes. Smaller action pieces should be for smaller budget action films!
I would have preferred the parkour chase scene straight after the gun barrel (which of course wasn't at the start of CR). I didn't like Bond fighting in a toilet. Didn't feel, well... I guess "classy" enough. Can you imagine Terence Young and Cubby Broccoli saying "hey's let introduce our new Bond in a toilet."
8-)
Given the new interest in the Mission Impossible franchise it's not a good idea for EON to undersell the big action set pieces. Big may not be better but fans expect some big action scenes. Smaller action pieces should be for smaller budget action films!
I liked the fight in the men's room. It was pretty exciting and a quite brutal exchange. I liked how that scene was cut back and forth with the low key scene in the office. A fitting way to introduce the "rebooted" Bond as a very capable and lethal " Double O" who is just as able to throw hands as he is dispatching adversaries with a gun.
I liked the fight in the men's room. It was pretty exciting and a quite brutal exchange. I liked how that scene was cut back and forth with the low key scene in the office. A fitting way to introduce the "rebooted" Bond as a very capable and lethal " Double O" who is just as able to throw hands as he is dispatching adversaries with a gun.
Indeed... I though it was a great start to DC's tenure. The fights in CR (and QOS) felt truly dangerous and very painful, and it showed on the character afterwards. It sadly seems to have become a little cartoony again, with not a drop of blood in sight. I'd like to see a bit more jeopardy and realism return with DB at the helm.
Given the new interest in the Mission Impossible franchise it's not a good idea for EON to undersell the big action set pieces. Big may not be better but fans expect some big action scenes. Smaller action pieces should be for smaller budget action films!
Do you think audiences see the Bourne films as smaller budget action films? They certainly don’t have any spectacular, over the top action scenes, yet are very popular. Small scale can be very tense and entertaining...
For Bond films, I much prefer smaller, stylish scenes over the big action set pieces. I’m thinking of the CR stairwell fight, QoS’s Opera scene and the scene at the hotel where Bond escapes, Skyfall’s silhouette fight with Patrice, etc. That’s what Bond is to me. Scenes like the CR airport chase, the QoS boat chase, and the Spectre plane chase all bore me.
What "made" the CR airport chase was the ending. I thought that was very clever.
Given the new interest in the Mission Impossible franchise it's not a good idea for EON to undersell the big action set pieces. Big may not be better but fans expect some big action scenes. Smaller action pieces should be for smaller budget action films!
Do you think audiences see the Bourne films as smaller budget action films? They certainly don’t have any spectacular, over the top action scenes, yet are very popular. Small scale can be very tense and entertaining...
That's true. I really like the Bourne films. I think that they are well done and to be honest they sparked my interest in spy / intrigue type movies.
A bit off topic but Enemy of the State was a decent one too.
For Bond films, I much prefer smaller, stylish scenes over the big action set pieces. I’m thinking of the CR stairwell fight, QoS’s Opera scene and the scene at the hotel where Bond escapes, Skyfall’s silhouette fight with Patrice, etc. That’s what Bond is to me. Scenes like the CR airport chase, the QoS boat chase, and the Spectre plane chase all bore me.
What "made" the CR airport chase was the ending. I thought that was very clever.
It's clever indeed, but by the time I get there I've been bored out of my mind for 6 minutes that I don't even care.
IMHO, the worst action scene of the Craig era was the Spectre plane sequence (followed closely by the Rome car chase where we had to cut to shots of Moneypenny rummaging through her fridge). What exactly was Bond attempting to do in that scene? I mean he’s firing shots at the car then rams the back of it with a plane - was he trying to kill Madeline or save her!?
The best action scenes IMO have nothing to do with scale or pyrotechnics.....they have to have intensity, suspense, and advance or be integral to the story. IMO, the first Die Hard film is one of the best action films ever. Does it have some great stunts, absolutely but nothing on the level of MI: Fallout. What it does have is suspense, a hero who is believable, and tough as nails but also human, interesting and physically vulnerable and that was able to be achieved without the lead actor doing every crazy stunt himself.
IMHO, the worst action scene of the Craig era was the Spectre plane sequence (followed closely by the Rome car chase where we had to cut to shots of Moneypenny rummaging through her fridge). What exactly was Bond attempting to do in that scene? I mean he’s firing shots at the car then rams the back of it with a plane - was he trying to kill Madeline or save her!?
I absolutely agree with you. Most Bond action scenes I more or less just "go with it". But the lack of logic in that scene I just cant get past. Apparently his endgame was to save Madeline which he somehow managed but he nearly kills her multiple times in the process and then has no choice but to plow through a thankfully unoccupied house or garage in a village. The scene doesn't make Bond look heroic or clever. Instead he looks like a dumb*** who just got incredibly lucky. That's why its one of the low points in the series for me.
(followed closely by the Rome car chase where we had to cut to shots of Moneypenny rummaging through her fridge)
This was the biggest disappointment for me... I hate the conversation with Moneypenny and the silly bit of comedy they interjected, as it removed any excitement. The QoS PTS chase is one of the best in any film, as it was brutal and visceral, Spectres was a joke.
I do love a good car chase, so I hope 25 makes-up for 24's dire attempt... the cars were beautiful though B-)
Given the new interest in the Mission Impossible franchise it's not a good idea for EON to undersell the big action set pieces. Big may not be better but fans expect some big action scenes. Smaller action pieces should be for smaller budget action films!
which fans?
fans of Mission Impossible have their own movies.
fans of James Bond expect plot, dialog, and atmosphere. And this one would like a return to Barry style music and Adam style set design.
why should EON be making movies for fans of some other movie series?
who's going to make films for fans of James Bond if EON is catering to some other audience?
(I already know: The Incredibles and Austin Powers have scratched my itch better than any EON film in decades)
I got nothing against clever stunt-work. I love all that old Buster Keaton stuff, but those were pretty simple films in terms of plot dialog atmosphere etc, and we're already losing much of the experience of Bond films that this particular fan expects. Lets prioritise the genuine Bond experience first and let Tom Cruise specialise in what he's good at.
The films these days do need good stunts and action sequences but bigger is often not better and throwing money at it, having bigger explosions and set pieces often just disguises the lack of originality.
Is MI a better film than MI:6 Yes
Is The Bourne Identity a better film than Jason Bourne Yes
Is FRWL a better film than SP Yes
Good action sequences and original stunts are a key ingredient but Story, Script, Soundtrack are more important than OTT multi million dollar over long action sequences inserted for the sake of it.
For Bond films, I much prefer smaller, stylish scenes over the big action set pieces. I’m thinking of the CR stairwell fight, QoS’s Opera scene and the scene at the hotel where Bond escapes, Skyfall’s silhouette fight with Patrice, etc. That’s what Bond is to me. Scenes like the CR airport chase, the QoS boat chase, and the Spectre plane chase all bore me.
What "made" the CR airport chase was the ending. I thought that was very clever.
It's clever indeed, but by the time I get there I've been bored out of my mind for 6 minutes that I don't even care.
The whole scene from where Bond jumps on the gasoline truck to the guy blowing himself up is less than five minutes long.
An action scene is like any other scene. It should advance the plot, reveal character, and develop the theme.
Most action scenes (barely) manage to do one.
This scene does all three. It advances the plot, and it shows how cold-blooded Bond can be (Bond grinning as the guy inadvertently blows himself up is the most cold-blooded Bond has been since professor Dent). Finally, it develops the theme of the "maturation of Bond."
I thought I should sum up what we know about Bond25 so far:
Is there anything to add?
Only that we don't know which of the other regular cast members are returning, bar DC, which is abnormal at this point in the process.
Beyond the ludicrous Reddit rumours, we've had no credible casting rumours so far, but August has seen credible candidates surface in the past, e.g. Lea Seydoux, which makes me hopeful for more news later this month.
I do wonder if that Spain filming was actually for an advert, as we now know that one of the Bond25 location managers specialises in Spanish locations, and London. And if there has been clandestine filming I wonder what has really been going on over the last three years.
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Son of a navy commander and he's an ex hockey player himself. Experienced actor.
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Aleksey Serebryakov (1964) Russia
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I would beg to differ. The airport scene and the stairwell fight were both very good in CR. The PTS in QOS was good. The PTS in Skyfall was good.
The parkour chase was sublime.
And I'm not a big fan of action scenes. Most go on for too long.
The Russian Sub captain in The hunt for red October
For Bond films, I much prefer smaller, stylish scenes over the big action set pieces. I’m thinking of the CR stairwell fight, QoS’s Opera scene and the scene at the hotel where Bond escapes, Skyfall’s silhouette fight with Patrice, etc. That’s what Bond is to me. Scenes like the CR airport chase, the QoS boat chase, and the Spectre plane chase all bore me.
I agree with this 1000%. The QoS opera scene is actually one of my all time favorites in a Bond film. The way it was shot is brilliant.
Stellan Skarsgård?
Yep, I agree with this too, although I can't say I've been bored during the big set pieces... I could do without them though; style over scale any-day.
8-)
Given the new interest in the Mission Impossible franchise it's not a good idea for EON to undersell the big action set pieces. Big may not be better but fans expect some big action scenes. Smaller action pieces should be for smaller budget action films!
I liked the fight in the men's room. It was pretty exciting and a quite brutal exchange. I liked how that scene was cut back and forth with the low key scene in the office. A fitting way to introduce the "rebooted" Bond as a very capable and lethal " Double O" who is just as able to throw hands as he is dispatching adversaries with a gun.
Indeed... I though it was a great start to DC's tenure. The fights in CR (and QOS) felt truly dangerous and very painful, and it showed on the character afterwards. It sadly seems to have become a little cartoony again, with not a drop of blood in sight. I'd like to see a bit more jeopardy and realism return with DB at the helm.
Do you think audiences see the Bourne films as smaller budget action films? They certainly don’t have any spectacular, over the top action scenes, yet are very popular. Small scale can be very tense and entertaining...
What "made" the CR airport chase was the ending. I thought that was very clever.
That's true. I really like the Bourne films. I think that they are well done and to be honest they sparked my interest in spy / intrigue type movies.
A bit off topic but Enemy of the State was a decent one too.
It's clever indeed, but by the time I get there I've been bored out of my mind for 6 minutes that I don't even care.
This was the biggest disappointment for me... I hate the conversation with Moneypenny and the silly bit of comedy they interjected, as it removed any excitement. The QoS PTS chase is one of the best in any film, as it was brutal and visceral, Spectres was a joke.
I do love a good car chase, so I hope 25 makes-up for 24's dire attempt... the cars were beautiful though B-)
fans of Mission Impossible have their own movies.
fans of James Bond expect plot, dialog, and atmosphere. And this one would like a return to Barry style music and Adam style set design.
why should EON be making movies for fans of some other movie series?
who's going to make films for fans of James Bond if EON is catering to some other audience?
(I already know: The Incredibles and Austin Powers have scratched my itch better than any EON film in decades)
I got nothing against clever stunt-work. I love all that old Buster Keaton stuff, but those were pretty simple films in terms of plot dialog atmosphere etc, and we're already losing much of the experience of Bond films that this particular fan expects. Lets prioritise the genuine Bond experience first and let Tom Cruise specialise in what he's good at.
Is MI a better film than MI:6 Yes
Is The Bourne Identity a better film than Jason Bourne Yes
Is FRWL a better film than SP Yes
Good action sequences and original stunts are a key ingredient but Story, Script, Soundtrack are more important than OTT multi million dollar over long action sequences inserted for the sake of it.
The whole scene from where Bond jumps on the gasoline truck to the guy blowing himself up is less than five minutes long.
An action scene is like any other scene. It should advance the plot, reveal character, and develop the theme.
Most action scenes (barely) manage to do one.
This scene does all three. It advances the plot, and it shows how cold-blooded Bond can be (Bond grinning as the guy inadvertently blows himself up is the most cold-blooded Bond has been since professor Dent). Finally, it develops the theme of the "maturation of Bond."
Plus it's very clever.
- Premiere date 25 October 2019
- director Danny Boyle
- Screenwiter John Hodge
and some crew like stunt manager and art direction.
There will be a Russian villan and "Bond girl" who will do some action.
A Maori henchman.
What do we think we know:
Mark Strong will be in it
The Centre Point building in London will be a location, possibly a parachute landing on the roof.
Dubrovnik, Croatia may be a location
Is there anything to add?
Only that we don't know which of the other regular cast members are returning, bar DC, which is abnormal at this point in the process.
Beyond the ludicrous Reddit rumours, we've had no credible casting rumours so far, but August has seen credible candidates surface in the past, e.g. Lea Seydoux, which makes me hopeful for more news later this month.
I do wonder if that Spain filming was actually for an advert, as we now know that one of the Bond25 location managers specialises in Spanish locations, and London. And if there has been clandestine filming I wonder what has really been going on over the last three years.