There's nothing on the Google about The Forgiven since early May and nothing on Hallelujah since late April. Neither film has a Wikipedia page or an IMDB page. Neither film appears on Fiennes's Wikipedia page. The Forgiven doesn't appear on Strong's Wikipedia page.
Just saying.
Oooohhh there’s always one...
They in fact do have IMDB pages, if you subscribe to IMDB Pro to be able to read all the details.
Here is Hallelujahs (it even lists his character’s name):
They both also have Rotten Tomatoes pages as well. I’ll save you reading the links.
It’s very true that nothing can be found on Google since May, but I’m not sure how much you expect to find on smallish films that don’t start shooting until next year. These aren’t Marvel films. Besides, not finding any news since May also means that news of the project’s cancellation is also not there...
Those pages show nothing is happening on either film. The Forgiven is "in development," which is not a good place for a film to be its not called "development hell" for nothing).
So I wouldn't get your hopes of ever seeing either film ever being released.
I'm guessing that Fiennes's agent fed those tips to the media to try and wring few bucks more out of EON.
What updates do you guys expect? The movies have a cast, writers, directors... I’m not sure what more can be added 6 months before shooting???
Exactly. We had extremely long stretches without any news on Bond 25, and people were freaking out that it wasn't going to happen. We got official news, and I thought the ridiculous conspiracy theories would stop. It's like people have forgotten how Bond films are made.
We had extremely long stretches without any news on Bond 25, and people were freaking out that it wasn't going to happen. We got official news, and I thought the ridiculous conspiracy theories would stop. It's like people have forgotten how Bond films are made.
If you look at the timing of announcements and news and leaks, both unofficial and official for publicity purposes, for the last few Bond films - where it is relatively easy to find with Google - the sequence of events and what news we have at what stage now differs markedly from what went before; irrespective of the four-year gap. For example, the supporting cast of M etc were all confirmed well in advance. The silence on even their involvement in Bond25 is bizarre.
I don't believe this Sony hack reaction theory because, a, Spectre's announcements, news and leaks broadly followed Skyfall's pattern and, b, the script leak did not arrive until mid-December 2014, after filming had started. And the script leak was a hack of Sony. Not an inside EON job.
I'd be interested in alternative interpretations of the odd events over the last couple of years.
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Exactly. We had extremely long stretches without any news on Bond 25, and people were freaking out that it wasn't going to happen. We got official news, and I thought the ridiculous conspiracy theories would stop. It's like people have forgotten how Bond films are made.
In that case we were referring to updates in the pages for The Forgiven and Hallelujah, not Bond 25...
All will be revealed in the December press conference. Not that long to wait. I'm sure a few leaks will appear before then... Angelina Jolie as M, Donald Trump as the main villain - stuff like that.
It really is all about Eon keeping a much tighter control on information this time...simple as that.
perhaps with the risk of leaks, their new strategy is to flood the internet with disinformation/FakeNews. So when something real does leak we wont even notice it we're so busy arguing about Idris Elba and the precedent set by the Thirteenth Doctor.
That's what a real spy agency would do these days, isn't it?
Exactly. We had extremely long stretches without any news on Bond 25, and people were freaking out that it wasn't going to happen. We got official news, and I thought the ridiculous conspiracy theories would stop. It's like people have forgotten how Bond films are made.
In that case we were referring to updates in the pages for The Forgiven and Hallelujah, not Bond 25...
I was referring to the conspiracy theories that have been coming up here all around.
I'd be interested in alternative interpretations of the odd events over the last couple of years.
It really is all about Eon keeping a much tighter control on information this time...simple as that.
This seems fairly obvious to me. And I applaud it.
So far they have proven that a lack of information is no reason to panic. They have announced a timeline for the film, and a timeline that is no different than how other Bonds have filmed.
I'd be interested in alternative interpretations of the odd events over the last couple of years.
It really is all about Eon keeping a much tighter control on information this time...simple as that.
That is the simple explanation, and explains the silence from Naomi, Ben and Ralph. The tweets/Instagram from Mark Strong's trainer, David Arnold and Jeffrey Wright can be put down to mischief, but, it does not explain...
Denis Gassner's October 2017 comment; "I’m about to do my fourth James Bond film." But, now we know he isn't doing it. If there has always been a plan for a 2019 filming schedule, why make such an early comment and why not Dennis now?
Christoph Walz's comment, also in October 2017, about why he was not returning as Blofeld, because of a "tradition," which must be that Blofeld is played by a different actor in each film.
Or this mysterious reaction from Benedict Cumberbatch when asked about Bond in April this year. https://youtu.be/yi0OARkg0L4
Then in May we get official confirmation from the EON announcement about Boyle. And filming starts in December, despite the three month delay in pre-production.
It's a remarkably fast scripting and approval process considering everything we have heard before about scripts;
Quantum's Purvis & Wade script being rejected in 2007 and the Haggis/Forster script, writer's strike fail.
Someone, I don’t agree with your opinions regarding B25, but I really have to commend you on the amount of research you put in to each post. That being said, I do think this is relevant...
Sometimes the simple and logical answers are the right ones, no use overthinking it
Sir MilesThe Wrong Side Of The WardrobePosts: 26,573Chief of Staff
I'd be interested in alternative interpretations of the odd events over the last couple of years.
It really is all about Eon keeping a much tighter control on information this time...simple as that.
That is the simple explanation, and explains the silence from Naomi, Ben and Ralph. The tweets/Instagram from Mark Strong's trainer, David Arnold and Jeffrey Wright can be put down to mischief, but, it does not explain...
Denis Gassner's October 2017 comment; "I’m about to do my fourth James Bond film." But, now we know he isn't doing it. If there has always been a plan for a 2019 filming schedule, why make such an early comment and why not Dennis now?
Christoph Walz's comment, also in October 2017, about why he was not returning as Blofeld, because of a "tradition," which must be that Blofeld is played by a different actor in each film.
Or this mysterious reaction from Benedict Cumberbatch when asked about Bond in April this year. https://youtu.be/yi0OARkg0L4
Then in May we get official confirmation from the EON announcement about Boyle. And filming starts in December, despite the three month delay in pre-production.
It's a remarkably fast scripting and approval process considering everything we have heard before about scripts;
Quantum's Purvis & Wade script being rejected in 2007 and the Haggis/Forster script, writer's strike fail.
their sources will include EON. For revealing directors and script writers, the giving of information, including when unattributed, to the Daily Mail's Baz Bamigboye or Deadline's Mike Fleming Jr, or anyone else, will still have had the approval of the production company and/or studio. Or if Danny Boyle decides to confirm something on a red carpet, it is because it is already cleared with his customers, EON/MGM/Universal. I would include actors' tweets hinting or simply announcing their participation too.
Maybe there's not much information being leaked because there's not much information to leak. Hodge and Boyle sold an idea in March. The script may be getting finalized now. Boyle may just be getting around to pre-production on Bond 25 now. I think you'll start seeing more information come out in about six to eight weeks.
Maybe there's not much information being leaked because there's not much information to leak. Hodge and Boyle sold an idea in March. The script may be getting finalized now. Boyle may just be getting around to pre-production on Bond 25 now. I think you'll start seeing more information come out in about six to eight weeks.
Ockham's razor and all that. The simplest explanation is probably closest to the truth (whatever that means in a post truth world)
Of that of which we cannot speak we must pass over in silence- Ludwig Wittgenstein.
Sir MilesThe Wrong Side Of The WardrobePosts: 26,573Chief of Staff
their sources will include EON. For revealing directors and script writers, the giving of information, including when unattributed, to the Daily Mail's Baz Bamigboye or Deadline's Mike Fleming Jr, or anyone else, will still have had the approval of the production company and/or studio. Or if Danny Boyle decides to confirm something on a red carpet, it is because it is already cleared with his customers, EON/MGM/Universal. I would include actors' tweets hinting or simply announcing their participation too.
What about the stories they print - and give no source - that are false?
I’ve told you what the truth is...believe or don’t...I genuinely don’t care -{
We've been 'round and 'round with Someones theories and gathering of "evidence" previously (if my memory isn't too foggy) regarding Boyle actually being the director of Bond 25 and other issues regarding the release date/production timetable so strap yourself in for another ride. ) It's all good fun actually.
What does happen in the movie industry is people want to publicise a project to attract talent and funding and you see many stories about this or that film with a major talent circling it and then nothing is heard of that film ever again - but that isn't because the story was wrong.
That's because they ultimately couldn't match a director with a talent and the money; as each film is a one-off investment project, not a production line toy (OK except Jerry Bruckheimer movies...).
I would separate the trade press (and almost all other media) from the UK tabloids who have been in the fake news game since at least Jack the Ripper and now with the need for page views the likes of the Daily Express repeat any old Reddit BS. But, Baz at the Daily Mail is reliable on Bond.
p.s. my old theory about Bond25 stands as Boyle won't be Bond25 director, he's Bond26 director.
Yes, I do remember now, you thought that Boyle appearing to be the director of Bond 25 was some sort of feint or misdirection from EON to throw us off the scent of who the real director was or something to that effect. Do you still believe that Boyle will not be the director of Bond 25?
Yes, I do remember now, you thought that Boyle appearing to be the director of Bond 25 was some sort of feint or misdirection from EON to throw us off the scent of who the real director was or something to that effect. Do you still believe that Boyle will not be the director of Bond 25?
He's the director of Bond26 or maybe it will be called Bond25 part two.
And someone else will direct Bond25 part one, you think?
Sam Mendes. Officially he's only been an executive producer on TV shows for the last few years. As I understand TV/movie job titles exec producers find the money, it's not a full time job.
And someone else will direct Bond25 part one, you think?
Sam Mendes. Officially he's only been an executive producer on TV shows for the last few years. As I understand TV/movie job titles exec producers find the money, it's not a full time job.
Why, if a TV series is filming in 2017, would Bond25 interfere with it?
So, your hypothesis is that Sam Mendes is shooting Bond 25 part one using a script from Purvis and Wade and Danny Boyle will shoot Bond 25 part two with a script by John Hodge? Just making sure I'm following along properly. An interesting theory for sure!
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Oooohhh there’s always one...
They in fact do have IMDB pages, if you subscribe to IMDB Pro to be able to read all the details.
Here is Hallelujahs (it even lists his character’s name):
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8342896/?mode=desktop&ref_=m_ft_dsk
Here is The Forgiven’s (I can tell you it lists Mark Strong and Rebecca Hall among the cast)
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3696180/?mode=desktop&ref_=m_ft_dsk
They both also have Rotten Tomatoes pages as well. I’ll save you reading the links.
It’s very true that nothing can be found on Google since May, but I’m not sure how much you expect to find on smallish films that don’t start shooting until next year. These aren’t Marvel films. Besides, not finding any news since May also means that news of the project’s cancellation is also not there...
Just saying.
So I wouldn't get your hopes of ever seeing either film ever being released.
I'm guessing that Fiennes's agent fed those tips to the media to try and wring few bucks more out of EON.
Just saying.
Exactly. We had extremely long stretches without any news on Bond 25, and people were freaking out that it wasn't going to happen. We got official news, and I thought the ridiculous conspiracy theories would stop. It's like people have forgotten how Bond films are made.
If you look at the timing of announcements and news and leaks, both unofficial and official for publicity purposes, for the last few Bond films - where it is relatively easy to find with Google - the sequence of events and what news we have at what stage now differs markedly from what went before; irrespective of the four-year gap. For example, the supporting cast of M etc were all confirmed well in advance. The silence on even their involvement in Bond25 is bizarre.
I don't believe this Sony hack reaction theory because, a, Spectre's announcements, news and leaks broadly followed Skyfall's pattern and, b, the script leak did not arrive until mid-December 2014, after filming had started. And the script leak was a hack of Sony. Not an inside EON job.
I'd be interested in alternative interpretations of the odd events over the last couple of years.
It really is all about Eon keeping a much tighter control on information this time...simple as that.
In that case we were referring to updates in the pages for The Forgiven and Hallelujah, not Bond 25...
That's what a real spy agency would do these days, isn't it?
I was referring to the conspiracy theories that have been coming up here all around.
This seems fairly obvious to me. And I applaud it.
So far they have proven that a lack of information is no reason to panic. They have announced a timeline for the film, and a timeline that is no different than how other Bonds have filmed.
That is the simple explanation, and explains the silence from Naomi, Ben and Ralph. The tweets/Instagram from Mark Strong's trainer, David Arnold and Jeffrey Wright can be put down to mischief, but, it does not explain...
Denis Gassner's October 2017 comment; "I’m about to do my fourth James Bond film." But, now we know he isn't doing it. If there has always been a plan for a 2019 filming schedule, why make such an early comment and why not Dennis now?
Christoph Walz's comment, also in October 2017, about why he was not returning as Blofeld, because of a "tradition," which must be that Blofeld is played by a different actor in each film.
Or this mysterious reaction from Benedict Cumberbatch when asked about Bond in April this year. https://youtu.be/yi0OARkg0L4
Finally, it does not explain the incredibly swift decision on the John Hodge's script, first reported by Deadline on 21 Feb. this year.
https://deadline.com/2018/02/james-bond-danny-boyle-john-hodge-daniel-craig-bond-25-queen-elizabeth-ii-mgm-trainspotting-1202298157/
The February story says: "Hodge won’t be done [with the script] for a couple of months"
Boyle as Bond25 director was scooped by Variety just the day before, though media had speculated on Boyle before.
https://variety.com/2018/film/news/james-bond-25-danny-boyle-director-1202705314/
It's a Justin Kroll story. He tweeted about ongoing casting auditions the other day and so seems to be a favoured journo by some body on the inside. https://twitter.com/krolljvar/status/1027994009505910785
This follow-up March Deadline story confirms the script timeline, with an April completion of what would be the first draft.
https://deadline.com/2018/03/james-bond-movie-danny-boyle-script-details-john-hodge-1202338588/
And then there was news about a pre-production shift to May from March.
https://www.mi6-hq.com/news/tipster-says-bond-25-pre-production-shunted-due-to-star-wars-reshoots-171205
Then in May we get official confirmation from the EON announcement about Boyle. And filming starts in December, despite the three month delay in pre-production.
It's a remarkably fast scripting and approval process considering everything we have heard before about scripts;
Quantum's Purvis & Wade script being rejected in 2007 and the Haggis/Forster script, writer's strike fail.
Skyfall's long gestation from 2010 Purvis & Wade script (https://www.mi6-hq.com/sections/articles/bond_23_report_apr10.php3) to Peter Morgan's effort (http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/features/70761-exclusive-hereafter-screenwriter-peter-morgan) to a Patrick Marber rumour (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film/jamesbond/7575642/Sam-Mendes-in-James-Bond-mystery.html) and finally the January 2011 official announcement that confirmed John Logan's involvement.
Spectre's troubled script that went from African warlord to London showdown to stop a computer being turned on...
Sometimes the simple and logical answers are the right ones, no use overthinking it
How many of those are actual ‘Eon leaks’ ?
Answer = none.
‘Nuff said -{
I think you'll find that when trade press, like Variety and Deadline, print stories that are true and give no source, like this one;
https://deadline.com/2018/02/james-bond-danny-boyle-john-hodge-daniel-craig-bond-25-queen-elizabeth-ii-mgm-trainspotting-1202298157/
their sources will include EON. For revealing directors and script writers, the giving of information, including when unattributed, to the Daily Mail's Baz Bamigboye or Deadline's Mike Fleming Jr, or anyone else, will still have had the approval of the production company and/or studio. Or if Danny Boyle decides to confirm something on a red carpet, it is because it is already cleared with his customers, EON/MGM/Universal. I would include actors' tweets hinting or simply announcing their participation too.
Ockham's razor and all that. The simplest explanation is probably closest to the truth (whatever that means in a post truth world)
What about the stories they print - and give no source - that are false?
I’ve told you what the truth is...believe or don’t...I genuinely don’t care -{
What does happen in the movie industry is people want to publicise a project to attract talent and funding and you see many stories about this or that film with a major talent circling it and then nothing is heard of that film ever again - but that isn't because the story was wrong.
That's because they ultimately couldn't match a director with a talent and the money; as each film is a one-off investment project, not a production line toy (OK except Jerry Bruckheimer movies...).
I would separate the trade press (and almost all other media) from the UK tabloids who have been in the fake news game since at least Jack the Ripper and now with the need for page views the likes of the Daily Express repeat any old Reddit BS. But, Baz at the Daily Mail is reliable on Bond.
p.s. my old theory about Bond25 stands as Boyle won't be Bond25 director, he's Bond26 director.
He's the director of Bond26 or maybe it will be called Bond25 part two.
Believe is a strong word, hypothesise is better.
Sam Mendes. Officially he's only been an executive producer on TV shows for the last few years. As I understand TV/movie job titles exec producers find the money, it's not a full time job.
And here's something odd. In this February 2016 report DC was supposed to be doing the Purity TV show and it would have filmed in 2017.
https://deadline.com/2016/08/daniel-craigs-james-bond-showtime-eries-purity-1201802430/
But, by August 2016, filming Purity was put back till after Bond25 in 2019.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/daniel-craig-drama-purity-wont-air-showtime-bond-1027904
Why, if a TV series is filming in 2017, would Bond25 interfere with it?
So, your hypothesis is that Sam Mendes is shooting Bond 25 part one using a script from Purvis and Wade and Danny Boyle will shoot Bond 25 part two with a script by John Hodge? Just making sure I'm following along properly. An interesting theory for sure!