ENDING of NO TIME TO DIE - Opinions and theories - SPOILER



  • ichaiceichaice LondonPosts: 512MI6 Agent

    I think CR was just so damn good and was of course a Fleming story that they had no idea what to do next so just knocked out stories which had a link to it.

    I remember in interviews them saying they threw everything at NTTD… sometimes less is Moore… see what I did there 😉

    Yes. Considerably!
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  • Fulci2020Fulci2020 Posts: 21MI6 Agent
    edited June 10

    my theory is this for the ending and next Bond26:

    When Satin meets Madeleine, shortly before they both meet in the treatment room, he takes a hair - supposedly from Madeleine. But Q finds out that it is not Madelaine's hair, but that of another patient. Satin creates the Nano Bots with a "fake" DNA.

    In addition, Bond uses his watch during the bombing on the island. Because we didn't learn how strong this watch actually is, because again, Q had still said on the plane, "be careful, we don't know exactly how strong this watch is."

    According to this, Bond initially suffers from amnesia and is picked up by a fisherman (YOLT). The (real) whole world believes or thinks it knows that Bond is dead. - Blofeld too. 

    Because the Blofeld who was in prison is a (classic) double of Blofeld. Or rather, Blofeld's clone. That means in the End of Bond24, on the Lambeth Bridge, that was a clone - a clone ready to die. This clone has received instructions from the real Blofeld via the mechanical eye.

    - Blofeld is about to rebuild his organisation (from a snowy place like Piz Gloria) and tries to take over Heracles by capturing Madeleine.

    Since the bots are forever attached to Bond, among others. Madeleine (and Bond) can kill Blofeld.

    Blofeld knows this and therefore has Madeleine captured and locked away, while of course having his SPECTRE people kill those who have touched Madeleine. In Bond's case, of course, he does not know that he is still alive.

    Only M and Q know this at some point. And then they let Bond go to kill Blofeld. There is finally a big showdown between the two cuckoo brothers.

    Bond lives in Peace with Madeleine and Mathilde...


  • emtiememtiem SurreyPosts: 4,766MI6 Agent

    Nah they're Bond films: they've never been about 'less is more'- more is more! 😁

  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 33,442Chief of Staff

    I'd watch that. It sounds no worse than other plots we've been asked to believe.

  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 19,983MI6 Agent
    edited June 10

    The NTTD ending was made that way to avoid any doubts whatsover that Bond really gets killed, and still we get theories likes this. 😂

    These theories are perfectly understandable and ultimately inevitable, and Fulchi2020 theory is quite well done and one of the best I've seen.

  • emtiememtiem SurreyPosts: 4,766MI6 Agent
    edited June 10

    Yeah it is the best one I've seen too; the idea that Safin got the wrong hair in the first place is an excellent way out of it!

    But I guess the fundamental problem with all of these is that it would undermine everything in the last half of NTTD, and I don't think you can do that. It'd be worse than if DAF had opened with a scene where Tracy sits up in the Aston and rubs the blood off her head, saying "Sorry James, I fell asleep and squirted my jam doughnut all over my face- what were you saying?" 😄

    Also it can never solve our problem that Bond is in his mid-50s and happily in a relationship with a daughter. Even if you forced him to survive somehow, he's not James Bond 007 anymore (That's not a complaint about NTTD, I'm just saying it was a proper ending).

  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 19,983MI6 Agent
    edited June 10

    Yes, I think the suggestion I've seen. But your comparison to starting DAF with Tracy waking up with jam on her forhead is spot on. You can't "fix" the ending of NTTD in Bond 26 without destroying NTTD.

  • The Red KindThe Red Kind EnglandPosts: 2,630MI6 Agent

    Yep, we all just have to move on from it and accept NTTD for what it is. There's no way to get out of that mess really. If only they had left it open! (but I'm not going there again..) Hopefully, we can just start afresh. A new Bond (not a reboot as such) just a return to great Bond action adventures, stand alone missions with an ultimate feel good factor. Get all the right ingredients back, and two or three films in with the new actor, the ending of NTTD will be a distant memory.

    "Any of the opposition around..?"
  • caractacus pottscaractacus potts Orbital communicator, level 10Posts: 3,394MI6 Agent

    Diamonds are Forever completely ignores the shock ending of the previous movie, so theres precedent. Bond26 could begin with Bond walking into the office same as every other day, and Q and Moneypenny doing a doubletake, looking at Bond and each other and saying "wait, didnt you just...? oh never mind. M will see you now, 007"

    I like the idea of Tracy with a bit of jam on her forehead, would fit the campy tone of Diamonds are Forever, except that I cant imagine ConneryBond shackled to a ball-and-chain for the rest of the movie.

  • The Red KindThe Red Kind EnglandPosts: 2,630MI6 Agent
    "Any of the opposition around..?"
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 33,442Chief of Staff

    I refer you to Imaginary Conversations post 1708, which I'd be happy to expand on with you. 🙂

  • emtiememtiem SurreyPosts: 4,766MI6 Agent

    It might not be Bond, but the idea of Connery and Rigg as a duo fighting diabolical masterminds is a very appealing one! 😊

  • caractacus pottscaractacus potts Orbital communicator, level 10Posts: 3,394MI6 Agent

    youre right come to think of it, she wouldnt be the conventional type off housewife reminding him to pick up groceries on the way home and stop flirting with those gangster chicks, she'd be taking down Bambi and Thumper singlehanded while Bond sits back and enjoys the show. Now I'm trying to picture Connery and Rigg doing a Nick and Nora Charles act. ConneryBond's not so witty as John Steed (or Nick Charles), itd be a slightly different rapport.

  • GaddGeneGaddGaddGeneGadd Posts: 189MI6 Agent

    Getting ready to watch NTTD for a second time after watching it once in the theater. Only watching it once in the theater about says it all. At least I was not like the old geezer next to me in the cinema as the film ended (FYI I am a old geezer as well ) " THEY RUINED BOND. I WILL NEVER watch another Bond film again as long as I live @#@# $#%$C #$@#$# "

    The lesson from this is you never bring back a lead actor after they have been quoted as saying " I would rather slash my wrists than play Bond again. A great deal has been written about how Craig basically loathed the character of James Bond by the time this film came around and was clearly in the " IT MUST BE THE MONEY ' mode PERIOD , STOP.

    The biggest problem I have with NTTD is its BI POLAR tone. If you are going to kill off Bond then give him the type of gritty emotional film he deserves . You dont treat the first half of the film in the campy " Moonraker/ Diamonds are forever" tone only to try and shoehorn a reverse 180 pivot to a " On her Majesty's secret service " tone by the end of the film. The film's tone was just all over the map. The title might as well have been called "Its spring time for Hitler THEN EVERYBODY DIES" Or DO THEY . I could have sworn I saw this little phrase at the end of the movie

    " James Bond will Return"

    But how can Bond return if just sacrificed himself for his baby girl. Ok I'm confused , it comes with being a old geezer and " I KNOW NOTHING "

    At least the Craiger has gone out like a true Bond James Bond in his final out , IE in a truly bloody awful Bond film. Luckily he has history on his side

    Connery's final Bond film; " Diamonds are forever "or "Never Say Never." UGH

    Moore's final Bond film; "A view to a Kill "Double UGH

    The Brozzer's final Bond film " Die another day " Not enough UGHS in the book

    and Now the Craiger has "Springtime for Hitler" / "No time to die" firmly sliding into its final UGH UGH UGH pantheon of SHITTY final Bond outings.

  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 33,442Chief of Staff

    @GaddGeneGadd did you like it more or less this time? I liked it less.

  • GaddGeneGaddGaddGeneGadd Posts: 189MI6 Agent

    I hate to admit it but I spent so much time writing I didn’t watch it yet. I DID watch the first episode of the new Harry Palmer spy series on AMC+ the Icress files though . It is fantastic. Makes me wish the Bond producers would just set the new Bond films in the 60’s again and re use ALL of Fleming’s source material again. After 50 years I think it’s ok to bring Gold finger , Dr No and the rest back for another run.

  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 33,442Chief of Staff

    Yes, I watched and enjoyed "Ipcress" too. Have a look at this thread where it's discussed-


  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 19,983MI6 Agent

    I don't think feature Bond films set in the sixties will happen, but a high-end period miniseries could work. A period TV series could be live-action or animated.

  • Lady RoseLady Rose London,UKPosts: 2,580MI6 Agent

    I posted this elsewhere but it is relevant here too. Charlie Higson does to approve.


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