As we have an older Bond and are already saddled (personal view) with Seydoux's girl child I hope they go more age appropriate- mid 30''s at the very least.
If by mid-30s, you're looking at 33-37, you get Emily Blunt, Carey Mulligan, Emilia Clarke, Hayley Atwell, Claire Foy, Felicity Jones, Keira Knightley, Alice Eve, Karen Gillan and Gemma Arterton in an IMDb search.
I think we can discount Gemma. Does anyone think Emily Blunt, Cary Mulligan, Emilia Clarke, Hayley Atwell, Claire Foy, Felicity Jones, Keira Knightley, Karen Gillan or Alice Eve could be the female MI-6 agent? Too well known for other things? Olga Kurylenko had done Hitman and Max Payne before Quantum.
Looking at lesser known actresses and judging them on 'glamorous MI-6 agent' looks (and that they are shorter than Daniel), I'd suggest;
"As we have an older Bond and are already saddled (personal view) with Seydoux's girl child I hope they go more age appropriate- mid 30''s at the very least"
"As we have an older Bond and are already saddled (personal view) with Seydoux's girl child I hope they go more age appropriate- mid 30''s at the very least"
Lea Seydoy is 33 years old ) )
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I know, it's that she looks so young and Daniel is not a young looking 50 by any stretch which accentuates the difference. My 'girl-child' comment also relates to how I found the character (petulant and child like) as much as what she looks like. Others who have seen more of her work rate her highly so maybe it was written that way as Bond is asked to protect a daughter. Hopefully the script allows more depth this time.
Of that of which we cannot speak we must pass over in silence- Ludwig Wittgenstein.
If anything, the problem with Seydoux's Madeleine is that she was too sullen, serious, and humorless. The character needed to be more unpredictable and emotional, more like Tracey in OHMSS, in order to play off the stolid Bond.
If anything, the problem with Seydoux's Madeleine is that she was too sullen, serious, and humorless. The character needed to be more unpredictable and emotional, more like Tracey in OHMSS, in order to play off the stolid Bond.
Perhaps that's a better description than girl child. It captures more of what I was trying to get at.
Whatever you think of her there seemed to be little spark between her character and Bond. Alternatively as dull as my 1997 tax return.
Of that of which we cannot speak we must pass over in silence- Ludwig Wittgenstein.
I too agree about Madeline being sullen, serious, and humorless. Perhaps it can be explained by her life: growing up with a father who is a criminal leader and later hiding from SPECTRE, but I think Craig's Bond could use a lively and witty Bond girl. I don't agree with those who find SPECTRE and Madeline horribly bad, but both should have been better than they turned out. The chemestry between Craig and Seydoux was passable, but I never got the feelng this was the love of their life.
Might have been more interesting to have Madeleine as a social butterfly (again more like Tracey), frivolous, emotional, humorous, witty which hides an anguished soul which she opens up only to Bond.
Tracy's father was a mediterranean suave semi mobster. He had very particular charisma. Mr. White is a more nordic and synister type. I think that reflects on Tracy VS Madeleine overall attitude. Tracy is not as reluctant on her father as Madeleine. The count was not spectre employee
Yes, Tracy's relationship with her father would probably have been the same if he was a CEO of a major company. It was mainly a rebelion against a powerful father figure. With Madeleine it's about the dark and violent nature of her father's world.
Yes, Tracy's relationship with her father would probably have been the same if he was a CEO of a major company. It was mainly a rebelion against a powerful father figure. With Madeleine it's about the dark and violent nature of her father's world.
Before people get too excited about more casting call and casting rumours, remember that there are various supporting, speaking or non-speaking, cast members who have prominent roles in a Bond film. The rumours, or even hard information like genuine casting calls, might appear to tell you something about the movie - but in fact they reveal little or nothing.
Imagine what conclusions would have been drawn about DC's movies if rumours about the casting calls for the characters below had circulated.
A random thought, but what if Blofeld walks free from court on a mistrial?
Everyone has assumed he is going to prison but as Quantum had "people everywhere," why not have a judge blackmailed by Spectre and Blofeld walks free?
This could be dealt with by a news report immediately after the PTS and credits. No more, how is Blofeld sprung from jail complications. He's out, and the threat is back.
I imagined Blofeld being locked away in some Black Site secret prison. Perhaps he is the only prisoner, like Rudolph Hess in Spandau or Bond in North Korea.
The last 2/3rds of Spectre is a buddy movie with Bond and Madeleine as the buddies. In a buddy movie, you pair two people who are very different in their personalities so that they rub each other the wrong way, cause conflict, drama, etc., which is worked out in the end.
But Bond and Madeleine had similar personalities: sullen, stolid, morose, serious, borderline depressed. This didn't give the actors much to work with.
The last 2/3rds of Spectre is a buddy movie with Bond and Madeleine as the buddies. In a buddy movie, you pair two people who are very different in their personalities so that they rub each other the wrong way, cause conflict, drama, etc., which is worked out in the end.
But Bond and Madeleine had similar personalities: sullen, stolid, morose, serious, borderline depressed. This didn't give the actors much to work with.
Yes, and 1/3 of a movie when there is plenty more going on, does not give enough time, especially when the goal is for them to form a relationship and drive off into the sunset together. All they really had was the clinic interview, her shouting at him after the chase and then the L'Americaine bedroom and dining carriage conversations. 4 mins?
They need to give a substantial amount of time at the beginning of Bond25 to reestablish the relationship, assuming she doesn't die in the PTS.
And we see people wanting a more straightforward mission, but I just can't see it happening. None of the DC films have been like that.
You don't bring back Lea Seydoux when you can handle a break-up with 10 seconds of M, Bond dialogue.
And I don't think she'll die in the PTS.
Whatever Bond25 ends up being, it's not going to be what people expect, not with Fukunaga, and a lot of people on this website are not going to be happy.
Whatever Bond25 ends up being, it's not going to be what people expect, not with Fukunaga, and a lot of people on this website are not going to be happy.
That's possible. Although I have yet to watch any of Maniac, based upon Beasts of No Nation and True Detective I don't see Fukunaga as being some sort of subversive type film maker. He's working for EON now, with a budget that dwarfs anything he has done previously and a major studio that is historically dependent on the success of the film for financial viability. He was also hired into a situation where the director left over creative differences with the producers so I would expect a much more collaborative simpatico relationship especially given Fukunaga reputation of working well with others. In some ways, for a director taking on their first really huge film, a Bond film could be much easier given the years of experience and infrastructure EON provides. Getting back to the original point "that a lot of people on this website are not going to be happy".....the truth is a lot of people, based on their personal preferences of what a Bond film should be are always going to be unhappy....even a film like Skyfall that broke box office records has a good number of critics on this site.....and that's ok because it's all about opinion. I'm sure as rumors start making the rounds about the plot/story line of Bond 25 there will be both great fear and consternation along with just as extreme and with just as over reactive expectations of the film looking like it is going to be the next best Bond film of all time. It's what we do...... -{ {[]
We don't get always geet what we want, and that's Both a good and a bad thing. There are many ways to involve Madeline and a breakup with Bond in a meaningful way. Here is my sggestion:
Bond are together in the PTS, but once again Bond has to leave her side and do his duty, perhaps because of a terrorist attack while they're on holliday. After the title song they break up because Bond will always ulitimately chose Queen and country over her.
Bond goers on a mission and sleeps with a couple of women in the process.
The Mi6 are so desperate for information they try to get it from Blofeld, who's in a black site prison. He will only talk if he gets a fine dinner in his cell with Madeline Swann, a psychologist he has a connection with. A tense dinner follows and she gets information that helps Bond.
I hope not like spectre where they keep going back and forth between bond globehopping and crap going down in London which slowed the pacing. I would much rather have Madeleine go with him, but I'd say you are probably right and they will do something like that.
What I described doesn't have to happen in London. In the PTS they are traveling and Black Site prisons are in many countries such as Thailand, Armenia or Poland.
You mean November 22nd. Did he pick the anniversary of Kennedy's assassination for a reason? LOL Arbogast777!
The Geeks Worldwide website doesn't have any track record on Bond stories. It's Bond25 stories are repeats of other sites' stories. It doesn't have much of a history at all with Bond films.
I'd put this down to rumour. And what the hell is intermittant? Unless its code to distinguish one version from another. An anti-script theft tactic.
Maybe I'm hallucinating, but I seem to remember Babs Broccoli or an official EON statement about bringing back the whole 007 writing team for Bond25, which people took to be Purvis & Wade, but others speculated could include contributors such as Haggis.
I think it's good news the CR team are writing Bond25 - if the rumour is true.
As for Number24's Blofeld in prison, Madeleine theory, I guess as she is a psychologist they could have her interviewing/interrogating him. If you wanted to convince the likes of Waltz to come back but he wasn't going to be in the film much, a more in-depth character study, a la, the Skyfall "M", "bitch," exchange scene could be persuasive.
I think the Haggis story doesn't have a particularely good source, but it's very possible.
Madeleine interrogating blofeld isn't a theory really, it'smore a of a suggestion. But I do think it would be a possibility for Seydoux and Waltz to show off their acting skills in a scene that is almost like a theatre play, a chance they didn't really get in SPECTRE. It would also be a good way to integrate the two character in Bond25 without tiieing up Bond or the overall plot. For instance it wouldn't require Bond to be faithful to Madeline.
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If by mid-30s, you're looking at 33-37, you get Emily Blunt, Carey Mulligan, Emilia Clarke, Hayley Atwell, Claire Foy, Felicity Jones, Keira Knightley, Alice Eve, Karen Gillan and Gemma Arterton in an IMDb search.
I think we can discount Gemma. Does anyone think Emily Blunt, Cary Mulligan, Emilia Clarke, Hayley Atwell, Claire Foy, Felicity Jones, Keira Knightley, Karen Gillan or Alice Eve could be the female MI-6 agent? Too well known for other things? Olga Kurylenko had done Hitman and Max Payne before Quantum.
Looking at lesser known actresses and judging them on 'glamorous MI-6 agent' looks (and that they are shorter than Daniel), I'd suggest;
Erin Richards
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm3260333/
Stephanie Leonidas
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0503060/
Amy Manson
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm2240061/bio?ref_=nm_ov_bio_sm
Gemma Chan (I have mentioned her before)
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm2110418/bio?ref_=nm_ov_bio_sm
Elizabeth Henstridge
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm4464857/
Lea Seydoy is 33 years old
I know, it's that she looks so young and Daniel is not a young looking 50 by any stretch which accentuates the difference. My 'girl-child' comment also relates to how I found the character (petulant and child like) as much as what she looks like. Others who have seen more of her work rate her highly so maybe it was written that way as Bond is asked to protect a daughter. Hopefully the script allows more depth this time.
Perhaps that's a better description than girl child. It captures more of what I was trying to get at.
Whatever you think of her there seemed to be little spark between her character and Bond. Alternatively as dull as my 1997 tax return.
Yes. Exactly.
Imagine what conclusions would have been drawn about DC's movies if rumours about the casting calls for the characters below had circulated.
Casino
Rene Mathis, Solange, Dimitrios, Steven Obanno, Valenka, Mr White, Mollaka.
Quantum
Strawberry Fields, Gregg Beam, General Medrano, Elvis.
Skyfall
Ronson, Mallory, Severine, Patrice.
Spectre
Lucia Sciarra, Hinx, C, Marco Sciarra, Estrella, Gallo, Vogel, Moreau.
Everyone has assumed he is going to prison but as Quantum had "people everywhere," why not have a judge blackmailed by Spectre and Blofeld walks free?
This could be dealt with by a news report immediately after the PTS and credits. No more, how is Blofeld sprung from jail complications. He's out, and the threat is back.
I thought Moriarty faked his own death?
Have you seen "The Reichenbach Fall"? Before the death scene, there's a court scene where Moriarty walks free.
I have seen it, just didn't remember that bit. I can't imagine Sherlock plot lines present a problem for Bond25.
But Bond and Madeleine had similar personalities: sullen, stolid, morose, serious, borderline depressed. This didn't give the actors much to work with.
Yes, and 1/3 of a movie when there is plenty more going on, does not give enough time, especially when the goal is for them to form a relationship and drive off into the sunset together. All they really had was the clinic interview, her shouting at him after the chase and then the L'Americaine bedroom and dining carriage conversations. 4 mins?
They need to give a substantial amount of time at the beginning of Bond25 to reestablish the relationship, assuming she doesn't die in the PTS.
And we see people wanting a more straightforward mission, but I just can't see it happening. None of the DC films have been like that.
You don't bring back Lea Seydoux when you can handle a break-up with 10 seconds of M, Bond dialogue.
And I don't think she'll die in the PTS.
Whatever Bond25 ends up being, it's not going to be what people expect, not with Fukunaga, and a lot of people on this website are not going to be happy.
That's possible. Although I have yet to watch any of Maniac, based upon Beasts of No Nation and True Detective I don't see Fukunaga as being some sort of subversive type film maker. He's working for EON now, with a budget that dwarfs anything he has done previously and a major studio that is historically dependent on the success of the film for financial viability. He was also hired into a situation where the director left over creative differences with the producers so I would expect a much more collaborative simpatico relationship especially given Fukunaga reputation of working well with others. In some ways, for a director taking on their first really huge film, a Bond film could be much easier given the years of experience and infrastructure EON provides. Getting back to the original point "that a lot of people on this website are not going to be happy".....the truth is a lot of people, based on their personal preferences of what a Bond film should be are always going to be unhappy....even a film like Skyfall that broke box office records has a good number of critics on this site.....and that's ok because it's all about opinion. I'm sure as rumors start making the rounds about the plot/story line of Bond 25 there will be both great fear and consternation along with just as extreme and with just as over reactive expectations of the film looking like it is going to be the next best Bond film of all time. It's what we do......
Bond are together in the PTS, but once again Bond has to leave her side and do his duty, perhaps because of a terrorist attack while they're on holliday. After the title song they break up because Bond will always ulitimately chose Queen and country over her.
Bond goers on a mission and sleeps with a couple of women in the process.
The Mi6 are so desperate for information they try to get it from Blofeld, who's in a black site prison. He will only talk if he gets a fine dinner in his cell with Madeline Swann, a psychologist he has a connection with. A tense dinner follows and she gets information that helps Bond.
It could work :007)
https://thegww.com/exclusive-paul-haggis-has-contributed-to-the-bond-25-script/
You mean November 22nd. Did he pick the anniversary of Kennedy's assassination for a reason? LOL Arbogast777!
The Geeks Worldwide website doesn't have any track record on Bond stories. It's Bond25 stories are repeats of other sites' stories. It doesn't have much of a history at all with Bond films.
I'd put this down to rumour. And what the hell is intermittant? Unless its code to distinguish one version from another. An anti-script theft tactic.
Maybe I'm hallucinating, but I seem to remember Babs Broccoli or an official EON statement about bringing back the whole 007 writing team for Bond25, which people took to be Purvis & Wade, but others speculated could include contributors such as Haggis.
I think it's good news the CR team are writing Bond25 - if the rumour is true.
As for Number24's Blofeld in prison, Madeleine theory, I guess as she is a psychologist they could have her interviewing/interrogating him. If you wanted to convince the likes of Waltz to come back but he wasn't going to be in the film much, a more in-depth character study, a la, the Skyfall "M", "bitch," exchange scene could be persuasive.
Madeleine interrogating blofeld isn't a theory really, it'smore a of a suggestion. But I do think it would be a possibility for Seydoux and Waltz to show off their acting skills in a scene that is almost like a theatre play, a chance they didn't really get in SPECTRE. It would also be a good way to integrate the two character in Bond25 without tiieing up Bond or the overall plot. For instance it wouldn't require Bond to be faithful to Madeline.