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Walken wasn't a bad guy in Dead Zone but his character was certainly mentally unstable when he was gonna shoot the would-be US president   ajb007/wink

I liked Bowies performance in "mr Lawrence" and vampire flick The Hunger , I'm sure he would've been decent. Still Walken was amazing imo  ajb007/shifty

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superado wrote:

...Tanya Roberts  ... I loved her in everything I saw her in, in Sheena, That 70's Show and her Playboy spread!

!!! I didn't realise she'd done Sheena Queen of the Jungle? as a fan of old comics, I am intrigued ... but as much as I'd like to see her fill out a leopard skin bikini real nice (to paraphrase Bob Pinciatti) I can't imagine her playing the character, at least not based on her performances as Stacy Sutton or Donna's mom
Ursulla Andress I could, since Honey Rider was a "girl Tarzan" and Ursula definitely looked the part
Tanya Roberts is just too delicate looking, and the parts I've seen her in she is kind of whiny and dependant, so she better be more versatile than that

there was a Sheena tv series in the 1950s. I've never seen it, but the actress then was Irish McCalla, and based on photos, she did look the part
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a6/IrishMcCalla2.jpg

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somehow I forgot to watch this one as i worked my way through the Moore films last summer.
by coincidence, this one is the first one I skipped at the theatre when it came out. I didnt see it til i got a dvd player in the early 2000s.


pros:
-Walken/Zorin: watch his reaction shots, as Roger delivers some pretty generic setup lines, each time Zorin follows with a quick sequence of successive facial expressions before settling into something inappropriate and weird.
The scene where he machine-guns his own men may be the evillest and most violent act of any Bond villain ever. I'm not sure I believe he would betray MayDay (she was like a test-tube sister to him) but it sure does add to his arbitrary amoral nature.
He's kind of like Heath Ledger's Joker, he even tells us he's making it up as he goes along when he shoots the mayor. Yet he is able to formulate and execute longterm plans.

-MacNee/Tibbett: he's not quite Steed, he's older and fatter and wheezing, and Steed would never have put up with Bond's abuse without getting in a much wittier putdown of his own.
The first time I watched this, I didn't recognise Tibbet was the former John Steed and wondered why the character was dominating the first half of the movie and stealing laughs. Usually these expert-types get one line in M's office then they disappear, but this one goes on the mission with our hero. I think you have to be in on the joke to appreciate his scenes.

-Barry's back.

-Gogol's back, and he gives Bond a medal. He gets more lines than M.

-geology based scheme. similar to fracking actually, which we now know causes earthquakes. Regardless of how many microchips would have got lost, there is a concentration of top tech talent in that valley who would have died in the flood, changing the course of the economy as we know it today.

-bits of three Gardner books get adapted, unofficially, so that nice.

-Fleming's story might have got chucked, but I'm now convinced the stable scenes are a loose adaptation of the Saratoga chapters from Diamonds are Forever. In Fleming's book, the Spangs substituted a much better horse (a ringer) to manipulate the betting results, and Leiter was independently investigating when Bond showed up. In this film, Zorin is injecting horses from inferior bloodlines with steroids to win races they had been predicted to lose, and Tibbett has been independently investigating.
That's at least as close as most of the official Fleming adaptations during the Moore era.
Also there's one scene almost identical to Goldfinger (in the book, the hood who walks out of the meeting is said to have fallen down a flight of stairs, and so did his bodyguard), and I think the quiche may be an adaptation of the Scrambled Eggs recipe from 007 in New York, updated to the 1980s.

-Two of my favourite Moore-era action sequences: the elevator sequence, including the preceding scene in the mayor's office, and the finale with the hot-air balloon and Golden Gate bridge. Both are very suspenseful.

-the mine sequence. Aside from Zorin's evil, I realised this is one of those incredibly huge stagesets like the tanker interior, and they spend a good chunk of time exploring all the spaces before it gets flooded. More huge stagesets with hundreds of minions please!

-I don't mind Stacy Sutton screaming. Those are situations when a scream is appropriate, and Bond does appear to abandon her in that elevator shaft.

-I'm ok with Mayday's sex scene. MooreBond is getting on a bit in years, so to quote the great Cosmo Kramer "why not let her do all the work". Her muscles sure do gleam as she settles into position and begins her first grind. Bond should have been walking funny and complaining about all his aches and bruises the next day when he met Tibbet, though, that'd make it better.


cons:
-throws out a perfectly good Fleming story. maybe there's no dispatch riders anymore, but in the mid80s bike couriers were becoming a big thing (classic twentysomething job). Fleming's story should have somehow made up the first act of the film, as was done with the previous film and would happen with the next film, then it could spin out somehow to lead to Zorin's evil scheme.

-gets the title wrong. and in doing so anticipates some of the Brosnan era titles where they just didn't care as long as it had the word Die or Kill.

-Duran Duran. Sorry I never liked them back in the day, and still those gated drums and staccato synth trumpets bug the heck outa me. They shoulda got Grace jones to deliver the title track, maybe with a Sly and Robbie rhythm section, that's some 80s music I could stand. c'mon, James Bond is Jamaican, let's use the Jamaican talent.

-in general there is a glossy 80s/MTV aesthetic that is not just distracting, but undermines the aging regular cast. Moneypenny and Q and Tibbett and M and the minister all look about thirty years too old for this film. And since MooreBond is their contemporary the conspicuous contrast forces me to assume our star has been paying for some plastic surgery.

-Grace Jones, I love her music and her modelling work, but she is not a good actress and I do not believe her sex scene with Bond, or her choice to switch sides and sacrifice herself.

-the new M makes zero impression. There are so many people in his office, and he gets the least lines of any of them. It's like he has no control over what goes on in his own office. You know Bernard Lee would have shown who was chairing that meeting.

-showoff MooreBond cuts off Q to explain what a microchip is, and Q lets him do it. Then he explains to Tibbett how the steroids are being injected even though Tibbett is the one investigating that aspect of the case. There's gotta be a word like mansplaining for this bad habit of MooreBond (specifically). MooreBondSplaining?
At least he lets Stacy explain about the geology.

-Pola Ivanova: another stunning 80s beauty, but her scene is a digression and is mostly irrelevant. If Barbara Bach had returned this would have made the subplot so much better (and a nice reprise for the final film of the Moore era).
Do they have their sex in a rent-by-the-hour hot-tub storefront?

-Q's perv-cam. Watch his face, there is no misunderstanding, he is trying to sneak a peak and vicariously experience Bond's sexlife. Compare with the previous film where a real live woman hugs and kisses him and he turns her down. He likes to watch.
You know if Q hadn't tracked him down, M and Gogol would have assumed Bond had died at Golden Gate Bridge? body washed out to sea, no point in searching. Meaning MooreBond, in his last film, had a chance to quietly escape this dirty damn business just like FlemingBond in You Only Live Twice, except Q's damn perv-cam ruined his chance.


By coincidence, I found a copy of an odd paperback tie-in called Find Your Fate: Strike it Deadly
(ref 1, ref 2)

This film didn't get a novelisation, even though it was almost entirely original. But it got a set of four Find Your Fate books, which were like children's books where you make a choice and are sent to a different page to find out what happens next, meaning there are multiple possible outcomes. Anticipating the video game tie-ins that would appear a decade later.
How do the video games and Find Your Fate books rank in The Canon?

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Grindelwald wrote:

Walken wasn't a bad guy in Dead Zone but his character was certainly mentally unstable when he was gonna shoot the would-be US president   ajb007/wink

I liked Bowies performance in "mr Lawrence" and vampire flick The Hunger , I'm sure he would've been decent. Still Walken was amazing imo  ajb007/shifty

Walken was also great in Poolhall Junkies and the film he starred in with Johnny Depp where he kidknaps his daughter to make his kill a presidential candidate.

"You're in the wrong business... leave it to the professionals!"
James Bond- Licence To Kill

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Re-watched this.  I wish I liked it more, as Rog is great in it, I think he gives one of his very best 007 performances here.

My criticisms:

- Stacey Sutton's screaming.
- Moore's ooohs.
- The awkward/weird May Day kissing Zorin and having sex with Bond.
- Ivanova's Tchaikovsky line
- The scene when Zorin has a guy killed for not wanting to be part of his plan clearly rips off GF

The movie certainly has good aspects and isn't terrible, but it didn't grow on this latest viewing.

"Hostile takeovers.  Shall we?"
New 2020 ranking (for now DAF and FYEO keep their previous placements)
1. TLD  2. TND  3. GF  4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
Bond actors to be re-ranked later

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I think the entire film is an
Homage to Goldfinger  ajb007/wink
Although  I do have a soft
Spot for it.