1.Dr.No [7]
2.From Russia With Love [13]
3.Goldfinger [17]
4.Thunderball [10]
5.You Only Live Twice [4]
6.On Her Majesty's Secret Service [14]
7.Live and Let Die 3 - 1 = [2]
8.The Spy Who Loved Me [11]
9.For Your Eyes Only [4]
10.The Living Daylights 8 + 1 = [9]
11.Goldeneye [7]
12.The World is Not Enough [4]
13.Casino Royale [7]
LazenbyThe upper reaches of the AmazoPosts: 606MI6 Agent
1.Dr.No [7]
2.From Russia With Love [13]
3.Goldfinger [17]
4.Thunderball [10]
5.You Only Live Twice [4]
6.On Her Majesty's Secret Service [15] +1
7.Live and Let Die [2]
8.The Spy Who Loved Me [11]
9.For Your Eyes Only [4]
10.The Living Daylights [9]
11.Goldeneye [6] -1
12.The World is Not Enough [4]
13.Casino Royale [7]
1.Dr.No [7]
2.From Russia With Love [14] +
3.Goldfinger [17]
4.Thunderball [10]
5.You Only Live Twice [4]
6.On Her Majesty's Secret Service [15]
7.Live and Let Die [2]
8.The Spy Who Loved Me [11]
9.For Your Eyes Only [3] -
10.The Living Daylights [9]
11.Goldeneye [6]
12.The World is Not Enough [4]
13.Casino Royale [7]
1.Dr.No [7]
2.From Russia With Love [14]
3.Goldfinger [17]
4.Thunderball [10]
5.You Only Live Twice [4]
6.On Her Majesty's Secret Service [15]
7.Live and Let Die [2]
8.The Spy Who Loved Me [12] +
9.For Your Eyes Only [2] -
10.The Living Daylights [9]
11.Goldeneye [6]
12.The World is Not Enough [4]
13.Casino Royale [7]
1.Dr.No [7]
2.From Russia With Love [14]
3.Goldfinger [17]
4.Thunderball [10]
5.You Only Live Twice [4]
6.On Her Majesty's Secret Service [15]
7.Live and Let Die [3] +
8.The Spy Who Loved Me [12]
9.For Your Eyes Only [1] -
10.The Living Daylights [9]
11.Goldeneye [6]
12.The World is Not Enough [4]
13.Casino Royale [7]
1.Dr.No [7]
2.From Russia With Love [14]
3.Goldfinger [17]
4.Thunderball [10]
5.You Only Live Twice [4]
6.On Her Majesty's Secret Service [15]
7.Live and Let Die [4]
8.The Spy Who Loved Me [12]
9.The Living Daylights [9]+1 = 10
10.Goldeneye [6]
11.The World is Not Enough [4]
12.Casino Royale [7]-1 = 6
No, I'd already added and subtracted, should look like this:
1.Dr.No [7]
2.From Russia With Love [14]
3.Goldfinger [17]
4.Thunderball [10]
5.You Only Live Twice [4]
6.On Her Majesty's Secret Service [15]
7.Live and Let Die [3]
8.The Spy Who Loved Me [12]
9. For Your Eyes Only [1]
10.The Living Daylights [8]+1 = 9
11.Goldeneye [6]
12.The World is Not Enough [4]
13.Casino Royale [7]-1 = 6
LazenbyThe upper reaches of the AmazoPosts: 606MI6 Agent
edited March 2007
Mr. Pringle-- it seems to me that you could either have eliminated FYEO or taken a point away from CR, but not both. Could you please remedy that?
I don't get it. No way in hell the YOLT remake (inferior) is better than FYEO. You all must give me the name of your oculist.
I disagree-- I found FYEO kind of boring and way too serious for a Roger Moore flick. What really gets me is that some people feel that CR should be the next to go...
8.The Spy Who Loved Me [12]
9. For Your Eyes Only [1]
I don't get it. No way in hell the YOLT remake (inferior) is better than FYEO. You all must give me the name of your oculist.
FYEO is a great entry. It is surprising that it should have such a low score. Where I disagree is with your claim that YOLT is better than TSWLM. The Moore entry is better by far.
That I agree with-- Moore was much better suited to that over-the-top kind of Bond movie (and Connery's evident boredom does detract from YOLT a bit imho).
Moore was much better suited to that over-the-top kind of Bond movie (and Connery's evident boredom does detract from YOLT a bit imho).
I used to feel the same way. But upon further views Mr. Connery does a great job (not his best) and is a better bond in every way. I am sorry Mr. Moore is not Bond to me. He did come the closest in FYEO which is why I consider it his best.
1.Dr.No [7]
2.From Russia With Love [14]
3.Goldfinger [17]
4.Thunderball [10]
5.You Only Live Twice [4]
6.On Her Majesty's Secret Service [15]
7.Live and Let Die [3]+1 =4
8.The Spy Who Loved Me [12]
9. For Your Eyes Only [1]
10.The Living Daylights [9]
11.Goldeneye [6]
12.The World is Not Enough [4]-1 =3
13.Casino Royale [6]
1.Dr.No [7]
2.From Russia With Love [14]
3.Goldfinger [17]
4.Thunderball [10]
5.You Only Live Twice [4]
6.On Her Majesty's Secret Service [15]
7.Live and Let Die [4]
8.The Spy Who Loved Me [12]
9. For Your Eyes Only [1]
10.The Living Daylights [9]
11.Goldeneye [7] (+)
12.The World is Not Enough [3]
13.Casino Royale [5] (-)
Why was there so much hate for FYEO? That's an AMAZING movie.
1.Dr.No [7]
2.From Russia With Love [14]
3.Goldfinger [17]
4.Thunderball [10]
5.You Only Live Twice [4]
6.On Her Majesty's Secret Service [15]
7.Live and Let Die [4] -1 = [3]
8.The Spy Who Loved Me [12]
9. For Your Eyes Only [1]
10.The Living Daylights [9]
11.Goldeneye [7]
12.The World is Not Enough [3]
13.Casino Royale [5] +1 = [6]
LazenbyThe upper reaches of the AmazoPosts: 606MI6 Agent
Wow, I can tell our opinions are going to conflict a lot on these boards.
Yeah, that's what keeps things interesting though...B-)
(I don't mean anything personally, of course, and I apologize if I ever come across that way.)
For the sake of chivalrous discussion, riddle me this: what, apart from some subjective nostalgia or affection for Roger Moore, are FYEO and CR not at least equal? FYEO stands out because it was an attempt to get the series more grounded after being blasted into orbit in MR, and it was Roger Moore's only serious attempt at the much less humorous and happy-go-lucky Bond of Lazenby, Connery and Fleming. Casino Royale was made in a very similar vein and spirit-- and my (controversial, to you) opinion is that it succeeded marvelously. Where do you believe it failed?
1.Dr.No [7]
2.From Russia With Love [14]
3.Goldfinger [17]
4.Thunderball [10]
5.You Only Live Twice [4] + 1 = [5]
6.On Her Majesty's Secret Service [15]
7.Live and Let Die [3]
8.The Spy Who Loved Me [12]
9. For Your Eyes Only [1] -1= 0 eliminated
10.The Living Daylights [9]
11.Goldeneye [7]
12.The World is Not Enough [3]
13.Casino Royale [6]
LazenbyThe upper reaches of the AmazoPosts: 606MI6 Agent
13)For Your Eyes Only
14)Octopussy
15)Diamonds are Forever
16)Moonraker
17)Tomorrow Never Dies
18)The Man With the Golden Gun
19)License to Kill
20)Never Say Never Again
21)Die Another Day
22)A View to a Kill
1.Dr.No [7]
2.From Russia With Love [14]
3.Goldfinger [17]
4.Thunderball [10]
5.You Only Live Twice [5]
6.On Her Majesty's Secret Service [15]
7.Live and Let Die [3]
8.The Spy Who Loved Me [12]
9.The Living Daylights 9-1= [8]
10.Goldeneye 7+1= [8]
11.The World is Not Enough [3]
12.Casino Royale [6]
LoeffelholzThe United States, With LovePosts: 8,993Quartermasters
edited March 2007
1.Dr.No [7]
2.From Russia With Love [14]
3.Goldfinger [17]
4.Thunderball [10]
5.You Only Live Twice [5]
6.On Her Majesty's Secret Service [15]
7.Live and Let Die [3]
8.The Spy Who Loved Me [12] - 1 = 11
9.The Living Daylights [8]
10.Goldeneye [8]
11.The World is Not Enough [3]
12.Casino Royale [6] + 1 = 7
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"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
BTW: Lazenby, I actually don't think your views controversial at all, in fact, they're usually the norm. I know that mine, in any way shape or form at all, considered the norm.
Why is FYEO better? Firstly, I'm partial to Moore as Bond, who gave a very balanced portrayal in this outing, as well as in OP and AVTAK, combining suave and humorous Bond with the world-wearly Bond, a happy medium for me, while Craig treaded in the world-weary, cold spy part where he's only beginning.
Kristatos also made for more of an interesting villain, more Flemingesque than Le Chiffre certainly, not being over-the-top at all (no bleeding eyes or annoying qualities) while being a menacing and even charming villain.
You have a hotter Bond girl in Carole Bouquet, who was much more feisty and independent than Vampiress Green ever hopes to be.
Finally, I love Conti's disco score, it runs circles around Arnold's boring mess of techno mishmash found in this score.
I don't get it. No way in hell the YOLT remake (inferior) is better than FYEO. You all must give me the name of your oculist.
I disagree-- I found FYEO kind of boring and way too serious for a Roger Moore flick. What really gets me is that some people feel that CR should be the next to go...
On this TSWLM V. FYEO debate, I thought that FYEO was a terrific Bond film however I consider TSWLM to be one of the series' absolute masterpieces and the greatest non-Connery Bond film of all time. Oh, and Lazenby, I will be going after CR... but not until I get rid of TLD.
"He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
1.Dr.No [7]
2.From Russia With Love [14]
3.Goldfinger [17]
4.Thunderball [10]
5.You Only Live Twice [4](-)
6.On Her Majesty's Secret Service [15]
7.Live and Let Die [3]
8.The Spy Who Loved Me [12](+)
9.The Living Daylights [8]
10.Goldeneye [8]
11.The World is Not Enough [3]
12.Casino Royale [7]
By any conceivable standard through which one can highly rate FYEO, Casino Royale absolutely blows it out of the water.
I truly disagree. I actually consider FYEO to be among the ten greatest Bond films of all time, while CR is much lower on my list. The reasons I consider FYEO to be greatly superior to CR are pretty much the same as JFF's except that I want to highlight three: IMO FYEO's Bond performance, Bond girl and screenplay are vastly superior to CR's Bond performance, Bond girl and screenplay.
"He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
Comments
1.Dr.No [7]
2.From Russia With Love [13]
3.Goldfinger [17]
4.Thunderball [10]
5.You Only Live Twice [4]
6.On Her Majesty's Secret Service [14]
7.Live and Let Die 3 - 1 = [2]
8.The Spy Who Loved Me [11]
9.For Your Eyes Only [4]
10.The Living Daylights 8 + 1 = [9]
11.Goldeneye [7]
12.The World is Not Enough [4]
13.Casino Royale [7]
2.From Russia With Love [13]
3.Goldfinger [17]
4.Thunderball [10]
5.You Only Live Twice [4]
6.On Her Majesty's Secret Service [15] +1
7.Live and Let Die [2]
8.The Spy Who Loved Me [11]
9.For Your Eyes Only [4]
10.The Living Daylights [9]
11.Goldeneye [6] -1
12.The World is Not Enough [4]
13.Casino Royale [7]
2.From Russia With Love [14] +
3.Goldfinger [17]
4.Thunderball [10]
5.You Only Live Twice [4]
6.On Her Majesty's Secret Service [15]
7.Live and Let Die [2]
8.The Spy Who Loved Me [11]
9.For Your Eyes Only [3] -
10.The Living Daylights [9]
11.Goldeneye [6]
12.The World is Not Enough [4]
13.Casino Royale [7]
2.From Russia With Love [14]
3.Goldfinger [17]
4.Thunderball [10]
5.You Only Live Twice [4]
6.On Her Majesty's Secret Service [15]
7.Live and Let Die [2]
8.The Spy Who Loved Me [12] +
9.For Your Eyes Only [2] -
10.The Living Daylights [9]
11.Goldeneye [6]
12.The World is Not Enough [4]
13.Casino Royale [7]
2.From Russia With Love [14]
3.Goldfinger [17]
4.Thunderball [10]
5.You Only Live Twice [4]
6.On Her Majesty's Secret Service [15]
7.Live and Let Die [3] +
8.The Spy Who Loved Me [12]
9.For Your Eyes Only [1] -
10.The Living Daylights [9]
11.Goldeneye [6]
12.The World is Not Enough [4]
13.Casino Royale [7]
2.From Russia With Love [14]
3.Goldfinger [17]
4.Thunderball [10]
5.You Only Live Twice [4]
6.On Her Majesty's Secret Service [15]
7.Live and Let Die [4]
8.The Spy Who Loved Me [12]
9.The Living Daylights [9]+1 = 10
10.Goldeneye [6]
11.The World is Not Enough [4]
12.Casino Royale [7]-1 = 6
For Your Eyes Only is history.
1.Dr.No [7]
2.From Russia With Love [14]
3.Goldfinger [17]
4.Thunderball [10]
5.You Only Live Twice [4]
6.On Her Majesty's Secret Service [15]
7.Live and Let Die [3]
8.The Spy Who Loved Me [12]
9. For Your Eyes Only [1]
10.The Living Daylights [8]+1 = 9
11.Goldeneye [6]
12.The World is Not Enough [4]
13.Casino Royale [7]-1 = 6
9. For Your Eyes Only [1]
I disagree-- I found FYEO kind of boring and way too serious for a Roger Moore flick. What really gets me is that some people feel that CR should be the next to go...
Why everybody dislikes FYEO is beyond me. It's my favorite from Rog.
FYEO is a great entry. It is surprising that it should have such a low score. Where I disagree is with your claim that YOLT is better than TSWLM. The Moore entry is better by far.
That I agree with-- Moore was much better suited to that over-the-top kind of Bond movie (and Connery's evident boredom does detract from YOLT a bit imho).
2.From Russia With Love [14]
3.Goldfinger [17]
4.Thunderball [10]
5.You Only Live Twice [4]
6.On Her Majesty's Secret Service [15]
7.Live and Let Die [3]+1 =4
8.The Spy Who Loved Me [12]
9. For Your Eyes Only [1]
10.The Living Daylights [9]
11.Goldeneye [6]
12.The World is Not Enough [4]-1 =3
13.Casino Royale [6]
2.From Russia With Love [14]
3.Goldfinger [17]
4.Thunderball [10]
5.You Only Live Twice [4]
6.On Her Majesty's Secret Service [15]
7.Live and Let Die [4]
8.The Spy Who Loved Me [12]
9. For Your Eyes Only [1]
10.The Living Daylights [9]
11.Goldeneye [7] (+)
12.The World is Not Enough [3]
13.Casino Royale [5] (-)
Why was there so much hate for FYEO? That's an AMAZING movie.
2.From Russia With Love [14]
3.Goldfinger [17]
4.Thunderball [10]
5.You Only Live Twice [4]
6.On Her Majesty's Secret Service [15]
7.Live and Let Die [4] -1 = [3]
8.The Spy Who Loved Me [12]
9. For Your Eyes Only [1]
10.The Living Daylights [9]
11.Goldeneye [7]
12.The World is Not Enough [3]
13.Casino Royale [5] +1 = [6]
By any conceivable standard through which one can highly rate FYEO, Casino Royale absolutely blows it out of the water.
Wow, I can tell our opinions are going to conflict a lot on these boards.
Yeah, that's what keeps things interesting though...B-)
(I don't mean anything personally, of course, and I apologize if I ever come across that way.)
For the sake of chivalrous discussion, riddle me this: what, apart from some subjective nostalgia or affection for Roger Moore, are FYEO and CR not at least equal? FYEO stands out because it was an attempt to get the series more grounded after being blasted into orbit in MR, and it was Roger Moore's only serious attempt at the much less humorous and happy-go-lucky Bond of Lazenby, Connery and Fleming. Casino Royale was made in a very similar vein and spirit-- and my (controversial, to you) opinion is that it succeeded marvelously. Where do you believe it failed?
2.From Russia With Love [14]
3.Goldfinger [17]
4.Thunderball [10]
5.You Only Live Twice [4] + 1 = [5]
6.On Her Majesty's Secret Service [15]
7.Live and Let Die [3]
8.The Spy Who Loved Me [12]
9. For Your Eyes Only [1] -1= 0 eliminated
10.The Living Daylights [9]
11.Goldeneye [7]
12.The World is Not Enough [3]
13.Casino Royale [6]
ha! that settles that I suppose
Eliminated
13)For Your Eyes Only
14)Octopussy
15)Diamonds are Forever
16)Moonraker
17)Tomorrow Never Dies
18)The Man With the Golden Gun
19)License to Kill
20)Never Say Never Again
21)Die Another Day
22)A View to a Kill
2.From Russia With Love [14]
3.Goldfinger [17]
4.Thunderball [10]
5.You Only Live Twice [5]
6.On Her Majesty's Secret Service [15]
7.Live and Let Die [3]
8.The Spy Who Loved Me [12]
9.The Living Daylights 9-1= [8]
10.Goldeneye 7+1= [8]
11.The World is Not Enough [3]
12.Casino Royale [6]
2.From Russia With Love [14]
3.Goldfinger [17]
4.Thunderball [10]
5.You Only Live Twice [5]
6.On Her Majesty's Secret Service [15]
7.Live and Let Die [3]
8.The Spy Who Loved Me [12] - 1 = 11
9.The Living Daylights [8]
10.Goldeneye [8]
11.The World is Not Enough [3]
12.Casino Royale [6] + 1 = 7
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
BTW: Lazenby, I actually don't think your views controversial at all, in fact, they're usually the norm. I know that mine, in any way shape or form at all, considered the norm.
Why is FYEO better? Firstly, I'm partial to Moore as Bond, who gave a very balanced portrayal in this outing, as well as in OP and AVTAK, combining suave and humorous Bond with the world-wearly Bond, a happy medium for me, while Craig treaded in the world-weary, cold spy part where he's only beginning.
Kristatos also made for more of an interesting villain, more Flemingesque than Le Chiffre certainly, not being over-the-top at all (no bleeding eyes or annoying qualities) while being a menacing and even charming villain.
You have a hotter Bond girl in Carole Bouquet, who was much more feisty and independent than Vampiress Green ever hopes to be.
Finally, I love Conti's disco score, it runs circles around Arnold's boring mess of techno mishmash found in this score.
FYEO > CR
2.From Russia With Love [14]
3.Goldfinger [17]
4.Thunderball [10]
5.You Only Live Twice [4](-)
6.On Her Majesty's Secret Service [15]
7.Live and Let Die [3]
8.The Spy Who Loved Me [12](+)
9.The Living Daylights [8]
10.Goldeneye [8]
11.The World is Not Enough [3]
12.Casino Royale [7]