It's hard to tell how much time elapsed between Bond's conversation with M on the boat and his actually finding Mr. White. At least enough time to pick up a new car on his way to Italy, and it surely could have had a weapon or two in it.
I just picked up a copy of the new Casino Royale 3-disk set and it includes the extended lead-in to the bathroom fight at the cricket match. Bond is armed with a PPK there... briefly. And that chronologically preceeds him using a P99. So I think he is issued both and uses whichever one he feels is appropriate (like Robert DeNiro's 'toolbox' speach from Ronin). It seems that other MI6 agents we've seen have carried SIG P226s. Carter, at the beginning of CR and another agent in QoS will be using one (which may be where Bond get's it).
I'm still clinging to the tidbit that one of the writers dropped several months ago about Bond getting the PPK in a way that will please the fans (something to add to the mythology like him winning the DB5). I hope it makes the cut so we can put this all to rest... until Bond 23 when he starts carrying the PPS
Some observations from a new guy,but old Band fan...
I'm pretty sure the Smith & Wesson snubnose in the case is the M&P 360 Chief's Special,13.3 oz. in weight and chambered in .357.
As to Camille's pistol,my first thought was that it was a Sig P239,but none of the pix so far are
of sufficient sharpness to be sure.(31at Oct. thought:maybe her gun is a Rohrbaugh?)
Lastly, over on CBn, there is a photo of Craig wearing a shoulder holster with the P226(most likely) in it.
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Asp9mmOver the Hills and Far Away.Posts: 7,485MI6 Agent
Do you have the link. I was told by good authority that Bond was not using a shoulder rig in this film.
Not sure but I think he is talking about the Omega wallpaper, which I do not believe has anything to do with the film. Just a promo shoot they put together.
Amdrag,you beat me to the draw,and you're probably right.
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Asp9mmOver the Hills and Far Away.Posts: 7,485MI6 Agent
Hmmm, I don't think that's a rig he'll wear in the film. The way Fords suits are cut would not allow for a rig like that with a large auto like the Sig and offside mage pouches, much too bulky. We'll see though.
I just read something interesting about the Walther PP. In the sixties both Sweden and Norway equipped their police officers with Walther PP.
On one occation a crimminal with a more powerfull firearm started a firefight against several swedish policemen. After being hit NINE times he kept walking towards them while fireing his weapon. Only then did one of the officers manage to stop the gunman by putting one between his eyes.
Swedish police now have SIG 226 and Norway is giving the police HK 3000's to replace old S&W 38's. Bodyguards and SWAT will have Glock 17.
Denmark also ordered the PP from Walther and had the same problem.
The Danish police switched to a +P ammunition and the frames on the PP started to gall and otherwise take quite a pounding.
Walther solved this problem by replacing the slide with another that did not have the loaded chamber indicator thus making the slide heavier and slowing the recoil.
Around two hundred of these pistols were modified in this manner, the rest being delivered new with the heavier slide already installed.
I have one of the first two hundred modified with the heavier slide. The serial number is scribed into the underside of the slide instead of being stamped on the outside of the slide to match the barrel and frame.
The pistol came with the original serial numbered box, with a tag in Danish on the underside of the lid, cleaning rod, extra magazine and the manual.
Quite valuable today and a welcome addition to my collection.
Okay, could some one, nice man or woman say what gun holster Bond uses for his Walther PPK?
You know in America it’s “bling, bling”, but out here it’s “bling, bang”.
Asp9mmOver the Hills and Far Away.Posts: 7,485MI6 Agent
Bond uses a Vega again for his PPK, although you don't see it in the final scenes.
His PPK is the main sidearm from the start to virtually the finish. He picks up the P226 towards the end from a victim. A shoulder holster is never used. The UMP appears very briefly. The fanwanky moment is not there. Plenty of PPK fanwanky moments, although an explanation to how and where it comes from is not present. PPK is not suppressed at all at anytime. He loses it towards the end, having to make do with the scrounged P226 but then gets another PPK for the final sequence. I think he will use the PPK from now on, or until Q gives him a PPS 8-)
Bond uses a Vega again for his PPK, although you don't see it in the final scenes.
His PPK is the main sidearm from the start to virtually the finish. He picks up the P226 towards the end from a victim. A shoulder holster is never used. The UMP appears very briefly. The fanwanky moment is not there. Plenty of PPK fanwanky moments, although an explanation to how and where it comes from is not present. PPK is not suppressed at all at anytime. He loses it towards the end, having to make do with the scrounged P226 but then gets another PPK for the final sequence. I think he will use the PPK from now on, or until Q gives him a PPS 8-)
If Q will comeback remember, no one can do Q as Desmond Llewelyn did. And for me Q just was good for the classic Bond movies, Q would destroy the modern Bond.
The P99 fitted Craig very well, and therefor would the PPS fit Craig good to, the PPS isn´t so ugly, afterall I like with silencer, but it is fun with some iconic Bond left and therefor I want the PPK to stay.
You know in America it’s “bling, bling”, but out here it’s “bling, bang”.
As i like James Bond novels and guns in general, i wanted to mention something i read in a gun mag some years before.
Leroy Thompson (a well known US-gunwriter) stated that Ian Fleming met Peter Mason (that-time-still-spy-for-the-UK) and his wife.
He was shown a compact Fairbairn Sykes sleeve dagger (they do exist!) and Mr. Masons backup gun, a Walther PPK.
Fleming had already been informed at that time that the Beretta .25 was a girlish gun (by readers or Boothroyd or both), but he still wanted an automatic pistol, seemingly by all means.
Mason showed him his PPK backup (!) pistol that he carried at that time.
However, Mason carried a Browning High Power 9mm as his main pistol, which Fleming did not realize.
Therefore, he is supposed to have chosen the Walther for Bond in Dr. No as 007s main gun.
A .32 acp, which is nowaday not considered a manstopper by any means, not even with a decent hollow point. Back then, maybe even with FMJ ammo, it was a serious contender.
Thompson has quoted this incident in a magazine and seems in fact to own the dagger out of Mason´ s heritage.
You know in America it’s “bling, bling”, but out here it’s “bling, bang”.
Asp9mmOver the Hills and Far Away.Posts: 7,485MI6 Agent
I know Leroy Thompson, and I also know of the Mason connection. It is without doubt that Fleming was influenced by both Boothroyd and Mason in selecting the PPK.
As for the reintroduction of Q, this will be a more serious role in fitting with the harder more realistic direction Bond is going down.
Though the PPK might be considered too 'weak' as a pistol, you still have to suspend your disbelief because after all, it's still a fictional story.
Also, I can't see the people behind the Bond films going with the Walther PPS. In the real world, it would be ideal for the world's leading super-spy due to it's slim frame and adequate caliber. But it's just not prety enough to be Bond's gun!
In terms of stopping power and looks, the P99 - you could also include the SIG P226 - is a perfect gun for Bond; however I'd like to see you try and conceal it beneath a tailored tuxedo!
For me, I'd be happy if they continued using the PPK. In fact, I was actually suprised when they chose it over the P99 for QOS. It's nice to see that even though the Bond films are changing, small things like this remain the same.
(Oh and hi everybody, I'm new here. I'm also a bit of a gun-nut.)
Asp9mmOver the Hills and Far Away.Posts: 7,485MI6 Agent
Hey Asp9mm, do you ever get a look at the Vega holster in the movie, or do you just know through your "usual sources" which I have learned not to doubt?
I'd assume it's a smaller version (which means I'll be getting a smaller version... sigh).
Asp9mmOver the Hills and Far Away.Posts: 7,485MI6 Agent
You never see the Vega, but I've got it on good authority from two independant sources that the model used was the Vega IB333.
I am waiting for the American premier, from the scenes I have seen Bonds carrying a PPK and if they wanted to keep him carrying the PPK they could have easily upgraded to the PPKS firing the 9mm kurtz round. Most folks would not have known the difference. As for myself I liked what was carried in NSNA the P-5 so for me thats my input. I figured he carries the P-99 in QOS since thats what he used in Casino and Brosnan carried it for what 3 movies I think.
James003, you have slight confusion with the PPK and the PPK/S.
Both guns can fire the 7.62mm (.32) and the 9x17mm (.380) rounds. However, the PPK/S uses a regular PPK slide, but on a PP frame.
It's a bit confusing I know, I only discovered the difference the other day myself.
So techincally, Bond could keep using the PPK but chambered in 9x17mm. However, this is still considered to be a bit weak compared to the 9x19mm round in the P99.
Correct Carter but if you look on the side of the P P K S put out by Smith and Wesson it states 9mm kurtz or .380 cal I was intending to purchase on as a back up for my ankle holster if you use gold speer hollow point with it its a definite man stopper but as I stated in my previous post I am purchasing the P-5 as well and my two favorite Bonds so far is Connery and Craig with Dalton as a third choice Oh for the groups interest I am also getting (wait for it ) a AR7 charter arms 22 cal survival rifle. I am contemplating doing away with the plastic stock and replacing it with the type from FRWL by by purchasing a wooden stock and getting the cutting and shaping done by a woodworker I know, then when I go to certain convention were I live I can show it off.
It is written: "Sometimes you must kill one to warn a hundred, I may have to kill a hundred to warn one". A good Bond like saying
Correct Carter but if you look on the side of the P P K S put out by Smith and Wesson it states 9mm kurtz or .380 cal I was intending to purchase on as a back up for my ankle holster if you use gold speer hollow point with it its a definite man stopper but as I stated in my previous post I am purchasing the P-5 as well and my two favorite Bonds so far is Connery and Craig with Dalton as a third choice Oh for the groups interest I am also getting (wait for it ) a AR7 charter arms 22 cal survival rifle. I am contemplating doing away with the plastic stock and replacing it with the type from FRWL by by purchasing a wooden stock and getting the cutting and shaping done by a woodworker I know, then when I go to certain convention were I live I can show it off.
It is written: "Sometimes you must kill one to warn a hundred, I may have to kill a hundred to warn one". A good Bond like saying
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http://www.imfdb.org/images/b/b0/Vlcsnap-267031.jpg
And look, both those two bad boys are married.
You know, I hate doing this...but it is a copyrighted image from Eon...just a link please....a very miffed..Sir Miles.
So is this a spoiler?: Bond 23; "Widowmaker"
-Mr Arlington Beech
I just picked up a copy of the new Casino Royale 3-disk set and it includes the extended lead-in to the bathroom fight at the cricket match. Bond is armed with a PPK there... briefly. And that chronologically preceeds him using a P99. So I think he is issued both and uses whichever one he feels is appropriate (like Robert DeNiro's 'toolbox' speach from Ronin). It seems that other MI6 agents we've seen have carried SIG P226s. Carter, at the beginning of CR and another agent in QoS will be using one (which may be where Bond get's it).
I'm still clinging to the tidbit that one of the writers dropped several months ago about Bond getting the PPK in a way that will please the fans (something to add to the mythology like him winning the DB5). I hope it makes the cut so we can put this all to rest... until Bond 23 when he starts carrying the PPS
I'm pretty sure the Smith & Wesson snubnose in the case is the M&P 360 Chief's Special,13.3 oz. in weight and chambered in .357.
As to Camille's pistol,my first thought was that it was a Sig P239,but none of the pix so far are
of sufficient sharpness to be sure.(31at Oct. thought:maybe her gun is a Rohrbaugh?)
Lastly, over on CBn, there is a photo of Craig wearing a shoulder holster with the P226(most likely) in it.
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http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/3029/80746081xz2.jpg
Here,hopefully is a link:
http://debrief.commanderbond.net/index.php?=48740&st=720
Go to page 25,post#720. The pic does look posed,like an ad for Galco or whoever made the holster.
The thread also has a fair amount of gun pics,both PPK and Sigs.
Amdrag,you beat me to the draw,and you're probably right.
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On one occation a crimminal with a more powerfull firearm started a firefight against several swedish policemen. After being hit NINE times he kept walking towards them while fireing his weapon. Only then did one of the officers manage to stop the gunman by putting one between his eyes.
Swedish police now have SIG 226 and Norway is giving the police HK 3000's to replace old S&W 38's. Bodyguards and SWAT will have Glock 17.
The Danish police switched to a +P ammunition and the frames on the PP started to gall and otherwise take quite a pounding.
Walther solved this problem by replacing the slide with another that did not have the loaded chamber indicator thus making the slide heavier and slowing the recoil.
Around two hundred of these pistols were modified in this manner, the rest being delivered new with the heavier slide already installed.
I have one of the first two hundred modified with the heavier slide. The serial number is scribed into the underside of the slide instead of being stamped on the outside of the slide to match the barrel and frame.
The pistol came with the original serial numbered box, with a tag in Danish on the underside of the lid, cleaning rod, extra magazine and the manual.
Quite valuable today and a welcome addition to my collection.
His PPK is the main sidearm from the start to virtually the finish. He picks up the P226 towards the end from a victim. A shoulder holster is never used. The UMP appears very briefly. The fanwanky moment is not there. Plenty of PPK fanwanky moments, although an explanation to how and where it comes from is not present. PPK is not suppressed at all at anytime. He loses it towards the end, having to make do with the scrounged P226 but then gets another PPK for the final sequence. I think he will use the PPK from now on, or until Q gives him a PPS 8-)
If Q will comeback remember, no one can do Q as Desmond Llewelyn did. And for me Q just was good for the classic Bond movies, Q would destroy the modern Bond.
The P99 fitted Craig very well, and therefor would the PPS fit Craig good to, the PPS isn´t so ugly, afterall I like with silencer, but it is fun with some iconic Bond left and therefor I want the PPK to stay.
As i like James Bond novels and guns in general, i wanted to mention something i read in a gun mag some years before.
Leroy Thompson (a well known US-gunwriter) stated that Ian Fleming met Peter Mason (that-time-still-spy-for-the-UK) and his wife.
He was shown a compact Fairbairn Sykes sleeve dagger (they do exist!) and Mr. Masons backup gun, a Walther PPK.
Fleming had already been informed at that time that the Beretta .25 was a girlish gun (by readers or Boothroyd or both), but he still wanted an automatic pistol, seemingly by all means.
Mason showed him his PPK backup (!) pistol that he carried at that time.
However, Mason carried a Browning High Power 9mm as his main pistol, which Fleming did not realize.
Therefore, he is supposed to have chosen the Walther for Bond in Dr. No as 007s main gun.
A .32 acp, which is nowaday not considered a manstopper by any means, not even with a decent hollow point. Back then, maybe even with FMJ ammo, it was a serious contender.
Thompson has quoted this incident in a magazine and seems in fact to own the dagger out of Mason´ s heritage.
Can anyone here shed any serious light on this ?
here is a "Mason" link, which makes the story somewhat credible for me.
If you look at Prue Mason´s shoes, something might click :
http://www.museumofworldwarii.com/TourText/Area19_Cold_War_Peter_Mason_new.htm
As for the reintroduction of Q, this will be a more serious role in fitting with the harder more realistic direction Bond is going down.
Also, I can't see the people behind the Bond films going with the Walther PPS. In the real world, it would be ideal for the world's leading super-spy due to it's slim frame and adequate caliber. But it's just not prety enough to be Bond's gun!
In terms of stopping power and looks, the P99 - you could also include the SIG P226 - is a perfect gun for Bond; however I'd like to see you try and conceal it beneath a tailored tuxedo!
For me, I'd be happy if they continued using the PPK. In fact, I was actually suprised when they chose it over the P99 for QOS. It's nice to see that even though the Bond films are changing, small things like this remain the same.
(Oh and hi everybody, I'm new here. I'm also a bit of a gun-nut.)
Yes, he picks it up from a fellow SIS officer and uses it for much of the final action sequence.
I'd assume it's a smaller version (which means I'll be getting a smaller version... sigh).
Both guns can fire the 7.62mm (.32) and the 9x17mm (.380) rounds. However, the PPK/S uses a regular PPK slide, but on a PP frame.
It's a bit confusing I know, I only discovered the difference the other day myself.
So techincally, Bond could keep using the PPK but chambered in 9x17mm. However, this is still considered to be a bit weak compared to the 9x19mm round in the P99.
It is written: "Sometimes you must kill one to warn a hundred, I may have to kill a hundred to warn one". A good Bond like saying
It is written: "Sometimes you must kill one to warn a hundred, I may have to kill a hundred to warn one". A good Bond like saying