Novel 6 Suggestion & Criticism Thread

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  • deliciousdelicious SydneyPosts: 371MI6 Agent
    darenhat wrote:

    Anyway,my entry's in.I'm the first to acknowledge that it's not very good, but I definitely intend to revise it.If I've inadvertantly put something in there that seems out of place,let me know-I'll happily alter what's been written.

    I've suggested that Baba Yaga might be younger than she appears in order to offer the possibility of her being perhaps a master of disguise and therefore(if this sounds worthwhile)an important associate of Mr.X.Obviously,if 007 doesn't really know what she looks like,Baba(or whatever other name she might have)will thus be able to conceivably present a greater-even an initimate-threat to 007 and indeed the rest of X's victims.

    You're selling yourself short, WG. Your entry is excellent and has put Bond on the trail behind Baba -- the next link in the chain stretching from Carter to the mysterious Mr X. I like the fact that you left Baba's identity a bit elusive as I was thinking what she would have been like if she hadn't necessarily matched the stereotypical mythological description.

    Does anyone have any ideas how Baba Yaga (in our story) got her name? Did the locals give her that name because of supposed acts of magic she had done? Or is it a cover she adopted to keep people in fear and awe of her?

    I agree with darenhat - I particularly love your knowledge and attention to detail with respect to the weapons and hand-to-hand combat. I will be calling on you to help me to make my own fight scenes more detailed and accurate.
  • deliciousdelicious SydneyPosts: 371MI6 Agent
    More on the human trafficking - it dovetails well with the identity theft theme. Those sold couild be given new identities so they cant be traced or maybe their original identities become used by criminals.
  • DAWUSSDAWUSS My homepagePosts: 517MI6 Agent
    New entry - I know, it's far from great... I was in the mood for a fight scene, and figured that if Baba Yaga could be that agile, she could be able to provide a decent combat partner in a good ol' brawl.

    I'll probably edit the transition some time down the road (or leave it to the editing staff... who knows right now).

    I basically started on it, came back, had writers block when I came back (and RL issues really help with that lol), edited out the final 5 sentences and replaced them with the last two.

    Perhaps this could set up Bond's "torture scene" and the introduction of "Mr. X"
  • darenhatdarenhat The Old PuebloPosts: 2,029Quartermasters
    edited June 2007
    Okay...my entry's in. Thanks, DAWUSS, for setting up the torture scene so well. I couldn't ask for better.

    The entry's a little lengthy, but I wanted to get Bond back to the plane where scaramanga1 started us. I picture the plane being a vital component to whatever Baba Yaga and Mister X were scheming, and the next clue in Bond's investigation. I base this on what SC1 wrote in the opening paragraph about Bond having to get the plane to Addlestone 'preferrably in one piece'

    I imagine the plane to be fitted with sled gear for take off and landing on ice, rather than regular wheels. I mention this only because 1) if the plane was set for a non-icy destination, then landing must not have been important to the mission (hmmm suspicious) and 2) it puts Bond in a pickle for landing it in one piece back in England.

    But of course, that all is up to scaramanga1 and what he wants to write.
  • Willie GarvinWillie Garvin Posts: 1,412MI6 Agent
    edited June 2007
    Wow.First Dawuss sets the stage with a very enthusiatic entry, and then Darenhat's contribution arrives!

    Excellent stuff,Daren.You've really raised the bar for us all...:)
  • deliciousdelicious SydneyPosts: 371MI6 Agent
    Whos' next?
  • Willie GarvinWillie Garvin Posts: 1,412MI6 Agent
    That'd be Scaramanga 1.
  • darenhatdarenhat The Old PuebloPosts: 2,029Quartermasters
    Wow.First Dawuss sets the stage with a very enthusiatic entry, and then Darenhat's contribution arrives!

    Excellent stuff,Daren.You've really raised the bar for us all...:)

    Thanks, Willie.

    I've gone back and fixed a few typos, and smoothed over some awkward phrasing here and there.

    Another thing I've been giving some thought is how to give the glassworks a legitimate purpose to the villain's plot, rather than just using it as colorful location for one particular scene. Anyone have any thoughts?
  • Willie GarvinWillie Garvin Posts: 1,412MI6 Agent
    Perhaps there's something else going on either in or behind or even under the glassworks,itself.

    Is this an old abandoned/semi abandoned site with a few working kilns, or is it one that's in operation on a regular basis?Either way, it could serve as a front for something else entirely.

    For example:

    What if Baba Yaga has a hideout in/under/above/nearby the glassworks?What if she contacts Mr.X from that particular location?
  • DAWUSSDAWUSS My homepagePosts: 517MI6 Agent
    I'll admit, I actually wanted to stick the fight scene on the plane (in typical film-Bond fashion), but when we started throwing "torture scene" around, I realized I wasn't going to make it there.

    The torture scene was good, though. :)
  • darenhatdarenhat The Old PuebloPosts: 2,029Quartermasters
    DAWUSS wrote:
    I'll admit, I actually wanted to stick the fight scene on the plane (in typical film-Bond fashion)

    Call me uncouth, but I don't see any reason why we still couldn't pull this off. I kinda hinted at another individual named 'Magnus' who's lurking around, so who knows... ;)
  • deliciousdelicious SydneyPosts: 371MI6 Agent
    Some other popular things abouit Finnish culture are:

    1. saunas
    2. mobile phones (Nokia)
    3. coffee
  • scaramanga1scaramanga1 The English RivieraPosts: 845Chief of Staff
    Hi guys -I think this start to the novel is going well -we seem to be looking at good background info and are really trying to create an interesting and exciting start to the novel -however pacing is important -we don't want the novel to come at the reader like a machine gun -so I suggest we don't get carried away with including too many action scenes too quickly. We need to make the story feel more like a novel than a film treatment.

    Anyway good work so far -I will probably contribute my part either later today or tomorrow at the latest. Just got to do a bit of research first. :)
  • deliciousdelicious SydneyPosts: 371MI6 Agent
    Guilty as charged.

    I wrote screenplays before I started trying to write straight prose. I also tend to see Bond cinematically. I like being able to sketch out a scene as though it was in a movie and then add background and descriptive padding later on. I also like the minimalism of screenplay as novels can get too wordy/verbose. There a are lots of inconsistencies between the scenes written so far so Im not too worried if the scenes are "impressionistic" - we can always work through the consistency issues later.
  • darenhatdarenhat The Old PuebloPosts: 2,029Quartermasters
    I agree. Once we have a better grasp of where we're taking the story, I think things will smooth out. As a first pass, anything we throw in, we can take out later.
  • DAWUSSDAWUSS My homepagePosts: 517MI6 Agent
    I've always seen a PTS segment as sort of that "machine gun" where the reader is quickly being shot a lot of things in a short amount of time, and once the PTS is over, things slow down a little bit and catch their breath.


    But yeah, knowing where the story will go will help (at least in the general sense - I'm used to letting stories develop on their own). And I wonder if it's any bit evident that we didn't have too much of a clue as to where the story was going during what we have down currently...
  • darenhatdarenhat The Old PuebloPosts: 2,029Quartermasters
    DAWUSS wrote:
    I've always seen a PTS segment as sort of that "machine gun" where the reader is quickly being shot a lot of things in a short amount of time, and once the PTS is over, things slow down a little bit and catch their breath.

    I like the way this PTS is shaping up in that regard. Bond showed up to take care of Carter but is uncovering more than he bargained for. Once Bond gets out of Finland alive, he'll then be able to digest and analyze everything that has taken place.
  • scaramanga1scaramanga1 The English RivieraPosts: 845Chief of Staff
    Ok -I've not finished my post -but have made a start on it -I will be coming back to it tomorrow and then PM the next in line ready for it to continue. :)

    Due to my two year old I haven't had chance to write all I wanted to in one sitting.
  • 007AB007AB Posts: 2MI6 Agent
    Material for a bond book. Anthony Brina has published a book titles Suburban Spies. The true story tells of very strange occurences of surveillance, sabotage, sever harrassement for a span of 5 years. At this time he discovers he was actually a target of a secret government program. This is a true story. He wrote the book not knowing he had been made a target. The story has him stalked and followed all over the world and an attempt was made on his life. The story is like a Bond where the government has turned their back on him. This should make for good insights to Bond like situations and stories.
    His blod is at http://anthonybrina.blogspot.com/
  • darenhatdarenhat The Old PuebloPosts: 2,029Quartermasters
    edited June 2007
    Ok -I've not finished my post -but have made a start on it -I will be coming back to it tomorrow and then PM the next in line ready for it to continue. :)

    Due to my two year old I haven't had chance to write all I wanted to in one sitting.

    I'm liking it so far, and I'm looking forward to where you take it. Bond does need a break, but more importantly, I think he needs information. Is the keeper of this cabin perchance someone who knows something of the strange affairs of the glass works?


    I like delicious's idea about Baba Yaga being a human trafficking connection for Mister X. Perhaps Mister X is taking select individuals provided by Baba Yaga, brainwashing them, giving them new identities (stolen by some other henchman located in India) and using them for his own nefarious plans?

    Could the plane be a tool to carry a cargo of individuals?
  • deliciousdelicious SydneyPosts: 371MI6 Agent
    Based on scaramanga's first post, Bond needs to have done the following:

    1. Found and killed Carter after finding out where his contact "an old woman" could be found.

    2. Found the old woman [who we are calling Baba Yaga at the moment]. Finding out as much as possible from her about Mister X and then probably killing her to break the link. Bond should have a good lead that will get him closer to Mister X.

    3. Get drunk. Partly because killing Carter had been disagreeable and for other reasons maybe.

    4. Return to England in a plane with the information.
  • deliciousdelicious SydneyPosts: 371MI6 Agent
    What is our villain's ultimate goal?

    Before we can really develop a plot we need to determine what our antagonist is trying to achieve.

    The last three movies:

    In Casino Royale, Le Chiffre was trying to make a lot of money - he invested money so that the sabotage of a new prototype airplane would allow his to make a killing on the stock market. When Bond foiled this plan he was forced to set up the game at Casino Royale to get his investor's money back before he was killed by them. So Le Chiffre was motivated firstly by greed and later by self-preservation.

    In Die Another Day Colonel Moon/Gustav Graves was trying to restore the honour of Korea by making it a major military power using the Icarus Satellite Weapon. He also had "anger issues" and was wanted his father's approval and thought that being successful in war might earn that. The Art of War's philosophy guided him. The hovercraft were a less ambitious way that he hoped to cross the minefield of the DMZ.

    In The World is Not Enough Elektra King is a woman with great powers of persuasion who resents the rape of Azerbaijan's resources by the Soviets and her father's control of the oil empire inherited from her mother's side of the family. So in a way she hates both the Soviets and the West. Renard is simply motivated by chaos and is more than willing to help her to bring dowen the West. His terminal injury means he can only support her in her future as he has none of his own.

    So if our villain is obessed with identity theft, what does he ultimately want to achieve with it?

    Greed
    Power
    Revenge
    Hatred
    Desire/Love
    Insanity
    Blackmail
    Envy
    etc.

    Identity Theft can be used to:

    - steal money
    - access restricted areas/places (eg faciliate terrorism)
    - get innocent people blamed for criminal acts
    - maintain anonymity and make a person untraceable and free to move around the world

    Identity theft reached its ultimate expression in DAD with the gene therapy of Colonel Moon and Zao.

    How does our villain steal identities? Is he simply a hacker who can get access to people's credit card numbers, are we talking about changing fingerprints somehow (a new form of cosmetic surgery?), or what?

    Identity is made up of the following elements:

    - documents (passports, birth certificates, drivers licenses etc)
    - electronic IDs such as usernames and passwords
    - fingerprints, retina patterns
    - photographs and video (facial characteristics)
    - voice print
    - distinguishing marks like tattoos and birthmarks
    - DNA

    So which if not all of these elements (and there may be others I've overlooked) is our villain tampering with?
  • darenhatdarenhat The Old PuebloPosts: 2,029Quartermasters
    I can see the villian driven by greed, primarily, and a thirst for power to a degree. What are ways one would use identity theft to facilitate this? And how would this involve MI6?

    Carter was a double-agent, stealing information to be passed on to Mister X. What information would MI6 have that would feed his thirst for greed (assuming this was his primary motivation)?

    I would think anyone using identity theft as a MO would not be the 'megolamaniac' type bent on absolute power. Instead, he would be more of a sly, stealthy behind the scenes type. If he achieves anything, he wouldn't want to draw attention to himself.

    Perhaps Mister X is creating a 'fifth column army' within governments and corporations, and selling 'services' to different clients. For instance, Carter (this is just a hypothetical idea) infiltrated MI6 using a stolen identity and history. Mister X uses him as a source when the Russians (or some other government) wants some particular info. Of course, Mister X gets a handsome fee, passes the request to Carter, who retrieves the info and sends it along.

    The model can be far reaching: "Mister X" a gentleman asks, "I would like to see a minor financial crisis occur with the Bank of England. Could this be arranged?" Mister X replies: "I believe I have just the sort of man for something like that" he then contacts his planted sabatour. Mister X could be building an entire network for selling state secrets, industrial science, bypassing securities, etc. all for financial gain.

    This also would explain why he goes by the name of Mister X - since he wouldn't want anyone to associate his real identity with his villianous acts.

    To build this 'legion' he would need people. Bribing people to join his 'legion' would be, IMO, messy and dangerous. You can't trust a traitor and you constantly run the risk of them betraying them. A powerful brainwashing technique to ensure full loyalty would be the ideal. I see this as where Baba Yaga comes in - supplying individuals for his scheme.
  • scaramanga1scaramanga1 The English RivieraPosts: 845Chief of Staff
    Sorry -I haven't had time to do what I wanted so I've passed the baton on to delicious. I've outlined what I had in mind in a PM so hopefully it will develop pretty much in the same way.
  • deliciousdelicious SydneyPosts: 371MI6 Agent
    I think Bond is overdue for some lovin'. How about he staggers through the snow and collapses and is found by a beautiful Finnish woman who take him in and then we can have a love scene and Bond can get drunk as well which will tie in with his hangover the enxt day. The girl could also be a good source of information as she may know Baba Yaga.

    I wont write it until Ive got approval from the group.
  • DAWUSSDAWUSS My homepagePosts: 517MI6 Agent
    delicious wrote:
    How does our villain steal identities? Is he simply a hacker who can get access to people's credit card numbers, are we talking about changing fingerprints somehow (a new form of cosmetic surgery?), or what?

    Identity is made up of the following elements:

    - documents (passports, birth certificates, drivers licenses etc)
    - electronic IDs such as usernames and passwords
    - fingerprints, retina patterns
    - photographs and video (facial characteristics)
    - voice print
    - distinguishing marks like tattoos and birthmarks
    - DNA

    So which if not all of these elements (and there may be others I've overlooked) is our villain tampering with?

    I was thinking about having a hacker as one of the characters, but aside from that, I think it could be one of those things that builds up as the story goes along - simple things at first, but then more complicated as the story goes along (as long as it doesn't get too OTT or sci-fi [personal preference])
    darenhat wrote:
    I can see the villian driven by greed, primarily, and a thirst for power to a degree. What are ways one would use identity theft to facilitate this? And how would this involve MI6?

    Carter was a double-agent, stealing information to be passed on to Mister X. What information would MI6 have that would feed his thirst for greed (assuming this was his primary motivation)?

    I would think anyone using identity theft as a MO would not be the 'megolamaniac' type bent on absolute power. Instead, he would be more of a sly, stealthy behind the scenes type. If he achieves anything, he wouldn't want to draw attention to himself.

    Perhaps Mister X is creating a 'fifth column army' within governments and corporations, and selling 'services' to different clients. For instance, Carter (this is just a hypothetical idea) infiltrated MI6 using a stolen identity and history. Mister X uses him as a source when the Russians (or some other government) wants some particular info. Of course, Mister X gets a handsome fee, passes the request to Carter, who retrieves the info and sends it along.

    The model can be far reaching: "Mister X" a gentleman asks, "I would like to see a minor financial crisis occur with the Bank of England. Could this be arranged?" Mister X replies: "I believe I have just the sort of man for something like that" he then contacts his planted sabatour. Mister X could be building an entire network for selling state secrets, industrial science, bypassing securities, etc. all for financial gain.

    This also would explain why he goes by the name of Mister X - since he wouldn't want anyone to associate his real identity with his villianous acts.

    To build this 'legion' he would need people. Bribing people to join his 'legion' would be, IMO, messy and dangerous. You can't trust a traitor and you constantly run the risk of them betraying them. A powerful brainwashing technique to ensure full loyalty would be the ideal. I see this as where Baba Yaga comes in - supplying individuals for his scheme.

    Couldn't "Mr. X" just run around with numerous aliases? IMO I still see Mr. X as kinda bland. Maybe he could even have names of people who don't exist...
    delicious wrote:
    I think Bond is overdue for some lovin'. How about he staggers through the snow and collapses and is found by a beautiful Finnish woman who take him in and then we can have a love scene and Bond can get drunk as well which will tie in with his hangover the enxt day. The girl could also be a good source of information as she may know Baba Yaga.

    I wont write it until Ive got approval from the group.

    I thought he was now on a plane out of there...

    Otherwise, yeah, Bond does need some love. I even thought of a few good innunendos for it, but again, they depend on the situation.
  • deliciousdelicious SydneyPosts: 371MI6 Agent
    He will end up on a plane but he still hasnt got the lead to Mr X. I just thought the cabin scene started by scarmanaga could be spiced up into a rescue/love scene.
  • darenhatdarenhat The Old PuebloPosts: 2,029Quartermasters
    edited June 2007
    delicious wrote:
    He will end up on a plane but he still hasnt got the lead to Mr X. I just thought the cabin scene started by scarmanaga could be spiced up into a rescue/love scene.

    Sounds good to me. :) Enjoy!
    DAWUSS wrote:
    Couldn't "Mr. X" just run around with numerous aliases? IMO I still see Mr. X as kinda bland. Maybe he could even have names of people who don't exist...

    The problem I see with "Mister X" (or whatever we end up calling him) running around executing his schemes is that it seems too much work for one person. I would think that in order for it to be a major threat which would eventually involve MI6, it would have to be a more sweeping operation, in which case 'X' would naturally be at the top of the food chain.

    I like the idea that he uses different aliases - livig alter egos, if you will. MI6 would have dossiers on several individuals - only to realize that they are all the same person.
  • deliciousdelicious SydneyPosts: 371MI6 Agent
    I should have the scene posted by Sunday.
  • deliciousdelicious SydneyPosts: 371MI6 Agent
    OK I've rescued Bond, he's sorte out Magnus, had a few drinks and made a new friend, Lissa.

    The next scene would be him getting to the plane and hijacking it.

    With apologies to scarmanaga and darenhat I have changed their entries slightly so that the weather is a major threat when Bond finds himself outside again. I have also alluded to Seppo dripping molten glass onto him during the torture scene which darenhat will have to incorporate if he's happy with the idea.

    Through the character of Lissa I've tried to give the reader a glimpse into some of Baba Yaga's criminal activities. Im not sure if Lissa would fall for Bond so soon after escaping the vile attentions of Magnus but would welcome some feedback from the rest of the group ss to whether it sits well or is too contrived and rushed. I could always change her to feeling grateful for her freedom and wishing she could see hima gain. She and Bond might meet again later in the novel and have a love scene then. or she could just be tied off as a minor character who we dont see again.
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