Baretta??? pfftttt...... Not nice guns (well I do like their shotguns), but the handguns arent great......
Beretta make great shotguns - I have a .12 bore 687 multi-choke sport, and it's still like new after 20 odd years use. The pistols are ok, but the American-made ones are inferior to the Italian ones. I owned a 92 FS, and changed it in favour of a Browning hp-35. The first pull of the 92 on DA is terrible, the trigger is way out there and extremely heavy. The gun was also tinny and toy-like. Stripping it is also unnecessarily awkward.
Agreed, shotguns are lovely to shoot and nicely made.
If i was buying a pistol for use everyday, it would be glock or H&K
Keep in mind Beretta was the selection of JSSAP in the 70s and it's successor the XM9 program in the 80s where the 92F/M9 tied with the Sig P226 but was the selection due to better bidding on the part of Beretta. These tests were redone even later, known as the XM10 trials and again the M9 won out so I find it interesting you would suggest there are issues with the Beretta. I do agree, that the US made Berettas, like the US made Walthers are inferior to their home country made versions, unfortunate but seemingly true.
Beretta make great shotguns - I have a .12 bore 687 multi-choke sport, and it's still like new after 20 odd years use. The pistols are ok, but the American-made ones are inferior to the Italian ones. I owned a 92 FS, and changed it in favour of a Browning hp-35. The first pull of the 92 on DA is terrible, the trigger is way out there and extremely heavy. The gun was also tinny and toy-like. Stripping it is also unnecessarily awkward.
Agreed, shotguns are lovely to shoot and nicely made.
If i was buying a pistol for use everyday, it would be glock or H&K
Keep in mind Beretta was the selection of JSSAP in the 70s and it's successor the XM9 program in the 80s where the 92F/M9 tied with the Sig P226 but was the selection due to better bidding on the part of Beretta. These tests were redone even later, known as the XM10 trials and again the M9 won out so I find it interesting you would suggest there are issues with the Beretta. I do agree, that the US made Berettas, like the US made Walthers are inferior to their home country made versions, unfortunate but seemingly true.
I have no idea why American-made Walthers and Berettas are so bad. To be fair, the Berettas always seemed fine to me, but I've shot P99's and there is a vast difference. Colts and Smith & Wessons of the 70's to 90's were so good they were probably a world benchmark - I guess things are made to budget nowadays.
The sig P226 would have been an all-round better choice for the US military - and now so many military units and law-enforcement agencies use the sig anyway...
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Glocks are functional, durable and practical. When I say they're a bit souless I mean that they are a bit plain and tool-like. Take a kitchen knife for example. All you need is something with an 8" blade, and sharp. Most people will do 99.9% of what they need to do with that. But people spend hundreds, sometimes over a thousand pounds on sets of knives with different implements, blade lengths, racks/blocks/holders - and it's all down to personal taste. You don't actually need any of these things.
I've used a few Glocks and they're all OK. But a custom-made Safari Arms 1911 model with adjustable front and rear sights, rubber over-sized grips, hand-loaded .45 match ammunition will shoot it off the page. James Bond is a bit special so he needs a
well thought out weapon to suit him. Glocks are not special enough. He either needs his PPK with history and heritage or a new direction of customised "Q" guns with guttersnipe sights, full-auto function and specially tailored ammunition.
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Glocks are functional, durable and practical. When I say they're a bit souless I mean that they are a bit plain and tool-like. Take a kitchen knife for example. All you need is something with an 8" blade, and sharp. Most people will do 99.9% of what they need to do with that. But people spend hundreds, sometimes over a thousand pounds on sets of knives with different implements, blade lengths, racks/blocks/holders - and it's all down to personal taste. You don't actually need any of these things.
I've used a few Glocks and they're all OK. But a custom-made Safari Arms 1911 model with adjustable front and rear sights, rubber over-sized grips, hand-loaded .45 match ammunition will shoot it off the page. James Bond is a bit special so he needs a
well thought out weapon to suit him. Glocks are not special enough. He either needs his PPK with history and heritage or a new direction of customised "Q" guns with guttersnipe sights, full-auto function and specially tailored ammunition.
Couldn't agree more with your assessment of the Glocks. They are souless. I've been sitting here in AF (again) for over 2 months now supporting SOF, the Marines, and of course our UK brothers. Some of my observations are that the Beretta, while it fills the requirement, doesn't seem to stand up to this environment very well. Almost every Marine I see has one now and they are all pretty beat up with the finish just about gone on them. Most of them look silver and the guys are telling me they are starting to have function issues. I am carrying a Sig 229, which so far has been reliable. I haven't seen, nor do I expect to see any customized weapons out here, with the exception of the occasional long gun. I carry an H&K 416 with EOtech reticle sights. That is pretty much the standard for my gang out here. As for the PPK, I look at it as a simple, yet elegant looking piece, which does the job it is intended for. A defensive weapon, easy to conceal, looks great with a Dinner Jacket, and is quite effective in the hands of some one who know how to use it.
Bond: "Who would spend $1 million to kill me?"
M: "Jealous husbands. Outraged chefs. Humiliated tailors. The list is endless!"
Glocks are functional, durable and practical. When I say they're a bit souless I mean that they are a bit plain and tool-like. Take a kitchen knife for example. All you need is something with an 8" blade, and sharp. Most people will do 99.9% of what they need to do with that. But people spend hundreds, sometimes over a thousand pounds on sets of knives with different implements, blade lengths, racks/blocks/holders - and it's all down to personal taste. You don't actually need any of these things.
I've used a few Glocks and they're all OK. But a custom-made Safari Arms 1911 model with adjustable front and rear sights, rubber over-sized grips, hand-loaded .45 match ammunition will shoot it off the page. James Bond is a bit special so he needs a
well thought out weapon to suit him. Glocks are not special enough. He either needs his PPK with history and heritage or a new direction of customised "Q" guns with guttersnipe sights, full-auto function and specially tailored ammunition.
I do agree with you actually - Bond is special and I know Glocks are a little plain looking even if I do like them...how about Bond with an 18c though!
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Couldn't agree more with your assessment of the Glocks. They are souless. I've been sitting here in AF (again) for over 2 months now supporting SOF, the Marines, and of course our UK brothers. Some of my observations are that the Beretta, while it fills the requirement, doesn't seem to stand up to this environment very well. Almost every Marine I see has one now and they are all pretty beat up with the finish just about gone on them. Most of them look silver and the guys are telling me they are starting to have function issues. I am carrying a Sig 229, which so far has been reliable. I haven't seen, nor do I expect to see any customized weapons out here, with the exception of the occasional long gun. I carry an H&K 416 with EOtech reticle sights. That is pretty much the standard for my gang out here. As for the PPK, I look at it as a simple, yet elegant looking piece, which does the job it is intended for. A defensive weapon, easy to conceal, looks great with a Dinner Jacket, and is quite effective in the hands of some one who know how to use it.
I would like to know what your opinion is of the HK 416. Like mst Norwegian males I used the HK AG3 (Norwegian-buildt G3 ), but now the armed forces have changed to 416`s. How is it compared to other assault rifles?
Glocks are functional, durable and practical. When I say they're a bit souless I mean that they are a bit plain and tool-like. Take a kitchen knife for example. All you need is something with an 8" blade, and sharp. Most people will do 99.9% of what they need to do with that. But people spend hundreds, sometimes over a thousand pounds on sets of knives with different implements, blade lengths, racks/blocks/holders - and it's all down to personal taste. You don't actually need any of these things.
I've used a few Glocks and they're all OK. But a custom-made Safari Arms 1911 model with adjustable front and rear sights, rubber over-sized grips, hand-loaded .45 match ammunition will shoot it off the page. James Bond is a bit special so he needs a
well thought out weapon to suit him. Glocks are not special enough. He either needs his PPK with history and heritage or a new direction of customised "Q" guns with guttersnipe sights, full-auto function and specially tailored ammunition.
Couldn't agree more with your assessment of the Glocks. They are souless. I've been sitting here in AF (again) for over 2 months now supporting SOF, the Marines, and of course our UK brothers. Some of my observations are that the Beretta, while it fills the requirement, doesn't seem to stand up to this environment very well. Almost every Marine I see has one now and they are all pretty beat up with the finish just about gone on them. Most of them look silver and the guys are telling me they are starting to have function issues. I am carrying a Sig 229, which so far has been reliable. I haven't seen, nor do I expect to see any customized weapons out here, with the exception of the occasional long gun. I carry an H&K 416 with EOtech reticle sights. That is pretty much the standard for my gang out here. As for the PPK, I look at it as a simple, yet elegant looking piece, which does the job it is intended for. A defensive weapon, easy to conceal, looks great with a Dinner Jacket, and is quite effective in the hands of some one who know how to use it.
Sounds like you've got some good kit there. I did a private security contract out there eight years ago, then one in Iraq - not a lover of either place and certainly not on my list of civvy tourist destinations. )
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Couldn't agree more with your assessment of the Glocks. They are souless. I've been sitting here in AF (again) for over 2 months now supporting SOF, the Marines, and of course our UK brothers. Some of my observations are that the Beretta, while it fills the requirement, doesn't seem to stand up to this environment very well. Almost every Marine I see has one now and they are all pretty beat up with the finish just about gone on them. Most of them look silver and the guys are telling me they are starting to have function issues. I am carrying a Sig 229, which so far has been reliable. I haven't seen, nor do I expect to see any customized weapons out here, with the exception of the occasional long gun. I carry an H&K 416 with EOtech reticle sights. That is pretty much the standard for my gang out here. As for the PPK, I look at it as a simple, yet elegant looking piece, which does the job it is intended for. A defensive weapon, easy to conceal, looks great with a Dinner Jacket, and is quite effective in the hands of some one who know how to use it.
I would like to know what your opinion is of the HK 416. Like mst Norwegian males I used the HK AG3 (Norwegian-buildt G3 ), but now the armed forces have changed to 416`s. How is it compared to other assault rifles?
To be honest I really do not have an opinion about it one way or another. It's a tool in my tool kit. I take care of it and it works when I need it. As far as comparing to other assult rifles, about the same as the M4, shorter barrel though, definitely better than the M16A2, prefer the G36C I used to carry, and I think a littel better than the MP5SD. Of course my choice of weapon has to be a great comms package. Nothing beats calling in the big boys when your executing the Taliban/Hellfire Rapid Integration program. )
Bond: "Who would spend $1 million to kill me?"
M: "Jealous husbands. Outraged chefs. Humiliated tailors. The list is endless!"
I've no knowledge of weaponry but some of the chat on this thread is interesting, could use some of this in a Bond film, in a conversational sort of way.
To be honest I really do not have an opinion about it one way or another. It's a tool in my tool kit. I take care of it and it works when I need it. As far as comparing to other assult rifles, about the same as the M4, shorter barrel though, definitely better than the M16A2, prefer the G36C I used to carry, and I think a littel better than the MP5SD. Of course my choice of weapon has to be a great comms package. Nothing beats calling in the big boys when your executing the Taliban/Hellfire Rapid Integration program. )
Thanks for the reply. Yes, today the radio is often a soldiers most powerfull weapon. Are you in the military or a private contractor? Stay safe!
Beretta make great shotguns - I have a .12 bore 687 multi-choke sport, and it's still like new after 20 odd years use. The pistols are ok, but the American-made ones are inferior to the Italian ones. I owned a 92 FS, and changed it in favour of a Browning hp-35. The first pull of the 92 on DA is terrible, the trigger is way out there and extremely heavy. The gun was also tinny and toy-like. Stripping it is also unnecessarily awkward.
Agreed, shotguns are lovely to shoot and nicely made.
If i was buying a pistol for use everyday, it would be glock or H&K
Keep in mind Beretta was the selection of JSSAP in the 70s and it's successor the XM9 program in the 80s where the 92F/M9 tied with the Sig P226 but was the selection due to better bidding on the part of Beretta. These tests were redone even later, known as the XM10 trials and again the M9 won out so I find it interesting you would suggest there are issues with the Beretta. I do agree, that the US made Berettas, like the US made Walthers are inferior to their home country made versions, unfortunate but seemingly true.
This was as much a political move as a practical one. The US needed to base GLCM in Europe at the time and Italy was one of the chosen spots. The Walther P88 didn't measure up during trials and we weren't going to base missiles in Switzerland. Italy won the new sidearm contract and we were able to place GLCM where we wanted it.
I own and shoot a modest collection of firearms, but I can't find myself caring much which pistol Bond carries, for some reason. For practical realism, I suppose it should be a 9mm of some sort due to the global ubiquity of the cartridge, but I don't suspect 'Bond struggling to find ammo' to be a plot point anytime soon.
On the subect of guns: The Norwegian Police Union just polled their members on general arming of the police force. 80% opposed carrying guns durring normal service, 20% wanted general arming av the police force and the rest were undecided. The poll was made before the terrorist attack this summer. In my opinon the arming of the police officers involved was not a factor on the 22nd. He blunders they made had nothing to do with this issue. Norwegian police are now handing in their 38. revolvers for Heckler & Kock and Glock automatics.
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Keep in mind Beretta was the selection of JSSAP in the 70s and it's successor the XM9 program in the 80s where the 92F/M9 tied with the Sig P226 but was the selection due to better bidding on the part of Beretta. These tests were redone even later, known as the XM10 trials and again the M9 won out so I find it interesting you would suggest there are issues with the Beretta. I do agree, that the US made Berettas, like the US made Walthers are inferior to their home country made versions, unfortunate but seemingly true.
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I have no idea why American-made Walthers and Berettas are so bad. To be fair, the Berettas always seemed fine to me, but I've shot P99's and there is a vast difference. Colts and Smith & Wessons of the 70's to 90's were so good they were probably a world benchmark - I guess things are made to budget nowadays.
The sig P226 would have been an all-round better choice for the US military - and now so many military units and law-enforcement agencies use the sig anyway...
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Glocks are functional, durable and practical. When I say they're a bit souless I mean that they are a bit plain and tool-like. Take a kitchen knife for example. All you need is something with an 8" blade, and sharp. Most people will do 99.9% of what they need to do with that. But people spend hundreds, sometimes over a thousand pounds on sets of knives with different implements, blade lengths, racks/blocks/holders - and it's all down to personal taste. You don't actually need any of these things.
I've used a few Glocks and they're all OK. But a custom-made Safari Arms 1911 model with adjustable front and rear sights, rubber over-sized grips, hand-loaded .45 match ammunition will shoot it off the page. James Bond is a bit special so he needs a
well thought out weapon to suit him. Glocks are not special enough. He either needs his PPK with history and heritage or a new direction of customised "Q" guns with guttersnipe sights, full-auto function and specially tailored ammunition.
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Couldn't agree more with your assessment of the Glocks. They are souless. I've been sitting here in AF (again) for over 2 months now supporting SOF, the Marines, and of course our UK brothers. Some of my observations are that the Beretta, while it fills the requirement, doesn't seem to stand up to this environment very well. Almost every Marine I see has one now and they are all pretty beat up with the finish just about gone on them. Most of them look silver and the guys are telling me they are starting to have function issues. I am carrying a Sig 229, which so far has been reliable. I haven't seen, nor do I expect to see any customized weapons out here, with the exception of the occasional long gun. I carry an H&K 416 with EOtech reticle sights. That is pretty much the standard for my gang out here. As for the PPK, I look at it as a simple, yet elegant looking piece, which does the job it is intended for. A defensive weapon, easy to conceal, looks great with a Dinner Jacket, and is quite effective in the hands of some one who know how to use it.
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2. Irony.
3. Lists.
I would like to know what your opinion is of the HK 416. Like mst Norwegian males I used the HK AG3 (Norwegian-buildt G3 ), but now the armed forces have changed to 416`s. How is it compared to other assault rifles?
Sounds like you've got some good kit there. I did a private security contract out there eight years ago, then one in Iraq - not a lover of either place and certainly not on my list of civvy tourist destinations.
Keep your eyes everywhere and stay safe. -{
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To be honest I really do not have an opinion about it one way or another. It's a tool in my tool kit. I take care of it and it works when I need it. As far as comparing to other assult rifles, about the same as the M4, shorter barrel though, definitely better than the M16A2, prefer the G36C I used to carry, and I think a littel better than the MP5SD. Of course my choice of weapon has to be a great comms package. Nothing beats calling in the big boys when your executing the Taliban/Hellfire Rapid Integration program.
M: "Jealous husbands. Outraged chefs. Humiliated tailors. The list is endless!"
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Thanks for the reply. Yes, today the radio is often a soldiers most powerfull weapon. Are you in the military or a private contractor? Stay safe!
This was as much a political move as a practical one. The US needed to base GLCM in Europe at the time and Italy was one of the chosen spots. The Walther P88 didn't measure up during trials and we weren't going to base missiles in Switzerland. Italy won the new sidearm contract and we were able to place GLCM where we wanted it.
Also where have people been getting that the SIS carry p226's? mi5 and mi6 agents dont even carry firearms, especially here in the UK
too much spooks I think, unless your talking about bond lore only.
I drove and helped to protect a few MI5 operatives in Northern Ireland. They carried handguns at all times.
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10 - YOU CAN TRADE IN AN OLD 44 FOR A NEW 22, NO QUESTIONS ASKED.
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ON THE ROAD.
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Going the way of Glock, I'm afraid. Starting to look the same throughout the range...
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