I love the Beretta, and if Bond went back to the fifties - it would be a must have for him. But it really wasn't much of a gun to bet your life on .....
LoeffelholzThe United States, With LovePosts: 8,993Quartermasters
7289...really thinking about a backup for Jade, circa 1942. .32 Colt semi-auto?
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"7289...really thinking about a backup for Jade, circa 1942. .32 Colt semi-auto?"
Would you mind if I offered my two cents on this one? Ignore if you're seeking person specific-advice; I won't mind. A Colt Model 1903 Pocket Hammerless in .32 ACP or Colt Model 1908 Pocket Hammerless (same gun, basically) in .380 ACP was often someone's primary carry piece in 1942. Your backup, sometimes held on the end of a watch fob, or in a pocket, or in a shoe, or other rather odd creative places was a Colt Model 1908 Vest Pocket Automatic in .25 ACP. Horribly weak, but arguably the best .25 ever made (the FN Browning Model 1906 also has a case). Now, I guess if you were carrying something pretty heavy, then you might want to go for one of the two Colt Pocket Hammerless models. But I think there's a logical compromise...
Another good one was made from 1919-1924: the long-forgotten but absolutely terrific and certainly compact Ortgies 7.65mm (a.k.a. .32 ACP). Made in Germany with all the quality one expected of a German gun, despite being made in the Weimar Republic. They could double in a pinch as target pistols and a number were carried by many a German police officer due to their reliability and accuracy. Also known to have carried an Ortgies: the famed bank robber John Dillinger. The Ortgies was also a VERY early striker-fired gun and, as such, really, REALLY weird in design compared to how we might perceive a striker-fired pistol today (i.e. a Glock). Reassambly is something akin to getting a Rubik's Cube right unless you have instructions in front of you and/or have memorized those instructions. For more info on these amazing little guns, go here...
Jade's pistol's are more interesting than Bond's since he has a wide open future, and poor old Bond is bound by all kinds of ties to the past.
The recommendations by Dalkowski110 are sound. There are so many weapons available that only your imagination can limit them. The only thing one can say for certain is that in the USA the most common firearms were rural orientated, .22's for rats and rabbits and .38's for storekeepers. It really isn't until the 1960's that a handgun culture starts to appear as a major "force" in the firearms market. However even in the 1930's there were vocal "amatuers" in the classic sense of the word like Elmer Keith trying to push the limits of handgun use.
But your average Cop or Shamus would be stuck on the .38 revolver, S&W or Colt and for "others" the more common autos would be .22's and .32's with the .380 straggling behind. Don't forget the 1911 Colt which would be a favorite of WW1 Vets who used t in the trenches. The Luger was also popular - and considered deadly - as was another WW1 pistol - the Mauser Broomhandle.
But to get to the original point, a .32 Colt backup would be a dandy!
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Thanks guys! Jade's everyday carry is a .38 S&W 'Military & Police' model, with a 2-inch barrel...and he's likely to have a .45 1911 hidden in his car if necessary. But I'm thinking something small for a pocket, or ankle rig, etc.
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"But I'm thinking something small for a pocket, or ankle rig, etc."
In that case, a Colt Model 1908 Vest Pocket Automatic in .25 ACP. Best .25 made until the 1990's in my opinion, although the FN Browning 1906 has its defenders. The latter is a bit better made, to be honest, albeit not by much, but it's also a little unwieldy for its size. For example, the safety is a bit more difficult to engage/disengage and you have to squeeze the grip a bit harder to disengage the grip safety, which might throw off aim. Still, the FN Browning 1906 does have a "crisper" trigger pull. Really, either one would be completely believable.
"It really isn't until the 1960's that a handgun culture starts to appear as a major "force" in the firearms market. However even in the 1930's there were vocal "amatuers" in the classic sense of the word like Elmer Keith trying to push the limits of handgun use."
Pretty much. And even then you had a lot of gunsmiths that just stuck to wildcatting rifle calibers. P.O. Ackley was a notable exception, though Ackley was more focused on creating a hunting handgun than a personal defense arm, and many of the platforms he used would be much too unwieldy/impractical as carry pieces. But some of the guys we now think of as being lightyears ahead of their time in cartridge development, especially Charles Newton, really didn't seem to care about handgun calibers. You did of course have John Browning as someone who cared very much about different handgunning platforms, but who really worked with existing calibers. Colt and Smith & Wesson both had their own brain trusts that developed pioneering calibers, but often, the manufacturers dragged their feet on releasing mass-production guns for said calibers. Best example of this is having the .357 Magnum introduced in 1934 while the first arguably-mass-production handgun that could handle it was the Smith & Wesson Model 19...which they started taking orders for in 1955. During that 21-year-long "lull," it was basically just Elmer Keith and Phil Sharpe modifying various and sundry K-Frame revolvers from Smith & Wesson. But I digress.
One fine gun not mentioned here that Law Enforcement absolutely loved was the .38 Super. Remember, the reason Keith thinks up the round that eventually becomes the .357 Magnum is because Smith & Wesson wants a competing, ballistically similar round. We may not think much of the .38 Super today, but in the early '40's, it was certainly a force to be reckoned with. One of the problems you might encounter, though, on what is certainly my favorite .38 Super...the Colt Government Model (i.e. the civilian 1911)...is that due it being a 1911 designed for different headspacing (on the rim rather than the case mouth), your target at 25 yards looks like more like a shotgun patterning board. Aftermarket barrels that corrected this problem didn't appear until the 1970's. Yet, for all its problems, I've met some ex-LEO's and read accounts of many people that swore by these guns. As per one former police officer: "I'm not really looking for minute of angle. If my life is in danger, I'm just looking for minute of bad guy."
"Don't forget the 1911 Colt which would be a favorite of WW1 Vets who used it in the trenches."
As well as G-Men or former G-Men, who were generally instructed to buy the early Colt Government Models (the civilian version of the 1911). I've also seen "Frankenstein" guns that incorporated parts of both where my best guess is that the guy who had brought his 1911 home with him was just buying parts from Colt to keep it in tip-top shape.
Speaking of G-Men and WWI vets, if your character is REALLY not predisposed toward subltlety, you can always have an M1918 BAR or Colt Monitor Machine Rifle (civilian BAR) or Colt R75 Machine Rifle (also a civilian BAR) as something your character carries around. These early BAR's were lighter than their WWII counterparts and had a higher rate of fire. But they still had 20 rounds of .30-06 firepower in a standard BAR mag. The Monitor in particular would be interesting, as it was the first firearm ever issued to the G-Men and to counter its high rate of fire, it was fitted with a Cutts muzzle compensator so it didn't become an anti-aircraft gun after the first two shots.
Sawed off shotguns, usually in 12 gauge, were also prevelant as self-defense guns before the 1934 National Firearms Act (then you had to pay a $200 tax to own one, which many individuals couldn't afford...if you had something like a Thompson Submachine Gun or a BAR in the first place, you could probably afford the tax, on the other hand). But you still did have some individuals (including MANY law enforcement officers and former law enforcement officers) who either paid the tax no attention or, alternately, paid it because they wanted to keep their trusted "car guns," as sawed-off shotguns were often called. Frank Hamer, the Texas Ranger famed for bringing down motorized bandits Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow, was one of the very first men to believe in the concept of a patrol car carbine (a Remington Model 8 semiautomatic rifle equipped with a specially-made 30-round, non-detachable magazine). Many officers just didn't think any rifle could beat their "car gun" until well after WWII and the introduction of civilian/WWII bringback M1 and M1A1 Carbines. Okay, I'm rambling, but I hope I'm at least being interesting or helpful.
By the way, are you gonna eat that?
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Much appreciated, Dalkowski110...I hope you'll check out my first Oscar Jade book, Blood & Ashes (set in December 1941), which I certainly hope you'll enjoy. You'll recognize the BAR, Colt 1911, Thompson .45 and others. My protagonist likes guns, as do his opponents :v
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Loeffelholz...sure! I always love the "just-before-and-just-after-the-outbreak-of-WWII in the US" AND "hardboiled detective" genres (Erle Stanley Gardner and Dashiell Hammett are two of my favorite authors), and this definitely looks right up my alley!
And yes, I guess one could describe me as a gun guy. I'm a collector of the most esoteric firearms designs you can think of (I'm particularly fond of pre-WWII German "guild quality" sporting arms, such as drillings and Mauser-action sporting rifles although just in general, I love the inter-War era) and also a somewhat-self-taught amateur gunsmith (for example, I can get "Saturday Night Special" type pistols working and cycling pretty well...I also fixed my Charter Arms AR-7 that when I purchased it for $50, jammed every single round). I'll be glad to offer firearms advice if you ever need it!
Always P99 with extended clip and little switch to turn it into a machine pistol, have that bad guys!
And like i said before naturally ppk as backup in ankle holster.
Plenty of handguns fire on full-auto. They are terribly hard to control and inaccurate. Best for bodyguards/protection operatives, and even then as a touching distance, fire and retreat strategy.
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Plenty of handguns fire on full-auto. They are terribly hard to control and inaccurate. Best for bodyguards/protection operatives, and even then as a touching distance, fire and retreat strategy.
Bingo. The reason things like the Glock 18 and Beretta 93R aren't put into mass production is simply because they're next to uncontrollable. Even stocked machine pistols like the Mauser Schnellfeuer (from way back in the 1930's) and MAC M-10 and MAC M-11 are essentially uncontrollable unless they have a forward grip (and yes, I know there are literally dozens of kits to give forward grips to the Ingram submachine guns, but I mean in stock configuration). A notable exception to all this is the well-liked Stechkin APS, but then from what've heard, the APS was REALLY barrel-heavy to control recoil. Besides, I've always thought of Bond as a guy who doesn't just shoot indiscriminately. If he were, "that damned Beretta" really WOULD have been the end of him. I still like the idea of a 1970's Interarms Walther PPK/S.
By the way, are you gonna eat that?
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The Stechkin is the same, you tend to have a verticle line of hits, it's almost as uncontrollable as the rest.
I guess it's still pretty innaccurate. When I watched one being fired, though, I just got the sense that the guy firing it was having a much easier time with it than the Glock 18 or the Beretta 93R.
Keep the Walther PPK 7,65 mm. The closer we can get to Ian Fleming the better. SOme might say "Well isn't it old and therefor outdated...?" No. It is still one of the best selling handguns in the world and it is as cool and beautiful as it has always been.
Even an MP5 with a shoulder stock is inacurate if you fire a sustained burst - after half a magazine you get the same effect on the target as two rounds with a shotgun using 00 buck. The holes are everywhere.
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"Even an MP5 with a shoulder stock is inacurate if you fire a sustained burst"
I'm well aware of that. Three-round bursts are optimal, five-round bursts are about the most you can get away with, at least if we're talking the usual 500-800 RPM cyclic rates. Even then, the latter isn't all that accurate with most guns. But even then you'll get the occassional "totally uncontrollable" guns like the MAC M-10 (and M-11 and M-11/9) where it's a combination of cyclic rate being too high and poor ergonomics.
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If they are chaning guns I'd vote for the Walther P5 it looks more high tech and dangerous. But, they're going to bring back the PPk and I'll still be happy.
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"Even an MP5 with a shoulder stock is inacurate if you fire a sustained burst"
I'm well aware of that. Three-round bursts are optimal, five-round bursts are about the most you can get away with, at least if we're talking the usual 500-800 RPM cyclic rates. Even then, the latter isn't all that accurate with most guns. But even then you'll get the occassional "totally uncontrollable" guns like the MAC M-10 (and M-11 and M-11/9) where it's a combination of cyclic rate being too high and poor ergonomics.
With a heavy supressor the MAC-10 isn't so bad for short bursts.
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If they are chaning guns I'd vote for the Walther P5 it looks more high tech and dangerous. But, they're going to bring back the PPk and I'll still be happy.
The P5 has been out of production for years. It's also overly large for a single-stack 9mm. I'd carry a PPK before a P5. But then, I'd carry the P99c or PPS before either of them
More like "Dirty Harry on Steroids." ) I knew someone would find that ridiculous gun, haha. But then, the whole purpose of the "car gun" was to have not only the Taylor Knockdown Value of a shotgun, but also the spread of the pellets. Very few LEO's loaded their car guns with anything but 00 Buck. They anticipated using them at close range, for one thing. Although most "car guns" had the stocks intact, some (including legendary Texas Ranger Frank Hamer's) had filed the wood down to just a stub.
"With a heavy supressor the MAC-10 isn't so bad for short bursts."
I guess you could make that case if equipped with something like a SIONICS noise suppressor (and not a dummy, either), although the ridiculously high cyclic rates for the M-11 and M-11/9 make them uncontrollable even with a suppressor.
By the way, are you gonna eat that?
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If they are going update Bond's handgun, then the PPS is is an excellent choice. It has all the features of a modern handgun, and the choice of either 6,7, or 8 rounds of 9x19mm ammunition. Though I would think most likely they will have him trade off between the PPK and P99 like he did in CR.*
* In the deleted scenes on the three disc DVD, the PPK appears in the scene of Bond shadowing Dryden's contact Fisher at the cricket game. In the final print of the film, it the gun he uses to kill Fisher with, thought due to the fast editing you cannot see it very well.
Only slightly related: I played Call of Dootie Black OPs with my nephew over the holidays. One of the main sidearms is the ASP 9mm. Once I figured that out I wouldn't use anything but the ASP. My nephew kept razzing me "Pick up an automatic weapon you dork!"
I'm nipping out to the states in a few weeks and my mate has lined up another gun-fest on the Union County (NJ) SWAT range. Amongst the goodies is an ASP 9mm - so I actually get to shoot one next month!
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If we are talking about a walter....and l have always been a massive fan of the PPK and still am so it should be a back up for Bond, but what about the new walter for 2011...the PPQ..
If they are chaning guns I'd vote for the Walther P5 it looks more high tech and dangerous. But, they're going to bring back the PPk and I'll still be happy.
I LOVE LOVE LOVE the P5. It is a let down that they stopped making them- though they were only single stack magazines with only 8 round capacity- but they were wonderfully accurate due to the dual recoil springs. I could hit targets at 25 yards with the one I had. I regret letting it go- and actually I had the rarer modified P5 that was made for the British called the P5c or P5 compact.
Loved it- and it felt very James Bond even though it was a bit fat/wide.
But what really makes the P5 wonderful to me is Sean Connery with it in Never Say Never Again
That gun with the long nose and big wide slide/frame- and the subdued police type look to it- just seemed like it was made for Sean Connery. Also, he is big enough to conceal carry one- Me, I would be better off with the P5 compact.
The next Bond film I would give Craig a bunch of pistols. Let him weild the PPK at times to keep the tradition alive- but have Q give him a high tech version of the ASP 2000. That is the ASp2000 just looks like it was made for Craig- very modern and cold- concealable but with more fire power than the PPK. But spice it up for the movie a bit and give it laser and infrared light built into the recoil guide spring rod so he can dial in shots at long range with the laser and in the dark with the infrared light when using night vision- and of course have it supressed too.
That makes me realize that its time to give Bond some good night vision glasses. Make them go with the ASP too- that would be very cool to come from Q Branch.
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That P5C is just a lovely gun, and it has the American-style magazine release, which is a must for combat-shooting (call me xenophobic, but I firmly believe that it should NOT take two hands to drop a magazine). They should have given Dalton that pistol and had Pierce carry it until they armed him with a P99C (but now I'm going on a tangent)...
Anyway, I have to get a pair of Nills hardwood grips for mine.
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Good suggustions all around, though I am pretty sure that on camera Bond will continue to use both the PPK and P99 for some time to come. If the armorer was able to convince the producers that a change was needed, then I am sure that the PPS would take over for the PPK and the P99 would be retained for when Bond is expecting major gun battles and needs some thing with better range and a bigger magazine.
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They are damn cutte little pistols though.....
Bond’s Beretta
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"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
Would you mind if I offered my two cents on this one? Ignore if you're seeking person specific-advice; I won't mind. A Colt Model 1903 Pocket Hammerless in .32 ACP or Colt Model 1908 Pocket Hammerless (same gun, basically) in .380 ACP was often someone's primary carry piece in 1942. Your backup, sometimes held on the end of a watch fob, or in a pocket, or in a shoe, or other rather odd creative places was a Colt Model 1908 Vest Pocket Automatic in .25 ACP. Horribly weak, but arguably the best .25 ever made (the FN Browning Model 1906 also has a case). Now, I guess if you were carrying something pretty heavy, then you might want to go for one of the two Colt Pocket Hammerless models. But I think there's a logical compromise...
Another good one was made from 1919-1924: the long-forgotten but absolutely terrific and certainly compact Ortgies 7.65mm (a.k.a. .32 ACP). Made in Germany with all the quality one expected of a German gun, despite being made in the Weimar Republic. They could double in a pinch as target pistols and a number were carried by many a German police officer due to their reliability and accuracy. Also known to have carried an Ortgies: the famed bank robber John Dillinger. The Ortgies was also a VERY early striker-fired gun and, as such, really, REALLY weird in design compared to how we might perceive a striker-fired pistol today (i.e. a Glock). Reassambly is something akin to getting a Rubik's Cube right unless you have instructions in front of you and/or have memorized those instructions. For more info on these amazing little guns, go here...
http://www.ortgies.net/index.htm
The recommendations by Dalkowski110 are sound. There are so many weapons available that only your imagination can limit them. The only thing one can say for certain is that in the USA the most common firearms were rural orientated, .22's for rats and rabbits and .38's for storekeepers. It really isn't until the 1960's that a handgun culture starts to appear as a major "force" in the firearms market. However even in the 1930's there were vocal "amatuers" in the classic sense of the word like Elmer Keith trying to push the limits of handgun use.
But your average Cop or Shamus would be stuck on the .38 revolver, S&W or Colt and for "others" the more common autos would be .22's and .32's with the .380 straggling behind. Don't forget the 1911 Colt which would be a favorite of WW1 Vets who used t in the trenches. The Luger was also popular - and considered deadly - as was another WW1 pistol - the Mauser Broomhandle.
But to get to the original point, a .32 Colt backup would be a dandy!
Bond’s Beretta
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In that case, a Colt Model 1908 Vest Pocket Automatic in .25 ACP. Best .25 made until the 1990's in my opinion, although the FN Browning 1906 has its defenders. The latter is a bit better made, to be honest, albeit not by much, but it's also a little unwieldy for its size. For example, the safety is a bit more difficult to engage/disengage and you have to squeeze the grip a bit harder to disengage the grip safety, which might throw off aim. Still, the FN Browning 1906 does have a "crisper" trigger pull. Really, either one would be completely believable.
"It really isn't until the 1960's that a handgun culture starts to appear as a major "force" in the firearms market. However even in the 1930's there were vocal "amatuers" in the classic sense of the word like Elmer Keith trying to push the limits of handgun use."
Pretty much. And even then you had a lot of gunsmiths that just stuck to wildcatting rifle calibers. P.O. Ackley was a notable exception, though Ackley was more focused on creating a hunting handgun than a personal defense arm, and many of the platforms he used would be much too unwieldy/impractical as carry pieces. But some of the guys we now think of as being lightyears ahead of their time in cartridge development, especially Charles Newton, really didn't seem to care about handgun calibers. You did of course have John Browning as someone who cared very much about different handgunning platforms, but who really worked with existing calibers. Colt and Smith & Wesson both had their own brain trusts that developed pioneering calibers, but often, the manufacturers dragged their feet on releasing mass-production guns for said calibers. Best example of this is having the .357 Magnum introduced in 1934 while the first arguably-mass-production handgun that could handle it was the Smith & Wesson Model 19...which they started taking orders for in 1955. During that 21-year-long "lull," it was basically just Elmer Keith and Phil Sharpe modifying various and sundry K-Frame revolvers from Smith & Wesson. But I digress.
One fine gun not mentioned here that Law Enforcement absolutely loved was the .38 Super. Remember, the reason Keith thinks up the round that eventually becomes the .357 Magnum is because Smith & Wesson wants a competing, ballistically similar round. We may not think much of the .38 Super today, but in the early '40's, it was certainly a force to be reckoned with. One of the problems you might encounter, though, on what is certainly my favorite .38 Super...the Colt Government Model (i.e. the civilian 1911)...is that due it being a 1911 designed for different headspacing (on the rim rather than the case mouth), your target at 25 yards looks like more like a shotgun patterning board. Aftermarket barrels that corrected this problem didn't appear until the 1970's. Yet, for all its problems, I've met some ex-LEO's and read accounts of many people that swore by these guns. As per one former police officer: "I'm not really looking for minute of angle. If my life is in danger, I'm just looking for minute of bad guy."
"Don't forget the 1911 Colt which would be a favorite of WW1 Vets who used it in the trenches."
As well as G-Men or former G-Men, who were generally instructed to buy the early Colt Government Models (the civilian version of the 1911). I've also seen "Frankenstein" guns that incorporated parts of both where my best guess is that the guy who had brought his 1911 home with him was just buying parts from Colt to keep it in tip-top shape.
Speaking of G-Men and WWI vets, if your character is REALLY not predisposed toward subltlety, you can always have an M1918 BAR or Colt Monitor Machine Rifle (civilian BAR) or Colt R75 Machine Rifle (also a civilian BAR) as something your character carries around. These early BAR's were lighter than their WWII counterparts and had a higher rate of fire. But they still had 20 rounds of .30-06 firepower in a standard BAR mag. The Monitor in particular would be interesting, as it was the first firearm ever issued to the G-Men and to counter its high rate of fire, it was fitted with a Cutts muzzle compensator so it didn't become an anti-aircraft gun after the first two shots.
Sawed off shotguns, usually in 12 gauge, were also prevelant as self-defense guns before the 1934 National Firearms Act (then you had to pay a $200 tax to own one, which many individuals couldn't afford...if you had something like a Thompson Submachine Gun or a BAR in the first place, you could probably afford the tax, on the other hand). But you still did have some individuals (including MANY law enforcement officers and former law enforcement officers) who either paid the tax no attention or, alternately, paid it because they wanted to keep their trusted "car guns," as sawed-off shotguns were often called. Frank Hamer, the Texas Ranger famed for bringing down motorized bandits Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow, was one of the very first men to believe in the concept of a patrol car carbine (a Remington Model 8 semiautomatic rifle equipped with a specially-made 30-round, non-detachable magazine). Many officers just didn't think any rifle could beat their "car gun" until well after WWII and the introduction of civilian/WWII bringback M1 and M1A1 Carbines. Okay, I'm rambling, but I hope I'm at least being interesting or helpful.
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"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
And yes, I guess one could describe me as a gun guy. I'm a collector of the most esoteric firearms designs you can think of (I'm particularly fond of pre-WWII German "guild quality" sporting arms, such as drillings and Mauser-action sporting rifles although just in general, I love the inter-War era) and also a somewhat-self-taught amateur gunsmith (for example, I can get "Saturday Night Special" type pistols working and cycling pretty well...I also fixed my Charter Arms AR-7 that when I purchased it for $50, jammed every single round). I'll be glad to offer firearms advice if you ever need it!
And like i said before naturally ppk as backup in ankle holster.
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Bingo. The reason things like the Glock 18 and Beretta 93R aren't put into mass production is simply because they're next to uncontrollable. Even stocked machine pistols like the Mauser Schnellfeuer (from way back in the 1930's) and MAC M-10 and MAC M-11 are essentially uncontrollable unless they have a forward grip (and yes, I know there are literally dozens of kits to give forward grips to the Ingram submachine guns, but I mean in stock configuration). A notable exception to all this is the well-liked Stechkin APS, but then from what've heard, the APS was REALLY barrel-heavy to control recoil. Besides, I've always thought of Bond as a guy who doesn't just shoot indiscriminately. If he were, "that damned Beretta" really WOULD have been the end of him. I still like the idea of a 1970's Interarms Walther PPK/S.
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I'm well aware of that. Three-round bursts are optimal, five-round bursts are about the most you can get away with, at least if we're talking the usual 500-800 RPM cyclic rates. Even then, the latter isn't all that accurate with most guns. But even then you'll get the occassional "totally uncontrollable" guns like the MAC M-10 (and M-11 and M-11/9) where it's a combination of cyclic rate being too high and poor ergonomics.
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With a heavy supressor the MAC-10 isn't so bad for short bursts.
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The P5 has been out of production for years. It's also overly large for a single-stack 9mm. I'd carry a PPK before a P5. But then, I'd carry the P99c or PPS before either of them
More like "Dirty Harry on Steroids."
"With a heavy supressor the MAC-10 isn't so bad for short bursts."
I guess you could make that case if equipped with something like a SIONICS noise suppressor (and not a dummy, either), although the ridiculously high cyclic rates for the M-11 and M-11/9 make them uncontrollable even with a suppressor.
* In the deleted scenes on the three disc DVD, the PPK appears in the scene of Bond shadowing Dryden's contact Fisher at the cricket game. In the final print of the film, it the gun he uses to kill Fisher with, thought due to the fast editing you cannot see it very well.
"Nope: using the ASP."
I'm nipping out to the states in a few weeks and my mate has lined up another gun-fest on the Union County (NJ) SWAT range. Amongst the goodies is an ASP 9mm - so I actually get to shoot one next month!
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If we are talking about a walter....and l have always been a massive fan of the PPK and still am so it should be a back up for Bond, but what about the new walter for 2011...the PPQ..
http://pictures.attention-ngn.com//portal/135/140401/products/1279006/1292495832.83_6_o.jpg
Could be an idea!
With so many looking the same nowdays..the PPK still wins in my eyes!
I LOVE LOVE LOVE the P5. It is a let down that they stopped making them- though they were only single stack magazines with only 8 round capacity- but they were wonderfully accurate due to the dual recoil springs. I could hit targets at 25 yards with the one I had. I regret letting it go- and actually I had the rarer modified P5 that was made for the British called the P5c or P5 compact.
Loved it- and it felt very James Bond even though it was a bit fat/wide.
But what really makes the P5 wonderful to me is Sean Connery with it in Never Say Never Again
That gun with the long nose and big wide slide/frame- and the subdued police type look to it- just seemed like it was made for Sean Connery. Also, he is big enough to conceal carry one- Me, I would be better off with the P5 compact.
The next Bond film I would give Craig a bunch of pistols. Let him weild the PPK at times to keep the tradition alive- but have Q give him a high tech version of the ASP 2000. That is the ASp2000 just looks like it was made for Craig- very modern and cold- concealable but with more fire power than the PPK. But spice it up for the movie a bit and give it laser and infrared light built into the recoil guide spring rod so he can dial in shots at long range with the laser and in the dark with the infrared light when using night vision- and of course have it supressed too.
That makes me realize that its time to give Bond some good night vision glasses. Make them go with the ASP too- that would be very cool to come from Q Branch.
Anyway, I have to get a pair of Nills hardwood grips for mine.