How about this compact Colt .45. The .45 is a real man-stopper in every sense. The 1911 design is really slim in the frame for conceal carry and the 7+1 capacity is up there with many suggestions already made. Bond also has history with Colt, Fleming choosing a long-barrelled .45 as Bond's "car gun". If adapted to fit a silencer, then the .45's much larger bullet size and slower travel makes it quieter than 9mm, and the short barrel on this model would create less wear on the lugs and less leverage on the breach.
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How about this compact Colt .45. The .45 is a real man-stopper in every sense. The 1911 design is really slim in the frame for conceal carry and the 7+1 capacity is up there with many suggestions already made. Bond also has history with Colt, Fleming choosing a long-barrelled .45 as Bond's "car gun". If adapted to fit a silencer, then the .45's much larger bullet size and slower travel makes it quieter than 9mm, and the short barrel on this model would create less wear on the lugs and less leverage on the breach.
A great choice but I see EON, Bond and Walther always.
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I see Walther also, personally I'd have him with the PPK every time, and pick up the more interesting weapons as he needed them, much like the original books. Interesting that he both ended Casino Royale and started QOS with a Heckler & Koch, rather than the Walther MPL. So there can't be an official agreement with Walther as there is with Omega watches.
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Gun companies don't pay for product placement, until they do you won't find cinema Bond committed to any one handgun.....just to what the writers and producers feel has the right "cool factor".
We are just lucky that DC choose the PPK for QOS, otherwise Bond could end up with a Hy-Point or a Taurus!
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The Walther MPL was discontinued in the late 80's, and since the mid 1980's H&K submachine guns have built a reputation for reliability, even when converted to fire blanks. I agree that that PK 380 is not really the right choice as it seems more like a target pistol, rather than a defensive weapon. Both the PPS or the P99 compact make sense to me as have the kind of features that James Bond would like in a gun. Also both pistols have a good reputation for operation, safety, and accuracy with many shooters, so it would seem natural that Bond did change weapons than either of these would a good choice.
I now deal with firearms daily in my "everyday job" and work on the same floor as my local FBI field office...the agents get a kick out of the movie props I have lying around my office and I almost always have a Bond film on mute on my office TV.
We had this almost same conversation a few weeks back and came up with a simple answer...."battlefield pick-up" - Bond goes through metal detectors at airports and the FBI Agents tell me, even for them "its an act of Congress" to carry a weapon on an airline, with their credentials and badges even. If Bond needs a firearm, I am quite certain the British Embassy or Consulate in his general area can "diplomatic pouch" any number of firearms he might need. Bond is a big boy and an expert in hand-to-hand combat, I'm sure he can easily unarm any baddie and retain his firearm.
As personal preference for Bond, I am impressed with a J frame Airweight S&W with a Ken Null ankle holster.
I now deal with firearms daily in my "everyday job" and work on the same floor as my local FBI field office...the agents get a kick out of the movie props I have lying around my office and I almost always have a Bond film on mute on my office TV.
We had this almost same conversation a few weeks back and came up with a simple answer...."battlefield pick-up" - Bond goes through metal detectors at airports and the FBI Agents tell me, even for them "its an act of Congress" to carry a weapon on an airline, with their credentials and badges even. If Bond needs a firearm, I am quite certain the British Embassy or Consulate in his general area can "diplomatic pouch" any number of firearms he might need. Bond is a big boy and an expert in hand-to-hand combat, I'm sure he can easily unarm any baddie and retain his firearm.
As personal preference for Bond, I am impressed with a J frame Airweight S&W with a Ken Null ankle holster.
A light snub-nose is ideal in the real world. Let's face it, when you need a handgun, you are up close so barrel length and calibre are hypothetical in most cases, especially if the shooter is skilled. Revolvers are utterly reliable, and in most cases more accurate on the second or third shot either when firing rapidly or under duress than an automatic. For some reason revolvers carry a stigma of not being cool or fashionable. I came home once with a new aquisition, a .357 magnum Colt Python with four inch barrel, laser-dot under barrel sight and rubber grooved grips, "oh, a cowboy gun!" were my wife's words. I showed her my basic Browning HP-35 9mm, and she thought it was really modern, despite the Browning being some forty-five years older than the revolver. As the ever-evolving Bond seems to be about image, so I still see him with "modern" polymer autos. Shame.
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Bond used the ASP in the John Gardner novels beging in the 1984 book "Role of Honor" and kept using it up til the last book "Cold Fall" in 1996.
As for the films, I am pretty sure that if Bond were to upgrade or least start carrying a concealed carry type of pistol I would like to see him use the PPS or stick to the PPK. Even with the change in actors, cars and everything else, Bond's choice for weaponry has not changed in over 40 + years, with the odd exception of picking bad guys weapons from time to time, or using more powerful guns as the situation demanded (H&K UMP 9mm in the end of Casino Royale for instance).
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A light snub-nose is ideal in the real world. Let's face it, when you need a handgun, you are up close so barrel length and calibre are hypothetical in most cases, especially if the shooter is skilled.
A nice Oscar Jade segue...Jade carries a snub-nosed .38 S&W, isn't hesitant about collecting bad guys' guns when he has the chance...he's even a bit of an opportunistic 'collector'... B-)
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The ASP (as was the Devel) served a need and was inventive for the time....There are many modern pistols that are better and driven by technology. I have owned a ASP and found the pistol to be quite sub-standard to my custom Colt that NOVAK worked over.
Smith & Wesson even came out to a compact pistol that was based after the Devel and Asp (the Lew Horton limited edition "Shorty Forty")....it had a very small cult following.
I think Bond must change with the times and while I dislike "plastic framed guns" I think Bond would use what is needed for the job at hand. That being said, most gun-fights occur within 10 feet or less and stealth/suprise/silence would be the best friend of Bond. *Why not a Walther TPH in .22lr with a screw-on suppressor in a Ken Nulls shoulder holster....a real "dirty" gun...perfect for behind the ear work! LoL
This is exactly as Fleming started out. A small, compact supressed .25 cal. Sure, a little up on the .22 you suggested, but that's exactly the type of weapon the litterary Bond needed. Because back then, Bond wasn't an SAS style action hero who really needs a 10mm/ .357 sig/ .40s&w plastic/teflon/ceramic - high capacity auto. But if we look at Bond and his modern role he doesn't really need all these pistols. Because nobody does. Nobody in history has ever lay behind some cover deciding they are ok because the other guy shooting at them "only" has a .32 or a 9mm. And nobody with a 9mm Browning ever wished he had a 10mm Glock or a .44 desert eagle because he is being shot at. But every single person armed with a pistol who has ever been shot at has only ever wished they had a rifle...
Bond should stick with the PPK. It takes a silencer, has enough bullets and .32 is more than enough for what he needs. Anything else he needs should just be picked up, or specifically issued ie the H & K UMP in CR/QOS.
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I agree. Bond was supposed to be an 'expert pistol shot'. He could put the rounds where he wanted them. For instance in DAF (novel) when he vaults through the portal, and confronts Wint and Kidd: they do their football play routine and Bond cracks one of them right between the eyes with one shot and goes back to covering the other one. SWEET! He point shoots the guy from what, five feet or something? .25 acp, .22 whatever...a bigger round would just be more mess to clean up. He's Bond, his skills are of mythic proportion! That's what we like about him.
After reading some of the older books again I want to go get a Beretta 418. Again.
I don't think the baby Glock works well enough with a silencer. And as previously discussed - a great back-up weapon, but not a great conceal carry with a tailored tux or suit like Bond wears most of the time. Plus, very punchy recoil for a full blown 9mm in such a compact weapon. I'd go with a Glock 17 or 19 and do away with the P99.
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Just curious why you say Glock 17 or 19 when the 17 is harder to conceal than the P99 and both are an inferior pistol to the P99 with the Glock 19 barely edging past the P99 in terms of concealment. The curves of the P99 make it deceptively easy to conceal for a full-size handgun and it is a better handgun than the Glock. Just my opinion as a person who owns and has carried all three of these weapons. Of course some of this is subjective.
The fact that Glocks are used by more law enforcement agencies than any other weapon speaks for itself. I was talking about conceal carry - and I have issues with all Glocks for that as they are basically really thick - but so is the P99. Yes, its camford egdes look less wedgy, but the middle thickness is there. I don't like the P99 myself, and have had trouble using one when reloading, and find that in hasty reloading the magazine pinches the base of my hand. I think the S&W P99s are inferior to the original Walthers, but that's my opinion. I know many Glock users, and have put thousands of rounds through 17s and 19s, and have never had, and have never heard of anyone having reliability problems. I have put a few hundred rounds through both Walther and Smith P99s and have had a number of stoppages. I'm not a lover of Glocks in the sense that they appeal visually to me, but as a tool and given they task they are intended for, they are perfect weapons. None of them, however, are easy to conceal under a tux.
I still rate the PPK as one of the best conceal carry/secret agent type weapon.
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I say stick with the Walther ppk, hes a covert spy, he needs to carry a gun which won't upset the cut of his suit, thats why the Bond in the books preffered to use the small Beretta. The only thing I thought to be ridiculous of CR was the fact that I couldnt picture Bond carrying that huge PP9 under his jacket, I have the airsoft replica and its way to big for covert ops.
The walther has become a staple in the Bond lore from Dr. No in the books and into the rest of the series and it was carried on into the movies, why change it now. IMHO, the Walther PPk is the nicest looking side arm around.
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Well, there's nothing wrong with the best sidearm ever made, the 45 ACP, Model of 1911. Maybe a Bobtail Commander by Kimber.
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Bond should carry a Walher PPk at all times. And when called for on certain missions he can use other weapons.
A sniper rifle for exampel like in "The living daylights".
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I like the Beretta Px4 - a sort of nod to the Bond of the earlier Fleming novels, and his preference of the Beretta 414. However, these sub-compact .40's are ok, but pretty punchy for such a small frame. I'd be inclined to go for the nine - and have a large calibre, large frame and longer barrelled alternative for when the going gets heavy.
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but pretty punchy for such a small frame. I'd be inclined to go for the nine - and have a large calibre, large frame and longer barrelled alternative for when the going gets heavy.
Not a problem in fact.
The Storm uses a rotating barrel locking system provides robustness for using powerful calibers.The system boasts robust locking lugs to ensure the best distribution of locking forces when firing. A superb handgun.
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Because he's a marksman, he doesn't need 12 rounds.
No, because he's a marksman he doesn't need bigger bullets. Any size round to the CNS is gonna kill the baddie. I'd much rather have more bullets if I can put them wherever I want.
Personally, if I was picking something other than a PPK for Bond, I would recommend the KelTec PF9. Full-sized rounds in a sub-compact gun weighing in at 12.7 oz (unloaded) vs the 27 oz (unloaded) of the Beretta. Not to mention the smaller size in all dimensions, increasing the ability to conceal it. If Bond needs more than 8 rounds, he needs a bigger gun, so all "compacts" are out of the question.
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The PK380 comes in much less expensive than any other new pistol from their line.
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A great choice but I see EON, Bond and Walther always.
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We are just lucky that DC choose the PPK for QOS, otherwise Bond could end up with a Hy-Point or a Taurus!
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We had this almost same conversation a few weeks back and came up with a simple answer...."battlefield pick-up" - Bond goes through metal detectors at airports and the FBI Agents tell me, even for them "its an act of Congress" to carry a weapon on an airline, with their credentials and badges even. If Bond needs a firearm, I am quite certain the British Embassy or Consulate in his general area can "diplomatic pouch" any number of firearms he might need. Bond is a big boy and an expert in hand-to-hand combat, I'm sure he can easily unarm any baddie and retain his firearm.
As personal preference for Bond, I am impressed with a J frame Airweight S&W with a Ken Null ankle holster.
A light snub-nose is ideal in the real world. Let's face it, when you need a handgun, you are up close so barrel length and calibre are hypothetical in most cases, especially if the shooter is skilled. Revolvers are utterly reliable, and in most cases more accurate on the second or third shot either when firing rapidly or under duress than an automatic. For some reason revolvers carry a stigma of not being cool or fashionable. I came home once with a new aquisition, a .357 magnum Colt Python with four inch barrel, laser-dot under barrel sight and rubber grooved grips, "oh, a cowboy gun!" were my wife's words. I showed her my basic Browning HP-35 9mm, and she thought it was really modern, despite the Browning being some forty-five years older than the revolver. As the ever-evolving Bond seems to be about image, so I still see him with "modern" polymer autos. Shame.
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Why not the S&W ASP 9mm?
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As for the films, I am pretty sure that if Bond were to upgrade or least start carrying a concealed carry type of pistol I would like to see him use the PPS or stick to the PPK. Even with the change in actors, cars and everything else, Bond's choice for weaponry has not changed in over 40 + years, with the odd exception of picking bad guys weapons from time to time, or using more powerful guns as the situation demanded (H&K UMP 9mm in the end of Casino Royale for instance).
A nice Oscar Jade segue...Jade carries a snub-nosed .38 S&W, isn't hesitant about collecting bad guys' guns when he has the chance...he's even a bit of an opportunistic 'collector'... B-)
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Smith & Wesson even came out to a compact pistol that was based after the Devel and Asp (the Lew Horton limited edition "Shorty Forty")....it had a very small cult following.
I think Bond must change with the times and while I dislike "plastic framed guns" I think Bond would use what is needed for the job at hand. That being said, most gun-fights occur within 10 feet or less and stealth/suprise/silence would be the best friend of Bond. *Why not a Walther TPH in .22lr with a screw-on suppressor in a Ken Nulls shoulder holster....a real "dirty" gun...perfect for behind the ear work! LoL
Bond should stick with the PPK. It takes a silencer, has enough bullets and .32 is more than enough for what he needs. Anything else he needs should just be picked up, or specifically issued ie the H & K UMP in CR/QOS.
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After reading some of the older books again I want to go get a Beretta 418. Again.
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I still rate the PPK as one of the best conceal carry/secret agent type weapon.
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The walther has become a staple in the Bond lore from Dr. No in the books and into the rest of the series and it was carried on into the movies, why change it now. IMHO, the Walther PPk is the nicest looking side arm around.
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A sniper rifle for exampel like in "The living daylights".
Except for the weight and size of a full-sized stainless steel gun.
As for the Px4, since Bond is an expert marksman, give him more bullets and go with the 9mm.
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Not a problem in fact.
The Storm uses a rotating barrel locking system provides robustness for using powerful calibers.The system boasts robust locking lugs to ensure the best distribution of locking forces when firing. A superb handgun.
No, because he's a marksman he doesn't need bigger bullets. Any size round to the CNS is gonna kill the baddie. I'd much rather have more bullets if I can put them wherever I want.
Personally, if I was picking something other than a PPK for Bond, I would recommend the KelTec PF9. Full-sized rounds in a sub-compact gun weighing in at 12.7 oz (unloaded) vs the 27 oz (unloaded) of the Beretta. Not to mention the smaller size in all dimensions, increasing the ability to conceal it. If Bond needs more than 8 rounds, he needs a bigger gun, so all "compacts" are out of the question.
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