Pros and Cons: Die Another Day

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  • zaphod99zaphod99 Posts: 1,415MI6 Agent
    am747 wrote:
    Vandrell wrote:
    Are there any pros to DAD? {:)

    Many including the 1st half :p

    Yes indeed, not forgetting Rosamund Pike.... Also sword fight is great.
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  • eric7064eric7064 USAPosts: 343MI6 Agent
    First half is actually a great Bond film. Gets a little hokey in the second half. CGI is a valid complaint. But many Bond go over the top yet don't get so much hate.

    Let a Bond cone out now with a bad henchman who can kill you with his hat. See how that settles in.
  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,596MI6 Agent
    eric7064 wrote:
    First half is actually a great Bond film. Gets a little hokey in the second half. CGI is a valid complaint. But many Bond go over the top yet don't get so much hate.

    Let a Bond cone out now with a bad henchman who can kill you with his hat. See how that settles in.

    Being over-the-top isn't a problem I have, it's just poorly done. It's not directed well, the script is terrible, and the over-the-top things just aren't good.
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  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,061MI6 Agent
    Matt S wrote:

    Being over-the-top isn't a problem I have, it's just poorly done. It's not directed well, the script is terrible, and the over-the-top things just aren't good.
    IMHO the only REALLY poorly done OTT moment is the disgusting Moneypenny VR bit; the rest is standard MR-type nonsense, and better done at that. :D
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  • heartbroken_mr_draxheartbroken_mr_drax New Zealand Posts: 2,073MI6 Agent
    chrisisall wrote:
    Matt S wrote:

    Being over-the-top isn't a problem I have, it's just poorly done. It's not directed well, the script is terrible, and the over-the-top things just aren't good.
    IMHO the only REALLY poorly done OTT moment is the disgusting Moneypenny VR bit; the rest is standard MR-type nonsense, and better done at that. :D

    Don't agree at all.

    It isn't MR type nonsense because at least MR still maintains a level of class and even though it's in space - feels like a Bond film.

    DAD is a good action film and a rubbish Bond film.
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  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,061MI6 Agent
    It isn't MR type nonsense because at least MR still maintains a level of class and even though it's in space
    "Here's to us."
    Case effin' closed. :))
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  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,596MI6 Agent
    chrisisall wrote:
    It isn't MR type nonsense because at least MR still maintains a level of class and even though it's in space
    "Here's to us."
    Case effin' closed. :))

    I agree with heartbroken_mr_drax in that MR maintains a level of class. And that line just shows what a classy guy Jaws was -{
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  • JagJag Posts: 1,167MI6 Agent
    I don't mean to criticise MR at all, but DAD is one of the classiest Bond movies. An ice palace is classy; diamonds are classy, and Jinx is the classiest Bong girl of them all! -{
  • heartbroken_mr_draxheartbroken_mr_drax New Zealand Posts: 2,073MI6 Agent
    Jag wrote:
    I don't mean to criticise MR at all, but DAD is one of the classiest Bond movies. An ice palace is classy; diamonds are classy, and Jinx is the classiest Bong girl of them all! -{

    :))
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  • heartbroken_mr_draxheartbroken_mr_drax New Zealand Posts: 2,073MI6 Agent
    ^ That's a perfect example of where the film is so wrong. They try make Jinx's character like something from Charlie's Angels. IMO, all of this other crap going on makes Pierce's performance confused.
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  • The Wicker ManThe Wicker Man EnglandPosts: 434MI6 Agent
    Jag wrote:
    I don't mean to criticise MR at all, but DAD is one of the classiest Bond movies. An ice palace is classy; diamonds are classy, and Jinx is the classiest Bong girl of them all! -{

    I can appreciate DAD can be great fun as an out there, over the top Bond film. But classy is not the word I would use to describe it. Any class the film might have is ruined by a script full of the most embarrassing innuendo and the awful Moneypenny virtual reality scene. :#
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  • JagJag Posts: 1,167MI6 Agent
    ^ That's a perfect example of where the film is so wrong. They try make Jinx's character like something from Charlie's Angels. IMO, all of this other crap going on makes Pierce's performance confused.

    There's no accounting for taste... Watched it recently, and somehow missed "all of this other crap". A car with adaptive camouflage, even John Cleese as the new Q. Great fun, and a great Bond.
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 36,207Chief of Staff
    Jag wrote:
    Great fun, and a great Bond.

    +1. There are faults with DAD (there are faults in any Bond movie, heck there are faults in any movie) but Brosnan's performance isn't one of them.
  • broadshoulderbroadshoulder Acton, London, UKPosts: 1,363MI6 Agent
    Barbel wrote:
    Jag wrote:
    Great fun, and a great Bond.

    +1. There are faults with DAD (there are faults in any Bond movie, heck there are faults in any movie) but Brosnan's performance isn't one of them.

    No offence but

    with any film you can highlight the dreadful bits along with the good bits

    But....with Die another Day..

    you can highlight the good bits.....among all the dreadful bits...which are far more numerous
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  • HatThrowingHenchmanHatThrowingHenchman Russia With LovePosts: 1,834MI6 Agent
    even after 14 years, people still talk often about it :))
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  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 36,207Chief of Staff
    Barbel wrote:
    Jag wrote:
    Great fun, and a great Bond.

    +1. There are faults with DAD (there are faults in any Bond movie, heck there are faults in any movie) but Brosnan's performance isn't one of them.

    No offence but

    with any film you can highlight the dreadful bits along with the good bits

    But....with Die another Day..

    you can highlight the good bits.....among all the dreadful bits...which are far more numerous

    None taken, bs, and I agree to an extent (though we may not agree on which are the dreadful bits- Madonna, the CGI, Madonna, certain lines, Madonna...). Just defending Brosnan who IMO gives a good performance, though he was even better in the preceding film.
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,618MI6 Agent
    I am throwing a "Sir Miles" and am coming out with that I like Madonna's song :D

    Not as much as YKMN but I still like it! -{
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  • heartbroken_mr_draxheartbroken_mr_drax New Zealand Posts: 2,073MI6 Agent
    ^ Madonna's title song is great. Many people my age know it and like it!
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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    Are there many people in that retirement home ? :p

    I don't hate Madonna's song, but I prefer the dance version played at
    the end.
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  • heartbroken_mr_draxheartbroken_mr_drax New Zealand Posts: 2,073MI6 Agent
    Toby Stephens is a very good and underrated Bond villain. If you switch your brain off that he isn't supposed to be serious, his performance takes you for a wild ride!

    "You see Mr. Bond, you can't kill my dreams. But my dreams can kill you."
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  • broadshoulderbroadshoulder Acton, London, UKPosts: 1,363MI6 Agent
    If you switch your brain off

    There lies the problem...
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  • eric7064eric7064 USAPosts: 343MI6 Agent
    I actually like the Madonna song to be honest.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,061MI6 Agent
    eric7064 wrote:
    I actually like the Madonna song to be honest.
    Big fan of it myself. {[]
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  • JagJag Posts: 1,167MI6 Agent
    chrisisall wrote:
    eric7064 wrote:
    I actually like the Madonna song to be honest.
    Big fan of it myself. {[]


    It was probably my least favourite Bond song at the time of release. I almost hated it. I watched the movie on Blu-ray recently and thought that the song was very good at least. Is it possible Madonna was ahead of the time by over a decade?
  • The Wicker ManThe Wicker Man EnglandPosts: 434MI6 Agent
    Jag wrote:
    chrisisall wrote:
    eric7064 wrote:
    I actually like the Madonna song to be honest.
    Big fan of it myself. {[]


    It was probably my least favourite Bond song at the time of release. I almost hated it. I watched the movie on Blu-ray recently and thought that the song was very good at least. Is it possible Madonna was ahead of the time by over a decade?

    This feeling that Madonna's song is actually quite good must be catching. I watched DAD the other week and found myself rather enjoying the theme tune...... Then again I watched it just after QOS and most things sound great after AWTD! :p
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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    I bet you were up boogying to it, like Tom Cruise in
    Risky business. ;)
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  • The Wicker ManThe Wicker Man EnglandPosts: 434MI6 Agent
    I bet you were up boogying to it, like Tom Cruise in
    Risky business. ;)

    Not since I bought this reclining chair TP. By the time I get myself out of it, the song would be finished and the film would have started. :(
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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    :)) Yes, I think many of us have now reached the point of making
    a noise, getting in or out of a chair. ;) infact I've reached the point
    That if I'm upstairs, I'll quickly use the toilet. As it will save a trip
    Later ! :))
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  • eric7064eric7064 USAPosts: 343MI6 Agent
    Whenever I watch DAD I always catch my self humming the theme constantly. Just thinking about it now. Ugh humming again. Can't stop.
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