Pros and Cons: Die Another Day

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  • broadshoulderbroadshoulder Acton, London, UKPosts: 1,363MI6 Agent
    chrisisall wrote:
    Toby was excellent. He knew the score better than any other actor in the film, clearly, and gave an OTT performance to match the OTT nonsense.

    So how about the body swap nonsense

    Graves stands there all tearful as he polishes off that Korean general. My mouth dropped even further with that...
    1. For Your Eyes Only 2. The Living Daylights 3 From Russia with Love 4. Casino Royale 5. OHMSS 6. Skyfall
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,061MI6 Agent
    chrisisall wrote:
    Toby was excellent. He knew the score better than any other actor in the film, clearly, and gave an OTT performance to match the OTT nonsense.

    So how about the body swap nonsense

    Graves stands there all tearful as he polishes off that Korean general. My mouth dropped even further with that...
    It made me cry crocodile tears. :v
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • Agent PurpleAgent Purple Posts: 857MI6 Agent
    I do prefer Tamahori to Forster as a Bond director because I think Tamahori did a better job directing action sequences.

    Forster's handling of the action in QoS is one of my main issues with that movie. He's most likely my least fave Bond director.
    "Hostile takeovers. Shall we?"
    New 2020 ranking (for now DAF and FYEO keep their previous placements)
    1. TLD 2. TND 3. GF 4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
    Bond actors to be re-ranked later
  • broadshoulderbroadshoulder Acton, London, UKPosts: 1,363MI6 Agent
    I do prefer Tamahori to Forster as a Bond director because I think Tamahori did a better job directing action sequences.

    :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :))

    Oh dear. Some people have no idea... :#
    1. For Your Eyes Only 2. The Living Daylights 3 From Russia with Love 4. Casino Royale 5. OHMSS 6. Skyfall
  • HatThrowingHenchmanHatThrowingHenchman Russia With LovePosts: 1,834MI6 Agent
    I do prefer Tamahori to Forster as a Bond director because I think Tamahori did a better job directing action sequences.

    :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :))

    Oh dear. Some people have no idea... :#

    and some people clearly dislike the Brosnan films, yet they always stick to their threads like chocolate on a child's face :)
    "You see Mr.Bond, you can't kill my dreams...but my dreams can kill you.Time to face destiny" - "Time to face gravity"
  • Agent PurpleAgent Purple Posts: 857MI6 Agent
    edited November 2015
    Don't get me wrong, Tamahori is by no means my fave Bond director, but I easily prefer him to Forster.

    Forster is just mediocre at directing action imo, he barely gets away with making some entertaining action in QoS, but it was generally a sloppy job as far as I'm concerned.

    I'm glad that Mendes came in after that, he really tops both Tamahori and Forster for me.
    "Hostile takeovers. Shall we?"
    New 2020 ranking (for now DAF and FYEO keep their previous placements)
    1. TLD 2. TND 3. GF 4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
    Bond actors to be re-ranked later
  • broadshoulderbroadshoulder Acton, London, UKPosts: 1,363MI6 Agent
    I do prefer Tamahori to Forster as a Bond director because I think Tamahori did a better job directing action sequences.

    :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :))

    Oh dear. Some people have no idea... :#

    and some people clearly dislike the Brosnan films, yet they always stick to their threads like chocolate on a child's face :)

    Don't get personal. You need to calm yourself down.
    1. For Your Eyes Only 2. The Living Daylights 3 From Russia with Love 4. Casino Royale 5. OHMSS 6. Skyfall
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,061MI6 Agent
    Don't get me wrong, Tamahori is by no means my fave Bond director, but I easily prefer him to Forster.
    Nah, Forster is a better action movie director, Tamahori just has a slicker style.
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • HatThrowingHenchmanHatThrowingHenchman Russia With LovePosts: 1,834MI6 Agent

    :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :))

    Oh dear. Some people have no idea... :#

    and some people clearly dislike the Brosnan films, yet they always stick to their threads like chocolate on a child's face :)

    Don't get personal. You need to calm yourself down.

    not personal at all ?:)
    "You see Mr.Bond, you can't kill my dreams...but my dreams can kill you.Time to face destiny" - "Time to face gravity"
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,061MI6 Agent
    not personal at all ?:)
    "Don't get personal" means he doesn't understand the word, not that you are getting personal. I think.






    :v
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,594MI6 Agent
    chrisisall wrote:
    Don't get me wrong, Tamahori is by no means my fave Bond director, but I easily prefer him to Forster.
    Nah, Forster is a better action movie director, Tamahori just has a slicker style.

    The editing is really the problem more than Forster's directing, but the editing would also have been done at his direction, right? Forster never did an action film before, and action wasn't his thing. He is a great director, but he didn't bring his talents to Bond. He left his great directing experience at the door and made QoS like he had never made a film before. But Forster didn't turn his Bond film into a cartoon like Tamahori did.
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  • Agent PurpleAgent Purple Posts: 857MI6 Agent
    It all depends on what the viewer prefers of course, and to me chopping up action sequences is a bigger offense than turning Bond into a cartoon.

    I'm sure many others think otherwise, so it all comes down to preference.
    "Hostile takeovers. Shall we?"
    New 2020 ranking (for now DAF and FYEO keep their previous placements)
    1. TLD 2. TND 3. GF 4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
    Bond actors to be re-ranked later
  • Agent PurpleAgent Purple Posts: 857MI6 Agent
    Pros:

    -Great PTS.
    -Toby Stephens gives a solid performance as Graves.
    -Fun action, especially the car chase between Bond and Zao.
    -One of Brosnan's best performances as Bond, if not his best.
    -Halle Berry is enjoyable as Jinx.
    -Zao is a tough henchman, and quite memorable. He's no Red Grant, Oddjob, Dario, or Jaws, but he does the job well enough.
    -Rosamund Pike is great as Miranda Frost.
    -While the heavy use of references to previous Bond films can annoy some people, it doesn't really bother me.

    Cons:

    -Some cheesy lines.
    -The film has a cartoonish feel.
    -The "Time to face gravity!" line, although well delivered, is inappropiate for the moment in which it is said.

    Overall, I like DAD, and give it an 8/10.
    "Hostile takeovers. Shall we?"
    New 2020 ranking (for now DAF and FYEO keep their previous placements)
    1. TLD 2. TND 3. GF 4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
    Bond actors to be re-ranked later
  • JagJag Posts: 1,167MI6 Agent
    I do prefer Tamahori to Forster as a Bond director because I think Tamahori did a better job directing action sequences.

    Forster's handling of the action in QoS is one of my main issues with that movie. He's most likely my least fave Bond director.


    Completely true. Directing a Bond movie requires specific skills. It's not good enough to be a good director, or even a great director to make a good Bond movie. I really wish Tarantino was allowed a shot!
  • Agent PurpleAgent Purple Posts: 857MI6 Agent
    Jag wrote:
    I do prefer Tamahori to Forster as a Bond director because I think Tamahori did a better job directing action sequences.

    Forster's handling of the action in QoS is one of my main issues with that movie. He's most likely my least fave Bond director.


    Completely true. Directing a Bond movie requires specific skills. It's not good enough to be a good director, or even a great director to make a good Bond movie. I really wish Tarantino was allowed a shot!

    Tarantino is one of my fave directors, but I think he has too much originality to direct a Bond film.

    I think James Cameron could do it though.
    "Hostile takeovers. Shall we?"
    New 2020 ranking (for now DAF and FYEO keep their previous placements)
    1. TLD 2. TND 3. GF 4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
    Bond actors to be re-ranked later
  • broadshoulderbroadshoulder Acton, London, UKPosts: 1,363MI6 Agent
    Jag wrote:
    I do prefer Tamahori to Forster as a Bond director because I think Tamahori did a better job directing action sequences.

    Forster's handling of the action in QoS is one of my main issues with that movie. He's most likely my least fave Bond director.


    Completely true. Directing a Bond movie requires specific skills. It's not good enough to be a good director, or even a great director to make a good Bond movie. I really wish Tarantino was allowed a shot!

    Exactly, WHERE in this scene does Tamahori get a good performance with the actors?

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=ml75GSIY8mw
    1. For Your Eyes Only 2. The Living Daylights 3 From Russia with Love 4. Casino Royale 5. OHMSS 6. Skyfall
  • HatThrowingHenchmanHatThrowingHenchman Russia With LovePosts: 1,834MI6 Agent
    Jag wrote:
    I do prefer Tamahori to Forster as a Bond director because I think Tamahori did a better job directing action sequences.

    Forster's handling of the action in QoS is one of my main issues with that movie. He's most likely my least fave Bond director.


    Completely true. Directing a Bond movie requires specific skills. It's not good enough to be a good director, or even a great director to make a good Bond movie. I really wish Tarantino was allowed a shot!

    Exactly, WHERE in this scene does Tamahori get a good performance with the actors?

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=ml75GSIY8mw

    It's not a standout scene you picked though
    "You see Mr.Bond, you can't kill my dreams...but my dreams can kill you.Time to face destiny" - "Time to face gravity"
  • broadshoulderbroadshoulder Acton, London, UKPosts: 1,363MI6 Agent
    Jag wrote:


    Completely true. Directing a Bond movie requires specific skills. It's not good enough to be a good director, or even a great director to make a good Bond movie. I really wish Tarantino was allowed a shot!

    Exactly, WHERE in this scene does Tamahori get a good performance with the actors?

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=ml75GSIY8mw

    It's not a standout scene you picked though

    Oh it is, the dialogue is this crap all the way through the film..
    1. For Your Eyes Only 2. The Living Daylights 3 From Russia with Love 4. Casino Royale 5. OHMSS 6. Skyfall
  • HatThrowingHenchmanHatThrowingHenchman Russia With LovePosts: 1,834MI6 Agent
    don't know which film you're talking about then :p
    "You see Mr.Bond, you can't kill my dreams...but my dreams can kill you.Time to face destiny" - "Time to face gravity"
  • broadshoulderbroadshoulder Acton, London, UKPosts: 1,363MI6 Agent
    don't know which film you're talking about then :p

    Oh dear god (bashes head against wall)
    1. For Your Eyes Only 2. The Living Daylights 3 From Russia with Love 4. Casino Royale 5. OHMSS 6. Skyfall
  • HatThrowingHenchmanHatThrowingHenchman Russia With LovePosts: 1,834MI6 Agent
    ouch :#
    "You see Mr.Bond, you can't kill my dreams...but my dreams can kill you.Time to face destiny" - "Time to face gravity"
  • broadshoulderbroadshoulder Acton, London, UKPosts: 1,363MI6 Agent
    ouch :#

    I am sorry. I mustn't be so harsh...
    1. For Your Eyes Only 2. The Living Daylights 3 From Russia with Love 4. Casino Royale 5. OHMSS 6. Skyfall
  • HatThrowingHenchmanHatThrowingHenchman Russia With LovePosts: 1,834MI6 Agent
    well, it was your head...
    "You see Mr.Bond, you can't kill my dreams...but my dreams can kill you.Time to face destiny" - "Time to face gravity"
  • heartbroken_mr_draxheartbroken_mr_drax New Zealand Posts: 2,073MI6 Agent
    Overall, I like DAD, and give it an 8/10.

    :)) wow
    1. TWINE 2. FYEO 3. MR 4. TLD 5. TSWLM 6. OHMSS 7. DN 8. OP 9. AVTAK 10. TMWTGG 11. QoS 12. GE 13. CR 14. TB 15. FRWL 16. TND 17. LTK 18. GF 19. SF 20. LaLD 21. YOLT 22. NTTD 23. DAD 24. DAF. 25. SP

    "Better make that two."
  • VandrellVandrell London, EnglandPosts: 324MI6 Agent
    Are there any pros to DAD? {:)
  • HatThrowingHenchmanHatThrowingHenchman Russia With LovePosts: 1,834MI6 Agent
    Vandrell wrote:
    Are there any pros to DAD? {:)
    boy, where to start?
    "You see Mr.Bond, you can't kill my dreams...but my dreams can kill you.Time to face destiny" - "Time to face gravity"
  • am747am747 Posts: 720MI6 Agent
    Vandrell wrote:
    Are there any pros to DAD? {:)

    Many including the 1st half :p
  • heartbroken_mr_draxheartbroken_mr_drax New Zealand Posts: 2,073MI6 Agent
    BluRay Marathon 20!

    Pros:

    - First half of the film, until Iceland
    - Pierce's performance - although he looks a stale/out-of-place at times
    - Judi Dench
    - John Cleese as R - I don't mind him and I think it works well (briefly)
    - Aston Martin
    - Gustav Graves - brilliantly played and very funny
    - Madonna's title song and remix version on end-credits
    - Arnold's soundtrack

    Cons:

    - Iceland on...
    - OTT ham acting by many including Zhao, Korean guys
    - Terrible one-liners
    - Like TND - gets confused between Bond film and action film
    - Dodgy editing and annoying slow-mo/sped-up scenes
    - Special effects are awful
    - Daniel Kleinman's titles haven't aged well
    - Jinx is terrible so is her lame, slo-mo Baywatch style intro
    - Zhao's diamonds in the face, I'm sure they could've been removed
    - The film at times feels like an N'Sync music video

    Overall:

    I did enjoy watching DAD, but not as a Bond film. Like TND, it's a pretty good disposable action film but overall as a Bond film it's pretty rubbish. The first half is surprisingly solid and quite original - it's a real shame that it just turns into a terrible mess. Although there are plenty of clues in the beginning as to where it is going to head.

    To me I find Pierce's performance pretty solid - but at times he looks a bit out of place and not totally comfortable. While his acting is good - his presence isn't as good as his other three.

    I think they did a good job at creating a popcorn action flick, and it did make boatloads of money - but they did a poor job at creating something for the legacy of Bond. I'm glad they cleaned up their act in Casino Royale. A bad return to crap (TND) from the high point of TWINE.
    1. TWINE 2. FYEO 3. MR 4. TLD 5. TSWLM 6. OHMSS 7. DN 8. OP 9. AVTAK 10. TMWTGG 11. QoS 12. GE 13. CR 14. TB 15. FRWL 16. TND 17. LTK 18. GF 19. SF 20. LaLD 21. YOLT 22. NTTD 23. DAD 24. DAF. 25. SP

    "Better make that two."
  • HatThrowingHenchmanHatThrowingHenchman Russia With LovePosts: 1,834MI6 Agent
    would you care to explain your point about Kleinman's titles?
    "You see Mr.Bond, you can't kill my dreams...but my dreams can kill you.Time to face destiny" - "Time to face gravity"
  • heartbroken_mr_draxheartbroken_mr_drax New Zealand Posts: 2,073MI6 Agent
    would you care to explain your point about Kleinman's titles?

    I used to think they looked quite good, but the CGI in them hasn't aged as well as his earlier 3 entries. I find with the narrative in it (which is a good addition) that it doesn't flow as well and doesn't match the music.

    I love Kleinman's title work overall, but I think DAD and TND are his weakest efforts.
    1. TWINE 2. FYEO 3. MR 4. TLD 5. TSWLM 6. OHMSS 7. DN 8. OP 9. AVTAK 10. TMWTGG 11. QoS 12. GE 13. CR 14. TB 15. FRWL 16. TND 17. LTK 18. GF 19. SF 20. LaLD 21. YOLT 22. NTTD 23. DAD 24. DAF. 25. SP

    "Better make that two."
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