Pros and Cons: Die Another Day

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  • Agent PurpleAgent Purple Posts: 857MI6 Agent
    What do you guys think of Jinx's line "At least we're gonna die rich!"?
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  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    What do you guys think of Jinx's line "At least we're gonna die rich!"?
    Funny.
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
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  • Agent PurpleAgent Purple Posts: 857MI6 Agent
    I do think Toby Stephens plays Graves quite well, even if the character is somewhat tough to buy.

    Here's how I'd rank the main villains of Brozzer's era:

    Carver
    Trevelyan
    Graves
    Elektra

    How would you guys rank them?
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  • heartbroken_mr_draxheartbroken_mr_drax New Zealand Posts: 2,073MI6 Agent
    1. Carver
    2. Elektra
    3. Graves
    4. Trevelyan

    I don't like Sean Bean as a villian, don't like the character's back story either. As much as a don't rate TND very highly, Elliot Pryce puts in an awesome performance.
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  • Robbo88Robbo88 Newcastle, England.Posts: 253MI6 Agent
    I do think Toby Stephens plays Graves quite well, even if the character is somewhat tough to buy.

    Here's how I'd rank the main villains of Brozzer's era:

    Carver
    Trevelyan
    Graves
    Elektra

    How would you guys rank them?

    Same for me.
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  • Willard WhyteWillard Whyte Posts: 166MI6 Agent
    Pro's ...
    It's a Bond film.
    Miranda Frost


    Cons....

    Surfing on a 50 foot wave :))
    Plane on fire for 30 mins without crashing.
    Halle Berry, she.s got an Oscar :(|) :o :o
    Crap title song.
    Madonna, she's not got an Oscar :D
    Rubbish villians, not interesting at all.
    Bond in his Pj's.


    Worst or one of the Worst Bond films.
    I smell a rat
  • Agent PurpleAgent Purple Posts: 857MI6 Agent
    Honestly I don't know and don't wish to know which is the worst Bond film.

    But I know that this film is fun for me, and that's all I care about.
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  • Agent PurpleAgent Purple Posts: 857MI6 Agent
    In that scene where Bond kills Graves, I wonder how Bond's line "Time to face gravity!" could've been replaced.

    I've no problem with Brozzer's delivery of the line, but I wonder what else they could have made him say.
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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    Pity you have to Jet off.
    Don't get too cut up over it.
    Go for a spin.

    I'll stop the bad puns there. ;)
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  • LoeffelholzLoeffelholz The United States, With LovePosts: 8,995Quartermasters
    So...looks like my last Bond film viewing, pre-SPECTRE, is DAD. Just finished watching it, the night before SP in IMAX...

    Pros: the first half of the film, really---up to and including the sword fight. Some of Brozzer's best Bond work. I'll even allow the Derek Flint-style meditation/heart rate control. I don't mind Madonna's song, and her cameo works for me.

    Cons: most of the 2nd half, which feels constricted in the plastic 'ice palace' setting. CGI para-surf, Car duel on the ice, Icarus body suit, OTT disentigrating plane escape.

    Still...it's Bond, and I enjoy it :007)
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  • heartbroken_mr_draxheartbroken_mr_drax New Zealand Posts: 2,073MI6 Agent
    Pros: the first half of the film, really---up to and including the sword fight. Some of Brozzer's best Bond work. I'll even allow the Derek Flint-style meditation/heart rate control. I don't mind Madonna's song, and her cameo works for me.
    Cons: most of the 2nd half, which feels constricted in the plastic 'ice palace' setting. CGI para-surf, Car duel on the ice, Icarus body suit, OTT disentigrating plane escape.

    Exactly how I feel about the film.

    I really like the title song lol
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  • broadshoulderbroadshoulder Acton, London, UKPosts: 1,363MI6 Agent
    So...looks like my last Bond film viewing, pre-SPECTRE, is DAD. Just finished watching it, the night before SP in IMAX...

    Pros: the first half of the film, really---up to and including the sword fight. Some of Brozzer's best Bond work. I'll even allow the Derek Flint-style meditation/heart rate control. I don't mind Madonna's song, and her cameo works for me.

    Cons: most of the 2nd half, which feels constricted in the plastic 'ice palace' setting. CGI para-surf, Car duel on the ice, Icarus body suit, OTT disentigrating plane escape.

    Still...it's Bond, and I enjoy it :007)

    Two shows such as Die another Day and Spectre are complete opposites

    One is top of its league.....the other...isn't
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  • Agent PurpleAgent Purple Posts: 857MI6 Agent
    DAD is what it is, and it just depends on whether the viewer is willing to accept it.
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  • heartbroken_mr_draxheartbroken_mr_drax New Zealand Posts: 2,073MI6 Agent
    As I'm getting the entire BluRay set for my birthday in a week {[] I am getting quite exited to watch my bottom ranked Bonds again: DAD, DAF, TND, YOLT etc. - interesting isn't it?
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    "Better make that two."
  • hehadlotsofgutshehadlotsofguts Durham England Posts: 2,107MI6 Agent
    Pity you have to Jet off.
    Don't get too cut up over it.
    Go for a spin.

    I'll stop the bad puns there. ;)

    He's in bits.
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  • Agent PurpleAgent Purple Posts: 857MI6 Agent
    Stephens portrays Graves quite well, the one issue I have with Graves is the character himself.

    Yes, he traded diamonds for weapons (as Colonel Moon) and used some of said diamonds for his 2nd sun (Icarus) but I still find unclear why he hates the West.
    I also find unclear how he was seeking revenge on the West with Icarus.

    In short, my issue with Graves is that to me he's a somewhat underdeveloped villain, but his saving graces (for me anyway) are that 1) Toby Stephens played him well, and 2) he looks tough. So he's definitely not my least fave BV, that's probably Grey's Blofeld, followed by Dominic Greene.
    "Hostile takeovers. Shall we?"
    New 2020 ranking (for now DAF and FYEO keep their previous placements)
    1. TLD 2. TND 3. GF 4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
    Bond actors to be re-ranked later
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    So he's definitely not my least fave BV, that's probably Grey's Blofeld, followed by Dominic Greene.
    Greene was a delightfully slimy little POS imo. :))
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
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  • eric7064eric7064 USAPosts: 343MI6 Agent
    I don't dislike DAD as many others do on here. It's not even in my bottom 5. But I really do think the first half of the film is great. Gets off to a great start. Trails off a bit towards the end. But an enjoyable film for me.
  • am747am747 Posts: 720MI6 Agent
    Stephens portrays Graves quite well, the one issue I have with Graves is the character himself.

    Yes, he traded diamonds for weapons (as Colonel Moon) and used some of said diamonds for his 2nd sun (Icarus) but I still find unclear why he hates the West.
    I also find unclear how he was seeking revenge on the West with Icarus.

    I have not seen this film of late but Moon did speak about having studied in the west and learning western hypocrisy so may be that's where the hatred come from. Also in the view of North Korea, the division of Korea is probably due to the involvement of the "western powers"

    IMO, the story of DAD is an interesting one relatively speaking!
  • heartbroken_mr_draxheartbroken_mr_drax New Zealand Posts: 2,073MI6 Agent
    am747 wrote:
    IMO, the story of DAD is an interesting one relatively speaking!

    It's a missed opportunity though because the writing is so weak and cliched.
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  • LoeffelholzLoeffelholz The United States, With LovePosts: 8,995Quartermasters
    am747 wrote:
    IMO, the story of DAD is an interesting one relatively speaking!

    It's a missed opportunity though because the writing is so weak and cliched.

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  • Agent PurpleAgent Purple Posts: 857MI6 Agent
    eric7064 wrote:
    I don't dislike DAD as many others do on here. It's not even in my bottom 5. But I really do think the first half of the film is great. Gets off to a great start. Trails off a bit towards the end. But an enjoyable film for me.

    I guess I agree for the most part.

    What stops me from liking DAD more is mainly the cheesy dialogue and that "Time to face gravity!" line which, although well delivered by Brosnan, is clearly innapproppiate.

    But other than that, this is a fun watch for me.
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    New 2020 ranking (for now DAF and FYEO keep their previous placements)
    1. TLD 2. TND 3. GF 4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
    Bond actors to be re-ranked later
  • broadshoulderbroadshoulder Acton, London, UKPosts: 1,363MI6 Agent
    Stephens portrays Graves quite well, the one issue I have with Graves is the character himself.

    Yes, he traded diamonds for weapons (as Colonel Moon) and used some of said diamonds for his 2nd sun (Icarus) but I still find unclear why he hates the West.
    I also find unclear how he was seeking revenge on the West with Icarus.

    In short, my issue with Graves is that to me he's a somewhat underdeveloped villain, but his saving graces (for me anyway) are that 1) Toby Stephens played him well, and 2) he looks tough. So he's definitely not my least fave BV, that's probably Grey's Blofeld, followed by Dominic Greene.

    Stephens plays Graves appallingly

    Stephens got his direction from the infamous Tamahori who say Graves as an Alan B'stard. The leering, the sneering, the eyerolling and the over emphasis on his plummy accent. They are ham - pure ham

    He wanted to make Graves into Bond. He fails as many times he succeeds. A ridiculous cartoon of a villain who stands there rolling off platitudes in a ridiculous space suit

    I have always loathed Gustav Graves
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  • GrazmeisterGrazmeister Posts: 34MI6 Agent
    So...looks like my last Bond film viewing, pre-SPECTRE, is DAD. Just finished watching it, the night before SP in IMAX...

    Pros: the first half of the film, really---up to and including the sword fight. Some of Brozzer's best Bond work. I'll even allow the Derek Flint-style meditation/heart rate control. I don't mind Madonna's song, and her cameo works for me.

    Cons: most of the 2nd half, which feels constricted in the plastic 'ice palace' setting. CGI para-surf, Car duel on the ice, Icarus body suit, OTT disentigrating plane escape.

    Still...it's Bond, and I enjoy it :007)

    My thoughts exactly..when I last rewatched it I was really enjoying it for most of the first half. I couldn't remember why I thought it was so bad. Then we hit the invisible car and it was rapidly downhill from there. Quite a shame really. I still enjoy bits of it but I will always remember it as the only Bond movie I wanted to hurry up and finish when I saw it at the cinema because I was so bored. The bit on the plane at the end feels like it goes on forever..I was ready to go home when the Ice palace collapsed 8-).

    In the spirit of the thread then..

    Pros: Its a James Bond movie :D .Brosnan as Bond. Decent opening sequence, opening credits quite unique, turning up at the hotel in a state like its completely normal :)) , Zao was pretty cool, swordfight was entertaining and different, ice palace was a good setting..shame things were falling apart by then.

    Cons: Gustav Graves..too young and unconvincing, Jinx..ok in small doses but not very likeable, terrible CGI..those people sniping at the collapsing building in Spectre really need to re-watch this, Invisible car, Madonna..thank God she wasn't allowed a big part, the crappy Robocop fight on the plane.
  • heartbroken_mr_draxheartbroken_mr_drax New Zealand Posts: 2,073MI6 Agent
    A ridiculous cartoon  of a villain who stands there rolling off platitudes in a ridiculous space suit

    But isn't that precisely what the character is? He's not really an englishman, he's a clone?

    I dunno, I think Graves is actually quite good as a villain inside a terrible film...
    What stops me from liking DAD more is mainly the cheesy dialogue

    "They feast" that whole introduction is so poorly done it doesn't even work at an attractive level - even Pierce looks wrong in that short-sleeve Hawaiian shirt.
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  • Agent PurpleAgent Purple Posts: 857MI6 Agent
    What stops me from liking DAD more is mainly the cheesy dialogue

    "They feast" that whole introduction is so poorly done it doesn't even work at an attractive level - even Pierce looks wrong in that short-sleeve Hawaiian shirt.

    I actually like that line and scene, it's really stuff like "I don't like cockfights" and "I take it that Mr. Bond has been explaining his Big Bang theory" that feels rather overdone for me. Plus that silly "Time to face gravity!" line.

    Other than that, I can sit through the movie and have some fun with it.
    "Hostile takeovers. Shall we?"
    New 2020 ranking (for now DAF and FYEO keep their previous placements)
    1. TLD 2. TND 3. GF 4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
    Bond actors to be re-ranked later
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    Toby was excellent. He knew the score better than any other actor in the film, clearly, and gave an OTT performance to match the OTT nonsense.
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
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  • Agent PurpleAgent Purple Posts: 857MI6 Agent
    This movie does have one of my fave Brosnan performances as 007. I think it's pretty much on par with his TWINE performance.

    It's a shame that the writing limited the film's potential, but still, Brozzer had a much better sendoff performance than that of Connery in DAF (at least in my book).
    "Hostile takeovers. Shall we?"
    New 2020 ranking (for now DAF and FYEO keep their previous placements)
    1. TLD 2. TND 3. GF 4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
    Bond actors to be re-ranked later
  • heartbroken_mr_draxheartbroken_mr_drax New Zealand Posts: 2,073MI6 Agent
    This movie does have one of my fave Brosnan performances as 007. I think it's pretty much on par with his TWINE performance.

    It's a shame that the writing limited the film's potential, but still, Brozzer had a much better sendoff performance than that of Connery in DAF (at least in my book).

    Yeah I agree, Brozzer looks very comfortable and formidable in the role.

    So annoying that the movie has to be such utter rubbish! X-(
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    "Better make that two."
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    This movie does have one of my fave Brosnan performances as 007. I think it's pretty much on par with his TWINE performance.

    It's a shame that the writing limited the film's potential, but still, Brozzer had a much better sendoff performance than that of Connery in DAF (at least in my book).
    Agreed. Pierce is THE reason I continue to watch & enjoy the movie.
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
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