Pros and Cons: Die Another Day

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  • BlackleiterBlackleiter Washington, DCPosts: 5,615MI6 Agent
    Barbel wrote:
    chrisisall wrote:
    Brosnan gave his best performance.

    Kudos, chrisisall. Something that's often forgotten on the endless DAD-bashing bandwagon. There are many things that can be nitpicked about that (or indeed any other) film, but Brosnan's performance isn't one of them (although IMHO his best Bond performance was one film earlier).

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    Agree with both points.
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  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 36,651Chief of Staff
    chrisisall wrote:
    Barbel wrote:
    (although IMHO his best Bond performance was one film earlier).
    Personally, I thought he did a great job on all his last three, and a really good one on his first.

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  • broadshoulderbroadshoulder Acton, London, UKPosts: 1,363MI6 Agent
    Barbel wrote:
    chrisisall wrote:
    Brosnan gave his best performance.

    Kudos, chrisisall. Something that's often forgotten on the endless DAD-bashing bandwagon. There are many things that can be nitpicked about that (or indeed any other) film, but Brosnan's performance isn't one of them (although IMHO his best Bond performance was one film earlier).

    To be honest...perhaps your right..

    But caught between those two powerhouse Bonds - ie Dalton and Craig - he was found wanting.I was a devotee of the Dalton years and found with Brosnan - where did James Bond go?

    But its not entirely his fault - his directors could have been better...
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  • Absolutely_CartAbsolutely_Cart NJ/NYC, United StatesPosts: 1,740MI6 Agent
    If Die Another Day were a new IP rather than a James Bond film, it would've gotten much more acclaim.
  • AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,924MI6 Agent
    If Die Another Day were a new IP rather than a James Bond film, it would've gotten much more acclaim.

    There was going to be a Jinx Spin off, but luckily that Idea was shot down.
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  • Absolutely_CartAbsolutely_Cart NJ/NYC, United StatesPosts: 1,740MI6 Agent
    I meant moreso in terms of being separated from the Bond license rather than getting a sequel.

    I don't see it as a horrible film at all. The biggest mark it has against it is that it's not really a James Bond film.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    The biggest mark it has against it is that it's not really a James Bond film.
    You mean like how Star Trek: Generations is not really a Star Trek film?
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  • broadshoulderbroadshoulder Acton, London, UKPosts: 1,363MI6 Agent
    The biggest mark it has against it is that it's not really a James Bond film.

    Actually, its not - its a bad parody of a James bond film..
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  • MilleniumForceMilleniumForce LondonPosts: 1,214MI6 Agent
    Pros:
    Cool Hovercraft Chase
    Graves Parachute Jump
    Awesome Sword Fight
    John Cleese as Q
    The Virtual Reality scene (not a fan of the idea, but the scen is excellent in MI6)
    Ice Palace (if there's an ice hotel, I can buy this ice hotel - someone rich would do it.)
    Excellent Car Chase
    Rosamund Pike as Miranda Frost

    Cons:
    Halle Berry
    Gene Alteration surgery in Cuba
    Awkward sex scene with Bond and Jinx
    Madonna Song
    Madonna Cameo
    Invisible Car (although other gadgets on the car are good)
    Awful Laser Scene
    Jinx is the worst agent I've ever seen (since Rosie in LALD!)
    Terrible CGI
    Windsurfing scene
    Bad Plane Scene
    Moneypenny and Bond scene
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  • Absolutely_CartAbsolutely_Cart NJ/NYC, United StatesPosts: 1,740MI6 Agent
    Madonna Cameo

    Why? She wasn't that bad.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    Madonna Cameo

    Why? She wasn't that bad.
    I agree; it was pretty innocuous.
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  • broadshoulderbroadshoulder Acton, London, UKPosts: 1,363MI6 Agent
    Madonna Cameo

    Why? She wasn't that bad.

    She couldn't act her way out of a paper bag
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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    That's how I know that was a real fall at the Brits. As she couldn't
    Act it. :))
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  • BlackleiterBlackleiter Washington, DCPosts: 5,615MI6 Agent
    Madonna Cameo

    Why? She wasn't that bad.

    She couldn't act her way out of a paper bag

    She isn't really required to do much acting. It would matter more if her part was more significant, but as it I think she's pretty innocuous as our friend chris says.
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  • BlackleiterBlackleiter Washington, DCPosts: 5,615MI6 Agent
    Jinx is the worst agent I've ever seen (since Rosie in LALD!)

    They're pretty bad, but I'd throw Mary Goodnight into the mix as well.
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  • broadshoulderbroadshoulder Acton, London, UKPosts: 1,363MI6 Agent
    edited March 2015

    Why? She wasn't that bad.

    She couldn't act her way out of a paper bag

    She isn't really required to do much acting. It would matter more if her part was more significant, but as it I think she's pretty innocuous as our friend chris says.

    Sorry but when the scene is written around you, when the director gives you crummy lines - you are required to do some acting. She may not be RADA trained but she is required to do some.

    Is funny how Severine gets the same amount of time as Verity and doesn't stink the place up..
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  • BlackleiterBlackleiter Washington, DCPosts: 5,615MI6 Agent

    She couldn't act her way out of a paper bag

    She isn't really required to do much acting. It would matter more if her part was more significant, but as it I think she's pretty innocuous as our friend chris says.

    Sorry but when the scene is written around you, when the director gives you crummy lines - you are required to do some acting. She may not be RADA trained but she is required to do some.

    Is funny how Severine gets the same amount of time as Verity and doesn't stink the place up..

    I didn't say she wasn't required to do any acting - I said she wasn't required to do much acting. Madonna's part in DAD is so minimal and inconsequential that I barely noticed how well or poorly she did her lines, which is why she's innocuous to me. Severine, on the other hand, had a much more significant role despite her brief screen time (and Bérénice Marlohe pulls it off beautifully), so I don't think the comparison is particularly apt.
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  • ManxmanManxman Posts: 122MI6 Agent
    Pros:

    • Brosnan turns in one of his better performances
    • The first 15 or 20 minutes are among the darkest in any Bond film, presaging the Craig era
    • The main title sequence is outstanding – a world away from Maurice Binder’s arty nudes
    • The long-haired, bearded Bond cuts a strikingly incongruous figure in Hong Kong
    • Bond’s treatment of the arrogant South African is genuinely funny
    • Rosalind Pike’s over-the-top performance as Miranda Frost shouldn’t work but does
    • The fencing match is superbly choreographed

    Cons:

    • The CGI
    • The science-fiction elements, which fail to convince, as usual
    • The plot is basically a rehash of Diamonds Are Forever mixed with elements of the Moonraker novel
    • The “gene therapy” plot strand isn’t very convincing
    • An invisible car is borderline insulting to the intelligence
    • The scene where Bond fakes cardiac arrest makes no sense
    • The title song is the worst of the entire series
    • The overall tone is inconsistent — the film can’t decide whether it wants to be a noir-ish Craig-like spy thriller or a Moore-like romp
    • A lot of the dialogue consists of groan-inducing double entendres (though less so than Tomorrow Never Dies)
  • broadshoulderbroadshoulder Acton, London, UKPosts: 1,363MI6 Agent

    She isn't really required to do much acting. It would matter more if her part was more significant, but as it I think she's pretty innocuous as our friend chris says.

    Sorry but when the scene is written around you, when the director gives you crummy lines - you are required to do some acting. She may not be RADA trained but she is required to do some.

    Is funny how Severine gets the same amount of time as Verity and doesn't stink the place up..

    I didn't say she wasn't required to do any acting - I said she wasn't required to do much acting. Madonna's part in DAD is so minimal and inconsequential that I barely noticed how well or poorly she did her lines, which is why she's innocuous to me. Severine, on the other hand, had a much more significant role despite her brief screen time (and Bérénice Marlohe pulls it off beautifully), so I don't think the comparison is particularly apt.

    Was there really any need for Madonna to be there? - she's one of the most recognisable faces on the planet. Were the producers pleased that she could do it?

    Would the film been better for her not being there?
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  • BlackleiterBlackleiter Washington, DCPosts: 5,615MI6 Agent
    Would the film been better for her not being there?

    I honestly don't think it would have made any difference either way.
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  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    Would the film been better for her not being there?

    I honestly don't think it would have made any difference either way.
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  • Absolutely_CartAbsolutely_Cart NJ/NYC, United StatesPosts: 1,740MI6 Agent
    Still believe it's very underrated. I think once we get out of the Craig era (which by the way, don't get me wrong, I'll love), we'll be more accepting of a colorful less serious Bond film.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    I quite agree.
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  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    Still believe it's very underrated. I think once we get out of the Craig era (which by the way, don't get me wrong, I'll love), we'll be more accepting of a colorful less serious Bond film.
    What I don't quite understand is how many fans actually like MR a lot but most fans seem to despise DAD.... that's like loving apples but hating applesauce. :s
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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    Depends on the apples used to make the sauce ? ;)
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  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    Depends on the apples used to make the sauce ? ;)
    TP, I absolutely DEPEND upon you to bring in the obtuse. :))
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  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,597MI6 Agent
    chrisisall wrote:
    Still believe it's very underrated. I think once we get out of the Craig era (which by the way, don't get me wrong, I'll love), we'll be more accepting of a colorful less serious Bond film.
    What I don't quite understand is how many fans actually like MR a lot but most fans seem to despise DAD.... that's like loving apples but hating applesauce. :s

    MR has a consistent tone, and I think it's much better paced. The locations are better in MR. There are many similarities between the two films, but I think a lot of Moonraker is much better done.
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  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    Matt S wrote:
    MR has a consistent tone
    Agreed; consistently silly. :))
    MR has better photography, way better music, and better set design, but DAD has a way funnier villain, and Brosnan & Pike.
    DAD wins for me. -{

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  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,597MI6 Agent
    chrisisall wrote:
    Matt S wrote:
    MR has a consistent tone
    Agreed; consistently silly. :))
    MR has better photography, way better music, and better set design, but DAD has a way funnier villain, and Brosnan & Pike.
    DAD wins for me. -{

    Putting it on right now! :D

    Haha. I prefer Moore over Brosnan, and Dr. Goodhead is one of the best Bond girls. Rosamond Pike has looks, but I never liked her character. And Halle Berry is just terrible.
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  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    Matt S wrote:
    Haha. I prefer Moore over Brosnan, and Dr. Goodhead is one of the best Bond girls. Rosamond Pike has looks, but I never liked her character. And Halle Berry is just terrible.
    Sorry, having too much fun with DAD to debate this presently! :D
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