I think Connery and (to a lesser extent) Dalton are far more dangerous than Craig. Craig is the roughest and toughest Bond, but being "dangerous" needs more than physicality. I hope the next Bond is closer to Connery's level, and so far I have not seen Hiddleston do that.
Exactly. I'm sure any Bond between Connery and Brosnan could charge into an action scene if the director wanted it/script demanded it without giving it any thought and see what sticks - and I'm sure everyone would call them "dangerous" too.
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I think Connery and (to a lesser extent) Dalton are far more dangerous than Craig. Craig is the roughest and toughest Bond, but being "dangerous" needs more than physicality. I hope the next Bond is closer to Connery's level, and so far I have not seen Hiddleston do that.
Exactly. I'm sure any Bond between Connery and Brosnan could charge into an action scene if the director wanted it/script demanded it without giving it any thought and see what sticks - and I'm sure everyone would call them "dangerous" too.
Can't see Sir Roger doing that.
Of that of which we cannot speak we must pass over in silence- Ludwig Wittgenstein.
As Welshboy said, it all depends on your definition of dangerous, Blofeld is dangerous but in nearly all his guises couldn't punch way out of a paper bag, Dalton had a mix of intelligence and physicality, Moore was mostly all intelligence, as I've said before connery was smooth but with an underlying air of brutality and a love for fighting. Lazenby to me comes across quite unintelligent but did look physical but over all a very amiable chap. Craig is bullish, physical semi intelligent but over all bad tempered and grumpy (except in SP) I'd say Dalton had the most dangerous air along with connery. But I do like Craigs blunt instrument character. Probably more realistic to a real life security service asset.. As a spy he definately no longer is....
Exactly. I'm sure any Bond between Connery and Brosnan could charge into an action scene if the director wanted it/script demanded it without giving it any thought and see what sticks - and I'm sure everyone would call them "dangerous" too.
Can't see Sir Roger doing that.
Surely a new actor chosen for the role of Bond would be able to act as if he was dangerous? IMO only two men who have played Bond have actually given off the 'tough guy in real life' vibe - Connery & Lazenby. The others have simply acted it with varying degrees of success. Nothing wrong with being able to act tough, just as long as it's convincing.
Understood, but the point I failed to make was that Roger never managed to convince me as a dangerous person, charming yes, dangerous or tough no. To a lesser extent the same is true of Brozzer, but he moved better so was able to fake it better in my opinion (which is the point that I think you are making) . Dalton divides opinion in as much as I can feel the latent tension and potential for explosiveness in his is gaze.Others disagree, and I recall him being described as fey by a commentator (apologies if forget who)
Of that of which we cannot speak we must pass over in silence- Ludwig Wittgenstein.
Rog IMO always comes across as the iron fist in the silk glove, much the same as David Niven did. One of the toughest men I ever met looked more like Charles Hawtrey than Charles Bronson, so I have never bought into " he looks tough" or " he looks like he can handle himself".
Rog IMO always comes across as the iron fist in the silk glove, much the same as David Niven did. One of the toughest men I ever met looked more like Charles Hawtrey than Charles Bronson, so I have never bought into " he looks tough" or " he looks like he can handle himself".
Quite true, it's in the eyes, in my life and in volatile situations I've never given the noisy hulk with the scars and broken nose a second thought, its the quiet one who watches I keep my eye on. I've always found it interesting how some men in such situations shout and flex and threaten and all the lets step outside rubbish. When I've had to (I've never started a fight in my Life) I've always missed out the threatening bit and gone straight in usually with a left elbow.
Nothing to do with looking tough (that will be different things to different people) it's about that six sense - the instinct that someone is not to be messed with. Of course that too will manifest itself in different ways to different people but over my years of working out on the streets I developed that sixth sense.
I'm lucky as I look like a thug... I've done some door and security work
Over the years " Green trainers ! You're Not coming in, jog on !"
But am really a snuggley, little kitten of a bunny rabbit underneath the shell.
"I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
I'm lucky as I look like a thug... I've done some door and security work
Over the years " Green trainers ! You're Not coming in, jog on !"
But am really a snuggley, little kitten of a bunny rabbit underneath the shell.
I think we are just healthy rounded men, easily dispatching thugs, villains and men in green trainers, then finishing our drink (calmly) before going home cuddling the kids, petting the dog and dodging the wife's venom.
Well....Connery was Connery, he was 360 degrees of badass but with charm and a unique sardonic wit; probably the greatest casting decision in history. I thought Brosnan did a very good job of acting tough, had a hand to hand style that looked good and ironically had far and away the highest body count as Bond (I call him the "video game Bond" or "Machine Gun Bond"because of this). Lazenby looked like Bond, moved like Bond, fought like Bond, acted like high school drama guild. I don't like to bash Roger Moore because while his tenure as Bond is my least favorite but his films on the whole were very popular and it was an entirely different take on Bond than Connery. One of my issues with Moore is you just knew in every action scene anything that looked good was a double. Dalton, who did not come from an action/adventure film background really nailed all the physical stuff, had real intensity and IMO was Fleming's Bond. Craig has played tough and deadly very well. He has benefitted from excellent fight direction and IMO moves very well in action scenes, especially fights and he really is very convincing as an SBS trained, efficient, cold blooded assassin. Like Connery, he's one of the good guys, but he kills like a villain which IMO is part of the whole Bond mystique. The knife fight in QOS is a good example of Craig at his best. The fight is not easy but he pulls it off convincingly like someone will real training and experience and then finishes off a helpless crippled opponent and moves on.
Yes that fight in qos along with the hinx fight are two of the best, I hope the next actor has a similar fighting technique and is belivable. The one thing missing in SP was bonds post fight wounds, which is more of a Moore era thing.
I think Connery, Lazenby and Craig all move like fighters. Light on their
Feet and all look like they know how to throw a punch or two. With Moore
Brosnan ( Don't get me wrong I love their movies too) it seemed more
Theatrical fighting, and oddly much as I love Dalton as Bond, to me at least
He moved awkwardly.
One of the little bits of business in Spectre was during the Train fight, was
When Bond grabbed an over hanging pipe to swing out with his legs at Hinx.
This has been done a few times in older films but here. Hinx just swipes Bond
Aside on to the floor.
"I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
I think Connery, Lazenby and Craig all move like fighters. Light on their
Feet and all look like they know how to throw a punch or two. With Moore
Brosnan ( Don't get me wrong I love their movies too) it seemed more
Theatrical fighting, and oddly much as I love Dalton as Bond, to me at least
He moved awkwardly.
One of the little bits of business in Spectre was during the Train fight, was
When Bond grabbed an over hanging pipe to swing out with his legs at Hinx.
This has been done a few times in older films but here. Hinx just swipes Bond
Aside on to the floor.
Roger Moore used that move in both his train fights, to better effect than Craig. Craig does deliver a terrific headbutt though. In fact DC has loads of great hand to hand fights some of the best, and still up there is Sean connery and red grants fight.... Awesome stuff
Agreed -{ Craig has had some great fights ( I hope that continues with the next guy )
One of the things I love about his train fight, is No Music. Simply the sounds of punches.
"I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
I think Connery, Lazenby and Craig all move like fighters. Light on their
Feet and all look like they know how to throw a punch or two. With Moore
Brosnan ( Don't get me wrong I love their movies too) it seemed more
Theatrical fighting, and oddly much as I love Dalton as Bond, to me at least
He moved awkwardly.
One of the little bits of business in Spectre was during the Train fight, was
When Bond grabbed an over hanging pipe to swing out with his legs at Hinx.
This has been done a few times in older films but here. Hinx just swipes Bond
Aside on to the floor.
Roger Moore used that move in both his train fights, to better effect than Craig. Craig does deliver a terrific headbutt though. In fact DC has loads of great hand to hand fights some of the best, and still up there is Sean connery and red grants fight.... Awesome stuff
Yes, that was Moore's move. He was doing the same move all the time back in The Saint. Nobody wants to admit that Craig stole that move from the Bond who isn't known for his fighting!
To my mind it was a way of letting the fans know ( as fans know many signature moves)
The old ways were gone, Bond was going to have to be more ........ inventive.
"I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
Rog IMO always comes across as the iron fist in the silk glove, much the same as David Niven did. One of the toughest men I ever met looked more like Charles Hawtrey than Charles Bronson, so I have never bought into " he looks tough" or " he looks like he can handle himself".
You are so right. It's not about 'looks tough' it's something indefinable, but you know it when you meet it or see it. For me it's never sensed that from Sir Roger, to me he moved awkwardly which undermined any sense of threat or danger. He is charmingly honest about not liking the rough stuff, explosions or guns, he was more than happy to let the studio to guys do it.
Of that of which we cannot speak we must pass over in silence- Ludwig Wittgenstein.
How tough you really are and how you appear on screen are different things. Case in point: guns of Navarone.
Look at this picture of the cast:
I always thought Miller (David Niven) and Franklin (Antony Quayle) were the least tough of the sabouteurs. But in real life Niven was a commando officer during WWII and Quayle was in the SOE. Niven also led a unit of he GHQ Liaison Regiment (often known as "Phantom"), a special reconnaissance unit that operated behind enemy lines.
How tough you really are and how you appear on screen are different things. Case in point: guns of Navarone.
Look at this picture of the cast:
I always thought Miller (David Niven) and Franklin (Antony Quayle) were the least tough of the sabouteurs. But in real life Niven was a commando officer during WWII and Quayle was in the SOE. Niven also led a unit of he GHQ Liaison Regiment (often known as "Phantom"), a special reconnaissance unit that operated behind enemy lines.
How tough you really are and how you appear on screen are different things. Case in point: guns of Navarone.
Look at this picture of the cast:
I always thought Miller (David Niven) and Franklin (Antony Quayle) were the least tough of the sabouteurs. But in real life Niven was a commando officer during WWII and Quayle was in the SOE. Niven also led a unit of he GHQ Liaison Regiment (often known as "Phantom"), a special reconnaissance unit that operated behind enemy lines.
I bet youre a tough man number24
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Not really, no. I've been reading a bit on the Phantom unit after I first posted. Niven was even a squadron commander!
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Exactly. I'm sure any Bond between Connery and Brosnan could charge into an action scene if the director wanted it/script demanded it without giving it any thought and see what sticks - and I'm sure everyone would call them "dangerous" too.
Reckless?
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Can't see Sir Roger doing that.
Understood, but the point I failed to make was that Roger never managed to convince me as a dangerous person, charming yes, dangerous or tough no. To a lesser extent the same is true of Brozzer, but he moved better so was able to fake it better in my opinion (which is the point that I think you are making) . Dalton divides opinion in as much as I can feel the latent tension and potential for explosiveness in his is gaze.Others disagree, and I recall him being described as fey by a commentator (apologies if forget who)
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Over the years " Green trainers ! You're Not coming in, jog on !"
But am really a snuggley, little kitten of a bunny rabbit underneath the shell.
Feet and all look like they know how to throw a punch or two. With Moore
Brosnan ( Don't get me wrong I love their movies too) it seemed more
Theatrical fighting, and oddly much as I love Dalton as Bond, to me at least
He moved awkwardly.
One of the little bits of business in Spectre was during the Train fight, was
When Bond grabbed an over hanging pipe to swing out with his legs at Hinx.
This has been done a few times in older films but here. Hinx just swipes Bond
Aside on to the floor.
One of the things I love about his train fight, is No Music. Simply the sounds of punches.
Yes, that was Moore's move. He was doing the same move all the time back in The Saint. Nobody wants to admit that Craig stole that move from the Bond who isn't known for his fighting!
The old ways were gone, Bond was going to have to be more ........ inventive.
You are so right. It's not about 'looks tough' it's something indefinable, but you know it when you meet it or see it. For me it's never sensed that from Sir Roger, to me he moved awkwardly which undermined any sense of threat or danger. He is charmingly honest about not liking the rough stuff, explosions or guns, he was more than happy to let the studio to guys do it.
Look at this picture of the cast:
I always thought Miller (David Niven) and Franklin (Antony Quayle) were the least tough of the sabouteurs. But in real life Niven was a commando officer during WWII and Quayle was in the SOE. Niven also led a unit of he GHQ Liaison Regiment (often known as "Phantom"), a special reconnaissance unit that operated behind enemy lines.
Not really, no. I've been reading a bit on the Phantom unit after I first posted. Niven was even a squadron commander!
Niven in the Phantom regiment:
The Duke of Kent inspects “Phantom” A Squadron in Richmond Park, escorted by a helmeted Major David Niven with “Hoppy” Hopkinson on extreme left.
If he got on an elevator with you, you'd feel uneasy even if he were wearing a bespoke suit.
Only Sean Connery would do that for me. Other Bonds only seem dangerous once you see them in action
shorthand for all you need to know.