Next Bond after Craig: Rumours, etc

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  • MarcAngeDracoMarcAngeDraco Piz GloriaPosts: 564MI6 Agent
    The other thing to note is that there allegedly is a studio obligation to release a Bond film every few years, so I'm not sold on the fact that we'll be heading into a long gestation period akin to the wait between QOS and SF, or LTK and GE. Also, one of the producers suggested at the beginning of the year that they've already started work on story ideas (i.e. what are we afraid of today?). So, what are the chances that Craig isn't in the loop yet? I also wonder if Babs and co are going to pull a stunt like they did with Brosnan - offer him the role then revoke it after some time.

    Also, the talk about Craig having a producer credit doesn't mean much. A 'co-producer' credit or an 'associate producer' credit means little in the industry (unlike producer and executive producer credits). It usually means that the person who is accredited as such was able to bring someone along to the production. I've read reports that Craig begged for Mendes to return, so perhaps the co producer credit evolved from Craig luring Mendes to the project.
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  • HalfMonk HalfHitmanHalfMonk HalfHitman USAPosts: 2,334MI6 Agent
    Chriscoop wrote:
    Yes thanks Walter p99, some clarity is most welcome, it's hard to gauge mood or context from the written word.

    There's video, though.

    http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2016/10/08/daniel-craig-speaks-if-i-were-to-stop-doing-it-id-miss-it-terribly

    I think he's legitimately undecided. We know Eon wants him back, and a year after finishing Spectre he now seems wistful about the idea of leaving the gig. At the same time he was very vocal last night about how he was away from home for a year on the last one.

    He's probably waiting to see if the script/offer are enough to make him put himself through another one - like him or not he gives it his all every time. Getting back on that train for a fifth go-round is, one can imagine, not a decision to be made lightly. If Eon wants him back, which they're on record as saying, it sounds like his call.
  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,597MI6 Agent
    I also wonder if Babs and co are going to pull a stunt like they did with Brosnan - offer him the role then revoke it after some time.

    I can't see this happening. Craig was Barbara's pick whilst Brosnan was ultimately her dad's as well as the popular choice. Craig appears to have a much different relationship with the producers than Brosnan had.
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  • bonded123bonded123 Posts: 291MI6 Agent
    edited October 2016

    I think he's legitimately undecided. We know Eon wants him back, and a year after finishing Spectre he now seems wistful about the idea of leaving the gig. At the same time he was very vocal last night about how he was away from home for a year on the last one.

    He's probably waiting to see if the script/offer are enough to make him put himself through another one - like him or not he gives it his all every time. Getting back on that train for a fifth go-round is, one can imagine, not a decision to be made lightly. If Eon wants him back, which they're on record as saying, it sounds like his call.

    HalfMonk HalfHitman,

    I don't believe Craig is legitimately undecided. In the Time Out interview he made it clear:
    You want to move on from Bond for good?
    ‘I haven’t given it any thought. For at least a year or two, I just don’t want to think about it. I don’t know what the next step is. I’ve no idea. Not because I’m trying to be cagey. Who the **** knows? At the moment, we’ve done it. I’m not in discussion with anybody about anything. If I did another Bond movie, it would only be for the money.’

    He'll only return if he can secure a big enough fee. I don't believe he has any enthusiasm left for the role.

    I don't mean this as anti-Craig. He's entitled to say "only for the money" but fans are entitled to say "I'd rather have someone more enthusiastic in the role." It seems clear to me he's delaying a "yes" or "no" answer about returning because it gives the impression he's gone and the producers may/probably will offer him a vast amount to return. I guess that's his tactic. If the fee isn't to his liking he'll walk. Of course this tactic can backfire as was the case with Pierce Brosnan! It was alleged Brosnan wanted a lot for a fifth film and the producers turned him down.
  • Gala BrandGala Brand Posts: 1,172MI6 Agent
    The other thing to note is that there allegedly is a studio obligation to release a Bond film every few years, so I'm not sold on the fact that we'll be heading into a long gestation period akin to the wait between QOS and SF, or LTK and GE. Also, one of the producers suggested at the beginning of the year that they've already started work on story ideas (i.e. what are we afraid of today?). So, what are the chances that Craig isn't in the loop yet? I also wonder if Babs and co are going to pull a stunt like they did with Brosnan - offer him the role then revoke it after some time.

    Also, the talk about Craig having a producer credit doesn't mean much. A 'co-producer' credit or an 'associate producer' credit means little in the industry (unlike producer and executive producer credits). It usually means that the person who is accredited as such was able to bring someone along to the production. I've read reports that Craig begged for Mendes to return, so perhaps the co producer credit evolved from Craig luring Mendes to the project.

    EON may have an obligation produce Bond films on a certain schedule, in fact I'm sure they do, but MGM has an obligation to fund them.

    You can't make a movie if you don't have any money.

    Right now, it's MGM that's falling down on the job.
  • zaphod99zaphod99 Posts: 1,415MI6 Agent
    Chriscoop wrote:
    Yes thanks Walter p99, some clarity is most welcome, it's hard to gauge mood or context from the written word.

    It was also hard to gauge from the video as it was cleverly very open to more than one interpretation. He is an actor of considerable skill don't forget. :007)
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  • HalfMonk HalfHitmanHalfMonk HalfHitman USAPosts: 2,334MI6 Agent
    edited October 2016
    bonded123 wrote:
    I don't believe Craig is legitimately undecided. In the Time Out interview he made it clear:
    You want to move on from Bond for good?
    ‘I haven’t given it any thought. For at least a year or two, I just don’t want to think about it. I don’t know what the next step is. I’ve no idea. Not because I’m trying to be cagey. Who the **** knows? At the moment, we’ve done it. I’m not in discussion with anybody about anything. If I did another Bond movie, it would only be for the money.’

    He'll only return if he can secure a big enough fee. I don't believe he has any enthusiasm left for the role.

    But you're ignoring literally everything else in the quote.

    There's also been, as I said, a year to mellow and change his mind. Friday night he sounded positively nostalgic about it. It's in the video and in the quotes. He's very vocally recognizing it's the best job in the world, and he'd miss it "if I were to stop doing it." Could be diplomacy, could be public negotiating, but I really believe nothing's been decided.

    Edit:

    David captured answers to some other questions (not just clothing!) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZB8-VRpglnc&feature=youtu.be
  • bonded123bonded123 Posts: 291MI6 Agent
    edited October 2016
    The simple fact is he said he'd only return for the money so that shows he has zero interest in playing the role for the role's sake. He has no desire to return but if you pay him enough he'll endure six/seven months of filming and a few months of promotion. If fans don't want to accept that, go ahead, but you can't change what he said.

    Craig said he doesn't do jobs for money and I do not believe him. He is getting paid around 250,000 dollars for each episode of Purity so please don't kid yourself he is not giving a definite reply to Bond cos the producers are tired. It's bullsh*t. If he wants to come back he can say "yes" - and if he doesn't want to come back he can say "no" - it's not hard to do that, but he's staying quiet because he knows the longer he stays quiet the greater the chance the producers will hike up his salary to persuade "only for the money" Craig to return.
  • JarvioJarvio EnglandPosts: 4,236MI6 Agent
    Just a little idea, why don't the mods add the following poll - "Do you think Daniel Craig will return as James Bond?" Would be interesting to see what the majority think.
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  • HowardBHowardB USAPosts: 2,744MI6 Agent
    I think the uncertainty and not knowing is starting to wear on we Bond fans, some a bit more than others. I think for most of us, an announcement one way or another would be a relief. Most seem to have made our peace with the idea of Craig moving on. I am a little befuddled by those who seem to be believe that Craig is trying to leverage EON, et al for more money and find that deplorable and are conveying a great deal of resentment over something that we have no idea is even remotely true or not. I'm not judging, people are entitled to their feelings and emotions and this forum is a great place to vent them. My personal frustration is that I wish they would all just bloody get on with it. As my late Father used to say "Crap or get off the pot already". I'm 59 and I don't want to see Bond 25 from my bed at the "home" :)) .
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 36,480Chief of Staff
    Jarvio wrote:
    Just a little idea, why don't the mods add the following poll - "Do you think Daniel Craig will return as James Bond?" Would be interesting to see what the majority think.

    Doesn't have to be a mod, Jarvio- go ahead, just prefix your heading with "POLL".
  • HalfMonk HalfHitmanHalfMonk HalfHitman USAPosts: 2,334MI6 Agent
    bonded123 wrote:
    The simple fact is he said he'd only return for the money so that shows he has zero interest in playing the role for the role's sake. He has no desire to return but if you pay him enough he'll endure six/seven months of filming and a few months of promotion. If fans don't want to accept that, go ahead, but you can't change what he said.

    Craig said he doesn't do jobs for money and I do not believe him. He is getting paid around 250,000 dollars for each episode of Purity so please don't kid yourself he is not giving a definite reply to Bond cos the producers are tired. It's bullsh*t. If he wants to come back he can say "yes" - and if he doesn't want to come back he can say "no" - it's not hard to do that, but he's staying quiet because he knows the longer he stays quiet the greater the chance the producers will hike up his salary to persuade "only for the money" Craig to return.

    Nonsense.
  • HalfMonk HalfHitmanHalfMonk HalfHitman USAPosts: 2,334MI6 Agent
    HowardB wrote:
    I think the uncertainty and not knowing is starting to wear on we Bond fans, some a bit more than others. I think for most of us, an announcement one way or another would be a relief. Most seem to have made our peace with the idea of Craig moving on. I am a little befuddled by those who seem to be believe that Craig is trying to leverage EON, et al for more money and find that deplorable and are conveying a great deal of resentment over something that we have no idea is even remotely true or not. I'm not judging, people are entitled to their feelings and emotions and this forum is a great place to vent them. My personal frustration is that I wish they would all just bloody get on with it. As my late Father used to say "Crap or get off the pot already". I'm 59 and I don't want to see Bond 25 from my bed at the "home" :)) .

    + 1 :))
  • armenianmoviemanarmenianmovieman The 818Posts: 675MI6 Agent
    I honestly think that after a very long production for Spectre, and after some people's reception to the whole Blofeld-and-Bond-were-really-adoptive-brothers-for-a-few-years plot, I honestly think everybody (except for John Logan, who is just writing his own first draft\outline with minimal EON input) is just taking a breather so that they can come back and kick butt.

    While I love all 4 of Craig's films, upon reading about the productions of the movies it becomes clear that with Casino Royale and Skyfall they had enough time and a complete script, beginning to end, and a very clear vision of the story they want to tell before filming began: CR being a Bond origin story reboot for the post-Bourne 21st century and Skyfall being an anniversary film and a reboot from the sunbaked intense action of the first 2 films to a more classical gothic Bond style.

    Spectre and QoS were incomplete scripts, and perhaps the producers were resting on their laurels a bit? I know it was the writer's strike but I think that Broccolli thought the foster brother subplot would fly given all the goodwill from the last movie.

    This is why Broccoli is producing something else: to take her mind off things, take a breather, then come back with fresh eyes to come up with an interesting story, and of course, a complete one this time around.
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  • ShadowfallShadowfall Posts: 42MI6 Agent
    We can only hope. But us Bond fans get grouchy at lack of news. How we coped pre Internet I'll never know.
  • MarcAngeDracoMarcAngeDraco Piz GloriaPosts: 564MI6 Agent
    I agree with what you're saying about spending time to tell the story they want to tell (though in regards to CR, it's a misfire in my eyes), except for this:
    I think that Broccolli thought the foster brother subplot would fly given all the goodwill from the last movie.

    If Babs really thought it was a good idea, she shouldn't be in charge. Plain and simple.
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  • bonded123bonded123 Posts: 291MI6 Agent
    bonded123 wrote:
    The simple fact is he said he'd only return for the money so that shows he has zero interest in playing the role for the role's sake. He has no desire to return but if you pay him enough he'll endure six/seven months of filming and a few months of promotion. If fans don't want to accept that, go ahead, but you can't change what he said.

    Craig said he doesn't do jobs for money and I do not believe him. He is getting paid around 250,000 dollars for each episode of Purity so please don't kid yourself he is not giving a definite reply to Bond cos the producers are tired. It's bullsh*t. If he wants to come back he can say "yes" - and if he doesn't want to come back he can say "no" - it's not hard to do that, but he's staying quiet because he knows the longer he stays quiet the greater the chance the producers will hike up his salary to persuade "only for the money" Craig to return.

    Nonsense.

    It's not nonsense that he said he'd only return for the money. Had he not said that I could believe his desire to return - even though he hasn't said "I want to return" - is genuine. Perhaps it's nonsense to believe every actor playing or wanting to play James Bond does so because of some great love of the character. I respectfully submit the likes of Mr Elba and Mr Cavill and Mr Hiddleston crave the part because of the huge financial benefit and not due to some huge love for Bond. Henry Cavill said he's in acting for the money:

    Cavil said: 'I’m not just doing this for the art. The money’s fantastic and that’s something which I deem - and again, it is frowned upon - very important.'

    Adding: 'People will be calling me a c**k as they’re reading this, but travel’s great as long as you’re going first class. I mean, traveling to New Zealand in economy, it sucks. Especially if you’re over six feet. But first class? I’m not going to ever pretend to be coy about that. I love it.'

    Why should Daniel Craig be any different? Okay, Daniel Craig does plays - and I have no idea how much he is getting paid to star in Othello - perhaps not a vast amount, but why should Daniel Craig think a fifth Bond film is some duty he owes to the fans. Clearly he doesn't think like that and, like Cavill, he's in it for the money. It's such a well-paid job so it's naive or foolish to reply with a dismissive comment like: "nonsense" when you know millions of dollars are available to an actor. I'm not saying Bond actors shouldn't get well-paid, I'm merely suggesting that Craig's vague comments about returning should be put in context within the Time Out article. And just for the record I don't believe any prior Bond actor has ever said in public he'd return only for the money.
    If I did another Bond movie, it would only be for the money

    You may think Craig is just being honest but the downside is it shows zero interest in the part.
  • ShadowfallShadowfall Posts: 42MI6 Agent
    Craig may now only be in it for the money. But I think his biggest issue when it comes to his relationship with the media and by extension with the fans, is that he says what he thinks in the moment. Him now saying 'id miss bond if I was to stop' doesn't have to be any less true than 'only for the money' or 'slash my wrists'. But he now has more distance from the issue. If he does or doesn't choose to come back we will probably never know all the reasons and him coming back doesn't nessecerily mean it is all about the money.

    Also, his initial negative comments have kept bond in the press for the past year. Which is pretty impressive when no new news is on the horizon.
  • HalfMonk HalfHitmanHalfMonk HalfHitman USAPosts: 2,334MI6 Agent
    bonded123 wrote:
    Cavil said: 'I’m not just doing this for the art. The money’s fantastic and that’s something which I deem - and again, it is frowned upon - very important.'

    Adding: 'People will be calling me a c**k as they’re reading this, but travel’s great as long as you’re going first class. I mean, traveling to New Zealand in economy, it sucks. Especially if you’re over six feet. But first class? I’m not going to ever pretend to be coy about that. I love it.'

    Why should Daniel Craig be any different? Okay, Daniel Craig does plays - and I have no idea how much he is getting paid to star in Othello - perhaps not a vast amount, but why should Daniel Craig think a fifth Bond film is some duty he owes to the fans. Clearly he doesn't think like that and, like Cavill, he's in it for the money.

    What airtight logic! You're using another person's quotes to make the case for what Craig is thinking! This is ridiculous.

    I was there, I heard what I heard and saw what I saw, and my takeaway is close to yours in that is Craig is thinking "Give me a reason to do another one." But we differ in what that "something" is. He wants for nothing, he's wealthy beyond his wildest dreams, and while you keep taking the "only for the money" statement out of context, I think he would come back if they showed him a script he couldn't turn down. I don't think it was a coincidence that he brought that story about Casino Royale's script back up. Everything we heard on Friday - which was Friday, not a year ago, suggests his position is Convince me it's a good idea, convince me WITH GOOD MATERIAL I should spend another year away from home, putting my body through the wringer, and I will.
  • HalfMonk HalfHitmanHalfMonk HalfHitman USAPosts: 2,334MI6 Agent
    Shadowfall wrote:
    Craig may now only be in it for the money. But I think his biggest issue when it comes to his relationship with the media and by extension with the fans, is that he says what he thinks in the moment. Him now saying 'id miss bond if I was to stop' doesn't have to be any less true than 'only for the money' or 'slash my wrists'. But he now has more distance from the issue. If he does or doesn't choose to come back we will probably never know all the reasons and him coming back doesn't necessarily mean it is all about the money.

    Agreed. For all we know he might decide in six months that he needs to hit the gym anyway, so he might as well get paid for it. :))
  • ChriscoopChriscoop Belize Posts: 10,449MI6 Agent
    Dc's only for the money quote was given the day after Spectre filming, and at that moment as HE said at the moment I'm done and for sure his mindset at that time was to do another would only be for money. But that doesn't mean it's all he's about! Let's not forget he how much he put into qos unpaid due to the writers strike, and how he has contributed to the series outside of just acting his role! And if he is highly paid so what? Would anyone here agree to do a job just for the love of it? Spend months away from home, live out of a suitcase, live like a Monk and then have to sit through hours and hours of dim witted interviews day after day. A bond film production and promotion is all consuming I don't begrudge him his paycheck I also like his honesty, it's refreshing not to have all actors gushing completely about how brilliant everything is. He is also not alone in his attitude to stupid questions, Deniro actually walked out of an interview promoting his new film due to ridiculous questions. Let's just take Dc's comments in context and stop putting a cheap website spin on things.
    Cavill is an unmarried guy with totally different ethics and attitude to DC, who is married with kids and a bit of a happy at home sort of guy.
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  • ShadowfallShadowfall Posts: 42MI6 Agent
    Shadowfall wrote:
    Craig may now only be in it for the money. But I think his biggest issue when it comes to his relationship with the media and by extension with the fans, is that he says what he thinks in the moment. Him now saying 'id miss bond if I was to stop' doesn't have to be any less true than 'only for the money' or 'slash my wrists'. But he now has more distance from the issue. If he does or doesn't choose to come back we will probably never know all the reasons and him coming back doesn't necessarily mean it is all about the money.

    Agreed. For all we know he might decide in six months that he needs to hit the gym anyway, so he might as well get paid for it. :))

    I'm sure nothing keeps the middle age paunch off better than knowing you have to fit into Tom Ford. :))
  • jalconjalcon Posts: 25MI6 Agent
    "As far as I'm concerned, I've got the best job in the world. I'll keep doing it as long as I still get a kick out of it. If I were to stop doing it, I would miss it terribly."

    “I love this job. I get a massive kick out of it. And if I can keep getting a kick out of it, I will.”

    “I’ve got the best job in the world doing Bond. The things I get to do on a Bond movie and the type of work it is, there’s no other job like it.”

    He'll be back. Seems pretty clear to me, unless I'm completely missing something :))
  • lotuslotus englandPosts: 292MI6 Agent
    He will be back
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    Our money's on Tom Hiddleston for the new James Bond but what do you think? Culture Whisper's guide to who might be the new James Bond is now live! And we'd love to hear your thoughts on our shortlist...

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  • Red IndianRed Indian BostonPosts: 427MI6 Agent
    He'll be back. Sounds like he really enjoys working with BB - they're practically coordinating schedules! I think he'll do at least one more, maybe next year to be released in 2018? Fingers crossed...
  • walther p99walther p99 NJPosts: 3,416MI6 Agent
    If he does return, it wont be for awhile yet. Just doesn't seem to be any urgency from Craig or EON since they're all busy with other projects. And why should they rush? Makes sense since SP was ultimately underwhelming with so much thrown into it. Probably want some proper distance to gather up enthusiasm again and hopefully hash out a better story. Like he said on Friday, they're "just tired" and have "moved on". I think we should to.
  • ChriscoopChriscoop Belize Posts: 10,449MI6 Agent
    If he does return, it wont be for awhile yet. Just doesn't seem to be any urgency from Craig or EON since they're all busy with other projects. And why should they rush? Makes sense since SP was ultimately underwhelming with so much thrown into it. Probably want some proper distance to gather up enthusiasm again and hopefully hash out a better story. Like he said on Friday, they're "just tired" and have "moved on". I think we should to.
    What?? Move on from bond? Walther p99 I think you've lost your senses man. Go straight to the everything eva thread immediately and think about what you've said. :D
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  • OrnithologistOrnithologist BerlinPosts: 584MI6 Agent
    Chriscoop wrote:
    I honestly think there has been some sort of disagreement between dc and eon or mendes and dc is waiting for a script.
    I mean come on give the guy a break, this is the man who read all the novels and worked hard to be true in a modern sense to Flemings character, and who in an interview when asked why his bond wasn't comical anymore answerd "have you read the books? Did you roll around laughing at them?" and who also said "I don't do shtick, I can't do shtick, we need to distance bond from Austin powers" and who then gets sp's script and story arc, I bet he was delighted about that.

    I didn't know he read all the books and was personally in favor of a more Fleming-esque Bond! Makes me like him even more. However, is the other part of your post pure speculation though, because it has been said it was Craig who specifically wanted Mendes back (and the latter didn't write the SPECTRE script himself, did he?)

    I'm actually undecided as to whether Craig should return. It seems there are two camps here, a large majority who wants him back and a minority who didn't like him as Bond and hope he's gone. I've enjoyed all of his films and think he is a great Bond. Though I did like the direction and feel of CR and QOS (despite its flaws) better than Skyfall (though visually excellent) and SPECTRE. I had a weird feeling about Craig in Spectre, who still acts well but I thought his portrayal had lost some of the energy or enthusiasm he put into the role earlier. I thought it was him growing tired of the role but based on what you said it could very well be that he was simply unhappy with some of the decisions that had been made. A new actor could increase the pressure on the rest of the team to come up with a movie that can stand on its own legs, however if they can pull off another really good one with Craig, and he is indeed secretly lobbying towards that goal, then they should by all means keep him :)
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