Reading between the lines and the fact Bond is described as "inactive" I think that he isn't retired after all mi6 isn't just some country club you resign from, I think he may well be on the inactive roster, but still on the payroll and 007.
Looking at the brief plot synopsis, it might be a bit of fun if when Felix approaches Bond about getting back into the fray and helping him, Bond's initial response is "I'd rather slit my wrists....."
) I'm going to pinch that for the Shakespeare thread!
I don't know if the scientist part is confirmed. Waldo, it does sound very scientific ....
you, one of Our best known psalm composers was named Peter Dass (Dass = outhouse, latrine), so anything is possible )
So Bond will be out searching for this kidnapped scientist. The scientist will be hidden in a crowd of people, wearing a striped shirt, but Bond will have a difficult time finding him. Bond will be interrogating people with the line ‘Where’s Waldo?’
the idea that Bond is no longer active and is living in Jamaica is actually similar to Pearson's Bond Biography. in that book, a 52 year old Bond is on prolonged sick leave, living in Bermuda in William Stephenson's penthouse suite atop a posh hotel, and on the verge of marrying the fabulously wealthy Mrs Honey Schultz, but desperately checking his messages every five minutes hoping for one last mission instead.
Maybe CraigBond has already got himself hitched, but can never be happy leading a normal life and is secretly desperately hoping for one last mission instead of going to boring old dinner parties or whatever normal married folk do?
(speaking of being dragged to boring old dinner parties, maybe they can finally do Quantum of Solace right this time as the set up for the first act)
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I like the whole midlife introspection that they’ve borrowed from the later Fleming stories, including what they’re laying out for B25...but I’ve been having my own introspection on the matter. On the flip side, why have they taken Craig’s 007 best known as “Bond Begins” and made him an already burnt out 007 in the majority of his movies, in some of them seeming to have one foot in the grave?
"...the purposeful slant of his striding figure looked dangerous, as if he was making quickly for something bad that was happening further down the street." -SMERSH on 007 dossier photo, Ch. 6 FRWL.....
the precedent of Bond settled down to a married life, formally or not, is not Tracy, but Tiffany. Tiffany lived with Bond for a year, Tracy didn't even make it to the honeymoon.
Fleming tells us in From Russia with Love how Bond managed a year of cohabitation (not well) and Pearson expands it to nearly a full chapter in his Biography.
we already discussed the Tiffany comparison when SPECTRE came out. In Diamonds Are Forever, when Tiffany discusses marriage, Bond responds he is already married … to a man called M. It is an either/or choice for him. And though there was no such dialog in SPECTRE, that scene on the bridge was some mighty heavyhanded symbolism CraigBond was facing the same choice.
personally I would like the Tiffany precedent be followed, with Madeleine either already departed at the start of our new film, and some dialog to tell us the attempt at cohabitation did not go well. Or maybe we watch her walk out that door a few scenes in. Then she can reenter Bonds life later on, midway through the film, in a shocking new context. She is after all a big baddy's daughter, she may have some badgirl potential.
and for those sensible folk (like myself) who want a Dr Shatterhand's Garden of Death scenario...
maybe the missing scientist Leiter wants Bond to find turns out to be an evil looney botanist who Bond has actually met before?
Leiter could be playing the Tanaka role, asking Bond this favour then showing him the photograph.
I got no problem with the outrageous fantasy implications of the Garden of Death plot. It should make for damn fine visuals, very cinematic.
in fact, I was just thinking, it actually makes sense as a natural career progression in Fleming's book.
When last seen, Blofeld was conducting biological warfare in a relatively practical manner, creating deadly bacteria in his lab and giving it to those young ladies to take back to their agricultural communities and poison the world.
A year later, he's clearly gone insane, thus much less practical in his schemes. But he has been established as a biologist of some talent, he knows his plants and his bacteria, so the Garden of Death makes perfect sense as the next step as he loses his grip on reality.
Not that WaltzBlofeld has any demonstrated experience as a biologist. But I still wanna see that zany garden.
A garden is just a bit static though. If Bond has to get away from a really dangerous tulip or two, all he has to do is walk away a bit. It’s not quite a shark-filled pool!
My gut feeling is that Bond starts out happy with Madeleine in Jamaica. Felix shows up, Bond goes out of loyalty and the mission starts. At some point Madeleine is kidnapped by the baddies as leverage.
My gut feeling is that Bond starts out happy with Madeleine in Jamaica. Felix shows up, Bond goes out of loyalty and the mission starts. At some point Madeleine is kidnapped by the baddies as leverage.
I concur mostly... I think the PTS will be the Norway scene, but its Madaline's dream of what happened when she was young (and recounted to JB on Morocco train in SP) and JB will turn up to save her and will die or appear to die a la SkyFall PTS, Madeleine will wake up with a start, tell JB her nightmare and how 'she nearly lost him' he will comfort her and say those immortal words "we have all the time in the world"
Then after opening credits, life goes one, Felix arrives and JB declines, but I wouldn't be surprised if Madeleine dies rather than kidnapped, and that's his catalyst for getting involved. So where it might be a 'good old fashioned mission' on one hand, its still 'personal' and motivated by revenge for JB.
I did see another short interview with DC somewhere in the Jamaica coverage on Thursday, and DC said something along the lines of thinking its still important to explore the psyche of Bond.
My thinking re: Madeleines death is also to allow JB to have further love interests later in the film, maybe Anna de Armes in Italy?
and for those sensible folk (like myself) who want a Dr Shatterhand's Garden of Death scenario...
maybe the missing scientist Leiter wants Bond to find turns out to be an evil looney botanist who Bond has actually met before?
Leiter could be playing the Tanaka role, asking Bond this favour then showing him the photograph.
I got no problem with the outrageous fantasy implications of the Garden of Death plot. It should make for damn fine visuals, very cinematic.
in fact, I was just thinking, it actually makes sense as a natural career progression in Fleming's book.
When last seen, Blofeld was conducting biological warfare in a relatively practical manner, creating deadly bacteria in his lab and giving it to those young ladies to take back to their agricultural communities and poison the world.
A year later, he's clearly gone insane, thus much less practical in his schemes. But he has been established as a biologist of some talent, he knows his plants and his bacteria, so the Garden of Death makes perfect sense as the next step as he loses his grip on reality.
Not that WaltzBlofeld has any demonstrated experience as a biologist. But I still wanna see that zany garden.
Good idea. But blofeld is still in prison. The biologist is someone else and he's been kidnapped by SPECTRE.
I've just caught up with some of the interviews at the reveal event. As usual Naomie Harris comes across as the one who is really genuinely pleased and happy to be involved. It's a shame they don't all show as much enthusiasm as she does. She really does seem to get the whole Bond thing.
I've just caught up with some of the interviews at the reveal event. As usual Naomie Harris comes across as the one who is really genuinely pleased and happy to be involved. It's a shame they don't all show as much enthusiasm as she does. She really does seem to get the whole Bond thing.
It does seem like Babs and Michaels enthusiasm towards Bond has been waning post Skyfall.
I've just caught up with some of the interviews at the reveal event. As usual Naomie Harris comes across as the one who is really genuinely pleased and happy to be involved. It's a shame they don't all show as much enthusiasm as she does. She really does seem to get the whole Bond thing.
It does seem like Babs and Michaels enthusiasm towards Bond has been waning post Skyfall.
They've allowed other franchises (namely Marvel) to captivate the movie-going audiences with Marvel's well-written, directed, and acted films. Bond has become an after-thought for most in terms of cultural significance (can't argue with box-office numbers). They've seemingly thrown everything but the kitchen sink in for this one. Not optimsitic for anything other than a movie that is a little better than Spectre.
Garden of death was cool in the 1950s when Japan was quite a mysterious place but we moved on a lot in the last 70 years.
As much as Fleming afficionados still feel keen on it, the contemporary moviegoer may wonder, if that title could mean the murderer in a Home Depot )
Yeah, perhaps that title is a bit too abstract. I think the title should reflect current times, such as
Garden of death was cool in the 1950s when Japan was quite a mysterious place but we moved on a lot in the last 70 years.
As much as Fleming afficionados still feel keen on it, the contemporary moviegoer may wonder, if that title could mean the murderer in a Home Depot )
Yeah, perhaps that title is a bit too abstract. I think the title should reflect current times, such as
FACEBOOK OF DEATH
SMARTPHONES ARE FOREVER
NOTHING IS TRUE BUT FAKE NEWS
The word Garden can be a loose term anyway IMO, it doesn't have to mean a backyard, it could be more akin to a forest or something.
It's not like I'm suggesting the following titles:
The Allotments Of Death
The Greenhouse Of Death
The Astro Turf Of Death
The Shed Of Death
The Lawnmower Of Death
I've just caught up with some of the interviews at the reveal event. As usual Naomie Harris comes across as the one who is really genuinely pleased and happy to be involved. It's a shame they don't all show as much enthusiasm as she does. She really does seem to get the whole Bond thing.
It does seem like Babs and Michaels enthusiasm towards Bond has been waning post Skyfall.
They've allowed other franchises (namely Marvel) to captivate the movie-going audiences with Marvel's well-written, directed, and acted films. Bond has become an after-thought for most in terms of cultural significance (can't argue with box-office numbers).
Skyfall and Spectre are are about number 23 and 57 respectively on the highest box office grosses ever. When you say afterthought, when there are only 22 films that have better it’s not exactly bad.
Craigs Bond films are definitely successful mainstream product and Bond25 will put bums in the seats even if its just two hours of Bond going to dinner parties with his wife.
but I gotta wonder about these kinds of measures for recent films, which mostly do dominate the highest-gross-ever lists.
a lot of that has to be the outrageous ticket prices, I think it's at least $13- just to get into a Cineplex in Canada, there's no matinees or cheap Tuesdays any more, and most of these films people pay extra to see them in 3d or have their seats vibrate. That high per-ticket cost must add up quickly even if the film only stays in the theatre a month.
How can all these recent films really be selling more tickets today than films in the 1970s when fans ritualistically lined up round the block for half the day and films stayed in the theatre for six months or longer?
I agree that the disparity in ticket prices makes the box office metric a bit dubious. A more interesting metric is to look at trailer views on you tube. The teaser trailers for Spectre, The Force Awakens, and Avengers Age of Ultron were all released within a year of each other. Spectre currently has about 9 million YouTube views, Force Awakens has 24 million, and Ultron has 85 million (!). Even the teaser for the original Ant Man film - a middling Marvel release in 2015 - has 10 million views. That said, the Mission Impossoble Rogue Nation teaser from 2015 only has about 1 million views.
What those numbers say to me is that Bond dominates its lane, but can’t really run with the big dogs across other genres. Which perhaps doesn’t matter much. But some here do tend to overstate Bond’s overall appeal to the movie going public. Casino Royale and Skyfall were both huge critical and commercial successes, but they were also made several years ago at this point. I’m very curious to see if Craig still has the same pull as Bond.
That‘s definitely a good point. I still got the tickets to all my Bond films, CR cost me 5,50€ for the first preview showing with the best seats back in 2006 whereas the equivalent with SP was alteady 13€...
I agree that the disparity in ticket prices makes the box office metric a bit dubious. A more interesting metric is to look at trailer views on you tube. The teaser trailers for Spectre, The Force Awakens, and Avengers Age of Ultron were all released within a year of each other. Spectre currently has about 9 million YouTube views, Force Awakens has 24 million, and Ultron has 85 million (!). Even the teaser for the original Ant Man film - a middling Marvel release in 2015 - has 10 million views. That said, the Mission Impossoble Rogue Nation teaser from 2015 only has about 1 million views.
What those numbers say to me is that Bond dominates its lane, but can’t really run with the big dogs across other genres. Which perhaps doesn’t matter much. But some here do tend to overstate Bond’s overall appeal to the movie going public. Casino Royale and Skyfall were both huge critical and commercial successes, but they were also made several years ago at this point. I’m very curious to see if Craig still has the same pull as Bond.
Well Bond has never really failed: Licence To Kill is provably it’s loweest point, and we all know that was a mixture of bad timing, poor promotion and a Bond who perhaps never really connected with the audience.
But apart from that it’s hits all the way, so I don’t think there’s any reason to think it’ll suddenly fail now. I don’t think anyone is overstating Bond’s appeal: these are big and very popular films- they’re not just for a few fans on the Internet! They made a billion dollars; quite how we’re turning that into ‘I think you’re overstating how popular these are’ I have no idea. There have only been 22 more popular films!
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So Bond will be out searching for this kidnapped scientist. The scientist will be hidden in a crowd of people, wearing a striped shirt, but Bond will have a difficult time finding him. Bond will be interrogating people with the line ‘Where’s Waldo?’
Maybe CraigBond has already got himself hitched, but can never be happy leading a normal life and is secretly desperately hoping for one last mission instead of going to boring old dinner parties or whatever normal married folk do?
(speaking of being dragged to boring old dinner parties, maybe they can finally do Quantum of Solace right this time as the set up for the first act)
Fleming tells us in From Russia with Love how Bond managed a year of cohabitation (not well) and Pearson expands it to nearly a full chapter in his Biography.
we already discussed the Tiffany comparison when SPECTRE came out. In Diamonds Are Forever, when Tiffany discusses marriage, Bond responds he is already married … to a man called M. It is an either/or choice for him. And though there was no such dialog in SPECTRE, that scene on the bridge was some mighty heavyhanded symbolism CraigBond was facing the same choice.
personally I would like the Tiffany precedent be followed, with Madeleine either already departed at the start of our new film, and some dialog to tell us the attempt at cohabitation did not go well. Or maybe we watch her walk out that door a few scenes in. Then she can reenter Bonds life later on, midway through the film, in a shocking new context. She is after all a big baddy's daughter, she may have some badgirl potential.
maybe the missing scientist Leiter wants Bond to find turns out to be an evil looney botanist who Bond has actually met before?
Leiter could be playing the Tanaka role, asking Bond this favour then showing him the photograph.
I got no problem with the outrageous fantasy implications of the Garden of Death plot. It should make for damn fine visuals, very cinematic.
in fact, I was just thinking, it actually makes sense as a natural career progression in Fleming's book.
When last seen, Blofeld was conducting biological warfare in a relatively practical manner, creating deadly bacteria in his lab and giving it to those young ladies to take back to their agricultural communities and poison the world.
A year later, he's clearly gone insane, thus much less practical in his schemes. But he has been established as a biologist of some talent, he knows his plants and his bacteria, so the Garden of Death makes perfect sense as the next step as he loses his grip on reality.
Not that WaltzBlofeld has any demonstrated experience as a biologist. But I still wanna see that zany garden.
I concur mostly... I think the PTS will be the Norway scene, but its Madaline's dream of what happened when she was young (and recounted to JB on Morocco train in SP) and JB will turn up to save her and will die or appear to die a la SkyFall PTS, Madeleine will wake up with a start, tell JB her nightmare and how 'she nearly lost him' he will comfort her and say those immortal words "we have all the time in the world"
Then after opening credits, life goes one, Felix arrives and JB declines, but I wouldn't be surprised if Madeleine dies rather than kidnapped, and that's his catalyst for getting involved. So where it might be a 'good old fashioned mission' on one hand, its still 'personal' and motivated by revenge for JB.
I did see another short interview with DC somewhere in the Jamaica coverage on Thursday, and DC said something along the lines of thinking its still important to explore the psyche of Bond.
My thinking re: Madeleines death is also to allow JB to have further love interests later in the film, maybe Anna de Armes in Italy?
Good idea. But blofeld is still in prison. The biologist is someone else and he's been kidnapped by SPECTRE.
They've allowed other franchises (namely Marvel) to captivate the movie-going audiences with Marvel's well-written, directed, and acted films. Bond has become an after-thought for most in terms of cultural significance (can't argue with box-office numbers). They've seemingly thrown everything but the kitchen sink in for this one. Not optimsitic for anything other than a movie that is a little better than Spectre.
Yeah, perhaps that title is a bit too abstract. I think the title should reflect current times, such as
FACEBOOK OF DEATH
SMARTPHONES ARE FOREVER
NOTHING IS TRUE BUT FAKE NEWS
The word Garden can be a loose term anyway IMO, it doesn't have to mean a backyard, it could be more akin to a forest or something.
It's not like I'm suggesting the following titles:
The Allotments Of Death
The Greenhouse Of Death
The Astro Turf Of Death
The Shed Of Death
The Lawnmower Of Death
1 - Moore, 2 - Dalton, 3 - Craig, 4 - Connery, 5 - Brosnan, 6 - Lazenby
Skyfall and Spectre are are about number 23 and 57 respectively on the highest box office grosses ever. When you say afterthought, when there are only 22 films that have better it’s not exactly bad.
but I gotta wonder about these kinds of measures for recent films, which mostly do dominate the highest-gross-ever lists.
a lot of that has to be the outrageous ticket prices, I think it's at least $13- just to get into a Cineplex in Canada, there's no matinees or cheap Tuesdays any more, and most of these films people pay extra to see them in 3d or have their seats vibrate. That high per-ticket cost must add up quickly even if the film only stays in the theatre a month.
How can all these recent films really be selling more tickets today than films in the 1970s when fans ritualistically lined up round the block for half the day and films stayed in the theatre for six months or longer?
What those numbers say to me is that Bond dominates its lane, but can’t really run with the big dogs across other genres. Which perhaps doesn’t matter much. But some here do tend to overstate Bond’s overall appeal to the movie going public. Casino Royale and Skyfall were both huge critical and commercial successes, but they were also made several years ago at this point. I’m very curious to see if Craig still has the same pull as Bond.
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Well Bond has never really failed: Licence To Kill is provably it’s loweest point, and we all know that was a mixture of bad timing, poor promotion and a Bond who perhaps never really connected with the audience.
But apart from that it’s hits all the way, so I don’t think there’s any reason to think it’ll suddenly fail now. I don’t think anyone is overstating Bond’s appeal: these are big and very popular films- they’re not just for a few fans on the Internet! They made a billion dollars; quite how we’re turning that into ‘I think you’re overstating how popular these are’ I have no idea. There have only been 22 more popular films!
Perhaps EON could combine this with another Fleming title, Property of a Lady, and change it to The Lady Garden of Death?
Crikey that must be awkward during love scenes
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