Has anyone considered that we're all being played with ... let me explain.
They have announced Craig returning as Bond. We also know that a new actor will be playing Bond soon. What if this is the movie where Craig's Bond is in the opening 10mins only to give advice to the new actor (e.g. Elba) who then becomes a 00 and legally changes his identity to James Bond. Thus Craig is back as Bond ... sort of. But it's really the big reveal that Elba is the new "Bond" that we know.
Everything about this Tenure of Bond has been about realism, his ancestry, his weaknesses, his backstory. It would seem to out of place for the producers to just replace the actors face and continue with the continuity.
Oh please....no, no, no, no....not the code name and Elba all at once. X-( )
CRB's idea is probably the worst Bond25 suggestion yet ….
I don't think its a bad idea at all, but everyone's entitled to their opinion. I'd go as far as to kill the Craig Bond off at the end, thus passing the baton over "You're the James Bond now" etc. Maybe not as cheesy as that, but that general idea. At least Craig would be happy he wouldn't be convinced to play Bond yet again (something he clearly isn't particularly over the moon about). Not saying it has to be Elba, just using him as an example. I think it's a good idea that goes slightly outside the normal Bond box and provides nice continuity. Would you rather they just start a new storyline with a new fresh face and throw all the carefully developed continuity of the last 10 years away ? Basically reset it every few years like Spiderman and Batman? I wouldn't, but this is a money-making blockbuster so they could very well just do that. Very lazy writing if you ask me.
I don't think its a bad idea at all, but everyone's entitled to their opinion. I'd go as far as to kill the Craig Bond off at the end, thus passing the baton over "You're the James Bond now" etc. Maybe not as cheesy as that, but that general idea. At least Craig would be happy he wouldn't be convinced to play Bond yet again (something he clearly isn't particularly over the moon about). Not saying it has to be Elba, just using him as an example. I think it's a good idea that goes slightly outside the normal Bond box and provides nice continuity. Would you rather they just start a new storyline with a new fresh face and throw all the carefully developed continuity of the last 10 years away ? Basically reset it every few years like Spiderman and Batman? I wouldn't, but this is a money-making blockbuster so they could very well just do that. Very lazy writing if you ask me.
"carefully developed continuity"? Where was that then? Yes in CR and Qos, dropped for SF then lazily fudged together for Spectre just to try tie it all together! I'd be much happier with Bond returning to stand alone missions, all this personal angst and unresolved child hood issues has been done now.
We'll find out soon enough I guess, although that is looking like a bit of slippage.
Strong chance I'll be able to see the script before it gets filmed as well - as long as they get their act together and do it soon. No doubt involved a NDA though.
Has anyone considered that we're all being played with ... let me explain.
They have announced Craig returning as Bond. We also know that a new actor will be playing Bond soon. What if this is the movie where Craig's Bond is in the opening 10mins only to give advice to the new actor (e.g. Elba) who then becomes a 00 and legally changes his identity to James Bond. Thus Craig is back as Bond ... sort of. But it's really the big reveal that Elba is the new "Bond" that we know.
Everything about this Tenure of Bond has been about realism, his ancestry, his weaknesses, his backstory. It would seem to out of place for the producers to just replace the actors face and continue with the continuity.
Oh please....no, no, no, no....not the code name and Elba all at once. X-( )
CRB's idea is probably the worst Bond25 suggestion yet ….
Indeed!... Bond will return, and it will go on. Sometimes it will be great and sometimes it will be... well, less so. However, Bond will go on, despite the feeling 'some' would like to see it destroyed [the world really is a funny place right now]
For me, I'd like to see something between CR/QoS and SF/SP for DC's last outing... Maybe a tough balance, but something more stripped-back (like CR) as the overall tone [QoS too, in that regard]... quite tough and visceral, but with a few nods to current culture that SF did well, with a bit more humor, without getting into the (silly) fantasy-land stuff, like SP started to get back in to.
As some one who has not yet seen all the James Bond films I am not in urgent need to see this new film if it ever comes to the cinema. I think it is good that I can take my time?! Perhaps when I retire I may be just in time to see it with an old Daniel Craig!
I think glaciers move faster than Barbara Broccoli and her team!
It's Baz Bamigboye, so we can trust it, and the big news is, Purvis & Wade are back (Remember they wrote Casino Royale before you P&W haters start sounding off) and it seems the previous P&W 'script' was actually a treatment, which means they wrote x numbers of pages describing what happens.
Treatments are like a novel and can be as short as less than 10 pages or they can be dozens of pages long and have scene dialogue included.
Is Baz hinting that S. J. Clarkson could be the director by saying there is interest in more women being front and center in Bond25?
I can't see much point in P&W writing a script if there wasn't a director lined up to have their input.
Then again the P&W decision may just be public relations management and there maybe no director, or they may simply want to start script writing so in the weeks ahead they have something to show to a prospective director.
I am just amazed that P&W only produced a treatment when they were said to be hired in March 2017 and the Boyle/Hodge stuff only emerged in February of this year. Potentially 10 months of P&W script work and only a treatement?
It's Baz Bamigboye, so we can trust it, and the big news is, Purvis & Wade are back (Remember they wrote Casino Royale before you P&W haters start sounding off) and it seems the previous P&W 'script' was actually a treatment, which means they wrote x numbers of pages describing what happens.
Treatments are like a novel and can be as short as less than 10 pages or they can be dozens of pages long and have scene dialogue included.
Is Baz hinting that S. J. Clarkson could be the director by saying there is interest in more women being front and center in Bond25?
I can't see much point in P&W writing a script if there wasn't a director lined up to have their input.
Then again the P&W decision may just be public relations management and there maybe no director, or they may simply want to start script writing so in the weeks ahead they have something to show to a prospective director.
I am just amazed that P&W only produced a treatment when they were said to be hired in March 2017 and the Boyle/Hodge stuff only emerged in February of this year. Potentially 10 months of P&W script work and only a treatement?
I have no doubt that Purvis and Wade are back. It makes sense. EON is comfortable with them and they know Bond including a great familiarity with Fleming material.
There are a couple things that I do question:
Were Purvis and Wade brought back to develop their own previously submitted script or treatment or to add action and punch up Hodge's script?
If it is true that pre-production has continued on Bond 25, I would think that Hodge's script is still in play with P&W doing some level of a re-write/polish. There have been reports that Hodge's script was based on the P&W script but I think that is incorrect.
I wonder if the additional writers that EON allegedly wanted to bring on board that Boyle so objected to were P&W?
As they say, the plot thickens.
Well... I assume Hodge took the P&W treatment/script and did his own Danny Boyle thing to it, at which point Eon wanted to bring P&W in to fix THAT up, but Boyle refused. It looks like Eon went ahead and did that, probably weeks ago when Boyle was fired.
Or something like that B-)
It’s way too late in the game to do anything but punch up the script that’s already there.
I guess it's only …. well, guesswork if the P&W treatment and the Hodge script are completely seperate entities or they are inspired by each other in some way. My take on it is that the P&W treatment is a continuation of the SPECTRE/Blofeld story in some form, possibly involving The Garden of Death and/or the death Madeline. The Hodge script is a different story with a Russian or Arab villan and Bond girl. Regardeless, they need to get a director ASAP. At least we know there are writers working on the movie, because Baz Bamigboye is the best non-official source there is.
He told talkRADIO's TalkFILM podcast: "I am in discussions about it. There's nothing more concrete. It's very flattering to be put in the mix for something like that, and of course we've all grown up watching Bond with out dads and stuff like that. Well, a lot of us have.
"I probably have got bitten by the bug of action film making and all of the magic that comes with it."
However, Bart has conceded that it'll be hard for him to replicate his favourite Bond movie, 'The Spy Who Loved Me'.
He shared: "I mean, obviously my Bond was Roger Moore and when you're a kid that's your Bond. You don't really think about whether he's the best Bond. He's your guy.
"Was it 'The Spy Who Loved Me' with the car that went underwater? For me, it didn't get better than that. But of course as you grow up, you realise maybe there were better ones."
I guess it's only …. well, guesswork if the P&W treatment and the Hodge script are completely seperate entities or they are inspired by each other in some way. My take on it is that the P&W treatment is a continuation of the SPECTRE/Blofeld story in some form, possibly involving The Garden of Death and/or the death Madeline. The Hodge script is a different story with a Russian or Arab villan and Bond girl. Regardeless, they need to get a director ASAP. At least we know there are writers working on the movie, because Baz Bamigboye is the best non-official source there is.
I agree broadly with Number24, but I am not so sure about the Garden of death story line.
Nothing would surprise me but Layton is a documentarian who has directed only one feature film. I am sure EON is doing their "due diligence" and has a list of candidates that probably has a pecking order and my guess is that Layton is not at the top.
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I'm very curious about who will get the directing gig...and from a purely selfish standpoint, I hope the decision is made sooner rather than later
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I guess it's only …. well, guesswork if the P&W treatment and the Hodge script are completely seperate entities or they are inspired by each other in some way. My take on it is that the P&W treatment is a continuation of the SPECTRE/Blofeld story in some form, possibly involving The Garden of Death and/or the death Madeline. The Hodge script is a different story with a Russian or Arab villan and Bond girl. Regardeless, they need to get a director ASAP. At least we know there are writers working on the movie, because Baz Bamigboye is the best non-official source there is.
I agree broadly with Number24, but I am not so sure about the Garden of death story line.
I'm not sure about any of this, but I have a feeling. ....
Has anyone here seen "American Animals"? A review or at least some comments are welcome.
American Animals is Bart Layton's only feature film asa director, the rest are all documentaries. I understand even tnhat movie is documentary in style, so that's interesting. It's also intersting that his favourite Bond movie is TSWLM, a movie that's about as far you can get from a documentary.
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Or perhaps that should be - Idris Elba's ego is too big to want to share his Bond with another actor!
CRB's idea is probably the worst Bond25 suggestion yet ….
If Lea Seydoux returns it would almost certainly mean the SPECTRE storyline continues With Blofeld.
Thomas Vinterberg is a good director, but I want the Bond Directors to be from the British comonwealth …. unless he's Norwegian :v
But, like you point out, everyone is entitled to their own mista.... opinions
"carefully developed continuity"? Where was that then? Yes in CR and Qos, dropped for SF then lazily fudged together for Spectre just to try tie it all together! I'd be much happier with Bond returning to stand alone missions, all this personal angst and unresolved child hood issues has been done now.
Strong chance I'll be able to see the script before it gets filmed as well - as long as they get their act together and do it soon. No doubt involved a NDA though.
Serena agrees too!
The author lost me when they referenced "the larger than life romp of Skyfall". I don't think I would use "romp" to describe Skyfall.
Indeed!... Bond will return, and it will go on. Sometimes it will be great and sometimes it will be... well, less so. However, Bond will go on, despite the feeling 'some' would like to see it destroyed [the world really is a funny place right now]
For me, I'd like to see something between CR/QoS and SF/SP for DC's last outing... Maybe a tough balance, but something more stripped-back (like CR) as the overall tone [QoS too, in that regard]... quite tough and visceral, but with a few nods to current culture that SF did well, with a bit more humor, without getting into the (silly) fantasy-land stuff, like SP started to get back in to.
Yeah, something like that
I think glaciers move faster than Barbara Broccoli and her team!
https://www.ft.com/content/0670ae1a-b78d-11e8-b3ef-799c8613f4a1
Treatments are like a novel and can be as short as less than 10 pages or they can be dozens of pages long and have scene dialogue included.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-6166379/Spymaster-writing-duo-rescue-new-Bond-film-director-Danny-Boyle-walked-out.html
Is Baz hinting that S. J. Clarkson could be the director by saying there is interest in more women being front and center in Bond25?
I can't see much point in P&W writing a script if there wasn't a director lined up to have their input.
Then again the P&W decision may just be public relations management and there maybe no director, or they may simply want to start script writing so in the weeks ahead they have something to show to a prospective director.
I am just amazed that P&W only produced a treatment when they were said to be hired in March 2017 and the Boyle/Hodge stuff only emerged in February of this year. Potentially 10 months of P&W script work and only a treatement?
I have no doubt that Purvis and Wade are back. It makes sense. EON is comfortable with them and they know Bond including a great familiarity with Fleming material.
There are a couple things that I do question:
Were Purvis and Wade brought back to develop their own previously submitted script or treatment or to add action and punch up Hodge's script?
If it is true that pre-production has continued on Bond 25, I would think that Hodge's script is still in play with P&W doing some level of a re-write/polish. There have been reports that Hodge's script was based on the P&W script but I think that is incorrect.
I wonder if the additional writers that EON allegedly wanted to bring on board that Boyle so objected to were P&W?
As they say, the plot thickens.
Or something like that B-)
It’s way too late in the game to do anything but punch up the script that’s already there.
https://www.list.co.uk/article/103917-bart-layton-is-in-discussions-about-replacing-danny-boyle-as-bond-25-director/
He told talkRADIO's TalkFILM podcast: "I am in discussions about it. There's nothing more concrete. It's very flattering to be put in the mix for something like that, and of course we've all grown up watching Bond with out dads and stuff like that. Well, a lot of us have.
"I probably have got bitten by the bug of action film making and all of the magic that comes with it."
However, Bart has conceded that it'll be hard for him to replicate his favourite Bond movie, 'The Spy Who Loved Me'.
He shared: "I mean, obviously my Bond was Roger Moore and when you're a kid that's your Bond. You don't really think about whether he's the best Bond. He's your guy.
"Was it 'The Spy Who Loved Me' with the car that went underwater? For me, it didn't get better than that. But of course as you grow up, you realise maybe there were better ones."
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I agree broadly with Number24, but I am not so sure about the Garden of death story line.
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
I'm not sure about any of this, but I have a feeling. ....
Has anyone here seen "American Animals"? A review or at least some comments are welcome.
American Animals is Bart Layton's only feature film asa director, the rest are all documentaries. I understand even tnhat movie is documentary in style, so that's interesting. It's also intersting that his favourite Bond movie is TSWLM, a movie that's about as far you can get from a documentary.