Craig is back: Discuss Bond 25 here

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  • HowardBHowardB USAPosts: 2,744MI6 Agent
    There used to be a time when you didn’t know who the DP or composer were until you saw a poster at the cinema. I don’t need to be kept updated on anything. Just concentrate on giving me a good movie.

    That's true. I have no doubt they will get a great DP, Bond films always seem to attract them. I think after two meh scores, it would be nice to know Arnold is back or someone else more up to the task.
  • SomeoneSomeone Posts: 1,545MI6 Agent
    I'd be very surprised if they can keep a lid on the casting. Actors like to link themselves to Bond for the publicity value, cast or not. We know about Boyle's choice for a villain, we know about the Finish casting efforts and the Russian villain casting call details. We also know Roy Kinnear doesn't know what is going on. If they are going to start filming on 4 March they are going to have to cast people soon to make sure they are available. Batista and Seydoux's casting leaked months before the official announcement.
  • Gala BrandGala Brand Posts: 1,172MI6 Agent
    There'll be a steady stream of Bond 25 news beginning in early-mid January. Ya'll just need to wait about another eight weeks.
  • HowardBHowardB USAPosts: 2,744MI6 Agent
    Gala Brand wrote:
    There'll be a steady stream of Bond 25 news beginning in early-mid January. Ya'll just need to wait about another eight weeks.

    That sounds about right. My guess is that much more is in place than EON is letting on. Certainly the change in director and reverting more to P&W's original treatment could effect casting.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    It's not long, ..... doesn't time fly ! ;)
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  • DutchJamesBondFanDutchJamesBondFan the NetherlandsPosts: 414MI6 Agent
    It's not long, ..... doesn't time fly ! ;)

    Well maybe Bonds watch does, but my clock doesn't ;)
    2020 is a bloody long time, but I'm sure its for the better. I prefer a good Bond film over a fast one.
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  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 36,402Chief of Staff
    Someone wrote:
    We also know Roy Kinnear doesn't know what is going on.

    It would be very surprising if he did, since he's been dead for thirty years.
  • SomeoneSomeone Posts: 1,545MI6 Agent
    Barbel wrote:
    Someone wrote:
    We also know Roy Kinnear doesn't know what is going on.

    It would be very surprising if he did, since he's been dead for thirty years.

    Oops Rory Kinnear!
  • Red_SnowRed_Snow Posts: 296MI6 Agent
    Cary Fukunaga, first Asian-American to direct 007 film, talks about ‘Bond 25’
    https://entertainment.inquirer.net/305220/cary-fukunaga-first-asian-american-to-direct-007-film-talks-about-bond-25

    “In terms of what I can bring to change the character, Bond is on a character arc that started with ‘Casino Royale,’ and I will be carrying that on. There will be changes, I am sure. As in any story, a character has to change in order [to have] a narrative.”

    The 2014 Emmy best director-drama series for “True Detective” did not confirm nor deny the buzz that Christoph Waltz (Blofeld) and Ben Whishaw (Q) are not returning to the franchise’s latest installment.

    “Who is saying those rumors?” he asked aloud. “We haven’t finished the screenplay, so there is no way that anyone could know that. Those are two extraordinary actors, so if there is space for them in the story, I would absolutely want them there. But I don’t know yet what it’s going to be.”
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  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 21,816MI6 Agent
    First, it seems Fukunaga believes in the two timelines theory. DN-DAD is the first timeline and the second started with CR. That's one interpretation, Anyway.


    He might be lying about the script because he doesn't want to confirm or deny Blofeld's involvment. If he's honest the script has come very far ...
  • HowardBHowardB USAPosts: 2,744MI6 Agent
    Looks like Fukunaga is very involved in what will be the final script, which IMO, is a good thing. He also has a varied and interesting background, including having been a Pro Snow Boarder which means he's is a bit of an adrenaline junkie and familiar with snow sports which could bode well for the action sequences. It's all very encouraging but at the same time still tough to swallow having to wait until
    Feb 2020 to see the fruits of their labors. Things of course things will really start to get interesting once there is an official press conference and filming begins.
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 21,816MI6 Agent
    Speaking of snow: I looked at Jeffrey Wright's Instagram page and it looks like he likes skiing, particularely in Canada. It probably means absolutely nothing at all, but a ski scene in Canada involvign Bond and Felix Leitherwould be nice.
  • Arbogast 777Arbogast 777 Minneapolis Posts: 595MI6 Agent
    Re: Fukunaga’s comments on Waltz returning - that is definitely a dodge. I understand he is still writing the script but I’m sure he would know if BLOFELD was going to be apart of the story.
  • Miles MesservyMiles Messervy Posts: 1,760MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    First, it seems Fukunaga believes in the two timelines theory. DN-DAD is the first timeline and the second started with CR. That's one interpretation, Anyway.

    Why do you call this a “theory”? It is uncontroverted fact. There is no room for a different interpretation. Casino Royale was described by the people who made the film as a “reboot” of the franchise.
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 21,816MI6 Agent
    I agree this is the second timeline, but I suspect not everyone agrees.
    I'm almost 100% sure Fukunaga knows if Blofeld is in the movie, but sadly it's possible that's not nailed down in this crazy production.
    It's possible they have a story, but they're not sure if the villan is Blofeld or someone else. It's also possible they're considering a cameo from Blofeld, a bit like Judy Dench in SPECTRE.
  • Arbogast 777Arbogast 777 Minneapolis Posts: 595MI6 Agent
    Why do you call this a “theory”? It is uncontroverted fact. There is no room for a different interpretation.
    Number24 wrote:
    I agree this is the second timeline, but I suspect not everyone agrees.

    I’ve never agreed with it, and there is plenty of room for a different interpretations (Bond would have to be 72 in DAD), but this isn’t the thread so I’ll leave it at that...
  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,597MI6 Agent
    Why do you call this a “theory”? It is uncontroverted fact. There is no room for a different interpretation.
    Number24 wrote:
    I agree this is the second timeline, but I suspect not everyone agrees.

    I’ve never agreed with it, and there is plenty of room for a different interpretations (Bond would have to be 72 in DAD), but this isn’t the thread so I’ll leave it at that...

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  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 21,816MI6 Agent
    I don't expect the title to be made public in a long time, but I really curious if they've found one yet.
  • Asp9mmAsp9mm Over the Hills and Far Away.Posts: 7,485MI6 Agent
    Matt S wrote:
    Why do you call this a “theory”? It is uncontroverted fact. There is no room for a different interpretation.
    Number24 wrote:
    I agree this is the second timeline, but I suspect not everyone agrees.

    I’ve never agreed with it, and there is plenty of room for a different interpretations (Bond would have to be 72 in DAD), but this isn’t the thread so I’ll leave it at that...

    You can interpret things however you want, just like some people interpret the earth as being flat. :D

    Quite, it’s pretty obvious Craig’s films are and we’re meant from the start as a completely different entity from the Dr No to Die Another Day series. You can deny it a small much as you want, but it’s a blatant and stark fact.
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  • zaphod99zaphod99 Posts: 1,415MI6 Agent
    Re: Fukunaga’s comments on Waltz returning - that is definitely a dodge. I understand he is still writing the script but I’m sure he would know if BLOFELD was going to be apart of the story.

    Yes and pre production should be at the very least completely mapped out if not well advanced so so I think he's being evasive.
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  • Arbogast 777Arbogast 777 Minneapolis Posts: 595MI6 Agent
    Matt S wrote:
    You can interpret things however you want, just like some people interpret the earth as being flat. 
    Asp9mm wrote:
    Quite, it’s pretty obvious Craig’s films are and we’re meant from the start as a completely different entity from the Dr No to Die Another Day series.   You can deny it a small much as you want, but it’s a blatant and stark fact.

    I think you guys misread my post - I DO think Craig’s films are a different entity from the rest of the series. I just don’t think there was ever meant to be one uninterrupted timeline from DN to DAD...
  • SomeoneSomeone Posts: 1,545MI6 Agent
    Red_Snow wrote:
    “We haven’t finished the screenplay, so there is no way that anyone could know that. Those are two extraordinary actors, so if there is space for them in the story, I would absolutely want them there. But I don’t know yet what it’s going to be.”

    Nice to see that he is confirming my educated guess, that he is working on the script and it isn't finished yet.
  • SomeoneSomeone Posts: 1,545MI6 Agent
    Red_Snow wrote:
    Bond is on a character arc that started with ‘Casino Royale,’ and I will be carrying that on. There will be changes, I am sure. As in any story, a character has to change in order [to have] a narrative.”

    He might be referring to the book.

    But, I think it is more likely he is referring to DC's first film and the arc he is talking about is DC's Bond's arc that they retconned with Spectre where all the films are connected.
    Red_Snow wrote:
    ...Christoph Waltz (Blofeld) and Ben Whishaw (Q) are not returning to the franchise’s latest installment...Those are two extraordinary actors, so if there is space for them in the story, I would absolutely want them there. But I don’t know yet what it’s going to be."

    As Q normally pops up for two minutes at the beginning, not being able to have space for him is bizarre and the mere fact that he doesn't dismiss Waltz immediately, is, well maybe he is just being polite, but it suggests that Blofeld could be in B25.

    The journalists's question about Waltz and there being buzz, Waltz said it himself that he wouldn't be in B25 when he said the tradition is to have another actor; which is why people latched onto the Mark Strong theory.

    We know the script is based on a Purvis & Wade treatment. Asp9mm has said there were big plans for B25 and it could have been a two movie situation including B26.

    Q not being in the film would follow the end of Spectre with Bond having left MI6, so we get the arc Fukunaga talks about. And maybe Fukunaga likes Waltz as Blofeld and likes the continuation?
  • HowardBHowardB USAPosts: 2,744MI6 Agent
    It's all just a guessing game at this point. Could Blofeld be back? Nothing is out of the realm of possibility. It will all come down to whether it is well written and well executed. Unfortunately many things in SPECTRE were ham handed and smacked of a director, etc who had run out of fresh idea/good ideas and should have been allowed to stay with his initial thought of having said everything he had to say in SF. Fukunaga is fresh eyes and EON needs to get this done so hopefully we get something good in 2020.
  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,597MI6 Agent
    HowardB wrote:
    It's all just a guessing game at this point. Could Blofeld be back? Nothing is out of the realm of possibility. It will all come down to whether it is well written and well executed. Unfortunately many things in SPECTRE were ham handed and smacked of a director, etc who had run out of fresh idea/good ideas and should have been allowed to stay with his initial thought of having said everything he had to say in SF. Fukunaga is fresh eyes and EON needs to get this done so hopefully we get something good in 2020.

    Many of my favourite Bond films weren't made with fresh ideas, but they were still better than Spectre. Spectre is just full of bad ideas. They should've just remade an old Bond film and not tried to do something new. A good Bond film doesn't need a new idea, just a great execution.
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  • SomeoneSomeone Posts: 1,545MI6 Agent
    HowardB wrote:
    It's all just a guessing game at this point.

    And that's the fun bit.
  • walther p99walther p99 NJPosts: 3,416MI6 Agent
    HowardB wrote:
    Unfortunately many things in SPECTRE were ham handed and smacked of a director, etc who had run out of fresh idea/good ideas and should have been allowed to stay with his initial thought of having said everything he had to say in SF.
    I'm grateful Mendes was behind my favorite Bond film but I agree he should've just stuck to what he originally said. I guess EON threw enough money at him that he changed his tune even though the passion that was there during SF was gone.
  • Miles MesservyMiles Messervy Posts: 1,760MI6 Agent
    I’m fairly confident that Bond 25 will be better than Spectre, as the latter is my least favorite film in the series apart from DAD. That said, I’m not expecting a classic. I like the director, but Craig is well-past his prime, in a way that Roger and Pierce were not at a similar age, and I think that will end up holding the film back.
  • welshboy78welshboy78 Posts: 10,295MI6 Agent
    I find SPECTRE frustrating as it really had all the elements to make a super Bond film

    Locations were great but wasted and of course Blofeld was disappointing in person and the twist was of naff and exactly what the fans had heard and hoped was bullshite
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  • Arbogast 777Arbogast 777 Minneapolis Posts: 595MI6 Agent
    Spectre reminded me of when Bryan Singer did Superman Returns. It was a movie sunk by its obsession with movies past.
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