No Time to Die delayed until October 8th, 2021

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  • BlindManBaldwinBlindManBaldwin Posts: 104MI6 Agent
    sunny01 wrote:
    zaphod99 wrote:
    So in April when nothing is better will they just stream the bloody film? Or will we spend the next 2 years the way we have spent the last 2: waiting every six months for a premier that is perpetually delayed! X-( This is why the years spent waiting for Craig and then chasing flashy directors is so costly. When you fail to control the things you should, you get burned even worse by the things you don’t control.


    Just saw the Trailer in the Cinema (TENET) It was truly underwhelming. Grumpy Seydoux (again) Catatonic Waltz (again) 'Where's Bond ' (again) I swear he's even still wearing the same Chinos. Betrayal (again)...give me strength. I am really trying to look forward to a fitting final instalment for Craig but fear that this wont be it.

    So 2021 22 ...dont really care. Of course I'll see it and do my very best to like it but really unenthused. They have run out of ideas. Only upside is that Daniel looks great and there are some nice light touches of humour that suit his style.

    I agree with you. Probably many here on the forum don’t. The initial excitement and fervour from the first trailer has now disappeared. I don’t think that can be regenerated now as we have had too much exposure to the storyline and clips of the movie. I think it’s a bad decision. The second wave was expected its only common sense after we’ve been in lockdown But we need to try and get some normality back. The worlds largest manufacturer of vaccines, the Serum Institute of Indian-has said there will not be enough supplies for universal inoculation until 2024 at the earliest.

    We don't need universal inoculation, though. If there's vaccinations for health care workers and vulnerable populations, the threat drops significantly.

    The virus isn't going anywhere (only one virus has ever been eliminated). Vaccinating even just those populations would do a significant amount to return to normalcy.
  • Miles MesservyMiles Messervy Posts: 1,555MI6 Agent
    zaphod99 wrote:
    So in April when nothing is better will they just stream the bloody film? Or will we spend the next 2 years the way we have spent the last 2: waiting every six months for a premier that is perpetually delayed! X-( This is why the years spent waiting for Craig and then chasing flashy directors is so costly. When you fail to control the things you should, you get burned even worse by the things you don’t control.


    Just saw the Trailer in the Cinema (TENET) It was truly underwhelming. Grumpy Seydoux (again) Catatonic Waltz (again) 'Where's Bond ' (again) I swear he's even still wearing the same Chinos. Betrayal (again)...give me strength. I am really trying to look forward to a fitting final instalment for Craig but fear that this wont be it.

    So 2021 22 ...dont really care. Of course I'll see it and do my very best to like it but really unenthused. They have run out of ideas. Only upside is that Daniel looks great and there are some nice light touches of humour that suit his style.

    +1. The absolute worst part about another delay for me is that it delays a new Bond and a new direction for the franchise even further. Perhaps it will be a worse direction than the current one, but the Craig tenure has felt stale since 2015 and none of this is helping.
  • SpectreOfDefeatSpectreOfDefeat Posts: 333MI6 Agent
    "+1. The absolute worst part about another delay for me is that it delays a new Bond and a new direction for the franchise even further. Perhaps it will be a worse direction than the current one, but the Craig tenure has felt stale since 2015 and none of this is helping."

    I agree that I'm probably more interested to see the direction for B26 now than in NTTD- but it's important to keep in mind that the general public don't tend to think like this. Cinemagoers will be champing at the bit to see "the new James Bond film", regardless. The five and a half year gap could even help NTTD by increasing hype and affection among the public, similar to the very long break in between LTK and GoldenEye.
  • Mattia De VartiMattia De Varti ItalyPosts: 253MI6 Agent
    Talking about delays and preparing for the worst scenario. If by April the movie can't be shown in theaters due to the pandemic situation, do you think they'll keep delaying it or will take some measurements like a VOD/Blue-Ray dvd release?
  • HalfMonk HalfHitmanHalfMonk HalfHitman USAPosts: 1,947MI6 Agent
    Talking about delays and preparing for the worst scenario. If by April the movie can't be shown in theaters due to the pandemic situation, do you think they'll keep delaying it or will take some measurements like a VOD/Blue-Ray dvd release?
    There's every indication that they are under no financial pressure to just "get it out there." That only serves the core base who are tired of waiting. It's not a viable business plan. It's a $250 million dollar tentpole, not a Blumhouse horror movie made for $15. VOD is a loss, based on current examples.
  • AugustWalkerAugustWalker Posts: 766MI6 Agent
    I think they‘re that „stubborn“ and keep delaying it.
    They constantly paint themselves in a corner with these set release dates, though. Smartest (reputation-wise) move would be to record a video message with the producers explaining they‘re delaying it indefinitely.

    Painful obviously, but that way you don’t look like a doofus every 6 months and throw marketing money out the window.

    But that should have been done with the second delay, it doesn’t matter anymore now...


    On a side note: I‘m also genuinely veeeery interested in seeing where cinemas in general will be going in the forseeable future. NTTD was kinda the savior for this year’s season.
    The name is Walker by the way.

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  • HalfMonk HalfHitmanHalfMonk HalfHitman USAPosts: 1,947MI6 Agent
    that way you don’t look like a doofus every 6 months and throw marketing money out the window.

    The TV campaign hadn't started yet and they tapped the brakes before that money was spent.

    Eon changing the date "every six months" (so, twice) in the face of COVID makes them the most restrained of the crowd; I'm not gonna google it for you, but Tenet kept kicking the can two weeks down the road. THAT blew up in their faces. Eon recognizing the problem early and moving it six months was optimistic; Tenet flinching every two weeks and trying to force people back into cinemas was irresponsible. I'll take the former.
  • zaphod99zaphod99 Posts: 1,405MI6 Agent
    zaphod99 wrote:
    So in April when nothing is better will they just stream the bloody film? Or will we spend the next 2 years the way we have spent the last 2: waiting every six months for a premier that is perpetually delayed! X-( This is why the years spent waiting for Craig and then chasing flashy directors is so costly. When you fail to control the things you should, you get burned even worse by the things you don’t control.


    Just saw the Trailer in the Cinema (TENET) It was truly underwhelming. Grumpy Seydoux (again) Catatonic Waltz (again) 'Where's Bond ' (again) I swear he's even still wearing the same Chinos. Betrayal (again)...give me strength. I am really trying to look forward to a fitting final instalment for Craig but fear that this wont be it.

    So 2021 22 ...dont really care. Of course I'll see it and do my very best to like it but really unenthused. They have run out of ideas. Only upside is that Daniel looks great and there are some nice light touches of humour that suit his style.

    +1. The absolute worst part about another delay for me is that it delays a new Bond and a new direction for the franchise even further. Perhaps it will be a worse direction than the current one, but the Craig tenure has felt stale since 2015 and none of this is helping.

    I agree with you, which is why I was really hoping for a tip top final outing. I still am, I really hope that I'm wrong.
    Of that of which we cannot speak we must pass over in silence- Ludwig Wittgenstein.
  • AugustWalkerAugustWalker Posts: 766MI6 Agent
    that way you don’t look like a doofus every 6 months and throw marketing money out the window.

    The TV campaign hadn't started yet and they tapped the brakes before that money was spent.

    Eon changing the date "every six months" (so, twice) in the face of COVID makes them the most restrained of the crowd; I'm not gonna google it for you, but Tenet kept kicking the can two weeks down the road. THAT blew up in their faces. Eon recognizing the problem early and moving it six months was optimistic; Tenet flinching every two weeks and trying to force people back into cinemas was irresponsible. I'll take the former.

    But my main point still stands: how long they wanna keep doing that? Setting a release date, ramping up the marketing campaign to full swing, release new material and then call it all off ~1.5 months prior.

    I‘ve made the argument in late February and now it applies just as much: Who knows where the world will be in..., setting new release dates is purely Russian roulette.

    There will be (or might even is already) a point reached, when they got to commit to a date with all consequences or delay it indefinitely.

    I‘m not even only saying that for selfish reasons but I‘m genuinely curious as to how the cinema industry will survive this?
    TENET was the only big release after lockdown (there weren’t many before) & it tanked like you mentioned.
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    Check it out, you won’t be disappointed :)
  • BlindManBaldwinBlindManBaldwin Posts: 104MI6 Agent
    that way you don’t look like a doofus every 6 months and throw marketing money out the window.

    The TV campaign hadn't started yet and they tapped the brakes before that money was spent.

    Eon changing the date "every six months" (so, twice) in the face of COVID makes them the most restrained of the crowd; I'm not gonna google it for you, but Tenet kept kicking the can two weeks down the road. THAT blew up in their faces. Eon recognizing the problem early and moving it six months was optimistic; Tenet flinching every two weeks and trying to force people back into cinemas was irresponsible. I'll take the former.

    Especially considering every time Tenet made a shift, it got another round of bad press. Bond isn't getting bad press from this — and press is how most general audience people know a film is coming/is out.
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 17,563MI6 Agent
    If EON is forced to delay NTTD a couple of more timesit would be really bad, but I can't help chuckling a bit to myself imagineing hiw creative they would have to get in rebooting the promo machine yet another time :))
  • Asp9mmAsp9mm Over the Hills and Far Away.Posts: 6,713MI6 Agent
    that way you don’t look like a doofus every 6 months and throw marketing money out the window.

    The TV campaign hadn't started yet and they tapped the brakes before that money was spent.

    Eon changing the date "every six months" (so, twice) in the face of COVID makes them the most restrained of the crowd; I'm not gonna google it for you, but Tenet kept kicking the can two weeks down the road. THAT blew up in their faces. Eon recognizing the problem early and moving it six months was optimistic; Tenet flinching every two weeks and trying to force people back into cinemas was irresponsible. I'll take the former.

    But my main point still stands: how long they wanna keep doing that? Setting a release date, ramping up the marketing campaign to full swing, release new material and then call it all off ~1.5 months prior.

    I‘ve made the argument in late February and now it applies just as much: Who knows where the world will be in..., setting new release dates is purely Russian roulette.

    There will be (or might even is already) a point reached, when they got to commit to a date with all consequences or delay it indefinitely.

    I‘m not even only saying that for selfish reasons but I‘m genuinely curious as to how the cinema industry will survive this?
    TENET was the only big release after lockdown (there weren’t many before) & it tanked like you mentioned.

    The point is, no one cares. This Bond community doesn’t even make up 0.5% of the audience these films get. It’s only us few long term die hard fans that are getting disappointed, and even then, not that many of us considering. There are bigger worries at the moment, our daily lives and routines are gone, people’s jobs are gone or under threat. Who cares about a Bond film right now? Not a great many. I fully expect April to be cancelled too, but they have to book dates just in case it all works out. The backlog of films right now means that these dates will be fought over if not booked. So that’s why they keep on doing this. Cinema slot bookings are public knowledge.
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  • superadosuperado Regent's Park West (CaliforniaPosts: 2,554MI6 Agent
    Yay, it’s back to April again!
    "...the purposeful slant of his striding figure looked dangerous, as if he was making quickly for something bad that was happening further down the street." -SMERSH on 007 dossier photo, Ch. 6 FRWL.....
  • HowardBHowardB USAPosts: 2,548MI6 Agent
    I know many of us are feeling a bit raw with EON and holding enmity toward them because of their history of long delays between films is understandable and to a point well deserved (especially with NTTD). However, EON/MGM/etc are not doing anything different than the rest of the industry when it comes to these big tentpole films (Mulan and Tenet being the exceptions) relative to the pandemic. IMO, I think there are folks who are so anxious to see NTTD that they would just like to see them put it out VOD but I also think there are some folks around here who want to see it out one way or another because they just want the Craig era to come to an end, not because they want to see NTTD. To each his own, but I just find it an interesting dynamic.
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,355MI6 Agent
    The good news is, that this will keep Barbel very active in the imaginary conversations thread for very much longer :D
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  • C O L C O M B EC O L C O M B E Posts: 4MI6 Agent
    The Bond franchise, for me, is like the Prodigal Son. It can be away for an indefinite amount of time, but I will always welcome it if and when it comes back.
  • James SuzukiJames Suzuki New ZealandPosts: 2,383MI6 Agent
    The Bond franchise, for me, is like the Prodigal Son. It can be away for an indefinite amount of time, but I will always welcome it if and when it comes back.

    To extend your biblical metaphor, we are waiting for it to stop eating pig food and start making its way home!!!
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    -Casino Royale, Ian Fleming
  • SpectreOfDefeatSpectreOfDefeat Posts: 333MI6 Agent
    According to BBC News today, Cineworld in the UK are threatening to shut down and directly blaming the non-release of NTTD for damaging their profits.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54407213

    Oh dear...
  • sunny01sunny01 Posts: 449MI6 Agent
    I saw this too and it’s exactly why I am angry with the decision. Not because “it’s just a movie” (my dad laughed when I said I was annoyed as he said he could not think of anything less relevant) but because I knew the cinemas were relying on this. Fair enough maybe the burden of getting people back to cinemas should not be a burden resting solely on NTTD but it was quite obvious without some kind of injection the cinemas were going to go bust and close. I was fearful that by the time they want to release it there would not even be a cinema to show it. A brave decision would have been to keep the date and that would have snowballed and led to people going back to the cinema and future releases. There is no guarantee that things will be any better and in fact I see people itching to go out not stay indoors anymore. People have lockdown fatigue. BTW ironically China is back to pre pandemic levels in terms of its economy and doing big movie ticket sales with The Eight Hundred. Sorry rant over....partly.
  • BlindManBaldwinBlindManBaldwin Posts: 104MI6 Agent
    sunny01 wrote:
    I saw this too and it’s exactly why I am angry with the decision. Not because “it’s just a movie” (my dad laughed when I said I was annoyed as he said he could not think of anything less relevant) but because I knew the cinemas were relying on this. Fair enough maybe the burden of getting people back to cinemas should not be a burden resting solely on NTTD but it was quite obvious without some kind of injection the cinemas were going to go bust and close. I was fearful that by the time they want to release it there would not even be a cinema to show it. A brave decision would have been to keep the date and that would have snowballed and led to people going back to the cinema and future releases. There is no guarantee that things will be any better and in fact I see people itching to go out not stay indoors anymore. People have lockdown fatigue. BTW ironically China is back to pre pandemic levels in terms of its economy and doing big movie ticket sales with The Eight Hundred. Sorry rant over....partly.

    China can do that because they took this seriously and did not have people ignoring the virus/flaunting safety protocols.
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 17,563MI6 Agent
    sunny01 wrote:
    I saw this too and it’s exactly why I am angry with the decision. Not because “it’s just a movie” (my dad laughed when I said I was annoyed as he said he could not think of anything less relevant) but because I knew the cinemas were relying on this. Fair enough maybe the burden of getting people back to cinemas should not be a burden resting solely on NTTD but it was quite obvious without some kind of injection the cinemas were going to go bust and close. I was fearful that by the time they want to release it there would not even be a cinema to show it. A brave decision would have been to keep the date and that would have snowballed and led to people going back to the cinema and future releases. There is no guarantee that things will be any better and in fact I see people itching to go out not stay indoors anymore. People have lockdown fatigue. BTW ironically China is back to pre pandemic levels in terms of its economy and doing big movie ticket sales with The Eight Hundred. Sorry rant over....partly.

    China can do that because they took this seriously and did not have people ignoring the virus/flaunting safety protocols.

    Not entirely true. At first they tried to surpress the reports of the pandemic and not the pandemic itself. Some of the dctors who reported Covid-19 first were told to shut up or go to jail. Later the Chinese govermnemt understood how serious the situation was and pit in place restrictions, many of them would be much harder to implement in a demcracy with human rights.
  • HardyboyHardyboy Posts: 5,750Chief of Staff
    I'm starting to think that by the time the film is released a new 007 will have been cast and Bond 26 will be ready to come out. . .
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  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 17,563MI6 Agent
    I hope the next Bond actor is secretly cast and much of the script done by the time of NTTD's released.
  • welshboy78welshboy78 Posts: 9,851MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    I hope the next Bond actor is secretly cast and much of the script done by the time of NTTD's released.

    Wishful thinking :))
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  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 17,563MI6 Agent
    I know. Or at least it's highly unlikely. :#
  • Gala BrandGala Brand Posts: 1,147MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    I hope the next Bond actor is secretly cast and much of the script done by the time of NTTD's released.

    EON has never been that proactive. I've always wondered why they don't get started on the script of the next film, at least in outline form, while production/post production is going on. That way they'd have a finished script ready within a year for the next film.
  • Shady TreeShady Tree London, UKPosts: 2,237MI6 Agent
    edited October 2020
    I stand by my earlier position that the decision to postpone NTTD is both understandable and welcome, but at the same time my heart goes out to all those folk at Cineworld who are now going to be out of a job because the studios are holding back and the audiences aren't returning. It's sad what's happening to the industry, as to so many other sectors.

    As for Bond post-Craig... I'm not sure that anyone in entertainment has properly worked out what kind of new stories we'll *want* to be told during/ after Covid, even in popular/ escapist genres.
    Critics and material I don't need. I haven't changed my act in 50 years.
  • Royale-les-EauxRoyale-les-Eaux LondonPosts: 272MI6 Agent
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEAS1zYvxIk

    At this point it is an industry thing not a Bond thing.

    I assume come December everyone will be blaming Dune for the death of cinema.
  • Westward_DriftWestward_Drift Posts: 2,477MI6 Agent
    Shady Tree wrote:
    I stand by my earlier position that the decision to postpone NTTD is both understandable and welcome, but at the same time my heart goes out to all those folk at Cineworld who are now going to be out of a job because the studios are holding back and the audiences aren't returning. It's sad what's happening to the industry, as to so many other sectors.

    As for Bond post-Craig... I'm not sure that anyone in entertainment has properly worked out what kind of new stories we'll *want* to be told during/ after Covid, even in popular/ escapist genres.

    The parent company of Cineworld also owns Regal Cinema in the US. Regal may also temporarily close.
  • writingsonthewallwritingsonthewall SpainPosts: 295MI6 Agent
    Torn on this. Disappointing, to be sure, but I was seriously considering NOT going to the cinema and waiting for a re-release further down the line / home media release. The other side being, would appreciate the merchandising machine launching for the Christmas season, which I would have deeply gone into. Oh well, time to save up some more money for April...
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