I agree that bringing back Swann is a bad idea. Tracy was the ur-Swann--alluring but brittle, moody, and difficult. Not to mention daddy issues. Seydoux didn't quite pull it off, which isn't a knock on her. It just showed what a brilliant actress Diana Rigg was.
To be clear, there were a lot of problems with Spectre and Seydoux's was well down on the list, but it still doesn't deserve a reprise.
Rumours that the film's script was the source of the disagreement have been reported, with producers alleged to be unhappy with the decision to focus on contemporary political tensions with Russia and a "modern-day Cold War".
How authorative is that article? Besides, even if it's largely true, Hodges and Boyle's script could have drifted between a Russian villan and a North African villan for a long time.
I also wonder about Gala Brand using the word "ur-Swann". The preface "ur" is very common in Norwegian, but I've never seen it in English before. Is it common in English?
How authorative is that article? Besides, even if it's largely true, Hodges and Boyle's script could have drifted between a Russian villan and a North African villan for a long time.
I also wonder about Gala Brand using the word "ur-Swann". The preface "ur" is very common in Norwegian, but I've never seen it in English before. Is it common in English?
It's used in English to mean the original or earliest version of something. Does it mean the same in Norwegian?
How authorative is that article? Besides, even if it's largely true, Hodges and Boyle's script could have drifted between a Russian villan and a North African villan for a long time.
Some of these roles that are being cast may or may not be big parts except for the villain. Depending on the story, some roles can be pivotal but not involve much screen time. A trick used by screenwriters that goes back to Alfred Hitchcock's Psycho, is casting a part with a well known actor, having it appear to the audience that they will be a major character in the story and then killing them off early.
Said Taghmaaoui, with his boxing background, has the potential to have a great fight scene. At 5'8" 150 lbs they would really need to play up the angle of him being this killer fighter but it would work. Good actor too.....he has done equally well as both villains and good guys. As far as Russians are concerned, no reason to not believe that there could be room in a Bond film for both North African and Russian bad guys or Russians that Bond has a history with who help Bond (it's been done before).
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That’s stretching it a bit and cherry picking. They both have a few similarities, but you could say that about hundreds of films of any genre. Fallout and Skyfall aren’t really similar at all, they have more differences than similarities.
The ending is hugely different. Bond is on the run trying to protect his boss. Ethan is on the hunt trying to prevent a nuclear explosion.
The villain is different. In SF Bond is hunting him, and he only catches him because the villain planned it. In Fallout, the villain has already been captured and Ethan breaks him out.
Bond is a loner, doing his own thing, Ethan is part of a team.
How authorative is that article? Besides, even if it's largely true, Hodges and Boyle's script could have drifted between a Russian villan and a North African villan for a long time.
I also wonder about Gala Brand using the word "ur-Swann". The preface "ur" is very common in Norwegian, but I've never seen it in English before. Is it common in English?
It's used in English to mean the original or earliest version of something. Does it mean the same in Norwegian?
It does. it also means a heap of stones of different sizes or a clock. I wondered if the English Language got the Word from Norwegian, but it's from German and proto-Germanic.
That’s stretching it a bit and cherry picking. They both have a few similarities, but you could say that about hundreds of films of any genre. Fallout and Skyfall aren’t really similar at all, they have more differences than similarities.
The ending is hugely different. Bond is on the run trying to protect his boss. Ethan is on the hunt trying to prevent a nuclear explosion.
The villain is different. In SF Bond is hunting him, and he only catches him because the villain planned it. In Fallout, the villain has already been captured and Ethan breaks him out.
Bond is a loner, doing his own thing, Ethan is part of a team.
jamesbondradio say they have sources saying Rami Malik was offered the villan role back in early November, but he had to say no due to sceduling issues with his TV-series Mr Robot.
jamesbondradio say they have sources saying Rami Malik was offered the villan role back in early November, but he had to say no due to sceduling issues with his TV-series Mr Robot.
The author of the Variety, Justin Kroll, had that on his twitter
I'm not on Twitter. I just remember him writing in Variety that Remi Malik couldn't take the role because of Mr Robot. I think he would have been good in Bond25.
That’s stretching it a bit and cherry picking. They both have a few similarities, but you could say that about hundreds of films of any genre. Fallout and Skyfall aren’t really similar at all, they have more differences than similarities.
The ending is hugely different. Bond is on the run trying to protect his boss. Ethan is on the hunt trying to prevent a nuclear explosion.
The villain is different. In SF Bond is hunting him, and he only catches him because the villain planned it. In Fallout, the villain has already been captured and Ethan breaks him out.
Bond is a loner, doing his own thing, Ethan is part of a team.
I could go on, and on, and on....
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Only time I noticed a similarity to SF is the scene where Ethan is talking with the blonde woman at the bar which was quite a bit like Bond and Severine at the Macau casino.
I agree killing Madeleine early in the film would be very obvious. It's also a problem that he's already had a love of his life killed and then gone on a revenge spree. But if they remain together in the whole film it will force Bond to be faithful too. This isn't 1969 and he can't bed half a dozen women while remaining in love with her. Perhaps she breaks up with him? Perhaps they should get back together again at the end? That would open up for Bond womanizing in act two.
It's a possibility Blofeld manages to send out a message from prison that he wants Madeleine killed. Partly because she's Mr. White's daughter, but mostly to get revenge on Bond. The move could then be about keeping Madeline alive, not revenging her. There would have to be some other plot line too, one with a grander goal.
Here is a third idea: SPECTRE kidnaps Madeline (in the PTS where she is on holiday in Norway with Bond). They send a message to Bond that she will be killed if he doesn't deliver them Blofeld. A very reluctant Bond breaks Blofeld out of jail. Does Madeline survive? I'd probably say yes, but she doesn't have to. She might break up With him at this point because of what he did for her. Then Bond sets out to kill Blofeld and destroy SPECTRE, partly because MI6 now can't trust him. They might even hunt him because they don't know why he freed Blofeld. Bond finds Blofeld in a castle in Japan and we basically get the end of YOLT.
It's a crazy plot, but it could work and it would be different.
I seriously doubt the plot involves Bond being forced by Spectre to kidnap and return their boss, or keeping Madeleine alive; that's basically the plot of a recent Hollywood blockbuster released in the last 2 years that I won't name for spoilers' sake.
I think an attempt will be made on Madeleine's life in the PTS; she survives, but she and Bond realize that they can't be together so she goes into government hiding... perhaps Felix helps her the way Bond said he'd help Lucia Sciarra? All can play into the larger character arc of Bond who drives away with Madeleine thinking he can be free of it all, but realizes they'll always come after her. Unlike the recent blockbuster I was talking about, her story is complete by the PTS and we presume she'll be safe.
You're right. I didn't think of that. Interestingly, the way the villan is "released" is obviously heavily inspired from LTK.
You're right. I didn't think of that. Interestingly, the way the villan is "released" is obviously heavily inspired from LTK.
The entire film was full of moments like that. I can't believe people on this thread don't remember the many comments about Fallout having action sequences ripped from Bond films.
You're right. I didn't think of that. Interestingly, the way the villan is "released" is obviously heavily inspired from LTK.
The entire film was full of moments like that. I can't believe people on this thread don't remember the many comments about Fallout having action sequences ripped from Bond films.
Bond ‘films’ maybe, but not a direct rip off and remake of SF as you previously stated in your recent posts. That’s just not true by any stretch of the imagination.
You're right. I didn't think of that. Interestingly, the way the villan is "released" is obviously heavily inspired from LTK.
The entire film was full of moments like that. I can't believe people on this thread don't remember the many comments about Fallout having action sequences ripped from Bond films.
What are we talking about here? Hunt wearing a JV jacket and searching a house (in a deleted scene) make it a ripoff of SP?
I get that there are some vague similarities, but a main plot point of Fallout is that Hunt teams up with a bloke thinking of him as a colleague who then turns out to be the main villain. Don‘t recall that happening since Goldeneye and to a lesser extent in Die Another Day...
I remember sitting in the cinema watching MI: Fallout. I was very entertained and impressed, but I also noticed that several action scenes looked inspired By scenes in Bond movies. Right now I can only remember the escape of the villan, though.
A comment about locations: I'm pretty sure the location(s) in Norway will be in the Vestland area (the part of the coast nearest to the UK, basically), northern Norway or Spitzbergen/Svalbard. The reason is that other parts of the country have a type of landscape they can find in Canada, Finland and a bunch of other countries where filming is less costly. If they are shooting outside Vestlandet, Northern Norway or Spitzbergen it's because they are looking for a very spesific location such as the roof of the Oslo Opera or the underwater resturant at the southern tip of the country that's being buildt now.
Bond ‘films’ maybe, but not a direct rip off and remake of SF as you previously stated in your recent posts. That’s just not true by any stretch of the imagination.
I remember sitting in the cinema watching MI: Fallout. I was very entertained and impressed, but I also noticed that several action scenes looked inspired By scenes in Bond movies. Right now I can only remember the escape of the villan, though.
Doesn't really matter to me. The MI films, which are derived from the original TV series would not exist if it wasn't for the Bond films.
MI: Fallout was an enjoyable bit of entertainment for me.....but it was pretty much out of sight out of mind once I left the theater.
Despite a bit of B-movie cheesiness and tons of action film cliches, I actually liked the generally negatively reviewed Hunter Killer better than MI: Fallout. Gerard Butler would have made a good Bond.
I remember sitting in the cinema watching MI: Fallout. I was very entertained and impressed, but I also noticed that several action scenes looked inspired By scenes in Bond movies. Right now I can only remember the escape of the villan, though.
HALO jump is another. I could go on...
Both films owe more to Nolan's Dark Knight then anything else. Of course Mendes admitted to the influence and maybe McQuarrie did as well but I dont know. Point is all these films are constantly copying each other. Few movies can be truly original anymore. Bond in particular has had problems with this recently because it has such an extensive history which makes it difficult for the franchise to not retread ground. It's something that Spectre leaned too heavily on and hopefully B25 wont.
I think we should differentiate between simularities in style and themes and and actual events that are simular. An example of the latter is an armoured car in a convoy containing an important prisoner being forced off the road and into the water, then the prisoner gets saved and helped to ascape by divers.
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To be clear, there were a lot of problems with Spectre and Seydoux's was well down on the list, but it still doesn't deserve a reprise.
Boyle wanted a cold war angle and that is why they went for a Russian villain. The Daily Telegraph story that broke the news about what exactly the creative dfferences were that led to Boyle's departure says:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/08/22/danny-boyle-quits-bond-dispute-films-russian-villain/
I also wonder about Gala Brand using the word "ur-Swann". The preface "ur" is very common in Norwegian, but I've never seen it in English before. Is it common in English?
How?
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It's used in English to mean the original or earliest version of something. Does it mean the same in Norwegian?
OK, we know the angle involved Russians because MI6-hq.co.uk got the casting call sheet.
https://www.mi6-hq.com/sections/articles/bond-25-casting-call?id=04406
So, it is not a million miles away to say that the theme was cold war...
Have you seen it?!
Read these.
http://www.cracked.com/article_25820_how-mission-impossible-fallout-remake-skyfall.html
https://medium.com/oddbs/mission-impossible-fallout-is-the-new-skyfall-why-thats-a-bad-thing-72574a47b66f
Said Taghmaaoui, with his boxing background, has the potential to have a great fight scene. At 5'8" 150 lbs they would really need to play up the angle of him being this killer fighter but it would work. Good actor too.....he has done equally well as both villains and good guys. As far as Russians are concerned, no reason to not believe that there could be room in a Bond film for both North African and Russian bad guys or Russians that Bond has a history with who help Bond (it's been done before).
That’s stretching it a bit and cherry picking. They both have a few similarities, but you could say that about hundreds of films of any genre. Fallout and Skyfall aren’t really similar at all, they have more differences than similarities.
The ending is hugely different. Bond is on the run trying to protect his boss. Ethan is on the hunt trying to prevent a nuclear explosion.
The villain is different. In SF Bond is hunting him, and he only catches him because the villain planned it. In Fallout, the villain has already been captured and Ethan breaks him out.
Bond is a loner, doing his own thing, Ethan is part of a team.
I could go on, and on, and on....
It does. it also means a heap of stones of different sizes or a clock. I wondered if the English Language got the Word from Norwegian, but it's from German and proto-Germanic.
Couldn’t have said it any better! -{
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The author of the Variety, Justin Kroll, had that on his twitter
You're right. I didn't think of that. Interestingly, the way the villan is "released" is obviously heavily inspired from LTK.
The entire film was full of moments like that. I can't believe people on this thread don't remember the many comments about Fallout having action sequences ripped from Bond films.
To remind you all.
https://www.ajb007.co.uk/post/910568/#p910568
https://www.ajb007.co.uk/post/910540/#p910540
Bond ‘films’ maybe, but not a direct rip off and remake of SF as you previously stated in your recent posts. That’s just not true by any stretch of the imagination.
What are we talking about here? Hunt wearing a JV jacket and searching a house (in a deleted scene) make it a ripoff of SP?
I get that there are some vague similarities, but a main plot point of Fallout is that Hunt teams up with a bloke thinking of him as a colleague who then turns out to be the main villain. Don‘t recall that happening since Goldeneye and to a lesser extent in Die Another Day...
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But, I am excited and ready for a new Bond film. These waits are exhausting!
Other people also beg to differ.
http://www.cracked.com/article_25820_how-mission-impossible-fallout-remake-skyfall.html
HALO jump is another. I could go on...
MI: Fallout was an enjoyable bit of entertainment for me.....but it was pretty much out of sight out of mind once I left the theater.
Despite a bit of B-movie cheesiness and tons of action film cliches, I actually liked the generally negatively reviewed Hunter Killer better than MI: Fallout. Gerard Butler would have made a good Bond.
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