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Asp9mm wrote:

It’s not down to Craig that it’s taken so long.  EON/B.B. is involved in other projects and Bond isn’t the main interest anymore.

That would have been my take on it, eon after all are essentially a family run business, to me it seems obvious the passion for Bond is just not there at the moment, we can only summise that DC dithered about returning but I suspect BB and he had conversations that rightfully aren't in the public domain. It also suited eon to have all the discussion and articles about the next bond didn't it? No new film for 4 years but bond has rarely been out of the news even though there was no news.

It was either that.....or the priesthood

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Chriscoop wrote:
Asp9mm wrote:

It’s not down to Craig that it’s taken so long.  EON/B.B. is involved in other projects and Bond isn’t the main interest anymore.

That would have been my take on it, eon after all are essentially a family run business, to me it seems obvious the passion for Bond is just not there at the moment, we can only summise that DC dithered about returning but I suspect BB and he had conversations that rightfully aren't in the public domain. It also suited eon to have all the discussion and articles about the next bond didn't it? No new film for 4 years but bond has rarely been out of the news even though there was no news.

IMO, it's not so much that Bond isn't EON's "main interest" anymore, it's that they have broadened and diversified with Barbara even taking on some projects outside of EON. The reality is they need to do this to prepare for when the film rights for Bond expire. The gaps between Bond films have allowed them to do this. I don't know if it really has to do with "passion" for doing Bond but as said previously, EON is a family run business and a small "hands on" operation which I also believe contributes to the gaps. It's not Marvel or Disney with Star Wars. These are huge corporations with a very large infrastructure.  Also, one cannot discount the problems that MGM has created over the years with their financial issues and of course legal issues with McClory and Sony.

Regarding the problem at hand with Bond 25, the Screen Rant article makes some really good points. Just to add my own two cents, my advice to EON is, get a director on board who has talent, passion for Bond and understands how to collaborate and work within EON's structure. Use Hodge's screenplay....don't overthink it, tighten things up, don't be a slave to excesses, just make whatever changes you feel are needed and get cracking.

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HowardB wrote:

Also, one cannot discount the problems that MGM has created over the years with their financial issues and of course legal issues with McClory and Sony.

1000% this

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Chriscoop wrote:
Asp9mm wrote:

It’s not down to Craig that it’s taken so long.  EON/B.B. is involved in other projects and Bond isn’t the main interest anymore.

That would have been my take on it, eon after all are essentially a family run business, to me it seems obvious the passion for Bond is just not there at the moment, we can only summise that DC dithered about returning but I suspect BB and he had conversations that rightfully aren't in the public domain. It also suited eon to have all the discussion and articles about the next bond didn't it? No new film for 4 years but bond has rarely been out of the news even though there was no news.

Much as I think Daniel an over promoted character Actor, and an arrogant one at that, I think it's possible that he was very clear about not coming back . I think EON  (Babs) just waited him out, let him calm down and tempt him to reconsider. Eventually the strategy paid off and he agreed to do it. No real data, just a feeling.

Of that of which we cannot speak we must pass over in silence- Ludwig Wittgenstein.

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zaphod99 wrote:
Chriscoop wrote:
Asp9mm wrote:

It’s not down to Craig that it’s taken so long.  EON/B.B. is involved in other projects and Bond isn’t the main interest anymore.

That would have been my take on it, eon after all are essentially a family run business, to me it seems obvious the passion for Bond is just not there at the moment, we can only summise that DC dithered about returning but I suspect BB and he had conversations that rightfully aren't in the public domain. It also suited eon to have all the discussion and articles about the next bond didn't it? No new film for 4 years but bond has rarely been out of the news even though there was no news.

Much as I think Daniel an over promoted character Actor, and an arrogant one at that, I think it's possible that he was very clear about not coming back . I think EON  (Babs) just waited him out, let him calm down and tempt him to reconsider. Eventually the strategy paid off and he agreed to do it. No real data, just a feeling.

In the article about 'Purity' being delayed, he said 'he had been summoned to do Bond'. Which sounds like he was waiting for them ... he also can't really do much as Bond if they stuffed around for over two years sorting out the distribution deal.

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Asp9mm wrote:

It’s not down to Craig that it’s taken so long.  EON/B.B. is involved in other projects and Bond isn’t the main interest anymore.

Well if B Broccoli was determined to keep Craig for Bond 25 - and Craig says to Barbara "look, I'm tired playing the role, I'll come back but give me two years off" and she says "yes, okay" then he's part of the reason why Bond 25 has dragged on for so long. I'm not saying things turned out like that, perhaps Craig wasn't going to come back and Eon weren't in any rush to recast the role but given what we know about Barbara Broccoli and her gushing admiration for Craig, she may have been happy to delay and delay and delay.

Also, Craig was semi-contracted to a tv show Purity which might have been a reason for Eon to delay Bond 25 but that show seems to be less likely than Bond 25. ajb007/biggrin The show that never was.

Anyway, back to the present - let's hope a director comes on board and Bond 25 begins filming in December. I'm sure most fans want Bond 25 out next year, not in 2020.

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Red_Snow wrote:
zaphod99 wrote:
Chriscoop wrote:

That would have been my take on it, eon after all are essentially a family run business, to me it seems obvious the passion for Bond is just not there at the moment, we can only summise that DC dithered about returning but I suspect BB and he had conversations that rightfully aren't in the public domain. It also suited eon to have all the discussion and articles about the next bond didn't it? No new film for 4 years but bond has rarely been out of the news even though there was no news.

Much as I think Daniel an over promoted character Actor, and an arrogant one at that, I think it's possible that he was very clear about not coming back . I think EON  (Babs) just waited him out, let him calm down and tempt him to reconsider. Eventually the strategy paid off and he agreed to do it. No real data, just a feeling.

In the article about 'Purity' being delayed, he said 'he had been summoned to do Bond'. Which sounds like he was waiting for them ... he also can't really do much as Bond if they stuffed around for over two years sorting out the distribution deal.

True Dat

Of that of which we cannot speak we must pass over in silence- Ludwig Wittgenstein.

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Baz Bamigoye reports that Boyle left because EON and Craig wanted to bring in a new writer.

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There’s a lot of pressure on the producers of James Bond 25 to find a filmmaker to take over from Danny Boyle, who quit when Daniel Craig and fellow producers insisted on replacing screenwriter John Hodge.

If this is true, Craig has power to veto the director and the writer. He could be the one to blame for all this! Ditching the writer and the screenplay three months before shooting begins - nice move, Daniel.  ajb007/biggrin  I'm sure all the crew are gonna love your decision which might put them out of work. ajb007/rolleyes

No wonder Craig did return! Not just the money but he has creative control over the film. Power has gone to his head. Babs is to blame for giving the guy too much control. The next Bond actor should be hired as an actor, not as a producer.

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There have been a lot of media reports lately on the power of DC and while he no doubt is a highly influential part of the process - assisting with the completion of the QofS screenplay and serving as producer on later films - some of their claims have to be taken with a grain of salt because its seems as though a lot of bloggers and reporters want to hang this entirely on DC. That may be true, however, a number have also claimed that he has had veto power over all co-stars since CR. I find that one hard to believe considering that it was his first Bond film, he wasn't terribly well known, he was young, his box office power as Bond was unknown, and while it makes sense that he'd have input, I can't imagine Babs and Michael would have given him all the power now being attributed to him right from the start. Beware bloggers/reporters bearing inside information.

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bonded123 wrote:

There’s a lot of pressure on the producers of James Bond 25 to find a filmmaker to take over from Danny Boyle, who quit when Daniel Craig and fellow producers insisted on replacing screenwriter John Hodge.

If this is true, Craig has power to veto the director and the writer. He could be the one to blame for all this! Ditching the writer and the screenplay three months before shooting begins - nice move, Daniel.  ajb007/biggrin  I'm sure all the crew are gonna love your decision which might put them out of work. ajb007/rolleyes

No wonder Craig did return! Not just the money but he has creative control over the film. Power has gone to his head. Babs is to blame for giving the guy too much control. The next Bond actor should be hired as an actor, not as a producer.

That’s a big IF...glad to see you keep an open mind...I’m glad you aren’t a judge  ajb007/lol  ajb007/amazed

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The Domino Effect wrote:

There have been a lot of media reports lately on the power of DC and while he no doubt is a highly influential part of the process - assisting with the completion of the QofS screenplay and serving as producer on later films - some of their claims have to be taken with a grain of salt because its seems as though a lot of bloggers and reporters want to hang this entirely on DC. That may be true, however, a number have also claimed that he has had veto power over all co-stars since CR. I find that one hard to believe considering that it was his first Bond film, he wasn't terribly well known, he was young, his box office power as Bond was unknown, and while it makes sense that he'd have input, I can't imagine Babs and Michael would have given him all the power now being attributed to him right from the start. Beware bloggers/reporters bearing inside information.

I think you are correct in as much as he is part of the story but not all of it. I think he is being singled out as he has a testy relationship with the press. He can seem surly, arrogant and bordeline rude. While all was going swimmingly he was out of scope for pot shots but now the knives seem to be well and truly out.

Of that of which we cannot speak we must pass over in silence- Ludwig Wittgenstein.

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bonded123 wrote:

There’s a lot of pressure on the producers of James Bond 25 to find a filmmaker to take over from Danny Boyle, who quit when Daniel Craig and fellow producers insisted on replacing screenwriter John Hodge.

If this is true, Craig has power to veto the director and the writer. He could be the one to blame for all this! Ditching the writer and the screenplay three months before shooting begins - nice move, Daniel.  ajb007/biggrin  I'm sure all the crew are gonna love your decision which might put them out of work. ajb007/rolleyes

No wonder Craig did return! Not just the money but he has creative control over the film. Power has gone to his head. Babs is to blame for giving the guy too much control. The next Bond actor should be hired as an actor, not as a producer.

More than likely this stuff is probably not really accurate. There's probably lots of blame to go around. No one is going on the record with anything of substance. Most of what is put out there is the tabloid press in England which has no credibility whatsoever. It is possible that Hodge and Boyle's screenplay actually had some issues that EON just couldn't live with or EON is having a huge lapse in judgement. No matter what, when it comes to this kind of stuff, it's all very subjective and the truth typically lies somewhere in the middle but we always have a need to assign blame and see things in simpler black and white terms. With regards to Craig, he does have a rep as being surly and prickly at times with the press, and it could make him an easy target for a resentful media. There are actors and other public figures who are surly and prickly with the media who are actually very decent people otherwise and there are some real charming media darlings who are in reality real rotten apples. Craig has a pretty good rep for being decent to fans who approach him (which can be imposing and difficult) and professional and not a diva on the set.

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Some time in the future, after having seen the movie, it would be very interesting to read the Hodge script.

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Revolver66 wrote:
Thunderpussy wrote:

Did a quick bit of research on Directors being changed for films  and found a few examples …….
Gone With The Wind, The Outlaw Josey Wales,  and  Spartacus.  Obviously these all turned out
to be terrible, terrible movies !  ajb007/biggrin  ajb007/wink

Fair point. Though those films were taken over by 3 of the most talented directors in American history  ajb007/tongue So we'll see maybe they can get a master to direct Bond 25 and produce a similar result!

Hmm. So perhaps they need to hire Dalton Trumbo to (secretly) write the script?  ajb007/lol

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Cheverian wrote:

Bigelow would be an intriguing choice. She’s an Oscar winning director who handles both character and action well. Plus there would be the publicity coup for EON of having a woman direct a James Bond film.

Not to mention such a thing being a useful “transition” dynamic to prepare the wider audience for Bond26: “The name is Bond; Jane Bond”  ajb007/lol

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Jarvio wrote:

... people are overly-critical of everything these days.

I’m highly critical of your overly-critical criticism that people are overly-critical these days. ajb007/lol

Sorry, lazy Sunday Father’s Day morning here in The Shadows and reading this thread for the first time in a long time.

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Revolver66 wrote:

Maybe Bond can kill himself in Bond 25. Knock back a Martini and PPK to the head. That would be a great way for Craig's Bond to go  ajb007/lol

Ah, yes, the Mr White Exit... Having failed in his (Spectre) promise to protect White’s daughter Swann, whom Blofeld kills on their (Bond & Swann’s) wedding day (the Blofeld Revenge arc), and having failed to kill Blofeld for it, he does the Noble Thing, tinged with utter grief at (yet another) Love of his Life(TM) being killed by The Big Bad Blofeld...

Then, you can have the (hitherto-unknown) third sibling, Jane Bond, step in to take over the Family Revenge business.... (sounds a bit too Sherlock, I know, but - hey - the Franchise is stumbling around a bit at the moment....)

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Number24 wrote:

Some time in the future, after having seen the movie, it would be very interesting to read the Hodge script.

I doubt it will ever be seen and all copies likely destroyed, bar maybe one locked in a lawyer's vault somewhere in Hollywood...

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Probably be on eBay.  ajb007/biggrin

Limited stock!

Never used!

Includes typing mistakes!

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Perhaps North Korea can help again? Or perhaps President Trump can ask the Russians to help out?  ajb007/lol

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Depending on what kind of deal was made, EON might own the rights to Hodge's script lock, stock and barrel or for a specific period of time.
EON and Craig appear to be getting all the blame for this mess but we just don't know what really transpired. It is possible that EON was just conducting business as usual and wanting to make changes to the script and Boyle, who is used to having total control just couldn't deal with that? Let's face it, scripts being re-written, changed or doctored is common practice and for better or worst there is an especially long history of this with the Bond films. The difference is, Boyle can go back to making smaller films that he has complete control over but EON is left with a huge budget, tent pole film that is the swan song for a very popular Bond actor in the greatest, most iconic film series in history that is literally now stuck in the mud....yikes.

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HowardB wrote:

Depending on what kind of deal was made, EON might own the rights to Hodge's script lock, stock and barrel or for a specific period of time.
EON and Craig appear to be getting all the blame for this mess but we just don't know what really transpired. It is possible that EON was just conducting business as usual and wanting to make changes to the script and Boyle, who is used to having total control just couldn't deal with that? Let's face it, scripts being re-written, changed or doctored is common practice and for better or worst there is an especially long history of this with the Bond films. The difference is, Boyle can go back to making smaller films that he has complete control over but EON is left with a huge budget, tent pole film that is the swan song for a very popular Bond actor in the greatest, most iconic film series in history that is literally now stuck in the mud....yikes.

Crikey, when you put it like that  ajb007/crap

It was either that.....or the priesthood

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HowardB wrote:

Depending on what kind of deal was made, EON might own the rights to Hodge's script lock, stock and barrel or for a specific period of time.
EON and Craig appear to be getting all the blame for this mess but we just don't know what really transpired. It is possible that EON was just conducting business as usual and wanting to make changes to the script and Boyle, who is used to having total control just couldn't deal with that? Let's face it, scripts being re-written, changed or doctored is common practice and for better or worst there is an especially long history of this with the Bond films. The difference is, Boyle can go back to making smaller films that he has complete control over but EON is left with a huge budget, tent pole film that is the swan song for a very popular Bond actor in the greatest, most iconic film series in history that is literally now stuck in the mud....yikes.

My impression is Boyle and Hodge were a team. Eon must have misread the signals and assumed they could ditch Hodge and his screenplay but still retain Boyle. Turned out Boyle wasn't going to continue without Hodge's screenplay. Perhaps Boyle said to the producers "please reinstate Hodge and I'll stay" - and Eon said no?

We don't know the precise chain of events but it's reasonable to assume Danny Boyle's friendship with John Hodge is more important than making a James Bond film. Boyle could have stuck with the film and directed someone else's screenplay but he decided it wasn't worth it. My guess is most directors would stick it out because of the fee and opportunity to make a James Bond film. Boyle is in his 60s, he's made a lot of films so I guess he doesn't need to make a Bond film. Who knows, perhaps he would have stuck it out (without Hodge) had he been a lot younger with less experience.

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bonded123 wrote:
HowardB wrote:

Depending on what kind of deal was made, EON might own the rights to Hodge's script lock, stock and barrel or for a specific period of time.
EON and Craig appear to be getting all the blame for this mess but we just don't know what really transpired. It is possible that EON was just conducting business as usual and wanting to make changes to the script and Boyle, who is used to having total control just couldn't deal with that? Let's face it, scripts being re-written, changed or doctored is common practice and for better or worst there is an especially long history of this with the Bond films. The difference is, Boyle can go back to making smaller films that he has complete control over but EON is left with a huge budget, tent pole film that is the swan song for a very popular Bond actor in the greatest, most iconic film series in history that is literally now stuck in the mud....yikes.

My impression is Boyle and Hodge were a team. Eon must have misread the signals and assumed they could ditch Hodge and his screenplay but still retain Boyle. Turned out Boyle wasn't going to continue without Hodge's screenplay. Perhaps Boyle said to the producers "please reinstate Hodge and I'll stay" - and Eon said no?

We don't know the precise chain of events but it's reasonable to assume Danny Boyle's friendship with John Hodge is more important than making a James Bond film. Boyle could have stuck with the film and directed someone else's screenplay but he decided it wasn't worth it. My guess is most directors would stick it out because of the fee and opportunity to make a James Bond film. Boyle is in his 60s, he's made a lot of films so I guess he doesn't need to make a Bond film. Who knows, perhaps he would have stuck it out (without Hodge) had he been a lot younger with less experience.

My guess (and guess is the word here) is that EON more than likely wasn't looking to dump the Hodge script but make some changes, which based upon real factual history is how things are done more times than not on Bond films.  Boyle probably wasn't willing to go along with that so therefore a parting of ways. It's also possible that EON initially requested that Hodge make changes in the script and he balked at that. Another guess on my part is that EON probably owns the rights to Hodge's script at least for the next few years and can do what they wish with it. Subsequently, Bond 25 could possibly be just a re-written version of Hodge's script based on an idea by Boyle which could mean that once the changes are made and a director is on board we could be headed for a fall '19 release date. It wouldn't surprise me that the final writing credits for Bond 25 are Screenplay by John Hodge, Danny Boyle and (fill in the blank), unless Boyle and Hodge request to have their names not associated with the film.