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  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 19,613MI6 Agent
    The new Covid-19 was in Britain first, leading to countries completely shutting their borders to the UK. That's bad news for the UK. The no deal Brexit comes on top of that. Yes, everyone wants to trade with everyone so trade between Britain and the UK will work out eventually, but until that happens British businesses will struggle.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,697MI6 Agent
    edited January 2021
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    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 19,613MI6 Agent
    Like it has been doing for the last week or so?
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,697MI6 Agent
    edited January 2021
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    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 19,613MI6 Agent
    And Norway too! Our two countries have agreed to keep using the old trade agreement until a new one is in place. If all else fails people in Britain (and the UK) can drive around in between meals of fish! :D
    I hope you're right about things going well for the British in the coming months, but I have doubts.
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 19,613MI6 Agent
    It looks like Higgins is sleeping :))
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,697MI6 Agent
    edited January 2021
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    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 19,613MI6 Agent
    Wise man, this Kananga. Some day he'll become something Big.

    I'm watching The Nutcracker on TV because it makes me feel like a real man. Also, a friend of my niece is playing the key role if "green marsipan" :D
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,697MI6 Agent
    edited January 2021
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    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 19,613MI6 Agent
    One of Sweden's top officials in their anti-corona effort (such as they are) was caught on camera on his way to the Canary Islands this Christmas. The agency he is heading has urged Swedes not to travel abroad during the pandemic..
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,697MI6 Agent
    edited January 2021
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    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 19,613MI6 Agent
    Today the Norwegian authorities implemented the strongest anti-corona measures so far. It's said only Finland has control of the pandemic here in Europe, while Norway has partial control. Let's hope these measures work!
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 33,051Chief of Staff
    Similarly, Scotland goes into complete lockdown tonight.
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 19,613MI6 Agent
    Sad, even though it probably won't change your concerts :v :D
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 33,051Chief of Staff
    What concerts? :#
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 19,613MI6 Agent
    Thankfully we don't have a full lockdown here yet. I think most businesses will stay open (no serving of alcohol, so bars and such will close) and kindergardens and schools for seventh grade will remain open.
  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 9,620MI6 Agent
    Lockdown in Norway...

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    Roger Moore 1927-2017
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 19,613MI6 Agent
    No smalahove, no skis - but a gun? No way!
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 19,613MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    One of Sweden's top officials in their anti-corona effort (such as they are) was caught on camera on his way to the Canary Islands this Christmas. The agency he is heading has urged Swedes not to travel abroad during the pandemic..

    The Canary Islands tourist has resigned. Good!
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,697MI6 Agent
    edited January 2021
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    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 19,613MI6 Agent
    Is there a legal time limit on how long the UK government can have lockdown at a time, perhaps requiring the Parlamentet to okay it?
    Speaking of lockdown - for the first time during the pandemic some in Norway are speaking of a future lockdown. The current pretty strong measures lastes for two weeks, so I believe a lockdown here can only happen if the virus is out of control by that date.
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,595MI6 Agent
    The „virus being out of control“ is pretty relative.

    Australia for example closed an entire region because of 150 infections in total!
    And in Hong Kong, every Covid Case is one too much and results in drastic measures by the government. Same in New Zealand with drastic measures until the number was Zero.

    Here in Germany, the definition „out of control“ relates to numbers >50 per 100.000 citizens because then the authorities can‘t properly trace back potential infection paths.
    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,595MI6 Agent
    As many of you know, we have someone working for the NHS thus, I am kindly asking Sir Miles to reply to the following questions based on his insight that he has on his daily job:

    - I am hearing still from people who compare Covid to the flu

    - I am still hearing that a large or all Covid numbers are made up (to make more money or to mislead people into becoming sheep) - so basically everybody is now counted to Covid cases, even if they had a traffic accident or heart attack
    (IMO the excess mortality numbers for most of the country show that the Covid cases are slightly undercounted then overcounted)

    - Can you tell us about the occupation numbers in the ERs and why they have been empty during many weeks in summer?
    (I think that I know the answer)

    - Can you comment on the Nightingale hospitals - are they filling up ad why
    (from what I am hearing they are mostly empty because the lack of qualified staff)

    - Can you confirm that crematorium storages are overflowing in some areas because of the increased numbers?

    Thank you!
    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • Asp9mmAsp9mm Over the Hills and Far Away.Posts: 7,266MI6 Agent
    edited January 2021
    I have three close friends who work for the NHS. One nurse, one doctor and one supplier. As well as personally working closely within the toxins and infectious diseases industry.

    1, It is comparable to flu, except it’s far more infectious and has a slightly higher mortality rate and can leave lasting medical conditions even if mildly contracted. Some of these serious. It attacks the body in a different way too as it can invade every cell in the body which can affect people with underlying health problems more severely.

    2, Utter bollox. If anything, originally pathologists and coroners were reluctant to assign COVID related death certificates, and the Government downplayed the numbers as it made them look incompetent and late to the game in dealing with it. So the opposite is true to that rumour. It’s just daft.

    3, ERs and beds are filling up again and shifts are increasing in hours. This is the main problem with the virus and what is most concerning. Not due to the mortality rate of the virus, but the simple fact that our hospitals may fill up and be overwhelmed. This has a knock on effect as then other patients can’t be treated as well, such as accidents and people who need emergency surgery. The hospitals emptied during the Summer as the infection rate was lower due to people isolating. That has led to a backlog of cancelled operations and treatment of other illnesses etc.

    4, Nightingale hospitals were created to ease the pressure should regular hospitals become overwhelmed. This may happen if the infection rates keep on going up. No idea of the occupancy numbers, but there are sufficient staff numbers to run them at minimum capacity.

    5, It’s not the case in the three hospitals they’re working at, but due to restrictions, there are delays in processing.


    To sum it up. It’s not a deadly disease in terms of the mortality rate. But that isn’t the problem. It’s the intense virulent rate of infection and that more people need hospital treatment than with flu. If the NHS is overwhelmed this has serious knock on effects. A higher number of people get really ill too compared to flu. I couldn’t believe how it affected me and I’m still not 100% and that was in October. Breathing was a major problem and I had to have an ambulance called one night it was so bad. It’s affected my breathing, taste and smell and even my sight possibly permanently. If my parents get it, that’s it. Game over, as they both had pneumonia in Feb last year. If they get flu, they’ll probably get through that. Unless there are no beds if they need it.
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  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,595MI6 Agent
    Thanks Sir Miles for replying quick :D :D
    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • Asp9mmAsp9mm Over the Hills and Far Away.Posts: 7,266MI6 Agent
    As an aside. They’re working far more hours and more shifts. And they’ve had enough as they know it’s going to get worse in the near term. Holidays were cancelled for two of them, and they have no idea when they’ll be able to take them now. Their sympathy for some people is at a zero as this new increase is mainly due to idiotic and selfish behaviour. People moaning about the pubs being open so have parties in their houses are shooting themselves in the foot as they’re causing the pubs to be closed for longer. Just because they’re young and it probably won’t affect them is their main argument. They don’t think that they will be passing it on to loads of people who it will affect dramatically.
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  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,595MI6 Agent
    Asp9mm wrote:
    It’s affected my breathing, taste and smell and even my sight possibly permanently. If my parents get it, that’s it.

    There are voices out there saying that you‘ve never had taste.... :)) :)) :))
    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • Asp9mmAsp9mm Over the Hills and Far Away.Posts: 7,266MI6 Agent
    Higgins wrote:
    Asp9mm wrote:
    It’s affected my breathing, taste and smell and even my sight possibly permanently. If my parents get it, that’s it.

    There are voices out there saying that you‘ve never had taste.... :)) :)) :))

    This is true. I have this friend from Germany who is the most ignorant ignoramous and has no redeeming qualities at all.
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  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,595MI6 Agent
    You have friends? ?:) ?:)
    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 9,620MI6 Agent
    Now, how did this all flare up? Perhaps Barbel should reopen the now inappropriately names Not Short-Lived Political Discussion thread to allow you all to vent over there and not here.

    Like the public school that allows graffiti in its loos so it won't happen elsewhere (To Serve Them All My Days, early 1980s, for those who go back that far.)

    Thanks Asp9mm for his post, that's helpful and I'm sorry to how yo've been afflicted.

    One minor caveat re all deaths being listed as Covid when they're not. The Govt came out with this line back in spring/summer. The line went, wasn't it daft that if someone got Covid, then recovered, but then got 'knocked down by a bus' and died via other means, then it still gets recorded as a Covid death!! So instead, they said that if you lived 28 days after a Covid test, then the death would not be attributed to Covid (I think but don't know that it would be 28 days after a negative test once you no longer had it but not sure.)

    Now this is all very well and sympathy was with the Govt on this, hitherto recording larger daily deaths than other countries because of the way we recorded them.
    But... it's also the Govt fiddling the figures, as per usual.
    It ignores the effect of long Covid. And really deaths in care homes, not to mention the whole lockdown thing, how many would get 'run over by a bus' or anything else? All such fatalities are minimal really even without lockdown.
    The husband of the TV presenter Kate Garraway got Covid. He's still far from recovered, he has long Covid. He is still in hospital I think and could hardly utter two words. But, if he died tomorrow (and I hope he doesn't) on the death certificate it can't say Covid because it's past the 28 day period and he no longer has it!

    I'd also point out that care homes were toxic long before Covid was deliberately introduced into them to - imo - enact a legal cull of the elderly and vulnerable. It's up there with the construction industry in its corruption - corruption rigorously endorsed by the Conservative party over decades.
    They've rigged it so any care home death via neglect can be attributed to the inevitability of old age etc Any 'underlying health issues' and that will be cited as the cause. Covid is no different. Death by neglect can be attributed to Covid and no care home will ever get in to trouble because of it, how could they? It's hardly unique in care homes. The care home GP will likely be complicit because it's all a cosy deal, may are on a retainer from the care home giving them up to £20K a year to be in their service.

    So they can play fast and loose with this. It a care home wants the numbers down, they can say it wasn't Covid, to give themselves a clean bill of health, but if there's widespread neglect, they can chalk any death up as Covid.
    As for getting bonuses for such deaths, this doesn't sound wholly implausible because I think that care homes get bonuses for deaths of a certain kind that are hurried along, sort of Liverpool Care Pathway-type stuff where a death is hastened and brought on. That latter point I can't prove but that sort of thing has gone on in the past.
    No care home will get sued for a Covid death. They can get sued by the family for death via neglect.

    Once again I say, get Lasting Power of Attorney in Health and Welfare over your elderly parents or just parents because without that they can be put in a care home without your consent and if they did, they die - take it from me, the State won't give a damn, it saves them money.
    "This is where we leave you Mr Bond."

    Roger Moore 1927-2017
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