What do you mean in engaging with the US in Vaccine protectionism?
Do you mean, we (EU) should stop supplying others (like the UK) with our home-produced vaccines?
You may have explained it, but the scientists don't seem to agree with you according to the preprint finding of their research 🤷
Furthermore research has shown that covid19 itself can cause rare blood clots including cerebral clotting, and as we don't know exactly who has or hasn't had the disease this can't be ruled out either, and AZ vaccine may well be preventing this condition! And even if it was the chances of it happening are nearly 600,000 to one. The chances via mathematical equation of catching covid19 in an average sized population is 1000 to one.
„The scientists“ is a broad term.
the observations of brain bloodclots are for 3 weeks or so now.
It‘s too early to make a final scientific statement.
For some states, that‘s enough - some states be cautious and thus temporarily paused or limited the use of AZ vaccines. Pretty sure in some weeks/months we know more and then we know, which „ The scientists“ where correct.
Are those cases if brain clotting reason for completely suspending AZ? I don‘t think so?
Is AZ much much more benficial than the risk of getting the rare brain clotting? Absolutely yes!
Should we careful and exclude potential risk groups from AZ vaccinations? Yes, as long as we have alternatives.
I personally habe no doubt, that the scientists who connect those cases of a usually extremely rare event now will be proven right. Ignoring, downplaying or silencing those voices may not be smart in the long run and I appreciate the transparency.
Accusing leaders of other motives is just wrong!
The chances of anything coming from Mars is a million to one......he said !
Time for everyone to take a deep breath (masks on, if appropriate) and calm down.
PMs are suggested.
PS Love the "War Of The Worlds" quote, Chriscoop, we needed a laugh.
@N24: I have heard that Norway has observed 1 brain bloodclot in 25000 AZ vaccinations.
Is that correct?
@Chriscoop: Alone in Germany, we had 9 people dead, so maybe you want to tell your Mars analogy to their relatives or how would you feel if it would have happened to someone in your family?
In General: Because of the recent observations, we are moving AZ vaccinations to male and over 60.
So, the programme still goes ahead, we are only changing the modus about who is getting which vaccine.
Recent polls (FORSA from yesterday) show, that vaccine acceptance has not declined due to the recent events in Germany.
69% want to get vaccinated, 10% are waiting .
Our President, Frank Walter Steinmeier has received his Covid Vaccine today - with AstraZeneca
There are four dead associated with the AZ vaccine, I think three of them were blood clots. I'm not sure how many AZ vaccinations were done.
Found it. 121 800 people had the AZ vaccine in Norway, all under 65 and many are health personel. That should be roughly about 30 000 for each death.
We did indeed, though it appears to have been lost on some 🤣🤣🤣
The UK Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency has just „discovered“ further 25 cases of the rare bloodclotting ( including 22 cases of cerebral venous sinus thrombosis (CVST)) after having reported only 5 cases for some time.
It found 30 overall, out of 18 million vaccinations - while the MHRA, the European Medicines Agency (EMA) and the World Health Organization (WHO) also said the benefits of taking the vaccine outweigh any risks.
The Netherlands has stopped AZ vaccinations for people under 60.
I don‘t disagree with you at all, but in Germany alone - 9 people have died and the risk-benefit talk won‘t help them and their relatives much!
Over the last 3 weeks, I have received a significant amount of flak for making the connection between those rare bloodclot cases and AZ vaccinations. And now, the MHRA makes this connection in their very own report!
And the sudden „spike“ (additionally „found“ numbers) make me wonder, who‘d kept them under the carpet so far and if there is more!
Our (EU) leaders have openly communicated those rare cases - the AZ benefits have always been put in context with that and after the first 10 cases here, AZ has been paused for some days to investigate further.
I still find that right and now AZ vaccinations have been moved to male only and over 60 years of age.
So the Programme goes on and the accusations that a significant number of people have died because they now caught Covid does not make sense because the vaccines have only been shifted and not terminated.
A European drug regulator chief has insisted there is a 'clear' link between AstraZeneca's Covid jab and blood clots.
Marco Cavaleri, the head of vaccines at the European Medicines Agency, told Italian newspaper Il Messaggero: 'In my opinion, we can say it now, it is clear there is a link with the vaccine. But we still do not know what causes this reaction.'
He said that 'in the next few hours, we will say that there is a connection, but we still have to understand how this happens'.
But the regulator said the benefits of the vaccine in preventing coronavirus outweigh any risks and it urged the public to continue coming forward for the jab.
I guess that Sir Miles and others owe an apology to Karl Lauterbach and me......
quote Lady Rose: >>Science isn't being followed though is it? The science repeatedly says there is no relation to the AZ vaccine and these very rare blood clots.<<
Various german news outlets and
I'm not sure an apology is neccesery, but the evidence is peiling up against the AZ vaccine and I think we all can acknowledge it.
Well, I have been saying it for weeks now (since March 16) and certain people felt it necessary to attack Germany, the EU, Lauterbach and myself on and on....
Actually apologizing is sometimes a sign of strength. Admiting you're wrong when you are is a sign your ego isn't fragile.
Tell that to Gibbs🤣
No, apologizing its the only half decent thing after you have been totally wrong and off base.
Nothing more and nothing less.
If you've just been wrong it's been wrong it's enough admiting it, or even simply accepting the facts. Apologizing is the right thing if you've behaves badly, said something really bad about someone that's wrong etc.
I haven‘t expected anything at least half-decent from you, Sir Miles and you never disappoint
Is there any need for this?
People can't go around apologizing every time they voice an opinion they honestly belived was right. At least if the opinion was fairly reasonable and it wasn't argued in a malicious and personal way.
They can voice their opinion - even if it's totally wrong.
From the responses -after it's clear that they where totally wrong - you can see how small the egos really are,