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  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,407MI6 Agent
    edited March 26

    So, after weeks of "AZ does not prefer the UK" "The AZ UK produced doses are for the UK and the EU produced doses are not" and recently the

    Quote Lady Rose : >>Turns out that non of those 29 million vaccines where headed to the UK after all <<

    it turned all out to be lies - as expected!


    So the UK have a preferred contract edge over the EU?

    Let's see the contracts! I don't believe a single word from AZ * and BOJO has a record of taking every opportunity to cheat for his own benefit - particularly as he’s totally desperate in the eye of how he has managed Covid so far (talking about incompetence....)!

    Now rant about Macron if that makes you feel better!


    As for the "best efforts" clause - we'll see how that will be interpreted at a later point of time as there are very different positions about it if it's really like that in the contracts at all!

    As for Quote Sir Miles: >>After Germany deciding to pause the use of the vaccine there has been an exponential rise in cases again 🙈<<

    AZ has a contract to deliver 120 million doses until 31. March and they have supplied 30.

    That is one of the main reasons why the rise is exponentially and thousands of people are dying because of this!

    *and none of the EU officials do for quite some time!

    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 18,108MI6 Agent

    Now Norway and Denmark has decided to extend the pause of the AZ vaccinations.

  • Sir MilesSir Miles The Wrong Side Of The WardrobePosts: 25,314Chief of Staff

    It’s amazing how the EU complain about possible side effects of the AZ vaccine but then decide to pause using it anyway 🙄

    It’s extremely clear that the EU messed up - amazing how it’s everyone else’s fault but theirs...kinda reminds me of someone that 🤔👀

    YNWA 97
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  • Sir MilesSir Miles The Wrong Side Of The WardrobePosts: 25,314Chief of Staff

    Really? Was I not cryptic enough 👀🤣🤗

    YNWA 97
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 18,108MI6 Agent

    Are there any EU countries other than Denmark that's pausing the AZ vaccinations today?

  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 18,108MI6 Agent
    edited March 27

    As many as half of the people offered a vaccine this week (at least in some places) didn't show up for the vaccination. Why? They needed to stay at their cabin during Easter. This makes perfect sense because saying in the cabin for Easter is very important for Norwegians, perhaps even more important than reading and watching crime fiction during Easter. So we're not strange at all, you see.

  • Charmed & DangerousCharmed & Dangerous Posts: 7,218MI6 Agent

    Yes, when you put it that way, it makes perfect sense...

    "How was your lamb?" "Skewered. One sympathises."
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 18,108MI6 Agent

    Yes, without me contectualizing it could have sounded crazy. 😜

  • GymkataGymkata Minnesota, USAPosts: 3,352MI6 Agent

    Had my first vaccine shot yesterday. I got the Pfizer one. Apart from a sore shoulder (which I guess is common), I haven't really had any issues or side effects.

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  • Lady RoseLady Rose London,UKPosts: 2,509MI6 Agent

    I had Pfizer and also had a sore arm but that's no different to the one I have every year when I have my flu vaccine.

    America seems to be getting their jabs done now.

  • You Know My Name007You Know My Name007 Posts: 48MI6 Agent

    Typical Germans cant get any thing done at the moment ( so called european savers )

    whats the country coming to going to the dogs since 2015

    the usa and uk are well infront of them ( i have family in both lands so i do know whats going on )

    by the way not anti german ( wife is one and i live here )

    just want tell it like it is

  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,407MI6 Agent
    edited March 28

    Very subtile and differentiated analysis 😂😂


    2015 - refugee crisis!

    I guess that you are not a big humanitarian?

    Let them all drown in the Med, heh?😒

    Why don‘t you move back to the UK when it‘s so much better?


    Fact:

    Today 126.000 Covid deaths in the UK and 76000 in Germany ( not that that is really good)

    And germans can‘t get anything done...

    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 31,519Chief of Staff

    That's enough of that, both of you. Keep matters impersonal or take it to PMs.

  • You Know My Name007You Know My Name007 Posts: 48MI6 Agent
    edited March 29

    [Edited by Barbel. Did you not read my post above?

    Choose your next post carefully, You Know My Name007. It may be your last.]

  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,407MI6 Agent
    edited March 30

    Canada has suspended using AZ for women below 55 of age.

    Some german counties are doing this since yesterday, as well the famous Charite in Berlin.

    So far, 33 cases of brain bloodclots habe been reported in Germany alone.

    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • Lady RoseLady Rose London,UKPosts: 2,509MI6 Agent

    That's fine. Just stop whining about it. Use it or don't.

    Leave AZ alone and just take any of the other vaccines that are now available and give it to countries that will use it. It's safe and it's cheap because it's produced at cost so it's available for poorer countries.

    Germany and Canada can do what they want even though it's not based on anything at all and all the health organisations have repeatedly said there is no evidence to back it up. The medical consensus also seems to be it's more dangerous not to vaccinate.

    There's probably more chance of you getting blood clots from using a contraceptive pill but that doesn't stop millions of women taking it without giving it a thought.

    We'll carry on vaccinating and watch our numbers plummet.

  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,407MI6 Agent
    edited March 30

    Not sure who was whining - I certainly wasn‘t


    It‘s a bit more complex. I am 56 and male, my risk of getting Covid is significantly higher than getting a brain bloodclot from the vaccination.

    That assessment may be totally different with a 25 year old nurse.

    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
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  • Lady RoseLady Rose London,UKPosts: 2,509MI6 Agent

    It was a general stop whining. Use the vaccine or don't.

    I'll bet money that a 25 year old female nurse will have been on a contraceptive pill or been on a plane and not thought twice about blood clots and I'd bet further money that the risk of blood clots from either of those is higher than the AZ jab.

  • Lady RoseLady Rose London,UKPosts: 2,509MI6 Agent

    I'll bet money that a 25 year old female nurse will have used a contraceptive pill or flown on a plane and not thought twice about blood clots. I'll bet further money that the chances of blood clots from either of those is higher than with having the AZ vaccine.

    As I say, use the vaccine or don't. The stopping and starting of the AZ vaccine must be doing so much damage. Confidence in the AZ vaccine in Europe especially is shot by now so give it countries that will use it.

  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,407MI6 Agent
    edited March 31

    You are still not able to differentiate between a rare brain bloodclot and a „normal“ trombosis .


    Our decisions are based on science and the fact that not only Germany has stopped AZ and amended the use of it (well communicated) speaks against your claim that this is all „political“.

    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 18,108MI6 Agent

    I have to agree with Higgins. If it's political, why has Norway (not an EU member) also paused AZ vaccinations? Our authorities have been honest about how this will slow down the vaccinations, so it's not good politics to pause AZ.

  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,407MI6 Agent

    How many cases of brain bloodclots have you had in Norway after AZ vaccinations?

    Or do the Norwegian authorities base their decisions on what was reported from Germany and others?

    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,407MI6 Agent
    edited March 31

    Before Sir Miles shows up and picks up single words and throw them in the air, let's make terminology right:


    Which vaccines are used and how, this decision is made by politicians.

    They base their decisions on political factors and in the case of vaccinations - based on the advise of the best scientists in the country.


    When people accuse "this is all political", it basically means that the politician in the EU and outside base their vaccination decisions on the desire to punish or harm the UK and AZ by dragging AZ thru the mud.

    What I say is, that the decisions of the German politicians bases on the advise of their best scientists (and other factors - e.g. we have here an ethics commission that also advises on the topic of vaccination).

    So, all decisions made by politicians are somehow based on "politics" because scientists here only give advise but don't make decisions.


    So, it would be more correct to say: " The decision of the German politicians to pause or limit the vaccination of AZ is based on scientific advise "(and the fear if they ignore scientists' advise, they will be torn in pieces by the yellowpress).

    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • Lady RoseLady Rose London,UKPosts: 2,509MI6 Agent


    Why are you always so patronising? Can you not discuss something without being unpleasant and arrogant ? Are you an expert in blood clots now?

    Yes, I can differentiate between rare brain blood clots and a normal thrombosis. I have blood clots. I have had TIA's because of blood clots. I am on blood thinners to try and prevent them. The bottom line though is that they are both deadly and people go about their daily business weighing up the odds as to whether the risk is minimal or not. The risk of a 'normal' thrombosis is much higher than a rare brain blood clot following a vaccine. Both can be deadly.

    Science isn't being followed though is it? The science repeatedly says there is no relation to the AZ vaccine and these very rare blood clots. The science also says you are at far greater risk from catching Covid than you are of getting a rare blood clot.

    As I've said, I don't care if the European Union or anywhere else for that matter uses the vaccine or not. They have totally undermined the AZ vaccine one way or another. One minute it was not suitable for over 60's now it's not suitable for under 50's.


    Here in the UK our figures are plummeting and we're coming out of lockdown. So far, the vaccine programme is working for us and I'll take that especially after our disastrous first 12 months of living with Covid-19.

    30 million have been vaccinated with at least one dose in the UK and all the second doses are starting to be administered. That's some pretty crazy numbers and statistics.

  • ChriscoopChriscoop Belize Posts: 10,437MI6 Agent
    edited March 31

    Completely meaningless post this, I 2as just playing around with the new features and seems you can't delete anything other than text 🤷

    It was either that.....or the priesthood
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,407MI6 Agent
    edited March 31

    Lady Rose,


    your post is too personal and I find it strange as you constantly mention "trombosis"and never address to the rare brain clotting (if the forum software would make it possible, I'd quote you for doing so in at least 5 cases).

    I have never called you arrogant, patronizing or unpleasant. Disagree with me, but stop to be personally offended!

    Our scientists are pretty good, some of them developed Biontec, which was very supportive for the UK vaccination programme.

    Other than in the UK (and I can only speculate about the reasons) scientists in many countries now relate those brain bloodclots to AZ vaccinations and I have told you why. And it's only a matter of time that the WHO will confirm this.

    Again, AZ vaccinations are much more beneficiary than the risk of brain bloodclotting - but those rare cases exist and they must be properly researched addressed and communicated. Ignoring them will not work in the end


    Ignore it but don't attack me in that personal kind of way. You are again way out of line!

    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • ChriscoopChriscoop Belize Posts: 10,437MI6 Agent

    What I find interesting is that over 18 million AZ vaccinations the thrombosis or blood clotting figure is less than what you'd expect to see in a population of that size! An independent scientific release found no connection to the vaccine and actually found that some of the clot sufferers had pre existing conditions with their platelets and others may well have been previously exposed to SARS or covid which in itself causes clotting. That research was co funded by, Pfizer, Sanofi and GSK, which again is interesting ! Whether or not this is political ? The Italian Director General of Italy's medicine authority stated it was political, As a whole the EU seem to approve the vaccines use. And as this is a global pandemic how come the EU hasn't engaged with the US who have actively engaged in Vaccine protectionism? Food for thought.

    It was either that.....or the priesthood
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,407MI6 Agent
    edited March 31

    That is actually not the case!


    I've explained it now 5 times:


    1. normal trombosis or bloodclottings: Yes, there are no significant increases above the baseline
    2. Brain bloodclottings: Yes, there is a significant increase over the expected number without vaccinations (baseline) That is why some states are hesitant and worried and take measures re. AZ vaccinations.


    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
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