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  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,407MI6 Agent
    edited March 22

    The contract details between the EU and AZ remain unclear, the EU repeats, that the AZ promise of delivery was not limited to production site/availability and so on. There is a fixed timeline and AZ fails to follow it according to the EU.


    It still remains that Sanofi announced troubles by Mid of December and it‘s clear since then that we can‘t count on Sanofi.

    Why Macron would burn AZ from this point „because he‘s invested in Sanofi“ is still unclear.

    We would need Sanofi now, later this year, we will have more than enough vaccine, so burning AZ in favour of Sanofi „later this year“ doesn‘t make sense either.

    It just doesn‘t make sense and Macron for sure is not an idiot.

    Tax breaks for research and building up production facilities (in particular for crucial vaccines) is not unusual, I am pretty sure that Oxford/AZ has benefitted to a similar degree from the UK government btw....

    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • ChriscoopChriscoop Belize Posts: 10,437MI6 Agent

    There have been various parts of the contract made public by non other than astrazeneca CEO Pascal Soriot (who btw is French Australian). According to a French journalist Macrons approval rating has plummeted to 29% after his 4 u- turns and downright dangerous approach to the vaccination rollout. He has also (according to many French) cemented himself as "a European Union Power Player" who's actions are purely political ! Just for interest here is a quote from the French article, due to the translating programme it may contain some grammatical errors.


    .Macron then performed yet another spectacular U-turn, almost certainly because German chancellor Angela Merkel – his chief EU ally – had suspended the use of AstraZeneca.

    The scientific evidence for the suspension was negligible – leading French doctors united with health authority chiefs to say the temporary ban was entirely political, and even when lifted it would cause “catastrophic” damage to the vaccination programme. In the words of MP Nicolas Dupont-Aignan: “The executive sails blindly, no longer thinking for itself and only knows how to follow in Germany’s footsteps”.

    Irrelevant of nationality it is plain to most what has been going on here.

    With reference to my earlier posts regarding Sanofi, these are historical facts from last year when it was thought that Sanofi would produce a viable vaccine, and Macron pledged 200 million euros towards this endeavour. As it stands they are said to be turning some of their facilities over to producing Johnson and Johnsons vaccine, which has also angered Macron!

    It was either that.....or the priesthood
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,407MI6 Agent

    You should really think twice before using such a quote to make your point.

    Macron blindly sailing ... follow in Germany's footsteps - hilarious!

    So, Macron's poll numbers are bad - what does this have anything to do with the ridiculous theory that he's burning AZ for Sanofi's benefit?

    I have already commented on Sanofi's benefits - it happened and even on a much larger scale happens now that we all realize how important the development in the field of vaccines is.

    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • ChriscoopChriscoop Belize Posts: 10,437MI6 Agent
    edited March 22

    Not really I added the quote from a French source so I couldn't be charged with using British sources that you always deem nationalistic or unreliable when they don't support your opinion.

    Who says he's "burning Az"? Certainly not a quite from me. But his ratings are low due I part to his handling of the vaccine roll out, and his constant u turns on it. It's also not helpful that he suspended a viable vaccine and fear mongered it to a French population that already have a lot of distrust in such things. I also don't think its "hilarious" that thousands more are at risk of contracting a potentially deadly disease because some leaders have decided to play political football with a life saving vaccine!

    It was either that.....or the priesthood
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,407MI6 Agent
    edited March 22

    That doesn‘t make the crazy claim by your quoted article any better or more realistic.

    The author better gets his mental health checked.

    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • ChriscoopChriscoop Belize Posts: 10,437MI6 Agent

    Her name is Nabila Ramdani, freelance journalist .

    It was either that.....or the priesthood
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,407MI6 Agent

    Recommend that you check your sources a bit before you present a frechman whitnes against Macron:


    member of the EU-critical Debout la France which managed to get 800.000 votes i(3,5%) n the last EU elections


    >>Although he shares many policies and views with Marine Le Pen, he is considered less hardline than she and has criticised her in the past.<<


    What's next, Chris?

    Are you using a Johnson-critical quote by Corbyn as evidence that BoJo is finished? 😂😂

    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • ChriscoopChriscoop Belize Posts: 10,437MI6 Agent

    I've no idea who this man is 🤷

    It was either that.....or the priesthood
  • Sir MilesSir Miles The Wrong Side Of The WardrobePosts: 25,314Chief of Staff

    Mental health issues are not a laughing matter.

    YNWA 97
  • ChriscoopChriscoop Belize Posts: 10,437MI6 Agent

    In the whole context of the piece she wrote Nabila Ramdani also quoted Jean Castex, who I am sure you know, so it may or may not surprise you to hear he contradicted Macron with regards the vaccine! Perhaps he hadn't been told of the French presidents latest U-turn. Quoting from different sources on opposing political stances makes the article more unbiased and level, so a quote from your chappy up there who I know nothing about and a quote from the French prime minister in an article about why the French people are upset about the vaccine and the handling of its roll out! I don't see your problem, other than you don't agree with it 🤷

    It was either that.....or the priesthood
  • ChriscoopChriscoop Belize Posts: 10,437MI6 Agent

    No it's certainly not, it wasn't then and it's not now especially as it's so prevelant thanks to this cursed pandemic.

    It was either that.....or the priesthood
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,407MI6 Agent
    edited March 22

    The „chappy up there“ is quoted in your post for saying

    „The executive sails blindly, no longer thinking for itself and only knows how to follow in Germany’s footsteps” 🙄

    I had hopes that your memory would last that long.

    I can assure you that like in France, here in Germany everybody is quite upset about how the vaccine orders have been done. And that is mainly against the EU and rightly so - and I am upset, too.

    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • ChriscoopChriscoop Belize Posts: 10,437MI6 Agent

    Nothing wrong with my memory, I just don't find it necessary to research every quoted person, in the multitude of articles I read that interest me ! I do however on occasion research the journalist to make sure they aren't politically biased.

    It was either that.....or the priesthood
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,407MI6 Agent
    edited March 22

    The main point of your post above was heavily politically biased as I have tried to show you.


    I‘ve written a long and elaborate post (#1427) about why AZ was temporarily stopped here and that it was not a „political football“.

    It where scientists that rose the warningflag and it would have been totally irresponsible to ignore it and move on!

    Just imagine what the yellowpress would have made out of it here and in the UK.


    AZ had issues right from the beginning as it‘s efficacy was reportedly not as high as Biontec and Moderna, the breech of contract from AZ did not make any good and there have been strong sideeffects known after the first doses have been given to healthworkers. In parts 50% of hospital staff have reported sick after vaccinations with AZ and all this happened before AZ was temporarily stopped - which was well communicated here.

    If I was called tomorrow to receive an AZ vaccination, I‘d 100% go and get it.

    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,407MI6 Agent
    edited March 24

    According to various European news outlets, AZ is hoarding around 30 million EU-produced doses in Anagi, Italy and those apparently should have been exported to the UK.

    there is an info, that the Dutch production site is not certified yet, but the following is still valid:


    So far the legend was, that the AZ shortages only affect the European sites and the UK are getting supplied in full by their UK sites......

    Seems that European bureaucrats where on the right track some weeks ago ( I wrote about it in post # 1350) when border checks in Ireland where announced and shortly after pulled.


    I‘d say the ice is getting thinner for those who so far pointed out, that AZ is telling the truth about their contracts with the EU while at the same time refuse to disclose the contract.

    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 31,519Chief of Staff

    Just back from having my AZ jab. Now to wait till they tell me to go back for the second one.

  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,407MI6 Agent

    Cheers, Barbel! 🍻

    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 18,108MI6 Agent

    Congratulations? 🤔

  • Lady RoseLady Rose London,UKPosts: 2,509MI6 Agent


    Turns out that non of those 29 million vaccines where headed to the UK after all.

    The EU are playing a very dangerous game trying to hide their own incompetence.

  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,407MI6 Agent
    edited March 25

    We‘ll see how this plays out.

    According to a UK spokeswoman, UK are expecting millions of doses from Halix in the coming week.

    The feeling grows here, that AZ and the UK government are taking us for a ride!


    Incompetence would be more on AZ side. They promised 120 million doses for the EU and supplied 30 million.

    In my opinion it‘s high time that the EU show some teeth.

    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • Lady RoseLady Rose London,UKPosts: 2,509MI6 Agent

    Matt Hancock confirmed today why AZ is prioritising the UK over Europe. He said that the UK had an exclusivity deal and the EU had a 'best efforts' deal.

    Interesting developments over the past couple of days. Both Merkel and Macron apologising and the EU issuing a joint statement with UK. The EU seem to be finally accepting they have dropped the ball with this one and were in serious danger of doing major repetitional damage.

    'British production sites are manufacturing for Britain and the United States is not exporting, so we are reliant on what we can make in Europe,' Merkel said.


    I was looking at Israel's stats this morning and they are phenomenal. Vaccines work.

  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,407MI6 Agent
    edited March 25

    As Merkel apologizing, you may have gotten something out of context.

    He apology was to the german people and it was nothing about vaccinations.


    Interesting what Hancock says.

    And even more interesting what he hasn‘t said.

    I am sure that this is not the end and wouldn‘t be surprised if in the end both the Uk government and AZ are found out later for massive cheating to the detriment of the EU - but that will be too late then.

    Watch this space.

    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • Ens007Ens007 EnglandPosts: 863MI6 Agent

    Let's just face it - it's all apparently the UK's fault & the dear old EU are absolutely heaven sent with everything 😴

    In the interest of variety, is there any chance of focusing on any positives to have now emerged with this situation??

  • chrisno1chrisno1 LondonPosts: 1,243MI6 Agent
    edited March 25

    Liver disease might have taken a downturn...

    Agh, I'm being too petty.

    I had my AZ jab on Tuesday and am currently struggling with awful flu-like side-effects. Much worse than I get with the annual influenza vaccine. If this is what Covid's like I seriously don't want it.

  • Ens007Ens007 EnglandPosts: 863MI6 Agent

    Very sorry to hear you’re not too well Chrisno1 ... fingers crossed for a very speedy recovery.

  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 18,108MI6 Agent
    edited March 25

    I think Denmark and Norway are the only countries left in Europe not distributing AZ vaccines and that may change in the next few days.

  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 18,108MI6 Agent

    It was suppose "not distributing" in the above post, of course. Is there a function i New AJB for fixing posts that I don't know of?

  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,407MI6 Agent

    Next to Post 1498 of 1497 is a little wheel.

    Press it and you can edit your post

    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 18,108MI6 Agent

    Thanks. 👌

  • Lady RoseLady Rose London,UKPosts: 2,509MI6 Agent

    Quite.


    I'm just glad we seem to have finally got our act together at last.

    I'm pretty concerned now of the fact my friend has just had a jacuzzi installed in her garden and is planning a get together in the garden when we're allowed.

    Let's just say I'm not swim suit ready after a year in lockdown!!

    As for a decrease in liver disease? I doubt it. 😂 😉

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