Danny Boyle has left Bond25 over 'creative differences'

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  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 19,814MI6 Agent
    I think a "missing in action" would work far better than actually killing Bond at the end of Bond25.
  • CheverianCheverian Posts: 1,288MI6 Agent
    I know this is an opinion board but can we dispense with the opinion that MI:6 is a box office failure in favor of the actual numbers.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2018/08/26/box-office-ant-man-2-passes-ant-man-the-meg-crosses-400m-jurassic-world-2-tops-wonder-woman/#3d3d55df6662

    “But it still behind Tom Cruise’s Mission: Impossible – Fallout, which earned another $8 million (-25%) in its fifth weekend for a $193.9m domestic total. It should pass $200m by Labor Day and thus zoom past the $195m cume of Mission: Impossible – Rogue Nation. The $209m total of Ghost Protocol and the $215m (in 2000) total of Mission: Impossible II should get lapped in the next month.


    “That will make Fallout Cruise’s biggest unadjusted domestic earner behind War of the Worlds ($235 million in 2005). Paramount/Viacom Inc.’s $180m sequel has earned $538m worldwide thus far. And it’ll open in China next weekend, where the last two Mission: Impossible movies both topped $100m. How well it holds on around the world and how well it performs in China will determine if it gets past $700m. But at this point, it’s more mission: difficult than mission: impossible.”
  • ChriscoopChriscoop Belize Posts: 10,449MI6 Agent
    Cheverian wrote:
    I know this is an opinion board but can we dispense with the opinion that MI:6 is a box office failure in favor of the actual numbers.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2018/08/26/box-office-ant-man-2-passes-ant-man-the-meg-crosses-400m-jurassic-world-2-tops-wonder-woman/#3d3d55df6662

    “But it still behind Tom Cruise’s Mission: Impossible – Fallout, which earned another $8 million (-25%) in its fifth weekend for a $193.9m domestic total. It should pass $200m by Labor Day and thus zoom past the $195m cume of Mission: Impossible – Rogue Nation. The $209m total of Ghost Protocol and the $215m (in 2000) total of Mission: Impossible II should get lapped in the next month.


    “That will make Fallout Cruise’s biggest unadjusted domestic earner behind War of the Worlds ($235 million in 2005). Paramount/Viacom Inc.’s $180m sequel has earned $538m worldwide thus far. And it’ll open in China next weekend, where the last two Mission: Impossible movies both topped $100m. How well it holds on around the world and how well it performs in China will determine if it gets past $700m. But at this point, it’s more mission: difficult than mission: impossible.”
    A very good and well written post Cheverian, but what's it got to do with Danny Boyle and Bond?
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  • CheverianCheverian Posts: 1,288MI6 Agent
    Chriscoop wrote:
    Cheverian wrote:
    I know this is an opinion board but can we dispense with the opinion that MI:6 is a box office failure in favor of the actual numbers.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2018/08/26/box-office-ant-man-2-passes-ant-man-the-meg-crosses-400m-jurassic-world-2-tops-wonder-woman/#3d3d55df6662

    “But it still behind Tom Cruise’s Mission: Impossible – Fallout, which earned another $8 million (-25%) in its fifth weekend for a $193.9m domestic total. It should pass $200m by Labor Day and thus zoom past the $195m cume of Mission: Impossible – Rogue Nation. The $209m total of Ghost Protocol and the $215m (in 2000) total of Mission: Impossible II should get lapped in the next month.


    “That will make Fallout Cruise’s biggest unadjusted domestic earner behind War of the Worlds ($235 million in 2005). Paramount/Viacom Inc.’s $180m sequel has earned $538m worldwide thus far. And it’ll open in China next weekend, where the last two Mission: Impossible movies both topped $100m. How well it holds on around the world and how well it performs in China will determine if it gets past $700m. But at this point, it’s more mission: difficult than mission: impossible.”
    A very good and well written post Cheverian, but what's it got to do with Danny Boyle and Bond?

    I was responding to Post 322 among others.

    And I didn't write the quoted section of my post. It was part of the article I linked to on Forbes. Hence the use of quotations marks. ;)
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,706MI6 Agent
    Well, .... there has been a bit of Fallout about D Boyle leaving
    Bond 25 :D
    Can't say I ever seen any reports of MI6:Fallout being anything
    Else than a big hit ? They do make a lot of money ........ not as
    Much as Bond obviously, but still very successful. ;)
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  • MrGoreMrGore Posts: 129MI6 Agent
    :)) Let's not have a falling out about Fallout.
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 19,814MI6 Agent
    According to the James Bond International Fan Club, EON was searching for locations in Namibia. We don't know now if what, if anything from that script will be used. I do like the idea of shooting in Namibia. I've wanted Bond to shoot outside the standard area (places that can be reached within a few hours drive from the Mediteranian), and Namibia would fit. The country has the Kalahari desert, but if they just wanted a desert they would just film in Morroco or Tunisia. Namibia isn't Arab, but very much African with savannas, elephants and other exotic animals. We'll see if EON spreads their wing a bit when looking for locations...
  • bonded123bonded123 Posts: 291MI6 Agent
    MI:Fallout is currently making less BO than the two previous MI films. Skyfall and SPECTRE grossed significantly more than the last two MI films. Bond is still the number one spy franchise in terms of box office but Tom Cruise does his own stunts. Apparently he does his own acting too, but don't quote me on that. :p
  • JTMJTM Posts: 3,027MI6 Agent
    bonded123 wrote:
    MI:Fallout is currently making less BO than the two previous MI films. Skyfall and SPECTRE grossed significantly more than the last two MI films. Bond is still the number one spy franchise in terms of box office

    It still hasn’t been released in China yet, so add another $100 or so million to that box office number.
  • bluemanblueman PDXPosts: 1,667MI6 Agent
    Killing off Bond in real time would accommodate something a simple recasting of the role would not: rebooting Bond back to the Cold War. All the novels become available then, with the (new?) producers able to film them as Fleming wrote them.

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  • PPK 7.65mmPPK 7.65mm Saratoga Springs NY USAPosts: 1,149MI6 Agent
    I am sure that things will turn around before we know it. After all, some moviegoers thought that due to MGM's financial woes post QOS that it would take too long before we got another film and Craig would get tired of waiting and leave. Thankfully, things did turn around. In the mean time, I am glad that the Dynamite comic book series is continuing.
  • JarvioJarvio EnglandPosts: 4,232MI6 Agent
    blueman wrote:
    Killing off Bond in real time would accommodate something a simple recasting of the role would not: rebooting Bond back to the Cold War. All the novels become available then, with the (new?) producers able to film them as Fleming wrote them.

    I know, I dream.

    They could easily re-boot with a cold-war period piece without killing bond
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  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,566MI6 Agent
    Jarvio wrote:
    blueman wrote:
    Killing off Bond in real time would accommodate something a simple recasting of the role would not: rebooting Bond back to the Cold War. All the novels become available then, with the (new?) producers able to film them as Fleming wrote them.

    I know, I dream.

    They could easily re-boot with a cold-war period piece without killing bond

    People were very confused about the CR reboot. A lot of people think it's a prequel set in the wrong time. Killing Bond may help people understand that if Bond comes back it's a reboot. Or they may just wonder how Bond came back to life. In any case, there will be theories about how everything fits together no matter how it works.
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  • Bmorelli11Bmorelli11 Posts: 197MI6 Agent
    A well written piece from Screen Rant. Synopsis: save Bond by just making a Bond film.

    https://www.screenrant.com/james-bond-movies-problems/amp/
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  • walther p99walther p99 NJPosts: 3,417MI6 Agent
    Bmorelli11 wrote:
    A well written piece from Screen Rant. Synopsis: save Bond by just making a Bond film.

    https://www.screenrant.com/james-bond-movies-problems/amp/
    That was a great read, thought this bit was particularly true:
    "With things so muddled, Bond 25 should take a step back; as with most franchises, from Friday the 13th to Star Trek, the best advice is to not overthink it. Now, 007 isn't as simple as a hockey-masked hulk stalking camp counselors, but neither should it be a mammoth undertaking that takes four years to complete a single movie; the only real difference need be locking in the sponsorship, and even that's not out of the ordinary nowadays. That aside, the biggest thing holding the series back is that it's moving at such a glacial pace."
  • zaphod99zaphod99 Posts: 1,415MI6 Agent
    Bmorelli11 wrote:
    A well written piece from Screen Rant. Synopsis: save Bond by just making a Bond film.

    https://www.screenrant.com/james-bond-movies-problems/amp/
    That was a great read, thought this bit was particularly true:
    "With things so muddled, Bond 25 should take a step back; as with most franchises, from Friday the 13th to Star Trek, the best advice is to not overthink it. Now, 007 isn't as simple as a hockey-masked hulk stalking camp counselors, but neither should it be a mammoth undertaking that takes four years to complete a single movie; the only real difference need be locking in the sponsorship, and even that's not out of the ordinary nowadays. That aside, the biggest thing holding the series back is that it's moving at such a glacial pace."

    This was right on the money.
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  • MrGoreMrGore Posts: 129MI6 Agent
    That aside, the biggest thing holding the series back is that it's moving at such a glacial pace."

    This is true.
    There really is no justification for the "glacial pace".
  • bonded123bonded123 Posts: 291MI6 Agent
    edited August 2018
    You could argue Craig did mess everyone around for almost two years before committing to the role. SPECTRE released October/November 2015 - Craig announced his return in August 2017. It wasn't an official EON announcement, he mentioned it on a chat show. I don't know if Craig's delay/indecision in returning meant pre-production went at a snail's pace. Back in the Cubby era the next Bond film was in pre-production a few months after the release of the current Bond film. Those days are long gone.

    To put it into context, the time it took Craig to announce he was returning was almost the same amount of time Broccoli/Saltzman took to make a new Bond film!

    If Bond 25 is delayed till 2020 I think there's a legitimate case to argue Bond 25 will be the worst managed Bond film of the franchise. Four years of potential pre-production (2015 - 2019), getting the right script, actors, director - much of that wasted due to delays, disinterest (Craig didn't seem keen to return), or disagreements (Boyle quitting).
  • Asp9mmAsp9mm Over the Hills and Far Away.Posts: 7,279MI6 Agent
    It’s not down to Craig that it’s taken so long. EON/B.B. is involved in other projects and Bond isn’t the main interest anymore.
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  • ChriscoopChriscoop Belize Posts: 10,449MI6 Agent
    Asp9mm wrote:
    It’s not down to Craig that it’s taken so long. EON/B.B. is involved in other projects and Bond isn’t the main interest anymore.
    That would have been my take on it, eon after all are essentially a family run business, to me it seems obvious the passion for Bond is just not there at the moment, we can only summise that DC dithered about returning but I suspect BB and he had conversations that rightfully aren't in the public domain. It also suited eon to have all the discussion and articles about the next bond didn't it? No new film for 4 years but bond has rarely been out of the news even though there was no news.
    It was either that.....or the priesthood
  • HowardBHowardB USAPosts: 2,671MI6 Agent
    Chriscoop wrote:
    Asp9mm wrote:
    It’s not down to Craig that it’s taken so long. EON/B.B. is involved in other projects and Bond isn’t the main interest anymore.
    That would have been my take on it, eon after all are essentially a family run business, to me it seems obvious the passion for Bond is just not there at the moment, we can only summise that DC dithered about returning but I suspect BB and he had conversations that rightfully aren't in the public domain. It also suited eon to have all the discussion and articles about the next bond didn't it? No new film for 4 years but bond has rarely been out of the news even though there was no news.

    IMO, it's not so much that Bond isn't EON's "main interest" anymore, it's that they have broadened and diversified with Barbara even taking on some projects outside of EON. The reality is they need to do this to prepare for when the film rights for Bond expire. The gaps between Bond films have allowed them to do this. I don't know if it really has to do with "passion" for doing Bond but as said previously, EON is a family run business and a small "hands on" operation which I also believe contributes to the gaps. It's not Marvel or Disney with Star Wars. These are huge corporations with a very large infrastructure. Also, one cannot discount the problems that MGM has created over the years with their financial issues and of course legal issues with McClory and Sony.

    Regarding the problem at hand with Bond 25, the Screen Rant article makes some really good points. Just to add my own two cents, my advice to EON is, get a director on board who has talent, passion for Bond and understands how to collaborate and work within EON's structure. Use Hodge's screenplay....don't overthink it, tighten things up, don't be a slave to excesses, just make whatever changes you feel are needed and get cracking.
  • Arbogast 777Arbogast 777 Minneapolis Posts: 595MI6 Agent
    HowardB wrote:
    Also, one cannot discount the problems that MGM has created over the years with their financial issues and of course legal issues with McClory and Sony.

    1000% this
  • zaphod99zaphod99 Posts: 1,415MI6 Agent
    Chriscoop wrote:
    Asp9mm wrote:
    It’s not down to Craig that it’s taken so long. EON/B.B. is involved in other projects and Bond isn’t the main interest anymore.
    That would have been my take on it, eon after all are essentially a family run business, to me it seems obvious the passion for Bond is just not there at the moment, we can only summise that DC dithered about returning but I suspect BB and he had conversations that rightfully aren't in the public domain. It also suited eon to have all the discussion and articles about the next bond didn't it? No new film for 4 years but bond has rarely been out of the news even though there was no news.

    Much as I think Daniel an over promoted character Actor, and an arrogant one at that, I think it's possible that he was very clear about not coming back . I think EON (Babs) just waited him out, let him calm down and tempt him to reconsider. Eventually the strategy paid off and he agreed to do it. No real data, just a feeling.
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  • Red_SnowRed_Snow Posts: 267MI6 Agent
    zaphod99 wrote:
    Chriscoop wrote:
    Asp9mm wrote:
    It’s not down to Craig that it’s taken so long. EON/B.B. is involved in other projects and Bond isn’t the main interest anymore.
    That would have been my take on it, eon after all are essentially a family run business, to me it seems obvious the passion for Bond is just not there at the moment, we can only summise that DC dithered about returning but I suspect BB and he had conversations that rightfully aren't in the public domain. It also suited eon to have all the discussion and articles about the next bond didn't it? No new film for 4 years but bond has rarely been out of the news even though there was no news.

    Much as I think Daniel an over promoted character Actor, and an arrogant one at that, I think it's possible that he was very clear about not coming back . I think EON (Babs) just waited him out, let him calm down and tempt him to reconsider. Eventually the strategy paid off and he agreed to do it. No real data, just a feeling.

    In the article about 'Purity' being delayed, he said 'he had been summoned to do Bond'. Which sounds like he was waiting for them ... he also can't really do much as Bond if they stuffed around for over two years sorting out the distribution deal.
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  • bonded123bonded123 Posts: 291MI6 Agent
    Asp9mm wrote:
    It’s not down to Craig that it’s taken so long. EON/B.B. is involved in other projects and Bond isn’t the main interest anymore.

    Well if B Broccoli was determined to keep Craig for Bond 25 - and Craig says to Barbara "look, I'm tired playing the role, I'll come back but give me two years off" and she says "yes, okay" then he's part of the reason why Bond 25 has dragged on for so long. I'm not saying things turned out like that, perhaps Craig wasn't going to come back and Eon weren't in any rush to recast the role but given what we know about Barbara Broccoli and her gushing admiration for Craig, she may have been happy to delay and delay and delay.

    Also, Craig was semi-contracted to a tv show Purity which might have been a reason for Eon to delay Bond 25 but that show seems to be less likely than Bond 25. :D The show that never was.

    Anyway, back to the present - let's hope a director comes on board and Bond 25 begins filming in December. I'm sure most fans want Bond 25 out next year, not in 2020.
  • zaphod99zaphod99 Posts: 1,415MI6 Agent
    Red_Snow wrote:
    zaphod99 wrote:
    Chriscoop wrote:
    That would have been my take on it, eon after all are essentially a family run business, to me it seems obvious the passion for Bond is just not there at the moment, we can only summise that DC dithered about returning but I suspect BB and he had conversations that rightfully aren't in the public domain. It also suited eon to have all the discussion and articles about the next bond didn't it? No new film for 4 years but bond has rarely been out of the news even though there was no news.

    Much as I think Daniel an over promoted character Actor, and an arrogant one at that, I think it's possible that he was very clear about not coming back . I think EON (Babs) just waited him out, let him calm down and tempt him to reconsider. Eventually the strategy paid off and he agreed to do it. No real data, just a feeling.

    In the article about 'Purity' being delayed, he said 'he had been summoned to do Bond'. Which sounds like he was waiting for them ... he also can't really do much as Bond if they stuffed around for over two years sorting out the distribution deal.

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  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 19,814MI6 Agent
    Baz Bamigoye reports that Boyle left because EON and Craig wanted to bring in a new writer.
  • bonded123bonded123 Posts: 291MI6 Agent
    There’s a lot of pressure on the producers of James Bond 25 to find a filmmaker to take over from Danny Boyle, who quit when Daniel Craig and fellow producers insisted on replacing screenwriter John Hodge.

    If this is true, Craig has power to veto the director and the writer. He could be the one to blame for all this! Ditching the writer and the screenplay three months before shooting begins - nice move, Daniel. :D I'm sure all the crew are gonna love your decision which might put them out of work. 8-)

    No wonder Craig did return! Not just the money but he has creative control over the film. Power has gone to his head. Babs is to blame for giving the guy too much control. The next Bond actor should be hired as an actor, not as a producer.
  • The Domino EffectThe Domino Effect Posts: 3,513MI6 Agent
    There have been a lot of media reports lately on the power of DC and while he no doubt is a highly influential part of the process - assisting with the completion of the QofS screenplay and serving as producer on later films - some of their claims have to be taken with a grain of salt because its seems as though a lot of bloggers and reporters want to hang this entirely on DC. That may be true, however, a number have also claimed that he has had veto power over all co-stars since CR. I find that one hard to believe considering that it was his first Bond film, he wasn't terribly well known, he was young, his box office power as Bond was unknown, and while it makes sense that he'd have input, I can't imagine Babs and Michael would have given him all the power now being attributed to him right from the start. Beware bloggers/reporters bearing inside information.
  • Sir MilesSir Miles The Wrong Side Of The WardrobePosts: 25,591Chief of Staff
    bonded123 wrote:
    There’s a lot of pressure on the producers of James Bond 25 to find a filmmaker to take over from Danny Boyle, who quit when Daniel Craig and fellow producers insisted on replacing screenwriter John Hodge.

    If this is true, Craig has power to veto the director and the writer. He could be the one to blame for all this! Ditching the writer and the screenplay three months before shooting begins - nice move, Daniel. :D I'm sure all the crew are gonna love your decision which might put them out of work. 8-)

    No wonder Craig did return! Not just the money but he has creative control over the film. Power has gone to his head. Babs is to blame for giving the guy too much control. The next Bond actor should be hired as an actor, not as a producer.

    That’s a big IF...glad to see you keep an open mind...I’m glad you aren’t a judge :)) :o
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