Danny Boyle has left Bond25 over 'creative differences'

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  • Sir MilesSir Miles The Wrong Side Of The WardrobePosts: 25,627Chief of Staff
    bonded123 wrote:
    Bond dies?

    How do they do Bond 26? Is the next Bond just pretending to be Bond? ?:)

    The ghost of Bond? :D

    Doesn’t matter...new owners, new actor...and Eon neatly tie up their ownership.
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  • bonded123bonded123 Posts: 291MI6 Agent
    Okay, I'm taking your bait. You're saying Eon is determined to sell up after Bond 25? Sell its share to MGM or another studio? This could result in an American playing Bond.
  • Sir MilesSir Miles The Wrong Side Of The WardrobePosts: 25,627Chief of Staff
    bonded123 wrote:
    Okay, I'm taking your bait. You're saying Eon is determined to sell up after Bond 25? Sell its share to MGM or another studio? This could result in an American playing Bond.

    It’s been mentioned that Eon are interested in selling up - not sure I’d use the word ‘determined’...that’s why it was interesting to find out how long their latest distribution deal was/is...If it’s only a one film deal...
    New owners could do whatever they wanted...but would they want to mess too much...?

    It’s just something I heard over a year ago...
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  • bonded123bonded123 Posts: 291MI6 Agent
    One question for Sir Myles. ;) Do you think this alleged plot idea - Bond dies - will still make it into the film or do you think it's been scrapped?
  • superdaddysuperdaddy englandPosts: 896MI6 Agent
    zaphod99 wrote:
    Chriscoop wrote:
    So, Babs and DC want to kill off Bond and Boyle didn't! This Bond 25 is not shaping up too well so far

    I find that surprising as I thought that was his radical idea . Really starting not to care much one way or another TBH.
    Yep, same!!
  • JarvioJarvio EnglandPosts: 4,232MI6 Agent
    Chriscoop wrote:
    So, Babs and DC want to kill off Bond and Boyle didn't! This Bond 25 is not shaping up too well so far

    I honestly thought it would have been the other way round. Wow. Definitely a bigger reason for a dispute than a russian villain casting argument.
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  • walther p99walther p99 NJPosts: 3,417MI6 Agent
    I think killing off Bond would just seem like a cheap gimmick to me. As if they're competing with Infinity war's shock value or something.
  • Lady RoseLady Rose London,UKPosts: 2,577MI6 Agent
    Sir Miles wrote:
    bonded123 wrote:
    Okay, I'm taking your bait. You're saying Eon is determined to sell up after Bond 25? Sell its share to MGM or another studio? This could result in an American playing Bond.

    It’s been mentioned that Eon are interested in selling up - not sure I’d use the word ‘determined’...that’s why it was interesting to find out how long their latest distribution deal was/is...If it’s only a one film deal...
    New owners could do whatever they wanted...but would they want to mess too much...?

    It’s just something I heard over a year ago...

    It would also make sense how they got DC back on board (other than a shed load of money) if he has so much creative input as recent articles suggest.

    'Come back, we kill off Bond and you've completed the arc '


    I would have put money on it being Boyle who wanted to kill Bond off not the other way round.
  • Sir MilesSir Miles The Wrong Side Of The WardrobePosts: 25,627Chief of Staff
    bonded123 wrote:
    One question for Sir Myles. ;)

    No idea what you mean by this ?:) are you having a dig?
    bonded123 wrote:
    Do you think this alleged plot idea - Bond dies - will still make it into the film or do you think it's been scrapped?

    More likely than not at present...as it wasn’t anything new that Hodge came up with...it was something DC wanted...and, as Lady Rose said, it was the probably the ‘hook’ that finally persuaded DC back - that and a shed load of cash :))
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  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 19,966MI6 Agent
    edited August 2018
    If they do chose to kill Bond it will be the peak (or nadir) of the Craig-era obsession with James Bond "personal arc". Don't they understand people go to cinemas to see Bond on a mission?
  • Gala BrandGala Brand Posts: 1,166MI6 Agent
    If you're going to have Bond die, it's going to have to be something special. This is the guy who has defied death a thousand times, so why does he die this time? And it'll have to be something moving, otherwise, why do it?

    It's not as easy as it sounds.
  • caractacus pottscaractacus potts Orbital communicator, level 10Posts: 3,394MI6 Agent
    bonded123 wrote:
    Bond dies?
    How do they do Bond 26? Is the next Bond just pretending to be Bond? ?:)
    The ghost of Bond? :D
    oh that part is easy: just get baccarat expert Evelyn Tremble to take on the codename for further adventures
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    I think killing off Bond would just seem like a cheap gimmick to me. As if they're competing with Infinity War's shock value or something.
    I shouldn't worry too much about all those characters in Infinity War. In real comic books, the characters never really die, especially not ones who just had a hit movie last summer and are due a sequel.
    The death of a major character in comics is done for shock value, that is true, or rather very cynical but effective marketing. The stunt gains attention from mainstream media and non-fans run to buy the "Death of..." issues assuming they'll be collectors items, while all the old jaded readers are well aware the character will be revived, with equal hype, within the year.
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  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 19,966MI6 Agent
    Of course, with James Bond he won't be revived within year. More like 3-6 years or a couple of MI-movies :)) :#
  • Gala BrandGala Brand Posts: 1,166MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    If they do chose to kill Bond it will be the peak (or nadir) of the Craig-era obsession with "personal arches". Don't they understand people go to cinemas to see Bond on a mission?

    You can have both. In every film, Craig's Bond has had a mission.

    I see that the latest MI film is doing comparatively poorly at the box office. The reason is that Ethan Hunt is a complete cipher without even the thinnest layer of character development. Audiences today want more than seeing basically the same film with the same unchanging character.

    There was an extensive character arc in the Fleming novels. Young spy who gets rejected or betrayed by the women he meets. He's very conflicted--he wants more in his life than just being a hired gun. He meets the love of his life who promptly gets murdered. He falls to pieces.
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 19,966MI6 Agent
    I agree up to a point. Ethan Hunt is a man nearly without a personality. There has been a mission in every Craig Bond movie. But the main story in all of them can be seen as personal:
    CR- Vesper is killed
    QoS - Bond gets his revenge
    SF - M(other) is killed
    SPECTRE - his main enemy is his brother

    I think many will remember those story lines over gambling over terrorist money, getting control of the water supply, hacking the world and digital surveilance of the world.
  • caractacus pottscaractacus potts Orbital communicator, level 10Posts: 3,394MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    I think many will remember those story lines over gambling over terrorist money, getting control of the water supply, hacking the world and digital surveilance of the world.
    yeh that's what I remember most clearly from those films, The villains plots in all those films are rather difficult to explain, and its more like they are just the B-plot while the personal issues are the A-plot in the foreground.
    And those mission based B-plots are undermined by the incoherent storytelling and the absence of traditional Bond story structures like the final showdown in the villains headquarters. Like the mission is just hinted at but never really focussed on aside from the action sequences, then whatever exposition is needed to link the action sequences together is either obscure or not even there.
  • zaphod99zaphod99 Posts: 1,415MI6 Agent
    Gala Brand wrote:
    If you're going to have Bond die, it's going to have to be something special. This is the guy who has defied death a thousand times, so why does he die this time? And it'll have to be something moving, otherwise, why do it?

    It's not as easy as it sounds.

    Far more radical and shocking would be for a casual almost incidental death, a stray bullet or a car accident.
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  • Lady RoseLady Rose London,UKPosts: 2,577MI6 Agent
    zaphod99 wrote:
    Far more radical and shocking would be for a casual almost incidental death, a stray bullet or a car accident.

    We've had threads on that before.

    I've always thought it should be ironic. That he gets hit by a bus or something crossing the road.

    Number24 wrote:
    If they do chose to kill Bond it will be the peak (or nadir) of the Craig-era obsession with James Bond "personal arc". Don't they understand people go to cinemas to see Bond on a mission?


    That seems to be lacking in Bond these days. I still enjoy the movies but there has been a little too much personal stuff.

    Part of Bond's appeal is he is an enigma.
  • ChriscoopChriscoop Belize Posts: 10,449MI6 Agent
    One thing to bare in mind is, eon is a family business, if both babs and Mike g want to retire, what stops them killing off Bond, making a clean break and ending Cubbys legacy.?
    It was either that.....or the priesthood
  • Bond44Bond44 Vauxhall CrossPosts: 1,566MI6 Agent
    I thought about killing off the current Bond. But he could be reborn at any time in the future if James Bond was a cover name and his agent number reassigned. It’s a smart way for DC to leave and a replacement to come in. Babs and Michael could sell the franchise on and leave the rest to the next generation. Kind of clean all round.

    Just my thoughts

    Cheers :007)
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  • ChriscoopChriscoop Belize Posts: 10,449MI6 Agent
    Bond44 wrote:
    I thought about killing off the current Bond. But he could be reborn at any time in the future if James Bond was a cover name and his agent number reassigned. It’s a smart way for DC to leave and a replacement to come in. Babs and Michael could sell the franchise on and leave the rest to the next generation. Kind of clean all round.

    Just my thoughts

    Cheers :007)
    Oh god! The codename theory :s
    It was either that.....or the priesthood
  • Bond44Bond44 Vauxhall CrossPosts: 1,566MI6 Agent
    Chriscoop wrote:
    Bond44 wrote:
    I thought about killing off the current Bond. But he could be reborn at any time in the future if James Bond was a cover name and his agent number reassigned. It’s a smart way for DC to leave and a replacement to come in. Babs and Michael could sell the franchise on and leave the rest to the next generation. Kind of clean all round.

    Just my thoughts

    Cheers :007)
    Oh god! The codename theory :s
    Well let’s face it reality with the franchise is taking over fiction these days :D

    Cheers :007)
    My name is Bond, Basildon Bond - I have letters after my name!
  • shaunshaun Posts: 12MI6 Agent
    In flemmings books JAMES BOND is his real name with a family history to support it not to mention 50 years of films and books, you cant undo all that, its ridiculous, yes 007 pre fix can be re assigned but it would have to be a new character, but in the world we live in if Babs promised DC your Bond will die if you`ll make "bond25" then so it will be and tough on us THE FANS
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 19,966MI6 Agent
    The code name theory is an even worse idea than killing Bond :#
  • caractacus pottscaractacus potts Orbital communicator, level 10Posts: 3,394MI6 Agent
    maybe they can begin Bond26 with FiennesM knocking on Pierce Brosnan's door, requesting him to come out of retirement and save the world one more time.
    Then BrosnanBond complains about this young antisocial bruiser who has stolen his name and ruined his reputation. FiennesM then gets blown up in a dramatic exit for his character, just like Dame Judi got, and BrosnanBond is promoted to be the new M, and has to recruit a new team of double-oh agents and come up with a clever scheme to fool SMERSH as to exactly who the real James Bond is.
  • Bond44Bond44 Vauxhall CrossPosts: 1,566MI6 Agent
    edited August 2018
    Just saying every agent has a cover name and a back story, it’s just James Bond’s was captured in books and films :D

    Let’s face it we are now so far from the stories of Fleming and have been for years if not decades would it really matter. What’s in the past is past a chance to write a new future.

    There is plenty of the character that could be taken into the future (metrosexual male, Naval Commander, a physical agent with tech in support). As for story lines go back to Counter intelligence, Terrorism, Revenge and Extortion themes all perfectly valid today vs 60 years ago.

    Cheers :007)
    My name is Bond, Basildon Bond - I have letters after my name!
  • Sir MilesSir Miles The Wrong Side Of The WardrobePosts: 25,627Chief of Staff
    shaun wrote:
    In flemmings books JAMES BOND is his real name with a family history to support it not to mention 50 years of films and books, you cant undo all that, its ridiculous, yes 007 pre fix can be re assigned but it would have to be a new character, but in the world we live in if Babs promised DC your Bond will die if you`ll make "bond25" then so it will be and tough on us THE FANS

    But it’s already been ‘undone’...several times...each actors Bond has been same/similar but different...
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  • Miles MesservyMiles Messervy Posts: 1,647MI6 Agent
    edited August 2018
    Killing Bond is beyond stupid and I can’t imagine supporting it unless it is so well done as to be beyond objection.

    But Sir Miles is right; every Bond other than Craig was a soft reboot of the character. Do you really believe that Brosnan’s Bond, living in the mid-90s, fought in the Second World War? Or married Tracy in 1969? If you do, your imagination is more lively than mine. No, they are each JAMES BOND, but they are not the same incarnation of James Bond. Re-imaginations of the same mythology, more like it.
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 33,421Chief of Staff
    maybe they can begin Bond26 with FiennesM knocking on Pierce Brosnan's door, requesting him to come out of retirement and save the world one more time.
    Then BrosnanBond complains about this young antisocial bruiser who has stolen his name and ruined his reputation. FiennesM then gets blown up in a dramatic exit for his character, just like Dame Judi got, and BrosnanBond is promoted to be the new M, and has to recruit a new team of double-oh agents and come up with a clever scheme to fool SMERSH as to exactly who the real James Bond is.

    :D Best laugh of the day!
  • Charmed & DangerousCharmed & Dangerous Posts: 7,354MI6 Agent
    All the clues are there... Bond drowns (have you seen the latest Omega campaign?) and is replaced by his brother Ernst who becomes the new 007... they've even introduced the scar on the right cheek... :v
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