Was gun availability and French society to blame for Paris?
Hello Loeffs,
Paris was a terrorist attack. We are not sure for the moment if that's the case with the shooting from yesterday.
Problem is, that you won't see so many non-terrorist background shootings in other countries on such a regular basis - like it happens in the US
As for gun free zones: If entire USA would be a gun-free zone, there would not be so many shootings , just see other countries with strong regulations. Of course some nutters will manage to get access to firearms still but it does not happen so often.
Emphasizing that it happened in a gun free zone sounds a bit weird to me, it's a bit like accusing defenseless victims for a crime that happened to them.
President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
This only occurred to me today watching the RAF Typhoons landing in
Syria. That modern fighter planes are all a dull grey, with only one little
RAF sticker on it.
"I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
This only occurred to me today watching the RAF Typhoons landing in
Syria. That modern fighter planes are all a dull grey, with only one little
RAF sticker on it.
I hope this isn't a distasteful question, but I've been watching a few
WW2 Documentaries on Hitler. In one they mentioned the assassination
attempt. Which apparently was one of many planned but couldn't be carried
Out. Near the end Hitler became more paranoid and stayed in his own private
Bunker complex.
Many have mentioned how Drax from Moonraker seems to be partly based
On Hitler ( in some of his mannerisms ) so I was wondering if Hitler had a
Particular body guard ? As I've never heard anything about it if he did.
"I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
SS-Begleitkommando des Führers ("SS Escort Command of the Führer"), later known as the Führerbegleitkommando (Escort Command of the Führer; FBK) were Hitler's bodyguards. They started out as eight men and ended up with a total of twelve. The last of them died in 2013. Rochus Misch was a veteran of Waffen-SS Leibstandarte Adolf Hitler. This unit was origionally ment as Hitler's version of a royal guard or presidential guard unit, but functioned as an elite armoured division most of the time.
Thanks Number24 -{ , I only got to thinking about it watching the
Documentary on the assassination attempts, that he must have had
a bodyguard or two.
With Fleming obviously using Hitler as a model for Hugo Drax, I
wondered if there was a model for some of the many henchmen, he
used through his many books.
"I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
What I remember about Drax was his background in the Germen unit alle Brandenburgers. It was the German military inteligence (Abwehr) special forces unit. The soldiers had to know foreign languages and cultures , sometimes used disguises. They operated in many countries in Europe, but also countries like Egypt, Syria, Afghanistan and South Africa.
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Was gun availability and French society to blame for Paris?
Hello Loeffs,
Paris was a terrorist attack. We are not sure for the moment if that's the case with the shooting from yesterday.
Keep an eye on developments in this story, and get back to me on that
My only point, re: gun free zones is that they make everyone more vulnerable. California has some of the strictest gun laws in the USA. And the entire city of Chicago, where handguns are illegal, has some of the worst gun crime. Depriving law-abiding citizens of their personal freedom is not the answer.
One of the shooters was an American of Pakistani descent; his wife an immigrant from Saudi Arabia. He worked at this facility for the developmentally disabled. He left the Christmas party...and returned with his wife, both dressed in tactical assault gear, and began the massacre. Their home was a bomb factory. Neighbors have now said that they didn't report suspicious activity for fear of being accused of racism and/or racial profiling...so here, Political Correctness was fatal.
The larger issues are 1) Islamic radicalism, and 2) Immigration without assimilation...and this is a much bigger problem in Europe than it is here (although our president seems determined that we catch up). And need I add that Europe is one massive Gun Free Zone?
We don't need gun control. We need terrorist control.
I will not change any minds, and I'm convinced of my own view, so here we are again. I'll resume my radio silence on this thread now. Best wishes.
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"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
And need I add that Europe is one massive Gun Free Zone?
And thanks for that!
We don't have these firearm attacks on a daily basis and we don't have to fear that the random guy on the street may fire a gun at you the next minute.
Interesting that the opinion on this topic is so much different almost everywhere in the world. Reminds me of the ghost driver telling his passenger " not only one, these are thousands!"
President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Silhouette ManThe last refuge of a scoundrelPosts: 8,693MI6 Agent
edited December 2015
TP, I'd never really considered before that Drax was based on Hitler but I suppose that there could well be something in that. Their aims in decimating London with a super Vengeance weapon were certainly the same. Drax's ADC Willy Krebs was named after the Wehrmacht General Hans Kreb (1898-1945). He ended the war in 1945 as Chief of the Army General Staff (OKH):
"The tough man of the world. The Secret Agent. The man who was only a silhouette." - Ian Fleming, Moonraker (1955).
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As long as all of your radical Islamic immigrants obey your gun laws, everything will be fine.
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"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
Whether they obey such laws or not, it's certainly easier for them to arm themselves in the US than it is in Europe. Providing easy access to firearms is a bit like waving a bottle in front of an alcoholic. If you can't get hold of a drink, it's more difficult to get drunk. If the bar doors are open wide, however...
"How was your lamb?" "Skewered. One sympathises."
Silhouette ManThe last refuge of a scoundrelPosts: 8,693MI6 Agent
Whether they obey such laws or not, it's certainly easier for them to arm themselves in the US than it is in Europe. Providing easy access to firearms is a bit like waving a bottle in front of an alcoholic. If you can't get hold of a drink, it's more difficult to get drunk. If the bar doors are open wide, however...
Well yes, that would be my take on matters as well. Making guns easily available is the problem for the US, but it seems that it does not want to give up this particular constitutional right no matter how many senseless gun massacres there will continue to be. Such is the price of upholding this particular right...nothing will ever change until guns are more sensibly controlled but the social and political will is not there in sufficient force sadly.
"The tough man of the world. The Secret Agent. The man who was only a silhouette." - Ian Fleming, Moonraker (1955).
As long as all of your radical Islamic immigrants obey your gun laws, everything will be fine.
So should we drop laws because a small minority break them?
President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
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Anything further I would say would be imflammatory, and not taken well. I think it's best if I'm the only one aggravated or offended here...so I'm going to depart before that happens as well -{
Cheers, my friend. Sometime soon I might ask you for a favour relating to my current writing project {[]
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"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
We disagree on this topic and I welcome your opposite opinion.
I have no problem that you disagree with me here and you should see it the same way.
If I can help you with my pacifist point of view (not really that), I am happy to help out.
I am also giving free consultation for all things in modern shoe fashion
President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
We disagree on this topic and I welcome your opposite opinion.
I'm not offended yet, but I can see it from here And I'll maintain your welcome attitude toward my opinion by sparing you one or two big ones regarding Europe as a whole
As for my project, I simply need a few specific phrases translated into authentic German---punctuation and special characters included. I'll be in touch -{
Check out my Amazon author page!Mark Loeffelholz
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
To me it's clear the US pays a very heavy prize for their liberal gun laws. Each year they lose a lot of people to accidents, murders and massacres, much more than they have lost to terrorism at home. Do the European gun laws make it easier for terrorists? I've been thinking about this a lot since the Utøya attacks. Would the terrorist have been stopped sooner if something like tha that happened in the US? Possibly, but I believe it was mainly down to a police force with the wrong mentality. They saw readiness for terrorism mainly as having plans in folders just as the rules said they had to, because real terrorist attacks never happens here
I still want our strict gun laws. I'd rather run the risk of another terrorist running lose in a gun free envirorment than my country suffering hundreds of non-terrorist deaths by gun every year.
To me it's clear the US pays a very heavy price for their liberal gun laws.
Excuse me sir, we have CONSERVATIVE gun laws. Conservatives want guns here, Liberals want a European model of this control.
I know, we're nuts here. ;%
Liberal: of, pertaining to, based on, or advocating liberalism, especially the freedom of the individual and governmental guarantees of individual rights and liberties.
I know many Americans think of people who drink latte, drive Volvo, vote Democrat and spend their holidays in Europe when they hear the word 'liberal', but I think I used the correct terms.
On the Russell Howard show, he showed an advert from Norway, to teach
people about STD's. Which was a bloke dressed as a Penis. Sneaking up
on people and spraying them with glitter ) very funny.
"I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
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Hello Loeffs,
Paris was a terrorist attack. We are not sure for the moment if that's the case with the shooting from yesterday.
Problem is, that you won't see so many non-terrorist background shootings in other countries on such a regular basis - like it happens in the US
As for gun free zones: If entire USA would be a gun-free zone, there would not be so many shootings , just see other countries with strong regulations. Of course some nutters will manage to get access to firearms still but it does not happen so often.
Emphasizing that it happened in a gun free zone sounds a bit weird to me, it's a bit like accusing defenseless victims for a crime that happened to them.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Syria. That modern fighter planes are all a dull grey, with only one little
RAF sticker on it.
One just flew past my house (Seriously)
I hear she has bought you a SPECTRE but plug!
WW2 Documentaries on Hitler. In one they mentioned the assassination
attempt. Which apparently was one of many planned but couldn't be carried
Out. Near the end Hitler became more paranoid and stayed in his own private
Bunker complex.
Many have mentioned how Drax from Moonraker seems to be partly based
On Hitler ( in some of his mannerisms ) so I was wondering if Hitler had a
Particular body guard ? As I've never heard anything about it if he did.
Documentary on the assassination attempts, that he must have had
a bodyguard or two.
With Fleming obviously using Hitler as a model for Hugo Drax, I
wondered if there was a model for some of the many henchmen, he
used through his many books.
Keep an eye on developments in this story, and get back to me on that
My only point, re: gun free zones is that they make everyone more vulnerable. California has some of the strictest gun laws in the USA. And the entire city of Chicago, where handguns are illegal, has some of the worst gun crime. Depriving law-abiding citizens of their personal freedom is not the answer.
One of the shooters was an American of Pakistani descent; his wife an immigrant from Saudi Arabia. He worked at this facility for the developmentally disabled. He left the Christmas party...and returned with his wife, both dressed in tactical assault gear, and began the massacre. Their home was a bomb factory. Neighbors have now said that they didn't report suspicious activity for fear of being accused of racism and/or racial profiling...so here, Political Correctness was fatal.
The larger issues are 1) Islamic radicalism, and 2) Immigration without assimilation...and this is a much bigger problem in Europe than it is here (although our president seems determined that we catch up). And need I add that Europe is one massive Gun Free Zone?
We don't need gun control. We need terrorist control.
I will not change any minds, and I'm convinced of my own view, so here we are again. I'll resume my radio silence on this thread now. Best wishes.
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
And how many have been killed by civil gunshot?
Terrorists are certainly a threat but it seems that the focus is there and the authorities do their best.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
And thanks for that!
We don't have these firearm attacks on a daily basis and we don't have to fear that the random guy on the street may fire a gun at you the next minute.
Some food for thought:
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/oct/02/mass-shootings-america-gun-violence
Interesting that the opinion on this topic is so much different almost everywhere in the world. Reminds me of the ghost driver telling his passenger " not only one, these are thousands!"
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Krebs_(Wehrmacht_general)
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
Well yes, that would be my take on matters as well. Making guns easily available is the problem for the US, but it seems that it does not want to give up this particular constitutional right no matter how many senseless gun massacres there will continue to be. Such is the price of upholding this particular right...nothing will ever change until guns are more sensibly controlled but the social and political will is not there in sufficient force sadly.
So should we drop laws because a small minority break them?
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Cheers, my friend. Sometime soon I might ask you for a favour relating to my current writing project {[]
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
We disagree on this topic and I welcome your opposite opinion.
I have no problem that you disagree with me here and you should see it the same way.
If I can help you with my pacifist point of view (not really that), I am happy to help out.
I am also giving free consultation for all things in modern shoe fashion
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Massive Wobbler !, ....... I do it all the time.
I'm not offended yet, but I can see it from here
As for my project, I simply need a few specific phrases translated into authentic German---punctuation and special characters included. I'll be in touch -{
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
I still want our strict gun laws. I'd rather run the risk of another terrorist running lose in a gun free envirorment than my country suffering hundreds of non-terrorist deaths by gun every year.
I know, we're nuts here. ;%
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Liberal: of, pertaining to, based on, or advocating liberalism, especially the freedom of the individual and governmental guarantees of individual rights and liberties.
I know many Americans think of people who drink latte, drive Volvo, vote Democrat and spend their holidays in Europe when they hear the word 'liberal', but I think I used the correct terms.
people about STD's. Which was a bloke dressed as a Penis. Sneaking up
on people and spraying them with glitter